The IGI (International Genealogical Index) can be found on-line at the Morman (Latter Day Saints) Family Search.org website. A while back there was a short discussion about whether something found in the IGI index could be in error. I have noticed that some of our FRENCH researchers regard an IGI entry as a primary source, apparently believing anything found in the IGI index can be regarded as an acceptable "source" requiring no additional research before adding it to their family tree. Although the IGI is a very useful tool for the genealogist, it is an index only and should not be considered a source which "proves" an entry on one's family tree. The IGI includes Private Patron submissions (Individual's family tree information) and extracts from the films of Parish Registers and Bishop's Transcripts. Quoting from TAMESIDE LOCAL AND FAMILY HISTORY "Those entries from private patron submissions are to be viewed with extreme caution. The rules governing proof of ancestry for church members are not as rigorous as those required by family historians, and were indeed interpreted with a considerable degree of licence, especially in the early days. Be especially careful with entries that say 'Relative' or 'About'. In the past church members went about collecting as many entries of the same surname in an area as possible, without proving any relationship between them. Also having found a marriage of their ancestors in a certain place they could assume that he/she had been baptised in the same area about 25 years previously, again without any real proof at all."

Thanks so much for your reply, Julia, and your efforts to help. I will certainly appreciate any information you can mail me that might help us learn more about my G2Grandparents Mary W. (Brown) and Joseph P. French. My snailmail address is 1415 Berkshire Dr., Austin, TX 78723 Ralph Banks, Austin, TX In a message dated 9/11/04 9:58:06 AM, [email protected] writes: << Sorry, Ralph, but Joseph P. isn't mentioned. You know from the DNA testing that your line isn't related to Lafford's line. But I may have some information for you about your French family. I have a wonderful cousin, Jenny LaMore, who helped me with the French research when I, first, started. She is very thorough and has a list of all Frenches in Early America. She sent me a will from NC that looks like it could be your line. I hate to tantalize you this way, but I will have to find the information. She send it some time ago and I can lose papers in my genealogy room is a few minutes. Julia In a message dated 9/11/2004 9:50:41 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hello Julia----- Is my G2Grandfather Joseph P. French (1812-1879) mentioned in this material? He was born in Edgefield Co, SC and lived most of his life in and around Pike and Barbour Cos, AL. He was a farmer, merchant, county elected official and lay Baptist minister. Your help will be most appreciated. Ralph Banks, Austin, TX

Dear Bill, Hoping my message went through! Jenny LaMore ----- Original Message ----- From: "WC French" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] Mary French > Will anyone with Ms Jenny Lamore's contact information please provide > that? > Thanks > > Bill French > 908 Town & Country Blvd. Ste 230 > Houston, Texas 77024 > 713-365-9009 > fax 713-365-0005 > [email protected] > > Bill French> AW French > AH French > Mansfield Joshua French > Rev > Mansfield > French > Joshua French > Samuel French > Samuel French > Samuel French, > the > Joiner > Samuel French > Rev Jeremiah French > Thomas French > Robert > French > Thomas French > William French > William French (1450-1520) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judith J. French" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 9:13 AM > Subject: [FRENCH-L] Mary French > > >> >> Groom: William Moor >> Bride: Mary French >> Bond Date: 24 Apr 1781 >> Bond #: 000135269 >> Level Info: North Carolina Marriage Bonds, 1741-1868 >> >> ImageNum: 002760 >> County: Rutherford >> Record #: 01 224 >> Bondsman: James Hamilton >> Witness: John Earle >> >> Source Information: >> Ancestry.com, comp. North Carolina Marriage Bonds, 1741-1868 [database >> online]. Provo, Utah: MyFamily.com, Inc., 2000. Original data: State of >> North Carolina. An Index to Marriage Bonds Filed in the North Carolina > State >> Archives. Raleigh, NC: North Carolina Division of Archives and History, >> 1977. >> >> > > >

Please add me to those wanting a copy of the bible: Joyce French 8766 Bridalsmith Dr. Sacramento, CA 95828

Julia I would like to have a copy of Lafford French Bible record. My adddress Alice Henderson 531 christopher Rd. # 24 Belen,Nm 8700 Thank You.

Will anyone with Ms Jenny Lamore's contact information please provide that? Thanks Bill French 908 Town & Country Blvd. Ste 230 Houston, Texas 77024 713-365-9009 fax 713-365-0005 [email protected] Bill French> AW French > AH French > Mansfield Joshua French > Rev Mansfield French > Joshua French > Samuel French > Samuel French > Samuel French, the Joiner > Samuel French > Rev Jeremiah French > Thomas French > Robert French > Thomas French > William French > William French (1450-1520) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith J. French" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 9:13 AM Subject: [FRENCH-L] Mary French > > Groom: William Moor > Bride: Mary French > Bond Date: 24 Apr 1781 > Bond #: 000135269 > Level Info: North Carolina Marriage Bonds, 1741-1868 > > ImageNum: 002760 > County: Rutherford > Record #: 01 224 > Bondsman: James Hamilton > Witness: John Earle > > Source Information: > Ancestry.com, comp. North Carolina Marriage Bonds, 1741-1868 [database > online]. Provo, Utah: MyFamily.com, Inc., 2000. Original data: State of > North Carolina. An Index to Marriage Bonds Filed in the North Carolina State > Archives. Raleigh, NC: North Carolina Division of Archives and History, > 1977. > >

Okay, Freda, but to remind everyone that this is the Family Record of Lafford French, and not the Samuel French line, although, Samuel and Lafford are related. I happen to be descended from both, Samuel French of Anson and Lafford's sister, Mary French, who married William Moore in Rutherford Co., NC in 1781. BTW, the Moore DNA has proven that they were Scottish and came from Ireland. Julia French Wood In a message dated 9/11/2004 10:20:18 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Julia, Please add my name for the Lafford Bible Record. I am also a cousin of Jenny LaMore. Freda French Godsoe Taos, NM

Sorry, Ralph, but Joseph P. isn't mentioned. You know from the DNA testing that your line isn't related to Lafford's line. But I may have some information for you about your French family. I have a wonderful cousin, Jenny LaMore, who helped me with the French research when I, first, started. She is very thorough and has a list of all Frenches in Early America. She sent me a will from NC that looks like it could be your line. I hate to tantalize you this way, but I will have to find the information. She send it some time ago and I can lose papers in my genealogy room is a few minutes. Julia In a message dated 9/11/2004 9:50:41 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hello Julia----- Is my G2Grandfather Joseph P. French (1812-1879) mentioned in this material? He was born in Edgefield Co, SC and lived most of his life in and around Pike and Barbour Cos, AL. He was a farmer, merchant, county elected official and lay Baptist minister. Your help will be most appreciated. Ralph Banks, Austin, TX

Hello Julia----- Is my G2Grandfather Joseph P. French (1812-1879) mentioned in this material? He was born in Edgefield Co, SC and lived most of his life in and around Pike and Barbour Cos, AL. He was a farmer, merchant, county elected official and lay Baptist minister. Your help will be most appreciated. Ralph Banks, Austin, TX In a message dated 9/10/04 2:40:41 PM, [email protected] writes: << Yeah !! First of all let me say that the Bible record is not a copy of the original, but typewritten, but was accepted by the DAR. They didn't have copy machines so readily available back when this was done. Mable Clark's application was submitted in 1942 and the Bible sent in by her when she obtained it in 1960, as she wanted her application to be correct. The DAR sent me more than the Bible record and one thing is a certified transcription of a letter from James French in Marshall Co., AL to his daughter, Love Ann Berry, written in 1861. And a narrative, from Mable Clark, of the French family which states in whose possession some other family bibles are. Everyone who wants a copy of all this, let me know and I will divide the $30.00 cost among all of us. It is a total of 8 pages, including the letter to me from the DAR. Send me your mailing address off the list. You can pay me via paypal or by check after I know how many ways we are splitting the cost. Julia French Wood <<<<<<

Groom: William Moor Bride: Mary French Bond Date: 24 Apr 1781 Bond #: 000135269 Level Info: North Carolina Marriage Bonds, 1741-1868 ImageNum: 002760 County: Rutherford Record #: 01 224 Bondsman: James Hamilton Witness: John Earle Source Information: Ancestry.com, comp. North Carolina Marriage Bonds, 1741-1868 [database online]. Provo, Utah: MyFamily.com, Inc., 2000. Original data: State of North Carolina. An Index to Marriage Bonds Filed in the North Carolina State Archives. Raleigh, NC: North Carolina Division of Archives and History, 1977.

List, Please enlighten me, what was a "warrener"? Judy > > From: [email protected] > Date: 2004/09/11 Sat AM 07:53:39 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: [FRENCH-L] GYLES/GILES > > GYLES/GILES, 1300s-1600s in Kent > Searching for GYLES/GILES of the Challock, New Romney, Canterbury, Asford, > Tenterden areas of Kent from 1300s to 1600s. Some given names are: THOMAS GYLES > (b.abt.1639,occupation: warrener, m. MARGARET CHAULKER in 6/28/1665 at New > Romney, Kent. Possibly brother of MAJOR JAMES GYLES,b. Challock, Kent,1629; d. in > New Jersey c. 1688, and JOHN GYLES. Looking for connection of this family to > SIR EDWARD GILES, b. late 1500s in Bowden, Devonshire or in Somersetshire > MaryEllen Carson <[email protected]> > United States of America - Friday, December 13, 2002 at 13:33:59 (EST) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > All, > Found this in my search for JAmes GILES/GYLES > Best, > Hugh > > Judy Katrein Bajorek !!Free!! To Take My Research! Surnames: BRADFORD, BROHMANN, FAUNCE, FRENCH, KATREIN, KIEFNER, KLEEMANN, METERLE, PAPP, RUZITSKA http://katrein.us author of http://lazyhsales.com http://kmhunting.com

Julia, Please add my name for the Lafford Bible Record. I am also a cousin of Jenny LaMore. Freda French Godsoe Taos, NM On Friday, September 10, 2004, at 10:32 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Well, the response has been better than I expected. I have 10 packets > ready > for the morning mail. That makes 11 of us to split the cost. So $30 > divided > by 11 = $2.73, plus 83 cents for postage. I did the copies here and > had the > envelopes, so there is no charge for that. So the total cost, so > far, is > $3.56 each. Wait until you receive the copies to pay me, as we may > get more > requests and the price will come down. You can pay via Paypal to my > email > address or send check to my address on the envelope. > > One thing that I am wondering about. Mable Berry Clark says, at the > end of > all this. "I used this (French) line together with much more data > extended to > Major James Gyles who died in Piscataway, New Jersey in 1790 and > joined the > Colonial Dames of America - Parent Society in NY about 2 years ago." > > Does anyone know who Major James Gyles is? > > I am a member of the Colonial Dames of the XVII Century, but not of > America, > as they do not have a Chapter here in New Orleans. > > Julia French Wood > > > >

Julia my address is Doris French 6345 70th Road Thayer, Kansas 66776 [email protected] Thank you i will gladly send you a check or you can c.o.d. it to me. [email protected] wrote: Yeah !! First of all let me say that the Bible record is not a copy of the original, but typewritten, but was accepted by the DAR. They didn't have copy machines so readily available back when this was done. Mable Clark's application was submitted in 1942 and the Bible sent in by her when she obtained it in 1960, as she wanted her application to be correct. The DAR sent me more than the Bible record and one thing is a certified transcription of a letter from James French in Marshall Co., AL to his daughter, Love Ann Berry, written in 1861. And a narrative, from Mable Clark, of the French family which states in whose possession some other family bibles are. Everyone who wants a copy of all this, let me know and I will divide the $30.00 cost among all of us. It is a total of 8 pages, including the letter to me from the DAR. Send me your mailing address off the list. You can pay me via paypal or by check after I know how many ways we are splitting the cost. Julia French Wood Have a Wonderfull Day --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping.

GYLES/GILES, 1300s-1600s in Kent Searching for GYLES/GILES of the Challock, New Romney, Canterbury, Asford, Tenterden areas of Kent from 1300s to 1600s. Some given names are: THOMAS GYLES (b.abt.1639,occupation: warrener, m. MARGARET CHAULKER in 6/28/1665 at New Romney, Kent. Possibly brother of MAJOR JAMES GYLES,b. Challock, Kent,1629; d. in New Jersey c. 1688, and JOHN GYLES. Looking for connection of this family to SIR EDWARD GILES, b. late 1500s in Bowden, Devonshire or in Somersetshire MaryEllen Carson <[email protected]> United States of America - Friday, December 13, 2002 at 13:33:59 (EST) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ All, Found this in my search for JAmes GILES/GYLES Best, Hugh

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Good job, in finding him. I agree that the Colonial Dames application should be very interesting. It appears that Mable was very careful about documenting everything. I have a friend who may be a member, I will see if she can order this application for us. There are three Colonial Dames Societies. Julia In a message dated 9/11/2004 12:47:07 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I have the feeling we might want to see some more of Mable Berry Clark's documentation submitted for her membership in Colonial Dames of America - Parent Society in NY.

I have the feeling we might want to see some more of Mable Berry Clark's documentation submitted for her membership in Colonial Dames of America - Parent Society in NY. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] One thing that I am wondering about. Mable Berry Clark says, at the end of all this. "I used this (French) line together with much more data extended to Major James Gyles who died in Piscataway, New Jersey in 1790 and joined the Colonial Dames of America - Parent Society in NY about 2 years ago."

Well, the response has been better than I expected. I have 10 packets ready for the morning mail. That makes 11 of us to split the cost. So $30 divided by 11 = $2.73, plus 83 cents for postage. I did the copies here and had the envelopes, so there is no charge for that. So the total cost, so far, is $3.56 each. Wait until you receive the copies to pay me, as we may get more requests and the price will come down. You can pay via Paypal to my email address or send check to my address on the envelope. One thing that I am wondering about. Mable Berry Clark says, at the end of all this. "I used this (French) line together with much more data extended to Major James Gyles who died in Piscataway, New Jersey in 1790 and joined the Colonial Dames of America - Parent Society in NY about 2 years ago." Does anyone know who Major James Gyles is? I am a member of the Colonial Dames of the XVII Century, but not of America, as they do not have a Chapter here in New Orleans. Julia French Wood

Found at roots web: Entries: 1116 Updated: 2004-08-15 18:46:57 UTC (Sun) Contact: kenneth carlson 1 James GILES b: 1626 d: UNKNOWN + Elizabeth TIDD b: MAY 1642 d: AFT 1680 2 Elizabeth GILES b: ABT 1663 d: AFT 1697 + William OLDEN d: MAR 1719/20 3 Sarah OLDEN b: 18 JUN 1697 d: AFT 1731 + Simon HORN b: 1677 d: BET 1726 AND 1736 4 Hannah HORN b: BET 1720 AND 1731 d: AFT 1760 + Joseph FRENCH b: ABT 1723 d: UNKNOWN 5 Lafford FRENCH b: 1753 d: UNKNOWN 5 Sarah FRENCH b: 17 MAR 1754 d: 2 JAN 1854 + Hugh MOORE b: 15 SEP 1750 d: 24 OCT 1833 6 Mary Catherine MOORE b: 16 FEB 1774 d: UNKNOWN + Tyce M. LIGHT b: 7 JUN 1769 d: 1826 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 11:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] Lafford's Bible Record from the DAR has arrived Well, the response has been better than I expected. I have 10 packets ready for the morning mail. That makes 11 of us to split the cost. So $30 divided by 11 = $2.73, plus 83 cents for postage. I did the copies here and had the envelopes, so there is no charge for that. So the total cost, so far, is $3.56 each. Wait until you receive the copies to pay me, as we may get more requests and the price will come down. You can pay via Paypal to my email address or send check to my address on the envelope. One thing that I am wondering about. Mable Berry Clark says, at the end of all this. "I used this (French) line together with much more data extended to Major James Gyles who died in Piscataway, New Jersey in 1790 and joined the Colonial Dames of America - Parent Society in NY about 2 years ago." Does anyone know who Major James Gyles is? I am a member of the Colonial Dames of the XVII Century, but not of America, as they do not have a Chapter here in New Orleans. Julia French Wood

In a message dated 9/10/04 3:40:41 PM, [email protected] writes: << Send me your mailing address off the list. You can pay me via paypal or by check after I know how many ways we are splitting the cost. >> ______ Julia, I'm in! Address is: Hugh Hoffman 6870 McLean Province Circle Falls Church, VA 22043 Best, Hugh