Judy, When you are talking about the "border", you are effectively meaning the left/right "space" between the text and the table border. That is "padding", and you can reduce it, and at the same time increase the width. Or, if you want the available content area to be 800px, then declare that as the width, and left/right padding added will become the "space" between the "content" and the border. The CSS file I sorted out is at:- http://countjustonce.com/test/florian-pa-test.css When you post a page, I am not aware of what FP includes are in it. Barry ------------------- On 19/02/2016 10:48, JFlorian wrote: > Hi Barry, > Do you have a link to the new CSS you're referring to? > My focus isn't about the outermost border _per se_; It's about getting the content area wider (which then makes the outer border thinner). If the content area is narrow like it shows on the page below, I don't think it will work for the very wide photos and maps I need to transfer. That's my biggest concern. > I'm also confused why my example page (below) had any old codes, since it only contains css-appropriate tags (ids, classes, h2... no font tags, no garbage). > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pawashin/test_with_feb-09-2016_css-new.htm [1] This is the page I validated. Are there tags leftover that I overlooked? > I've been removing all garbage, fonts, etc. from every page (so that won't be a problem), while trying to figure out how to get the content area widened in the CSS and get display problems fixed with the search boxes, includes, etc. So at this point the site existing on my PC is "trash" without the CSS fixed. I haven't started moving content yet, fearing I'd make a bigger mess of things. > . > If it would help you to see them, I can transfer some map-photo content to the template above and upload them, so you can see my concern about the wide photos and atlas maps with the narrow content area. Would that help? > Judy Links: ------ [1] http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pawashin/test_with_feb-09-2016_css-new.htm