Early Quaker immigrants named Joseph FRENCH 1727 Philadelpia Quaker Record: Name: Joseph French Location: from Mo. Mtg. at Bridgetown, Barbadoes Date: 13 Feb 1727 Comments: He is about to take a voyage to Pennsylvania. He has a son Joseph. Original on file. And thanks to Jenny LaMore for posting her data.

To anyone interested: by Crockett A. Harrison of Grave City, PA. "The Allens of Harrison of the Kingdom of Calloway". Rev. J. Stewart French was a husband of one of the authors. Rev. George Stewart was his grandfather. The youngest dau of Major John and Mary Crockett Harrison was born to them in Boone Co, MO May 30, 1825. She married Nov. 17, 1852, Wm. Henry French who was B. Calloway Co, MO, 4 April 1825 and died Mexico, MO 1912. Virginia (Harrison) Smith d. 27 Oct., 1889. William H. French was in Mexico with Thomas and Crockett, brothers of Virginia. They had three children: Mary Jane 1850-1925 Emma Rebekka 1861-1911 Annie Elizabeth m J. Hardin Field and d. Dec 1880--they had 7 children

Dear West TN French researchers, I am hestitant to get into the midst of the "fray" but Julia tells me I must to set the record straight as well as to add my thoughts and records. First of all, unless someone can verify his name, Samuel C. French's (b. ca 1790) middle name is NOT Clark. It MAY be but I have never found a record of that. The Samuel CLARK French was b. ca 1805 and married Mary Ann Jackson. So, before records are submitted, verified, or passed on to the LDS, please, let's just keep him as Samuel C. French. He MAY be the son of Samuel, b. ca 1750, but that is not verified either.Nor is it that that Samuel is the son of Samuel b. 1733. I agree, it sounds reasonable, but until some proof is submitted, the lineage is a puzzlement. Just hoping the DNA tests will help! I am confident to say that I don't think Capt. Thomas is the father. To my knowledge, he never was in GA or SC and he gave a very detailed account of his wanderings in his pension application. I do know he was married to Martha "Patsy" Sorrell, via a deed in Rutherford Co, NC which I have personally viewed. He had a daughter, Harriet H. R., b. 1780, married to Henry Gibson in 1799 in Montgomery Co, TN. In 1821, Thomas made a deed of gift to his grandchildren Aramity Dormer, Nancy Susan, Penina Lucinda, Patsy Leroy and Henry E. in Stewart Co, TN. There was also a Thomas French, Jr. whom I believe could have been his son, (but there is no proof), b. ca 1783 and who died before 2 May 1815, as a result of the War of 1812. Mark Rushing was the Adm., Thomas Brewer and Robert Lowery, sec. His wife was Elizabeth and their children were Harriett, b. 1810, John, b. 1812, Matilda b. 1810-15, and Lydia b. 1810-15. After Thomas Jr. died, Gideon was appointed guardian to these children in Stewart Co, TN. Quite possibly, Capt. Thomas and Patsy also had a daughter, Hannah, who married George Lee because in 1820, Thomas gifted to his great-sons, James Lee and Thomas Lee. (There was a George Lee on the 1820, Stewart Co, TN census, HH #115 with 1 M 18-26, 1 F 16-26 and 1 F under 10--Thomas was at #109). So with that said, we still need to concentrate on whether the father of Samuel C. French (if he was the brother of Gideon and I think he was) was Samuel or John. Would you peruse your records and see if you can come up with any info? I will quit now, let you think and hope to have your feedback and maybe some new info. Jenny LaMore

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: [FRENCH-L] wills > Dear David, Joe and Ralph and all researchers, > Sometimes additional will info can be found under "probate package". This > contains much more than a will especially if there are children (under 21) > involved! Try that! Jenny LaMore > >

Dear Joe, Ralph and all those searching info about Joseph French. From "Abstracts of NC Wills" by Olds, #756.32, there was the following info: Joseph French (wife Abigail, son Joseph) d. 1774 in Onslow Co; Abigail French (William and Joseph, grandsons) d. 1779 in Onslow Co; Peter French (heirs Joseph, William, Samuel and John) d. 1801 in Stokes Co. You should write to the NC Archives or to Stokes Co. for a copy of these documents. (See other e-mail.) My notes on Joseph/Josephs: A Joseph b. in Hanover CO, VA in 1760. A Joseph who lived in Goochland, Louisa, Henry Co's, VA from 1760-Revolution W. A Joseph in Onslow Co, NC in 1767. A Joseph who was a LT in the muster roll of Onslow Co, NC. A Joseph who owned land on a branch of the Pacelot R. bounded by Zach Bulloch in 1773 in SC (probably area now Spartenburg or Union. A Joseph who served w/ Capt Philemon Waters under St. Col. John Thomas and Gen. Sumter's Brigade from 1775-1781 in SC. A Joseph who had Rev. claims # 61.114 along with Wm, Michel, Simon, Lefford, and Josiah in SC. A Joseph who married Judah Smith 10 July, 1783 in Hanover, VA. A Joseph who had 381 A both sides of Pacolet R along with a Wm. in the Abbeville Dist, Spartenberg, SC. A Joseph who had land on Moore's branch of the Enoree R. in 1785 (surveyed for Wm. French) in Greenville, SC (the 96th Dist). A Joseph French who had 437 A on Suck Cr in Spartenberg, Abbeville Dist, SC, in 1785-88. A Joseph on the 1790 census of Orangeburg, SC with 1-3-1. A Joseph on the 1800 census in York Co, SC #958 with 2 M -10, 2 M 16-26, 1 m 25-45, 3 F -10, 1 F 26-45. I have nothing more on a Joseph until one shows up in Montgomery, TN before 1805 with Thomas French as his security in the settlement of John French's estate. Joseph is mentioned in records of Montomery, TN from then to 1809. Joseph is mentioned in records of Overton from 1809 until 1843 Joseph is also in records of Knox, Blount, TN and Fentress, TN where a Joseph died in 1837. The Overton/Fentress Joseph served with VA militia. He was 74 when pensioned. Hope this helps and best of luck in your search! Jenny LaMore

Dear David, Joe and Ralph and all researchers, Sometimes additional will info can be found under "probate package". This contains much more than a will especially if there are children (under 21) involved! Try that! Jenny LaMore

Hi Ralph & Joe, I am currently in New Bern, North Carolina doing research on my Frenches, but I am leaving tomorrow for Tennessee as my mother is having an arteriogram next week. I would be happy to order the will for you when I return to North Carolina, hopefully, in the next couple of weeks. I recently ordered some estate records on microfilm for another county in North Carolina via inter-library loan here at the library in New Bern and received them in a couple of weeks and the only charge was the postage which was $1.75. I would also suggest getting a copy of the microfilm of the estate records which is different from the actual will as I have found they sometimes contain a great deal of information. The estate records are generally not indexed so you just have to order the reel that contains the French surname for Stokes County and possibly there will be something there. North Carolina State Archives Stokes County, North Carolina: ESTATE RECORDS Record of Estates, 1790-1849, 1861-1869; 5 reels. WILLS Record of Wills, 1790-1965; 4 reels. Index to Wills, Devisor, 1790-1970; 1 reel. Index to Wills, Devisee, 1790-1970; 1 reel. For a complete listing of all the types of county records that the North Carolina State Archives has, see the link below: http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/archives/arch/default.htm You may also want to check with your local library and see if they can order it for you via inter-library loan, because if you order directly from the archive it is pretty expensive. Here is what their website says: Persons Residing Outside of North Carolina Print out a copy of the request form, fill it, out and mail it to: North Carolina State Archives 4614 Mail Service Center Raleigh, NC 27699-4614 Researchers who are unable to print the request form may submit a general letter. Please include the same type of information as requested by the on-line form. A $20.00 Search and Handling Fee must accompany each inquiry. Payments should be made by personal check or money order rather than cash. Please make all checks payable to the "North Carolina Department of Cultural Resources." If copies of the requested record cannot be covered by the $20.00 fee, a statement of copying costs will be included in our response. These copies will not be mailed until indicated payment is received. Researchers are requested NOT to add any estimated costs of copying to their $20.00 fee. ESTIMATED PAYMENTS MUST BE RETURNED, thus delaying a reply to the researcher's inquiry. Responses will be delivered by U. S. mail. http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/archives/arch/default.htm Another way to receive the microfilm is via LDS History Centers if you have one near you. Check this link to find out about their locations: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp If you would like for me to order them when I return, please let me know. I would just ask that you cover the cost of postage for the microfilm, the copies which are 15 cents per page and the postage to mail the copies to you. Best Regards, David > > > Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] Found the mention of a Will that includes Joseph and John > Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:11:35 EDT > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > Hello JFrench and all--------- > This is really exciting news for me, that this may lead to information > on the parents and siblings of our ancestor, Mary W. (Brown) and Joseph P. > French. As I may have mentioned before, I am descended through their daughter, > Sarah Josephine (French) Banks. > If it pertains to my French line, I will really appreciate a copy of > the will mentioned, and any further related information that may come about. We > are told that the father of Joseph P. French deceased when Joseph was quite > young, leaving Mary W. (Brown) French to raise the family by herself; does > this will reflect this? > Best regards to all, > Ralph Banks, Austin, TX > >

I am not sure who this John French is, but could be the son of Samuel and there are names that couldn't be read so other French names could be there. The Joseph Moor could be the father of my William Moore who married Mary French in Rutherford Co., NC in 1781. _http://www.tngenweb.org/pre1796/178712f.html_ (http://www.tngenweb.org/pre1796/178712f.html) Brown, Davis, Bell, Kelly, wear, Hood, Davis, McCall, Reed, Call, Stinson, Greer, Henry Easter, Wood, Ramsey, Moses & William & Anthony Moore, Franses Castel, Robert Kerr, Andrew English, Joseph Ray, Howard, Redman McDaniel, Nicholas & Samuel Hayes, Robert Hays, Jesey Holland, Shadrach Haile, Owen Atkin, Hunt, Joseph Moor, Smith, Wm. Berry, Ellecander More, Jacob Cox, William Holland, John French, and many more. Ed. Note: Because so many of the above names are abbreviated, spelled "old style" or mistranscribed, the following incomplete list of "search words" has been added to this page: Corson, Allison, Stivers, Styvers, Bartholmew, Shadrach, Denny, Potter, Kirkpatrick, Benjamin, Eads, Starling, Strong, Moseley, Stubblefield, Rudolph, Ferguson, Hagan, Dickson, Dixon, McDaniel, Humphrey, Carmack, Johnson, Ridge, Norman, Clark, Biggs, Atwood, Shane, Owen, Pinkney, Huston, Payne, Bennett, Austin, Hightower, Petherow, Norris, Hensley, Vachel, Hale, Massingale, Massengill, Murphy, Spurgeon, Arbuthnot, Stokes, Waldrop, McLaren, Billingsley, Marion, Bozeman, Finn, Burwell, Murrell Julia French Wood

Records indicate that there were 2 Joseph FRENCH's involved in the Rev War in New Jersey. One with Captain Coonrad Ten Eyck's company, Second Battalion, Somerset County The other: 1779, ". . .inquisitions for joining the army of the King of Great Britain, and other treasonable practices" ----------------------------------- [April 4, 1766.] Documents Relating to the Colonial History of New Jersey Vol VI FOR SALE, AN Estate in New-Jersey, in Morris County, and Township of Mendham, known by the Name of Hercules Yeng's; containing Two hundred and Twenty-seven Acres, 80 of which (if not more) are good cleared Land in Fence; the Rest good Timber Land, with a large Brook through the Middle of the same, a good spring Well 20 Yards from the Dwelling House, which never freezes, a good Dwelling House with a good Cellar under it, 3 Rooms on a Floor, with 2 Fire Places, a good Kitchen and Barn, a Garden, an Orchard, a great many Cherry and Peach Trees, a good Iron Mine, the best Outlet for Cattle in the Jersies, on Suckesana Plains; the public Road runs past the Door that leads up to Sussex County and Court House, it is a Mile from a Meeting House, and 12 Miles from Morris Town and Court House: If not sold soon, it will be let for six or seven Years, as it may suit; or bartered for any Place in New-York. A Third of the Purchase Money will be required, with Security, &c. Inquire of Joseph French, at Mr. Christopher Sweedland's, at White Hall, New-York. N. B. There is a Market for every Thing at the Door, as the County abounds with Iron Works, and is thick settled. April 4, 1766. ======================== 1779 New Jersey, Essex county. AT an Inferior Court of Common-Pleas held for the said county of Essex on the 13th day of April inst. were returned inquisitions for joining the army of the King of Great Britain, and other treasonable practices, found against Duncan Campbell, Cornelius Stager, Isaac Ogden, Thomas Phillips, John J. Crane, Henry Vanderhoff, James Blundle, John Coleny, William Brounejohn, Thomas White, John Tabor Kemp, Joseph French, Hugh Wallace, James Jauncy, Vincint Pearce Ashfield, Miles Sheerbrook, Luther Baldwin, Daniel Pierson, Sheffield Howard, James Wilson and George Warner; of which proclamation was made at said Court, that if they, or any on their behalf, or any persons interested, would appear and traverse, a trial should be awarded; but no traverses were offered -- Therefore notice is hereby given that if neither they nor any on their behalf, nor any interested, shall appear and traverse at the next Court to be held for the said county, the inquisitions will then be taken to be true, and final judgment entered thereon in favour of the state. JOSEPH HEDDEN, jun, SAMUEL HAYES and THOMAS CANFIELD, Commissioners. Newark, 18th April, 1779. =============================== March 14, 1780. State of New-Jersey, Morris County, WHEREAS there has been final judgment entered as the act of assembly directs against Nicholas Hoffman, Charles Bowlsby, George Ludlow, William W. Ludlow, Barnardus Legrange, David Ogden, late Esq; Isaac Ogden, and Joseph French. Notice is hereby given, that the real estates that did belong to these persons in the county of Morris, will be sold at public vendue, on the 5th day of April next, at ten o'clock, on the green, at Morris Town. The estates are as follows, viz. A farm of about 170 acres of very good land, in the township of Hanover, formerly the property of George and William Ludlow. Several tracts of land, late the property of David Ogden. About one-third part of the slitting mill at Boontown, formerly the property of Nicholas Hoffman and Isaac Ogden. A very good farm in the township of Mendham, south of Fox-Hill, containing 170 acres, now in the possession of Lefever Legrange, formerly the property of Joseph French. A farm lately belonging to Charles Bowlsby, at Black River, and one late the property of Thomas Milledge, at Troy. About 30 acres of wood land at Pompton, lately belonging to Samuel Ryerson. Drafts of the land, and conditions of sale will be made known by DAVID THOMSON,| Commis- ALEX. CARMICHAEL,| sioners. AARON KITCHEL,| ----------------------- MORRIS County -- taken from Hunterdon County by Act of Colonial Assembly of 1738-9 -- included within its limits territory now forming Sussex and Warren Counties. It was named after Lewis Morris, Governor of the Province. MENDHAM Founded in 1713. Six and one-half miles southwest of Morristown. Site of mutiny of Pennsylvania Line, January, 1781. http://www.getnj.com/historicroadsides/morris.shtml Noah FRENCH Morris Twp. 1771 Tax List ------------------------------------------- REVOLUTIONARY WAR: OFFICIAL REGISTER OF THE OFFICERS AND MEN OF NEW JERSEY Page 600 French, Joseph. Captain Coonrad Ten Eyck's company, Second Battalion, Somerset. French, William. Captain Jacob Ten Eyck's company, First Battalion,Somerset. French, David. Somerset. French, Daniel, third regiment, Hunterdon French, Jeremiah, Hunterdon French, Jeremiah, Captain Westbrook's company, third battalion, Sussex; also Continental Army. French, Samuel, Gloucester French, William, Middlesex [Note that the Middlesex Joseph FRENCH is absent] ================================== Other Middlesex Co. NJ Men in the Revolution Roster of State Troops, Captains: James MOORE, Jacob SEBRING, Jeremiah TEN EYCK Privates: Benjamin CLARK; John, Steven & William HORN; David, James, Mattheas, Samuel MOORE John OLDEN, George SEBRING, David & William STONE. =============================================== First Settlers of Ye Plantations of Piscataway and Woodsridge Olde East New Jersey part 4 Page 150 Includes the following names: William Olden William French Joseph French William Horn

Ralph, I do not have a copy of the Will I gave you the location and date of the Will. It is up to you to obtain a copy if you think this is your family and have an interest. It isn't my line. Julia In a message dated 9/17/2004 8:13:17 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hello JFrench and all--------- This is really exciting news for me, that this may lead to information on the parents and siblings of our ancestor, Mary W. (Brown) and Joseph P. French. As I may have mentioned before, I am descended through their daughter, Sarah Josephine (French) Banks. If it pertains to my French line, I will really appreciate a copy of the will mentioned, and any further related information that may come about. We are told that the father of Joseph P. French deceased when Joseph was quite young, leaving Mary W. (Brown) French to raise the family by herself; does this will reflect this? Best regards to all, Ralph Banks, Austin, TX

Hello JFrench and all--------- This is really exciting news for me, that this may lead to information on the parents and siblings of our ancestor, Mary W. (Brown) and Joseph P. French. As I may have mentioned before, I am descended through their daughter, Sarah Josephine (French) Banks. If it pertains to my French line, I will really appreciate a copy of the will mentioned, and any further related information that may come about. We are told that the father of Joseph P. French deceased when Joseph was quite young, leaving Mary W. (Brown) French to raise the family by herself; does this will reflect this? Best regards to all, Ralph Banks, Austin, TX In a message dated 9/17/04 11:31:35 AM, [email protected] writes: << That decendant would be me. I will go ahead and do the DNA testing. Hey Ralp Banks, this will be our line. I assume that the testing requires people be related through the male heirs. I am decended from the Richard Ira branch under Joseph P. French born March 23, 1812 in South Carolina. He married Mary W. Brown June 27, 1833 in Houston County Georgia. Seems there is a possibility that the marrige was registered in Marion County, Georgia also. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: [FRENCH-L] Found the mention of a Will that includes Joseph and John > This the Will that I was talking about that Jenny LaMore sent to me. Mind > you, it is not the will, but an abstract that Jenny included in her list of every Samuel French that she found and says this: 1801, Stokes Co., NC, Will of Peter French, heirs, Joseph, William, Samuel & John. These are not my French line and is a family that, to my knowledge, has > never been mentioned. It made me think that the Samuel who is in Greenville, SC could be this Samuel as there was a John there at the same time who has been DNA tested and is not related to my Samuel line. I don't know where Overton and Morgan Counties are, but another entry: > 1828, Samuel a tract of land on waters of Crooked Creek "including place > where Joseph French now lives", Overton, Morgan Counties, TN BTW, we have a descendant of Joseph P. French of SC and GA (I think I have that right) who is doing the DNA testing. It will be interesting to see who he matches. Julia <<<<<

That decendant would be me. I will go ahead and do the DNA testing. Hey Ralp Banks, this will be our line. I assume that the testing requires people be related through the male heirs. I am decended from the Richard Ira branch under Joseph P. French born March 23, 1812 in South Carolina. He married Mary W. Brown June 27, 1833 in Houston County Georgia. Seems there is a possibility that the marrige was registered in Marion County, Georgia also. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: [FRENCH-L] Found the mention of a Will that includes Joseph and John > This the Will that I was talking about that Jenny LaMore sent to me. Mind > you, it is not the will, but an abstract that Jenny included in her list of > every Samuel French that she found and says this: > > 1801, Stokes Co., NC, Will of Peter French, heirs, Joseph, William, Samuel & > John. > > These are not my French line and is a family that, to my knowledge, has > never been mentioned. It made me think that the Samuel who is in Greenville, SC > could be this Samuel as there was a John there at the same time who has been > DNA tested and is not related to my Samuel line. > > I don't know where Overton and Morgan Counties are, but another entry: > 1828, Samuel a tract of land on waters of Crooked Creek "including place > where Joseph French now lives", Overton, Morgan Counties, TN > > BTW, we have a descendant of Joseph P. French of SC and GA (I think I have > that right) who is doing the DNA testing. It will be interesting to see who he > matches. > > Julia > >

This the Will that I was talking about that Jenny LaMore sent to me. Mind you, it is not the will, but an abstract that Jenny included in her list of every Samuel French that she found and says this: 1801, Stokes Co., NC, Will of Peter French, heirs, Joseph, William, Samuel & John. These are not my French line and is a family that, to my knowledge, has never been mentioned. It made me think that the Samuel who is in Greenville, SC could be this Samuel as there was a John there at the same time who has been DNA tested and is not related to my Samuel line. I don't know where Overton and Morgan Counties are, but another entry: 1828, Samuel a tract of land on waters of Crooked Creek "including place where Joseph French now lives", Overton, Morgan Counties, TN BTW, we have a descendant of Joseph P. French of SC and GA (I think I have that right) who is doing the DNA testing. It will be interesting to see who he matches. Julia

I have a Charles H. French, born 1876, died 1937, the son of Barney Ballard French; he was born in Plainfield, WI. His father was born in NY August 28, 1826, the son of Abraham French and Susan McClain French. Steade Craigo

There was a Charles French, son of William, in South Dakota. He would have been born after 1864. He belongs to William, son of Abraham French, son of Henry. If you need further information I can give you the e-mail address of my cousin who is a descendant of William. Willa at [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Riley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] Joseph P. French > I am a beginner searching for information on FRENCH family Walsh county > North Dakota. (Charles French)??? > Heather > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 9:57 AM > Subject: [FRENCH-L] Joseph P. French > > > > > > Sorry, Ralph, but Joseph P. isn't mentioned. You know from the DNA > testing > > that your line isn't related to Lafford's line. But I may have some > > information for you about your French family. I have a wonderful cousin, > Jenny > > LaMore, who helped me with the French research when I, first, started. > She is very > > thorough and has a list of all Frenches in Early America. She sent me a > > will from NC that looks like it could be your line. I hate to tantalize > you > > this way, but I will have to find the information. She send it some time > ago > > and I can lose papers in my genealogy room is a few minutes. > > Julia > > > > In a message dated 9/11/2004 9:50:41 AM Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] > > writes: > > > > Hello Julia----- > > Is my G2Grandfather Joseph P. French (1812-1879) mentioned in this > > material? > > He was born in Edgefield Co, SC and lived most of his life in and around > > Pike > > and Barbour Cos, AL. He was a farmer, merchant, county elected official > and > > lay Baptist minister. > > Your help will be most appreciated. > > Ralph Banks, Austin, TX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I am a beginner searching for information on FRENCH family Walsh county North Dakota. (Charles French)??? Heather ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 9:57 AM Subject: [FRENCH-L] Joseph P. French > > Sorry, Ralph, but Joseph P. isn't mentioned. You know from the DNA testing > that your line isn't related to Lafford's line. But I may have some > information for you about your French family. I have a wonderful cousin, Jenny > LaMore, who helped me with the French research when I, first, started. She is very > thorough and has a list of all Frenches in Early America. She sent me a > will from NC that looks like it could be your line. I hate to tantalize you > this way, but I will have to find the information. She send it some time ago > and I can lose papers in my genealogy room is a few minutes. > Julia > > In a message dated 9/11/2004 9:50:41 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] > writes: > > Hello Julia----- > Is my G2Grandfather Joseph P. French (1812-1879) mentioned in this > material? > He was born in Edgefield Co, SC and lived most of his life in and around > Pike > and Barbour Cos, AL. He was a farmer, merchant, county elected official and > lay Baptist minister. > Your help will be most appreciated. > Ralph Banks, Austin, TX > > > > > > >

There is a lot of documentation relating to the James Giles (Gyles) of NJ and the more I read the more convinced I become that the FRENCH lines found in eastern NJ are not necessarily descended from the west NJ Thomas FRENCH line. I think earlier researchers who connect the east & west New Jersey FRENCH lines have ignored the documented information relating to the origins of the settlers found on the Raritan River and the ease with which these early settlers could travel to the New York/New Jersey area from other settlements in the northeast. Earlier researchers also appear to ignore the new immigrants who were arriving in NY and moving into east NJ. There is a lot of good documentation available for these east NJ settlers. Take a look at it. Example: JAMES GYLES . . . . a manuscript now extant in New Jersey, and in the possession of Hon. Charles S. Olden, the present governor of that state, who is a descendant of James Gyles. . . . "Princeton, N. J., June 10, 1859. "EDWARD BALLARD, ESQ. "Dear Sir,--I regret that it is not in my power to give you much information on the subject of your inquiries about the family of Gyles, who at one time lived in the State of Maine. "James Gyles, whose Journal you refer to, at his death left no sons, but four daughters. The eldest married William Olden; the second, Benjamin Clarke; the third, John Worth; and the fourth, Joseph Worth. From the third, the wife of John Worth, was descended the late General Worth of the U. S. army. . . . The wife of James Gyles, who accompanied him to Maine, and was the mother of the daughters named, was his second wife. . . . CHARLES S. OLDEN." Quoting from the Journal: "November the 9th [1668] we arrived at Boston in New England, having been nine weeks and two days at sea; " NOTE: Land Records prove that there was a son, Matthew Giles, who was a child of the 1st marriage. Records also prove that William Olden was a brother-in-law of Matthew Giles and is married to his sister, Elizabeth, daughter of James Gyles. And birth/baptismal records filmed by the LDS show a Sarah OLDEN was born 28 Jun 1697 to William Olden and wife, Elizabeth, at Piscataway, Middlesex, New Jersey. Still lacking documentation that Sarah OLDEN married Simon HORN and had daughter Hannah HORN.

Okay I have mailed out 14 packets. Most went out yesterday and some are in the mail for tomorrow's mail. That makes 15 of us to split the cost. It will be $2.00 each plus .83 for the postage= $2.83. Round it off to $3.00 and it will help to cover the copies and envelopes. Either I made one copy too many or I forgot to mail to somebody, so if anyone hasn't received the packet by Friday, let me know and I will mail it, immediately. Julia

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Re:IGI -Best lead source I have found. Not proof by a long shot! Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 2:26 PM Subject: [FRENCH-L] The LDS IGI --is an index > The IGI (International Genealogical Index) can be found on-line at the > Morman (Latter Day Saints) Family Search.org website. > > A while back there was a short discussion about whether something found in > the IGI index could be in error. I have noticed that some of our FRENCH > researchers regard an IGI entry as a primary source, apparently believing > anything found in the IGI index can be regarded as an acceptable "source" > requiring no additional research before adding it to their family tree. > > Although the IGI is a very useful tool for the genealogist, it is an index > only and should not be considered a source which "proves" an entry on one's > family tree. > > The IGI includes Private Patron submissions (Individual's family tree > information) and extracts from the films of Parish Registers and Bishop's > Transcripts. > > Quoting from TAMESIDE LOCAL AND FAMILY HISTORY > > "Those entries from private patron submissions are to be viewed with extreme > caution. The rules governing proof of ancestry for church members are not as > rigorous as those required by family historians, and were indeed interpreted > with a considerable degree of licence, especially in the early days. Be > especially careful with entries that say 'Relative' or 'About'. In the past > church members went about collecting as many entries of the same surname in > an area as possible, without proving any relationship between them. Also > having found a marriage of their ancestors in a certain place they could > assume that he/she had been baptised in the same area about 25 years > previously, again without any real proof at all." > >