Has anyone published a part of a website as members only (not USGenWEb). I am trying to figure out if I have to have a database site to not have the data come up in a search engine and require a member login. My site is currently Drupal which is a nightmare to use and I trying to move the data to a flat file site, but need some of the data to not be open to the public or search engines. ~ Nancy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 3:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 10, Issue 188 When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. ***FREEPAGES HELP & FAQ*** <http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/FAQ/fpindex.html> Today's Topics: 1. Revisiting indexes in image folders/directories (JFlorian) 2. Re: Revisiting indexes in image folders/directories (Billie Walsh) 3. Windows 10 (Billie Walsh) 4. Re: Revisiting indexes in image folders/directories (JFlorian) 5. Re: Windows 10 (Barry Carlson) 6. Re: Windows 10 (Billie Walsh) 7. Problems (Ray Farm) 8. Re: Problems (JFlorian) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 05:46:56 -0400 From: JFlorian <[email protected]> Subject: [FreeHelp] Revisiting indexes in image folders/directories To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I'm revisiting this topic mainly because I want to understand how Google and other bots handle the use of /images/index.htm After a lot of reading, I think it isn't good to use "404" for these, as content is there but just sort of off limits. If you read this web entry, at least some website designers use indexes in image folders. http://www.os-templates.com/documentation/why-are-empty-index-files-in-folde rs The above website designer refer to these under the webpage code HTTP 403. Wikipedia says: "A web server <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_server> may return a *403 Forbidden* HTTP status code <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HTTP_status_codes> in response to a request from a client for a web page or resource to indicate that the server can be reached and understood the request, but refuses to take any further action. Status code 403 responses are the result of the web server being configured to deny access, for some reason, to the requested resource by the client." They have different 403s that can be used, but I don't understand all the nuances. My site uses a ton of newspaper and original images. They are being harvested and put onto icky webpages. For example, labeling a file as girls frilly dress or two boys is likely to end up on a s*x site. Submitters aren't happy about that. I'm tired of appealing to host companies to remove my content. And if it is overseas, tough luck. Another reason is my belief that all jpgs don't all need separately indexed as images for Search; using them on a page is visible enough. I use descriptive text H2, descriptive text page titles, and fully worded text links. So the topic and image can be found on the page where the image is used. My confusion is if I have an /image/index.html and indicate in the Title Meta tag "403" will Google still index the images for my site, OR is indexing not needed since most of the images are linked to their pages? Will it keep the jpgs from appearing in Google Images? What are the pros and cons to this? I ran Xenu tonight and it could not "switch into" the image directories where I used index.htm. Good because it shows they are working. But again what about the regular indexing of images by bots when the image is on a page? e.g. will those index as content, just not leave the images directory door wide open? (see example of a directory without an index.htm on http://www.os-templates.com/documentation/why-are-empty-index-files-in-folde rs ) Ralph alluded to creating problems if I use these index "doors". What kinds of problems? Can you be more specific? Does anyone know what SEO and SEO practices says about using the 403 designation as image directory "(restricted) doors"? Judy ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 07:22:01 -0500 From: Billie Walsh <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Revisiting indexes in image folders/directories To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed When I make an index page for an image folder I make it a page with a link to the main index of the site. Something to the effect: "There are no visitor accessible pages in this folder. Please visit [ link to index page ]" It is a complete page. Head, body, everything. On 08/03/2015 04:46 AM, JFlorian via wrote: > I'm revisiting this topic mainly because I want to understand how Google > and other bots handle the use of /images/index.htm > > After a lot of reading, I think it isn't good to use "404" for these, > as content is there but just sort of off limits. > > > If you read this web entry, at least some website designers use > indexes in image folders. > http://www.os-templates.com/documentation/why-are-empty-index-files-in > -folders > > The above website designer refer to these under the webpage code HTTP 403. > Wikipedia says: > "A web server <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_server> may return a > *403 > Forbidden* HTTP status code > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HTTP_status_codes> in response > to a request from a client for a web page or resource to indicate that > the server can be reached and understood the request, but refuses to > take any further action. Status code 403 responses are the result of > the web server being configured to deny access, for some reason, to > the requested resource by the client." > > They have different 403s that can be used, but I don't understand all > the nuances. > > > My site uses a ton of newspaper and original images. They are being > harvested and put onto icky webpages. For example, labeling a file as > girls frilly dress or two boys is likely to end up on a s*x site. > Submitters aren't happy about that. I'm tired of appealing to host > companies to remove my content. And if it is overseas, tough luck. > > Another reason is my belief that all jpgs don't all need separately > indexed as images for Search; using them on a page is visible enough. > I use descriptive text H2, descriptive text page titles, and fully > worded text links. So the topic and image can be found on the page > where the image is used. > > My confusion is if I have an /image/index.html and indicate in the > Title Meta tag "403" will Google still index the images for my site, > OR is indexing not needed since most of the images are linked to their pages? > Will it keep the jpgs from appearing in Google Images? What are the > pros and cons to this? > > I ran Xenu tonight and it could not "switch into" the image > directories where I used index.htm. Good because it shows they are > working. But again what about the regular indexing of images by bots when the image is on a > page? e.g. will those index as content, just not leave the images > directory door wide open? (see example of a directory without an index.htm > on > http://www.os-templates.com/documentation/why-are-empty-index-files-in > -folders > ) > > > Ralph alluded to creating problems if I use these index "doors". What > kinds of problems? Can you be more specific? > > Does anyone know what SEO and SEO practices says about using the 403 > designation as image directory "(restricted) doors"? > > Judy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 11:40:05 -0500 From: Billie Walsh <[email protected]> Subject: [FreeHelp] Windows 10 To: Freepages Help <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed DO NOT INSTALL WINDOWS 10!!!!!! Especially if you have limited bandwidth internet connections. Windows 10, by default, uses a system similar to Bittorrent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent . What that means is that Windows uses YOUR computer to feed files and updates to other peoples computers. In effect they are stealing your internet bandwidth to update other computers. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 14:25:13 -0400 From: JFlorian <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Revisiting indexes in image folders/directories To: Billie Walsh <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Yes, Billie, I'm talking about using a complete page: Meta Head, Body, Content with message directing visitors back to Main Index or Search. It is the same as my site design. To be a tiny bit unique, I wrote 4 short genealogy humor items and randomly assigned 1 of those 4 to these pages. The 4 humor items are in includes so I can change them if I want. On others of these, I used an image of our city with the message that they are in the right place, and directing them to Main Index or Search. But back to the questions, what are the pros and cons of using index.htm on image folders? Of using specifically an "HTTP 403" on image/index.htm ? What effects does it have on crawling? on indexing, specifically, will it keep images out of Google Images? If it keeps them out of Google Images, what effect (if any) does it have on pages that use those images? And is there any SEO effect, good or bad? Judy ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 09:57:35 +1200 From: "Barry Carlson" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Windows 10 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes Billie, No need to be the prophet of doom! ;-) I agree the Windows 10 default settings for their Updates are not ideal, but the solution is available in Settings as per the the following:- Click on the Windows 10 icon (left side of Taskbar) > Settings > Update & Security > Windows Update > Advanced options > Choose how updates are delivered > The slider should be On .. now select the Radio button marked - PCs on my local network. This prevents any outgoing updates traffic going on the Internet, and will only provide data to any other PCs that are classified as belonging to your Local Network (if you have one). You can now close the Windows dialogue page. Barry ----------------- On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 04:40:05 +1200, Billie Walsh via <[email protected]> wrote: > DO NOT INSTALL WINDOWS 10!!!!!! > > Especially if you have limited bandwidth internet connections. Windows > 10, by default, uses a system similar to Bittorrent > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent . What that means is that > Windows uses YOUR computer to feed files and updates to other peoples > computers. In effect they are stealing your internet bandwidth to > update other computers. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:09:50 -0500 From: Billie Walsh <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Windows 10 To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed What else did they hide they aren't telling anyone about till it's to late? On 08/03/2015 04:57 PM, Barry Carlson via wrote: > Billie, > > No need to be the prophet of doom! ;-) > > I agree the Windows 10 default settings for their Updates are not > ideal, but the solution is available in Settings as per the the > following:- > > Click on the Windows 10 icon (left side of Taskbar) > Settings > > Update & Security > Windows Update > Advanced options > Choose how > updates are delivered > > > The slider should be On > > .. now select the Radio button marked - PCs on my local network. > > This prevents any outgoing updates traffic going on the Internet, and > will only provide data to any other PCs that are classified as > belonging to your Local Network (if you have one). > > You can now close the Windows dialogue page. > > Barry > ----------------- > On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 04:40:05 +1200, Billie Walsh via > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> DO NOT INSTALL WINDOWS 10!!!!!! >> >> Especially if you have limited bandwidth internet connections. >> Windows 10, by default, uses a system similar to Bittorrent >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent . What that means is that >> Windows uses YOUR computer to feed files and updates to other peoples >> computers. In effect they are stealing your internet bandwidth to >> update other computers. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 22:17:15 -0700 From: Ray Farm <[email protected]> Subject: [FreeHelp] Problems To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I?m having problems seeing my counter on my webpage. This is the site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~farmray/Home/Welcome.html I don?t know what?s wrong. Please help. Ray [email protected] ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 02:10:57 -0400 From: JFlorian <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Problems To: Ray Farm <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Cc: Freepages <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Ray, Your URL of the main page of your site is http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~farmray/ which is the same as http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~farmray/index.htm or html Guestbooks, Counters, etc (generally) refer to that URL. And for most purposes the first page needs to be named "index.htm" or html I'm not sure how you're getting your main URL (above) to redirect to http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~farmray/Home/Welcome.html I'm not sure that's permitted, but Pat A. should know the answer. 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Yes, we do but our site is NOT on any of the rootweb servers. See http://www.frontpage-to-expression.com/ Click EBook owners from the lefthand menu. pat Has anyone published a part of a website as members only (not USGenWEb). I am trying to figure out if I have to have a database site to not have the data come up in a search engine and require a member login. My site is currently Drupal which is a nightmare to use and I trying to move the data to a flat file site, but need some of the data to not be open to the public or search engines.