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Elizabeth French was the daughter of Daniel French of Rose Hill. She wed Benjamin Tasker Dulaney 10 February 1773. There are many entries in Washington's Diaries pertaining to this French family. Washington had an obsession with some land Elizabeth's father had acquired that was part of the original Spencer-Washington patent. He wanted to own all of the land once part of this 5000 Acer patent. There is also an exchange regarding some pork that Washington bought from him that is amusing. Elizabeth (French) Dulaney loaned Washington her horse Blueskin the white mount he is often pictured riding. The family has a letter Washington wrote when he returned the mount to her. This is part of the Hugh French linage through his son Daniel who wed as his first wife, a Peyton most likely a sister of John Peyton. I am currently working on her biography for my book that I have been working on for more than ten years now. I have before me as I write this the account of Elizabeth's father's estate. This was submitted to the court by his executor, George Mason who was author of the Virginia Bill of Rights from which our Bill of Rights were patterned. Margaret Amundson

In a message dated 8/23/04 9:55:57 PM, [email protected] writes: << Joseph, William, Simon & Lafford French 1797-1801 "The widow and her children removed to Warren County, East Tennessee, in 1795. . . ." quoted from Missouri Pioneer Families History; Bryan, Wm. S. and Robert Rose; St. Louis: Bryan, Brand, 1876. >> ___________ J. Assuming that William's widow moved to Warren Co., East Tennessee in 1795 means that William died about 1795. 1795 therefore become critical in determining what became of William. Was he in SC or TN/KY? From where did the widow move, SC or KY/TN? Your cite that William and Simon were in SC in 1790 and not in 1800 means that they removed to KY after 1790. Simon is cited in KY as early as 1797. You state that <<Three of the identified daughters of William FRENCH of SC have marriages recorded in Warren County, Kentucky -- Hannah marries William Cox in 1797; Polly marries Isaac Clark in 1800 and Sally marries Joseph Elledge in Jul 1801. This information comes from a transcription of the Warren County, Kentucky Marriage records.>> I would Infer that these daughters were with at least with their mother in Warren Co., KY until 1801. What I'm suggesting is that the 1795 move to Warren Co., East, TN was actually to Warren Co., KY. Since Warren Co., TN wasn't established until 1807 the cite must be in error. It would make more sense that the widow FRENCH traveled with Simon's family when they went to KY from SC. The further issue is what became of William FRENCH. I will call him William (I) for identification because of the several Williams involved. What we know by records is that there was William (I) in SC in 1790. He and Simon, his brother, sold SC property in 1795. William French, John Denton, Whitefield Elledge, and Joseph Elledge were on 1797 Warren Co., KY Tax List. This William could be William (I) or William (II), another. Given the report that William (I) died by 1795 (Bryan and Rose cite) it would seem that the William in Warren Co., KY in 1797 was a different William or William (I) did not die in SC before 1795. But how could there be a widow FRENCH in 1795 and William (I) be alive in 1797? A possible explanation is that the William (I) FRENCH family came to Warren Co., KY in 1795 and it wasn't until William (I)'s death in 1808 that the widow moved to Warren Co., TN with her son, Hugh, who is cited in Warren Co., TN in 1812. Given the number of inconsistencies with the Bryan and Ross cite, I think the authors confused Warren Co., KY and Warren Co., TN or merged the info associated with each. Looking forward to you next edition. Best regards, Hugh

Joseph, William, Simon & Lafford French 1797-1801 "The widow and her children removed to Warren County, East Tennessee, in 1795. . . ." quoted from Missouri Pioneer Families History; Bryan, Wm. S. and Robert Rose; St. Louis: Bryan, Brand, 1876. The identified sons of William FRENCH of SC -- Hugh and John -- probably died before 1850. Their identified wives are listed as head of households in 1850 census, Missouri, along with children who were named in the above document. After an analysis of census records 1830, 1840, 1850, I estimate Hugh was born between 1780 - 1790. Thus he would not be the "over 16 male" shown in the older William FRENCH of SC 1790 Census. The younger William French shown there in 1800 is probably the son of the older William FRENCH of SC. Based on birth location of Hugh's children given in the 1850 Missouri census, the Hugh FRENCH family were in Tennessee during the period 1819-1825 and moved from TN to MO in the period 1825-1827. Not all of their children have been located in the 1850 census at this time and it is possible the missing children, probably the older children, were also born in TN and thus a possibility that Hugh FRENCH & wife Sally (Sarah)FRENCH, were in Tennessee shortly after their marriage in Christian County, Kentucky in 1814. Records are needed between 1814 and 1825 to document the location of Hugh French and family. Census records 1830, 1840, 1850, --John's potential birth year ranged from 1790 to 1800 one census year and 1800 to 1810 another census year]. Since he appears to have married for the first time after his move to Missouri abt 1820, I believe he was born about 1800 but no further proof of this has been found. [JF NOTE: search death records, court records and military records in Missouri between 1840 and 1850. At least one minor child shown in 1850 census. Birth dates of the older William French's children will help determine when the older William FRENCH was living.] Three of the identified daughters of William FRENCH of SC have marriages recorded in Warren County, Kentucky -- Hannah marries William Cox in 1797; Polly marries Isaac Clark in 1800 and Sally marries Joseph Elledge in Jul 1801. This information comes from a transcription of the Warren County, Kentucky Marriage records. Conclusion: At least some of the older William FRENCH of SC family are living in Warren County, Kentucky as early as 1797 and probably remained there at least through July 1801. Conclusion: Widow FRENCH shown in 1800 SC census living next to Lafford does not appear to be the widow of William FRENCH of SC. Conclusion: Hannah's husband may not be called 'Samuel' since the marriage record identifies him as 'William Cox' A search of the Warren County, Kentucky, Deed Books show no entries in this time period for a William French. The following from transcriptions of Warren County, Kentucky Deed Books: A Joseph French survey of 200 acres is referenced in a land transaction in 1808 -- conclude a Joseph FRENCH was living in Warren County, KY before 1808. A land transaction in 1821 documents that this 200 acres was first patented in 1811 by the then owner, Payne, and shows this early Joseph FRENCH assigned the land to Hudspeth who in turn assigned it to Payne who is the owner selling tracts of land in 1821. [Payne sold this 200 acres along with 400 additional acres for $3000.00] Conclusion: Joseph FRENCH did not patent the 200 Acres he had surveyed and may have left the area. The Joseph FRENCH survey referenced in 1808 does not mean Joseph FRENCH was living on the KY land in 1808. [JF NOTE: Future research--see if this Joseph FRENCH connects to the Joseph FRENCH family in Illinois by 1815 & appearing on 1820 Census in Illinois. Note that the identified Joseph FRENCH in Illinois is too old to be Joseph, son of Lafford FRENCH of R. War. A Lafford French marries a Matthew's girl in IL in 1815.] THE FRENCH BROTHERS The beginning of the story of the South Carolina Revolutionary War FRENCH's by J French The French brothers--William, Joseph, Lafford, Simon, --lived in South Carolina and fought in the Revolutionary War. (ref Lafford's pension records and a documented audit of Simon, William and Joseph's revolutionary war records in South Carolina) Lafford FRENCH remained in Spartanburg, South Carolina until a few years before his death when he removed to Rutherford, North Carolina in the area that later became Polk County, North Carolina. (ref pension records & census data) 1795-1796--Some time after the 1790 census, probably 1795-1796, based on reported dates of South Carolina land transactions, William, Joseph and Simon FRENCH families, and no doubt several neighboring families, left South Carolina heading westward in search of new land and opportunities. They probably headed north to the Cumberland Gap, then followed the Wilderness road to just past Crab Orchard where some turned onto the Cumberland Trace rather than continuing on to Louisville. This group traveled WSW through Kentucky, stopping in Kentucky just before reaching what is today the boundary with Tennessee in the general area of Christian County Kentucky, which borders Montgomery County, Tennessee. (ref documented migration routes and state/county maps of that period). 1797--William and Joseph FRENCH lived, for a period of time, just east of todays Christian County Kentucky. William FRENCH and Joseph FRENCH are found in Warren County, Kentucky, in the 1797 Tax List, along with other families who intermarried with the William French children. Warren County Kentucky was established late in 1796 and was created from a portion of Logan County. 1799--Simon FRENCH settled in Christian Co. Kentucky and is 1st shown in land grant records of that state beginning in 1799. In the 1810 & 1820 US Census Simon is shown in Hopkinsville, Christian County, Kentucky. In 1830 Census he is shown age 60-70 with probable wife 50-60. He reportedly died 26 Feb 1831, in Christian Co. Kentucky, with his will recorded in that county's Records. The Simon FRENCH House, located on Carter Rd., South of Barkers Mill - Hensleytown, was declared an Historical Site. Registration Photo dated April 30, 1979. To Be Continued

Is your grandmother from the Galway tribe? In the city of Galway itself, I saw a gravestone for Peter French in a church yard. When you're in the old section, be sure to look high on the buildings outside (2nd or 3rd floor) and on a couple of them you'll see the ffrench coat of arms stuccoed in the wall. I know you'll have a good time. I'm telling you this by memory because I don't have those paper in order that tell about it. I do remember that the street on which I saw the coat of arms was a wide and busy straight street. I could easily step back and take a photo. Mara PS I just searched on my computer for Galway trip notes. Apparently I had taken my laptop with me in 1997 and have more for you in detail. Wednesday, Jul 30, 1997 When I got into Galway, the town was very quiet even though the horses races were being held all week -- one of the busiest times in Galway. I guess they partied all night long or the strong rains and winds kept them away. These winds were so strong that I lost my umbrella. It turned inside out and the supporting frame crumbed. I bought a new one for 14 pounds ($20) and this should last -- but probably it'll stop raining. No, I made good use of it. I first wanted to see all the ffrench sites in Galway, and I did. These are: 1. French coat of arms (dolphin) carved in stone on the upper floor of the Mechanics Institute on the top of Middle St. by Abbeygate Lane. The imbossed stone was really clear -- this was almost my favorite treasure from the ffrenches in Galway. 2. Further down on Middle St. across from the church just beyond Buttermilk Lane is the lintel chimney piece used on window lintel, other fragments, and the fireplace fragment with Ffrench arms dated 1590 (inserted upsidedown). All the stoneword is reused from the 16th and 17th century. This stonework was hard to see and I'm still not sure if I was looking at the right thing. 3. 1612 brass fireplace with 3 family arms - Martin-ffrench-Bodkin - impaled on High St. between Main Guard St. and Cross St. at the King's Pub just as you walk into the first room. This is really in excellent shape, about 8' long and very impressive. 4. Franciscan Abbey relief and tombstone. I was really not supposed to go into the courtyard behind the abbey, but one of the sisters let me in. You can see the courtyard through the large locked gates on Newtownsmyth, but you enter the abbey from Franciscan St. Be prepared to see many people praying very intently. The relief was almost directly behind a small portable building used in the constructions site for another area of the courtyard. This was only temporary, but it didn't have to be there when I was there. 5. Place where Sir Peter and Sir Oliver ffrench had their mansions on North Street, now Market Street near Abbeygate St. Upper, now occupied by the Connaught Tribune in a new building of course. In the backyard, closed to the public, are apparently parts from the original old wall of the ffrench mansions along with some carvings. on 8/23/04 11:05 AM, Jim Dickinson at [email protected] wrote: > Mara Thank you for the information. Yes I'm going to > Ireland in Sept. & my Grandmother is a FRENCH so I > want to see all the French Castles and get all the > information I can. > > Thank you > Lillian > --- Mara French <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Lillian, I've been to both and had tours of them. >> All the stables, coach houses, dairy, and part of >> the >> tower are still standing in Monivea. The rest of the >> tower has been repaired. Probably the most >> fascinating >> in Monivea is the mausoleum where Robert French is >> buried in the crypt. The grounds are not open to the >> public, but the people in the gatehouse have all the >> keys. Their name is Moyles, and it would take a good >> 2-3 hours to show you around. >> >> Castleffrench is very difficult to find. There are >> no >> signs posted -- it is a private residence now, but >> in >> very good shape. It's a rectangular 3-story stone >> building and perhaps not as interesting as Monivea. >> When I went there, the owner was walking at the >> bottom >> of the hill and he showed me thru it. At that time, >> he >> had it up for sale. He was not a French. The last >> Frenches >> who lived there are probably in their 40's and live >> in >> another castle about 3 miles away. They have horses >> and >> they wanted to move to a castle on flat land. >> Unfortunately, >> the day before Lord Roebuck ffrench and his wife >> moved in, >> the castle burnt to the ground. The floors and roof >> are gone, >> but the stone outside stands. Their family lives in >> the >> servant's quarters right next to the castle. They >> are >> mentioned in the red Heritage books in the library. >> This >> particular castle is on the eastern edge of Galway >> county >> near Ballinisloe. Are you going there? Mara >> >> on 8/21/04 7:49 AM, Jim Dickinson at >> [email protected] wrote: >> >>> I would appreciate any help anyone could give me >> about >>> the Castles the FRENCH owned in Galway County. >>> Does anyone on this list know if the Castle the >> FRENCH >>> owned in Monivea is still standing? Also I >> understand >>> the FRENCH owned a Castle French and I would like >> to >>> know where it is and if it is still standing. >>> >>> Thank you >>> Lillian >>> >> >> >

It is reported that there is a Betsy FRENCH with family, a neighbor of Lafford FRENCH, in Spartanburg, SC in USC 1800. Is she a widow and, if so, whose widow is she? One account states that William FRENCH, Lafford's brother, died in SC just before he was to go to KY. William's brother, Simon and family, did go to KY between 1790 and 1800. This account says William's widow moved to Warren Co., TN. Another account states William went to KY and then to TN, dying in Wilson Co., TN in 1808. Warren Co., TN was established in 1807 of White Co., TN (1806), of Smitn (1799), Jackson (1801) and Overton (1806) The only FRENCH listed (tax list) in Warren Co., TN in 1812 is Hugh FRENCH, presumed to be William's oldest son. John DENTON was Hugh's next door neighbor. John DENTON was married to Hugh's sister, Jane FRENCH, both children of William FRENCH. Simon FRENCH remained and died in Christian Co., KY. His daughter, Sarah/Sally, married Hugh FRENCH, above, in 1814 in KY. Hugh and Sarah/Sally were in MO by 1820. If William died in SC it is likely that Betsy was his widow in 1800 in SC. If he died in 1808 in TN, it is not likely that Betsy in SC 1800 was William's widow. We need more info to make a determination. Best regards, Hugh

Judith Thank you for the websites. Lillian --- "Judith J. French" <[email protected]> wrote: > > http://homepage.tinet.ie/~rookery/castle5.html > > > http://homepage.tinet.ie/~rookery/ > > > http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~quibellg/Galwaybooks.htm > > > http://www.gaeltacht.info/monivea_de.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Dickinson [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 10:49 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [FRENCH-L] French Castle > > I would appreciate any help anyone could give me > about > the Castles the FRENCH owned in Galway County. > Does anyone on this list know if the Castle the > FRENCH > owned in Monivea is still standing? Also I > understand > the FRENCH owned a Castle French and I would like to > know where it is and if it is still standing. > > Thank you > Lillian > >

Mara Thank you for the information. Yes I'm going to Ireland in Sept. & my Grandmother is a FRENCH so I want to see all the French Castles and get all the information I can. Thank you Lillian --- Mara French <[email protected]> wrote: > Lillian, I've been to both and had tours of them. > All the stables, coach houses, dairy, and part of > the > tower are still standing in Monivea. The rest of the > tower has been repaired. Probably the most > fascinating > in Monivea is the mausoleum where Robert French is > buried in the crypt. The grounds are not open to the > public, but the people in the gatehouse have all the > keys. Their name is Moyles, and it would take a good > 2-3 hours to show you around. > > Castleffrench is very difficult to find. There are > no > signs posted -- it is a private residence now, but > in > very good shape. It's a rectangular 3-story stone > building and perhaps not as interesting as Monivea. > When I went there, the owner was walking at the > bottom > of the hill and he showed me thru it. At that time, > he > had it up for sale. He was not a French. The last > Frenches > who lived there are probably in their 40's and live > in > another castle about 3 miles away. They have horses > and > they wanted to move to a castle on flat land. > Unfortunately, > the day before Lord Roebuck ffrench and his wife > moved in, > the castle burnt to the ground. The floors and roof > are gone, > but the stone outside stands. Their family lives in > the > servant's quarters right next to the castle. They > are > mentioned in the red Heritage books in the library. > This > particular castle is on the eastern edge of Galway > county > near Ballinisloe. Are you going there? Mara > > on 8/21/04 7:49 AM, Jim Dickinson at > [email protected] wrote: > > > I would appreciate any help anyone could give me > about > > the Castles the FRENCH owned in Galway County. > > Does anyone on this list know if the Castle the > FRENCH > > owned in Monivea is still standing? Also I > understand > > the FRENCH owned a Castle French and I would like > to > > know where it is and if it is still standing. > > > > Thank you > > Lillian > > > >

Found interesting information while reading the diaries of George Washington regarding his neighbor, Penelope Manley French and also, a house guest he had by the name of Benjamine Delaney that was traveling to be married to an Elizabeth French whose parents lived at Rose Hill near Mt. Vernon. They were married February 10, 1773. This is in the American Memory web site which is provided by the Library of Congress. Diaries of George Washington, Vol. III. page 160 or image 173. Thought some of you might like to have a look. http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/gwhtml/gwseries.html Beverly French-Harms

Do we have the family line of the French family to the colonies? My French family is likely Irish. My great-great grandfather was Barney Ballard French. According to census records he was born in NY in the 1820s. The French family Bible has his father as Abraham French, which is not very Irish. Steade Craigo

Was it actually a fortified castle? I visited a Georgian House in Northern Ireland, on the East coast, that was burnt at some time. The family was living in the very large and rather grand stables to the back of the House. Steade

Yes, it is a fortified castle, but not the one you're talking about. It's not on the coast, but in the center of Ireland, about 3 miles from Castleffrench. Only the wooden parts burned, such as the upper floors and the roof. Luckily they had not moved their furniture in yet and the castle was empty. Mara on 8/21/04 7:48 PM, [email protected] at [email protected] wrote: > Was it actually a fortified castle? I visited a Georgian House in Northern > Ireland, on the East coast, that was burnt at some time. The family was > living > in the very large and rather grand stables to the back of the House. > > Steade >

If anyone is interested in staying at a ffrench home right in Galway along the coast, let me know. The honorable John ffrench (uncle to Lord Roebuck ffrench of Castleffrench) and his wife Primm own a house there and live part-time there and part-time in Stockbridge, MA. He has an art studio in Stockbridge named the Dolphin Studio -- the dolphin is on the ffrench crest, and the popular ffrench crest or coat of arms that we see in general is from the Galway family. Mara Other site: http://www.stayinireland.com/west/galway/b_n_b/castle_ffrench.html on 8/21/04 5:23 AM, Judith J. French at [email protected] wrote: > > http://homepage.tinet.ie/~rookery/castle5.html > > > http://homepage.tinet.ie/~rookery/ > > > http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~quibellg/Galwaybooks.htm > > > http://www.gaeltacht.info/monivea_de.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Dickinson [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 10:49 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [FRENCH-L] French Castle > > I would appreciate any help anyone could give me about > the Castles the FRENCH owned in Galway County. > Does anyone on this list know if the Castle the FRENCH > owned in Monivea is still standing? Also I understand > the FRENCH owned a Castle French and I would like to > know where it is and if it is still standing. > > Thank you > Lillian >

That's a good photo of Castleffrench. I have one dated about 1930. Be sure to see the huge post that held up the old ffrench family wall. I hope it is still there. The ivy was beginning to ruin it. Mara on 8/21/04 8:42 AM, Bob F at [email protected] wrote: > I should of added the castle in my note is one of several castles built > with ffrench name in the galaway area. Not sure if any others still > stand. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob F [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 11:39 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [FRENCH-L] French Castle > > > Some added information to Lillians note. Looks like you can still book > rooms at the castle. The web site is > http://www.tourismresources.ie/cht/ffrench1.html > > There is lots of information on the web etc. Its under 'ffrench' ; lots > of info in goggle etc. Its one of the spellings the Irish french's used > during some rough times in Ireland. I do not believe its owned by the > French family anymore. > > The Athy Family has done quite a lot of research on this branch of the > French family. Some chance I have a tie but no solid proof yet. Why your > interest? > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barbara G [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 11:13 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] French Castle > > > Lillian- There's a lot of stuff on the castle in Ireland back in Jan if > you go back & look on the list. www.castleffrench.com/ > http://groups.msn.com/TheAthyFamilyofGalway/theffrenchfamily.msnw > Check out the rootsweb French List Jan 2004 stuff. Barbara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Dickinson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 9:49 AM > Subject: [FRENCH-L] French Castle > > >> I would appreciate any help anyone could give me about >> the Castles the FRENCH owned in Galway County. >> Does anyone on this list know if the Castle the FRENCH >> owned in Monivea is still standing? Also I understand >> the FRENCH owned a Castle French and I would like to >> know where it is and if it is still standing. >> >> Thank you >> Lillian >> >> > > > > >

I should of added the castle in my note is one of several castles built with ffrench name in the galaway area. Not sure if any others still stand. -----Original Message----- From: Bob F [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 11:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [FRENCH-L] French Castle Some added information to Lillians note. Looks like you can still book rooms at the castle. The web site is http://www.tourismresources.ie/cht/ffrench1.html There is lots of information on the web etc. Its under 'ffrench' ; lots of info in goggle etc. Its one of the spellings the Irish french's used during some rough times in Ireland. I do not believe its owned by the French family anymore. The Athy Family has done quite a lot of research on this branch of the French family. Some chance I have a tie but no solid proof yet. Why your interest? Bob -----Original Message----- From: Barbara G [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 11:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] French Castle Lillian- There's a lot of stuff on the castle in Ireland back in Jan if you go back & look on the list. www.castleffrench.com/ http://groups.msn.com/TheAthyFamilyofGalway/theffrenchfamily.msnw Check out the rootsweb French List Jan 2004 stuff. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Dickinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 9:49 AM Subject: [FRENCH-L] French Castle > I would appreciate any help anyone could give me about > the Castles the FRENCH owned in Galway County. > Does anyone on this list know if the Castle the FRENCH > owned in Monivea is still standing? Also I understand > the FRENCH owned a Castle French and I would like to > know where it is and if it is still standing. > > Thank you > Lillian > >

Some added information to Lillians note. Looks like you can still book rooms at the castle. The web site is http://www.tourismresources.ie/cht/ffrench1.html There is lots of information on the web etc. Its under 'ffrench' ; lots of info in goggle etc. Its one of the spellings the Irish french's used during some rough times in Ireland. I do not believe its owned by the French family anymore. The Athy Family has done quite a lot of research on this branch of the French family. Some chance I have a tie but no solid proof yet. Why your interest? Bob -----Original Message----- From: Barbara G [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 11:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] French Castle Lillian- There's a lot of stuff on the castle in Ireland back in Jan if you go back & look on the list. www.castleffrench.com/ http://groups.msn.com/TheAthyFamilyofGalway/theffrenchfamily.msnw Check out the rootsweb French List Jan 2004 stuff. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Dickinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 9:49 AM Subject: [FRENCH-L] French Castle > I would appreciate any help anyone could give me about > the Castles the FRENCH owned in Galway County. > Does anyone on this list know if the Castle the FRENCH > owned in Monivea is still standing? Also I understand > the FRENCH owned a Castle French and I would like to > know where it is and if it is still standing. > > Thank you > Lillian > >

Lillian, I've been to both and had tours of them. All the stables, coach houses, dairy, and part of the tower are still standing in Monivea. The rest of the tower has been repaired. Probably the most fascinating in Monivea is the mausoleum where Robert French is buried in the crypt. The grounds are not open to the public, but the people in the gatehouse have all the keys. Their name is Moyles, and it would take a good 2-3 hours to show you around. Castleffrench is very difficult to find. There are no signs posted -- it is a private residence now, but in very good shape. It's a rectangular 3-story stone building and perhaps not as interesting as Monivea. When I went there, the owner was walking at the bottom of the hill and he showed me thru it. At that time, he had it up for sale. He was not a French. The last Frenches who lived there are probably in their 40's and live in another castle about 3 miles away. They have horses and they wanted to move to a castle on flat land. Unfortunately, the day before Lord Roebuck ffrench and his wife moved in, the castle burnt to the ground. The floors and roof are gone, but the stone outside stands. Their family lives in the servant's quarters right next to the castle. They are mentioned in the red Heritage books in the library. This particular castle is on the eastern edge of Galway county near Ballinisloe. Are you going there? Mara on 8/21/04 7:49 AM, Jim Dickinson at [email protected] wrote: > I would appreciate any help anyone could give me about > the Castles the FRENCH owned in Galway County. > Does anyone on this list know if the Castle the FRENCH > owned in Monivea is still standing? Also I understand > the FRENCH owned a Castle French and I would like to > know where it is and if it is still standing. > > Thank you > Lillian >

Lillian- There's a lot of stuff on the castle in Ireland back in Jan if you go back & look on the list. www.castleffrench.com/ http://groups.msn.com/TheAthyFamilyofGalway/theffrenchfamily.msnw Check out the rootsweb French List Jan 2004 stuff. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Dickinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 9:49 AM Subject: [FRENCH-L] French Castle > I would appreciate any help anyone could give me about > the Castles the FRENCH owned in Galway County. > Does anyone on this list know if the Castle the FRENCH > owned in Monivea is still standing? Also I understand > the FRENCH owned a Castle French and I would like to > know where it is and if it is still standing. > > Thank you > Lillian > >

http://homepage.tinet.ie/~rookery/castle5.html http://homepage.tinet.ie/~rookery/ http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~quibellg/Galwaybooks.htm http://www.gaeltacht.info/monivea_de.html -----Original Message----- From: Jim Dickinson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 10:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [FRENCH-L] French Castle I would appreciate any help anyone could give me about the Castles the FRENCH owned in Galway County. Does anyone on this list know if the Castle the FRENCH owned in Monivea is still standing? Also I understand the FRENCH owned a Castle French and I would like to know where it is and if it is still standing. Thank you Lillian

I would appreciate any help anyone could give me about the Castles the FRENCH owned in Galway County. Does anyone on this list know if the Castle the FRENCH owned in Monivea is still standing? Also I understand the FRENCH owned a Castle French and I would like to know where it is and if it is still standing. Thank you Lillian