Judy, I've removed all attributes from the table tags, and given each table an id, e.g. tblOne, tblTwo and tblThree respectively. The new styles are in the head of the page, and there is a lot more to do to get the page to validate. The background-color you are searching for is #fcf7ee (pale pink), and is now the default background-color for the background-image in #tblOne. http://countjustonce.com/test/florian-pa-1.html You will need to cross-check your existing page with this new one, and make the appropriate changes; then fix up the remainder of the errors. Barry ---------------------- On 06/02/2016 22:22, JFlorian via wrote: > When Barry Carlson helped me with my freepages "genealogy" site, I > spent a > year converting the "genealogy" and "family" sites. Other than > problems > with nested lists, overall it turned into a pleasant change (though > with > lots of hard work). I couldn't have gotten past typing my name > without > Barry, Pat G, Pat A, Ralph and others on this list. > > I took the last several months off for a well-deserved css/html > vacation. > But now I'm ready to tackle my PAGenWeb site. I've tried before and > failed. So, hat in hand, could someone help me over the first > hurdle? > > I figured if I used Barry's css from "genealogy", it'd be easiest to > plug > in images and colors, *especially* because that css file contains the > Mobile code and ALL the table types and do-dads I'd need to build any > website. BUT-- I am already lost trying to do the 3-border layout. > > What I'm trying to mimic --- Of all the color combos tried before > *without > external CSS), I like the layout and colors the best on this non-css > page::: > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pawashin/migration-biographies/ohio/mahoning-co-ohio/boardman/reed_james.htm > > I don't like how table (border) #3 (innermost) leaves so much exposed > border on Table-Border #1. I do like the thinness of the hint of > border > between outermost and innermost. > > Just trying to deconstruct this page, I get lost. I feel stupid, but > here's the first question--- > What IS the image filename or color hex# used for the centermost > content > area on the page url I gave above? that light pinkish color... No > matter > what I pick from the code, I can't identify the right thing. And I > can't > get it to display from the new css file. > > Second, does that image or color get plugged into table 3 for content > area? > And, just where in the css do I plug it in? What line am I looking > for?? > > Could someone explain just what we did to get that thin border on the > 2nd > inner border, between 1-outermost and 3-content? > > And, how do I get less space showing on the outermost border, so > content is > wider? > > I'm getting lost between all the css-attempted files. Worse, I have > some > files from before already attached to x.css and some to xx.css files > that > were attempted in the past. I really want to get this site cleaned > up, > reorganized, and converted so I can just add content. > > I'll upload the new page and new css tomorrow evening after I delete > some > old files from online. > > Judy > > > --

Thank you Barry. I have a couple questions. Unsure of the correct wording for this -- On the page online, is the pink-content area expand-collapsable? Is that why so much background shows on the left?? Is there a way to set the content area to be the same size width on every page? I saved your example page and put it in Fp editor. It kept showing no body background--I messed with it for hours with no luck. But when I scrolled down, the background is there, but more than 3/4ths down the page with white space above. How do I make it show offline like it shows online? Judy

Judy, I have now been through the remainder of the page and sorted out most of the code so that it now validates as HTML5. Put it into FP and see what happens. As I have said before, I don't have FP, and at the end of the day if the browser can output the code correctly and it validates, why should I bother. http://countjustonce.com/test/florian-pa-1a.html ... is the new page,other tables and #tblThree has been replaced by a div id="foot-note". Barry ----------------------------- On 08/02/2016 19:34, JFlorian wrote: > Thank you Barry. I have a couple questions. > Unsure of the correct wording for this -- On the page online, is the pink-content area expand-collapsable? Is that why so much background shows on the left?? Is there a way to set the content area to be the same size width on every page? > I saved your example page and put it in Fp editor. It kept showing no body background--I messed with it for hours with no luck. But when I scrolled down, the background is there, but more than 3/4ths down the page with white space above. How do I make it show offline like it shows online? > Judy