I've gotten some interesting recent ideas from Charlie and Sara and Pat and others, and I'm anxious to try them. But today, I unexpectedly noticed I'm not in the C drive but rather F or D, which have been my backup drives, and the page appearance is different, e.g., the blue border on every page is gone. I don't want to change my Filezilla explorations if I'm risking putting it in a different drive. How do I ensure I'm back in the C drive? (Sorry if this is an amateur question.) -----Original Message----- From: freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 7:22 PM To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Subject: FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 13, Issue 210 Send FREEPAGES-HELP mailing list submissions to freepages-help@rootsweb.com To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body subscribe to freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and body unsubscribe to freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at freepages-help-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of FREEPAGES-HELP digest..." When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. 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Re: img floats - CSS for centering and text centering (Ralph Taylor) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 18:23:39 -0400 From: William Thompson <billthompson76@gmail.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: Identifying People for Site Searches (Ralph Taylor) To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAJb8BhbWc1Xv_dSajMH7YEMBLZ2ww9+uURWzC5DaUOK5-o-PJQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 18:27:53 -0400 From: William Thompson <billthompson76@gmail.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: Identifying People for Site Searches (Ralph Taylor) To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAJb8Bhbb6ftSt=6=qNKNn3SuN=+y2SbhJCUeYkRFaXmnGbzQ4w@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 11:22:00 -0400 From: William Thompson <billthompson76@gmail.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]Identifying People for Site Searches To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAJb8BhZ_HrA8tAD2vDDu86YnHw2_WbyvuxKN-cTsRpBiqaJxmg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I use a site search service that works the way it's supposed to -- matching words. My site has a lot of old letters. But when people try to search the site for references to them they usually are unsuccessful. For example, they want to find pages on my site that refer to John Q. Jones. But a document may refer to him as "John Jones", "J.Q. Jones", "Mr. Jones", "Uncle John". "father", etc. so the searcher comes up empty handed. In most cases, I have a link to that person's entry in my WorldConnect tree, but the contents of anchor tags aren't searched. Obviously I can add a note to each document saying "[This document mentions: John Q. Jones, Sally (Brown) Smith, ..." But that's rather obtrusive. Neither HTML comments or CSS comments are searched, but is there a way to add "index terms" to a page that will be searched, but not display when just viewing the page? I thought of making the text white, so it will be "invisible", but I'm not sure that would work on everyone's device, browser, etc. Surely others have encountered and dealt with this problem. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 13:08:35 -0400 From: JFlorian <cageycat@gmail.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: Identifying People for Site Searches To: Freepages Web Sites <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAE5hz-DC0q6CUjjTW-Jq7_xE2kKprNOjWYsSphXAyx4ncgLAXg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Bite the bullet and transcribe the letters and annotate the text. ...father [John Q. Jones] -- put it right into the text. ------------------------------ 1. Thanks for the suggestion. The letters are transcribed. That's why the site search (I'm currently using FreeFind) works. But it only works if the words in the query are exact matches. Most of the names have been turned into links, so when reading a page, it's easy to click and find out who is being referred to. It's not a matter of avoiding work, it's a matter of minimizing the obtrusiveness -- both in terms of the flow of reading and preserving the look of the original. But letting the browsers do their thing without trying to impose the kind of control you can get with word processing or desk top publishing. Your suggestion certainly does allow searching -- but still requires the search to guess what to search for. I was hoping to add multiple index term, such as "John Quincy Jones", "John Jones" and sometimes "J. Quincy Jones" -- without cumbering up the page with a lot of distracting text when many people are referred to.. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 16:40:46 -0600 From: "Ralph Taylor" <rt-sails@comcast.net> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: Identifying People for Site Searches To: <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <0C02CE9FE2AE46099E9728AC309D923F@Rt2013PC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What you're bumping up against is the "literality" of computers. "John O. Jones" is not identical to "John Jones". This is a problem I face in my Taylor Family Genes site; it has a sub-directory devoted to user-submitted family trees, https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.TaylorFamilyGenes.in fo_fam-2Dtrees&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx 1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=ylzZ5g8rHKaN_O47rHEvpvhn0S6H9M-Hp3zOqGh7kuc&s=LPKirS4c_ JxYmLsS_evU8JcG6Zhf0oAQAmJNfuCGkYY&e=. To facilitate search-engine performance, I edit name and date information to put it in standardized form. (Submitters use too many different conventions.) I don't think you should change original documents to make them fit the search engine. But you could add name-varaint labels to the docs to make them findable. Sort of like putting "keywords" in a meta tag. If each document is in a separate file (and then "included"), you could you could use meta tags in the head section to help the search engine. Your labels wold not be visible on the page but they would render the file findable. ------------------------------ Ralph, Thanks for understanding why I don't want to clutter the reader's screen with a lot o index terms, And I do use meta tags (but peraps not enough to help people wo are doing web searches with Google, Yahoo, etc. to find my pages. But that's not what I'm asking about. My question has to do with people who are already on my family history web site, and want to search withing it for names of people. The search tool I've installed is "FreeFind", but I think it's competitors all work pretty much the same. They ignore the contents of HTML tags. So either I do someting visible like add a superscript footnote number in te main text and then put the names in visible text that both humans and the FreeFind software can read. Or, I somehow make it invisible to humans (such as white letters on a white background - which would let the site search software find it. Surely others who use site search services have grappled with this issue. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 17:45:25 -0500 From: Charles Carothers <csquared71@gmail.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]Filezilla help To: Freepages Help <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAGmaTgzJ=GkO+kE4nGswOZc7x5XveRRaAzmX3E6FH0eu=wJAgw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 11:30:22 -0400 > From: "Neil Boyer" <naboyer@comcast.net> > Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 13, Issue 208 - > More Filezilla > To: <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "'Neil A. Boyer '" <naboyer@comcast.net>, 'Johanna Misey Boyer ' > <johannaboyer@hotmail.com> > Message-ID: <004901d43bbf$604c1c20$20e45460$@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > Many thanks to Charlie and Pat Geary for their continuing efforts to help me. > > > > A couple of miscellaneous notes: > > > >> Let me note first that there have been several references to Pat's Geary family > > > > pub > > lishing guidance on how to use filezilla. Sorry to say this, but > > > > https://www.ancestry.com/academy/course/connect-rootsweb-filezilla does not work for me. > > > > The pictures are all blurry and the sound unintelligible. Maybe it's my computer but > > guidance on Filezilla must come from elsewhere. This doesn't help. I've tried it half a > > dozen times. > > The sound is not great on that video. I think it's fuzzy because it's windows - which has been fuzzy IMNSHO since 7. Of course I'm having cataract surgery next Tuesday, so my Not So Humble Opinion may change after that, though I doubt it. :-) I don't think you really need to watch the video anyway - just continue to try things until there is success. > > > > > > Second, under guidance from Charlie, I've been poking around my files and I found a > > document with file size of 1,737,528 -- huge and far larger than almost anything else > > on my computer. This aroused my suspicion that that large ile was jamming my efforts to > > use filezilla. Maybe not. What was it? It was my 2007 obituary for my long-gone dog > > Ruff Boyer. Big obit. Poor guy. He bit me and now maybe he broke my Filezilla. > > I hope that right now you are just uploading one file, in which case your wogger's obit (awwww) would have no effect. You are editing and uploading index.html, right? If not, I strongly suggest you concentrate on only that file for now. That is the one that contains your "Revised September 6, 2010" text. By doing a Ctrl-u on your home page, I can see that date on line 24 of that file. How about for an experiment you edit that to August 24, 2018 and I will look again and see if I see the change? Maybe that will tell us something. You may already know this; if so my apologies. Not only is there a default and required directory, there is a default and required file as the "root" of your web site. That file is index.html. While not required, you can add that to the path in your browser just after boyerlinks/. I just did that and it works, showing me the same page. For right now, that is the only file I would suggest you edit and upload. > > > > > > I found the remote directory tree, as Charlie recommended, and clicking on Upload > > in the left pane on one of my files did produce the message "Target File Already Exists." > > I chose to override, and the file said "Transfers finished." > > Super! Exactly what you want to see!!! > > > > > > And then I went to Firefox and put in what I believe to be my url, and I get only > > old files, not the new one I uploaded today. I think perhaps I don't know where to look to find the updated file from Kompozer, or perhaps it's just not there. I can open it with the URL you gave me off-line and the links all work, but if I look at what I think is the uploaded revised website, nothing new appears. I think the Kompozer and Filezilla files are the same, and so I guess I have not yet found the source of my problem. I won't pursue the public.html directory idea, since you seem to agree that wasn't the issue. > > > > > > Thanks again for your efforts. > > > > > > Neil > > The URL I am using for your site, and now have bookmarked :-) is: https://sites.rootsweb.com/~boyerlinks/index.html The index.html is implied and is optional. Works great with or without it. I tend to agree with someone else who replied that the file you are editing is likely not the one you are uploading. We will get there, soon I predict! And you are quite welcome! Best regards, Charlie C. <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__freebiblecommentary.org &d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLz ZS9o&m=PT8jQ1_Cu-JvELfsP8gA--Q9XIk6NywiDAyMWk7bshA&s=OgbrmGIN_eWIEceOoT1wA-9 mfEFTYt-Pl6pf3feeS8Q&e=> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 18:48:55 -0400 From: Pat Asher <pasher@ee.net> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: Identifying People for Site Searches (Ralph Taylor) To: Freepages Web Sites <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <201808242251.w7OMlOj9020346@mx0a-002f8e01.pphosted.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Most search engines default to AND. So that if the search entry is John Q. Jones, your search engine will look for John + Q+ Jones and deliver somewhat relevant results, including those that include only John + Jones, or only +Jones. I don't know of any search engine that will assume "Mr." or "Uncle" or "father" is part of the search parameter, and if your visitors are using those search terms, it is up to you to educate your visitors as to how searches can and do work. You can explain that they can search for "John Q. Jones" enclosed in quotes, and their searches will return only that precise sequence of letters and spaces. OTOH, the entry John Q. Jones will default to AND and return results for "John," "Q," and "Jones" without any attempt to tie them together. Freefind has a page explaining how their (and many) search engines work at <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.freefind.com_search tipspop.html&d=DwIBAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1p xsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=uvYOcPGQ7L-CJxeRChCuibc3QmO0aDfX4sBcUvjx3Z0&s=tMNHSi2UEy6 mLQAvAXsqjO7IfRmLPD_YnhEPwjkR3iM&e=> You might want to educate your site visitors by referring them there. Pat A. At 06:27 PM 8/24/2018, William Thompson wrote: >Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 11:22:00 -0400 >From: William Thompson <billthompson76@gmail.com> >Subject: [FreeHelp]Identifying People for Site Searches >To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: > <CAJb8BhZ_HrA8tAD2vDDu86YnHw2_WbyvuxKN-cTsRpBiqaJxmg@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >I use a site search service that works the way it's supposed to -- matching >words. My site has a lot of old letters. But when people try to search the >site for references to them they usually are unsuccessful. For example, >they want to find pages on my site that refer to John Q. Jones. But a >document may refer to him as "John Jones", "J.Q. Jones", "Mr. Jones", >"Uncle John". "father", etc. so the searcher comes up empty handed. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 17:52:12 -0500 From: Charles Carothers <csquared71@gmail.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]Filezilla help To: Freepages Help <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAGmaTgwWv6o=gJWQ-ckBCSPykiiu=G=QHLk3GQRe0m9vgJ=K-w@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Forgot to say also to Neil that index.html *must *be in the genealogy_html directory on the host side at least. (In order to preserve sanity, it needs to be there on the local side as well. :-)) If it's not there on the host side, it won't be found. This could very well be why the browser brings up the older copy of the file. Best regards, -- Charlie Carothers <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__freebiblecommentary.org &d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLz ZS9o&m=n4P30Ur77PHjByEVCtWrM-uwm8irigq16_lLzlyuOhg&s=7cRfxfdb13EUbBLHOxI3MMO xVzFxsLhdDxD-c9wU3kQ&e=> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 19:02:36 -0400 From: Pat Asher <pasher@ee.net> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: Filezilla help To: Freepages Web Sites <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <201808242303.w7ON2MkR032082@mx0a-002f8e01.pphosted.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:52 PM 8/24/2018, Charles Carothers wrote: >Forgot to say also to Neil that index.html *must *be in the genealogy_html >directory on the host side at least. (In order to preserve sanity, it needs >to be there on the local side as well. :-)) If it's not there on the host >side, it won't be found. This could very well be why the browser brings up >the older copy of the file. Assuming you are using a Windows OS, There is one other thing that has not been mentioned, but can drive webmasters nuts - and that is caching by your browser. If you have uploaded a revised version of a page to the server, and you are not seeing the updated version, try CTRL+F5 in your browser. A browser can be Internet Explorer, Chrome, Firefox, etc. F5 does a standard reload. Ctrl+F5 forces your browser to ignore your cache and download the page (that you might have updated) from the server so you see what is actually residing on the server. Pat A. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 17:21:56 -0600 From: "Ralph Taylor" <rt-sails@comcast.net> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: img floats - CSS for centering and text centering To: <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <141A3677A98E4293A5FDE554A6196821@Rt2013PC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I don't get "float" and "center". The float property has four possible values: 1. left, 2. right, 3. none, and 4. inherit. You can float an element to the left or to the right; you can float it not float it at all; or you can have the float inherited (left, right or none). What float accomplishes is to free up vertical space and allow other following content to flow into the freed space. Say, you want a picture on the left and a paragraph beside it on its right; float can do that. Float doesn't include centering; that's left to "align". (The W3C page on align seems misleading.) You can, of course, center-align the content of floated elements. To center-align text within a floated element, include the property text-align: center. And, you really don't need CSS to do in two steps what you can do with HTML in one step. To center an image, I use <.p align=center> or <.div align=center>, followed by the image tag and then closed. This centers both image and text within the element. To do the same thing with CSS, I'd have to set up a class with the CSS properties and then call the class to invoke the properties. -rt_/) ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer -To contact the freepages-help list administrator, send an email to freepages-help-admin@rootsweb.com. -To post a message to the freepages-help mailing list, send an email to freepages-help@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to freepages-help-leave@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. ------------------------------ End of FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 13, Issue 210 ***********************************************

My apologies. I hit send to soon and forgot to delete all of the many posts from my response. Pat G. -----Original Message----- From: Neil Boyer [mailto:naboyer@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 4:43 PM To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 13, Issue 210 Filezilla and MyDrives I've gotten some interesting recent ideas from Charlie and Sara and Pat and others, and I'm anxious to try them. But today, I unexpectedly noticed I'm not in the C drive but rather F or D, which have been my backup drives, and the page appearance is different, e.g., the blue border on every page is gone. I don't want to change my Filezilla explorations if I'm risking putting it in a different drive. How do I ensure I'm back in the C drive? (Sorry if this is an amateur question.)

Neil, which drive are yours files on for the site you are editing? That is the drive that should show for your Local Site in Filezilla. File > Site Manager > Select the site you have already set up to connect to the server Under the Advanced Tab > Default Local Directory Click Browse Navigate to the Correct Drive/ Folder on YOUR computer Clicking the UP Arrow will take you up to the next level > Once you get to the C Drive, you can then browse to where your files are. Pat G -----Original Message----- From: Neil Boyer [mailto:naboyer@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 4:43 PM To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 13, Issue 210 Filezilla and MyDrives I've gotten some interesting recent ideas from Charlie and Sara and Pat and others, and I'm anxious to try them. But today, I unexpectedly noticed I'm not in the C drive but rather F or D, which have been my backup drives, and the page appearance is different, e.g., the blue border on every page is gone. I don't want to change my Filezilla explorations if I'm risking putting it in a different drive. How do I ensure I'm back in the C drive? (Sorry if this is an amateur question.) -----Original Message----- From: freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 7:22 PM To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Subject: FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 13, Issue 210 Send FREEPAGES-HELP mailing list submissions to freepages-help@rootsweb.com To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body subscribe to freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and body unsubscribe to freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at freepages-help-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of FREEPAGES-HELP digest..." When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. ***FREEPAGES HELP & FAQ*** <http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/FAQ/fpindex.html> Today's Topics: 1. Re: Identifying People for Site Searches (Ralph Taylor) (William Thompson) 2. Re: Identifying People for Site Searches (Ralph Taylor) (William Thompson) 3. Filezilla help (Charles Carothers) 4. Re: Identifying People for Site Searches (Ralph Taylor) (Pat Asher) 5. Filezilla help (Charles Carothers) 6. Re: Filezilla help (Pat Asher) 7. Re: img floats - CSS for centering and text centering (Ralph Taylor) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 18:23:39 -0400 From: William Thompson <billthompson76@gmail.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: Identifying People for Site Searches (Ralph Taylor) To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAJb8BhbWc1Xv_dSajMH7YEMBLZ2ww9+uURWzC5DaUOK5-o-PJQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 18:27:53 -0400 From: William Thompson <billthompson76@gmail.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: Identifying People for Site Searches (Ralph Taylor) To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAJb8Bhbb6ftSt=6=qNKNn3SuN=+y2SbhJCUeYkRFaXmnGbzQ4w@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 11:22:00 -0400 From: William Thompson <billthompson76@gmail.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]Identifying People for Site Searches To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAJb8BhZ_HrA8tAD2vDDu86YnHw2_WbyvuxKN-cTsRpBiqaJxmg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I use a site search service that works the way it's supposed to -- matching words. My site has a lot of old letters. But when people try to search the site for references to them they usually are unsuccessful. For example, they want to find pages on my site that refer to John Q. Jones. But a document may refer to him as "John Jones", "J.Q. Jones", "Mr. Jones", "Uncle John". "father", etc. so the searcher comes up empty handed. In most cases, I have a link to that person's entry in my WorldConnect tree, but the contents of anchor tags aren't searched. Obviously I can add a note to each document saying "[This document mentions: John Q. Jones, Sally (Brown) Smith, ..." But that's rather obtrusive. Neither HTML comments or CSS comments are searched, but is there a way to add "index terms" to a page that will be searched, but not display when just viewing the page? I thought of making the text white, so it will be "invisible", but I'm not sure that would work on everyone's device, browser, etc. Surely others have encountered and dealt with this problem. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 13:08:35 -0400 From: JFlorian <cageycat@gmail.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: Identifying People for Site Searches To: Freepages Web Sites <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAE5hz-DC0q6CUjjTW-Jq7_xE2kKprNOjWYsSphXAyx4ncgLAXg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Bite the bullet and transcribe the letters and annotate the text. ...father [John Q. Jones] -- put it right into the text. ------------------------------ 1. Thanks for the suggestion. The letters are transcribed. That's why the site search (I'm currently using FreeFind) works. But it only works if the words in the query are exact matches. Most of the names have been turned into links, so when reading a page, it's easy to click and find out who is being referred to. It's not a matter of avoiding work, it's a matter of minimizing the obtrusiveness -- both in terms of the flow of reading and preserving the look of the original. But letting the browsers do their thing without trying to impose the kind of control you can get with word processing or desk top publishing. Your suggestion certainly does allow searching -- but still requires the search to guess what to search for. I was hoping to add multiple index term, such as "John Quincy Jones", "John Jones" and sometimes "J. Quincy Jones" -- without cumbering up the page with a lot of distracting text when many people are referred to.. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 16:40:46 -0600 From: "Ralph Taylor" <rt-sails@comcast.net> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: Identifying People for Site Searches To: <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <0C02CE9FE2AE46099E9728AC309D923F@Rt2013PC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What you're bumping up against is the "literality" of computers. "John O. Jones" is not identical to "John Jones". This is a problem I face in my Taylor Family Genes site; it has a sub-directory devoted to user-submitted family trees, https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.TaylorFamilyGenes.in fo_fam-2Dtrees&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx 1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=ylzZ5g8rHKaN_O47rHEvpvhn0S6H9M-Hp3zOqGh7kuc&s=LPKirS4c_ JxYmLsS_evU8JcG6Zhf0oAQAmJNfuCGkYY&e=. To facilitate search-engine performance, I edit name and date information to put it in standardized form. (Submitters use too many different conventions.) I don't think you should change original documents to make them fit the search engine. But you could add name-varaint labels to the docs to make them findable. Sort of like putting "keywords" in a meta tag. If each document is in a separate file (and then "included"), you could you could use meta tags in the head section to help the search engine. Your labels wold not be visible on the page but they would render the file findable. ------------------------------ Ralph, Thanks for understanding why I don't want to clutter the reader's screen with a lot o index terms, And I do use meta tags (but peraps not enough to help people wo are doing web searches with Google, Yahoo, etc. to find my pages. But that's not what I'm asking about. My question has to do with people who are already on my family history web site, and want to search withing it for names of people. The search tool I've installed is "FreeFind", but I think it's competitors all work pretty much the same. They ignore the contents of HTML tags. So either I do someting visible like add a superscript footnote number in te main text and then put the names in visible text that both humans and the FreeFind software can read. Or, I somehow make it invisible to humans (such as white letters on a white background - which would let the site search software find it. Surely others who use site search services have grappled with this issue. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 17:45:25 -0500 From: Charles Carothers <csquared71@gmail.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]Filezilla help To: Freepages Help <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAGmaTgzJ=GkO+kE4nGswOZc7x5XveRRaAzmX3E6FH0eu=wJAgw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 11:30:22 -0400 > From: "Neil Boyer" <naboyer@comcast.net> > Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 13, Issue 208 - > More Filezilla > To: <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "'Neil A. Boyer '" <naboyer@comcast.net>, 'Johanna Misey Boyer ' > <johannaboyer@hotmail.com> > Message-ID: <004901d43bbf$604c1c20$20e45460$@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > Many thanks to Charlie and Pat Geary for their continuing efforts to help me. > > > > A couple of miscellaneous notes: > > > >> Let me note first that there have been several references to Pat's Geary family > > > > pub > > lishing guidance on how to use filezilla. Sorry to say this, but > > > > https://www.ancestry.com/academy/course/connect-rootsweb-filezilla > > does not work for me. > > > > The pictures are all blurry and the sound unintelligible. Maybe > > it's my computer but > > guidance on Filezilla must come from elsewhere. This doesn't help. > I've tried it half a > > dozen times. > > The sound is not great on that video. I think it's fuzzy because it's windows - which has been fuzzy IMNSHO since 7. Of course I'm having cataract surgery next Tuesday, so my Not So Humble Opinion may change after that, though I doubt it. :-) I don't think you really need to watch the video anyway - just continue to try things until there is success. > > > > > > Second, under guidance from Charlie, I've been poking around my > > > files and I found a > > document with file size of 1,737,528 -- huge and far larger than > almost anything else > > on my computer. This aroused my suspicion that that large ile was > jamming my efforts to > > use filezilla. Maybe not. What was it? It was my 2007 obituary for > my long-gone dog > > Ruff Boyer. Big obit. Poor guy. He bit me and now maybe he broke my Filezilla. > > I hope that right now you are just uploading one file, in which case > your wogger's obit (awwww) would have no effect. You are editing and uploading index.html, right? If not, I strongly suggest you concentrate on only that file for now. That is the one that contains your "Revised September 6, 2010" text. By doing a Ctrl-u on your home page, I can see that date on line 24 of that file. How about for an experiment you edit that to August 24, 2018 and I will look again and see if I see the change? Maybe that will tell us something. You may already know this; if so my apologies. Not only is there a default and required directory, there is a default and required file as the "root" of your web site. That file is index.html. While not required, you can add that to the path in your browser just after boyerlinks/. I just did that and it works, showing me the same page. For right now, that is the only file I would suggest you edit and upload. > > > > > > I found the remote directory tree, as Charlie recommended, and clicking on Upload > > in the left pane on one of my files did produce the message "Target > File Already Exists." > > I chose to override, and the file said "Transfers finished." > > Super! Exactly what you want to see!!! > > > > > > And then I went to Firefox and put in what I believe to be my url, > > > and I get only > > old files, not the new one I uploaded today. I think perhaps I don't > know where to look to find the updated file from Kompozer, or perhaps it's just not there. I can open it with the URL you gave me off-line and the links all work, but if I look at what I think is the uploaded revised website, nothing new appears. I think the Kompozer and Filezilla files are the same, and so I guess I have not yet found the source of my problem. I won't pursue the public.html directory idea, since you seem to agree that wasn't the issue. > > > > > > Thanks again for your efforts. > > > > > > Neil > > The URL I am using for your site, and now have bookmarked :-) is: https://sites.rootsweb.com/~boyerlinks/index.html The index.html is implied and is optional. Works great with or without it. I tend to agree with someone else who replied that the file you are editing is likely not the one you are uploading. We will get there, soon I predict! And you are quite welcome! Best regards, Charlie C. <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__freebiblecommentary.org &d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLz ZS9o&m=PT8jQ1_Cu-JvELfsP8gA--Q9XIk6NywiDAyMWk7bshA&s=OgbrmGIN_eWIEceOoT1wA-9 mfEFTYt-Pl6pf3feeS8Q&e=> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 18:48:55 -0400 From: Pat Asher <pasher@ee.net> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: Identifying People for Site Searches (Ralph Taylor) To: Freepages Web Sites <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <201808242251.w7OMlOj9020346@mx0a-002f8e01.pphosted.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Most search engines default to AND. So that if the search entry is John Q. Jones, your search engine will look for John + Q+ Jones and deliver somewhat relevant results, including those that include only John + Jones, or only +Jones. I don't know of any search engine that will assume "Mr." or "Uncle" or "father" is part of the search parameter, and if your visitors are using those search terms, it is up to you to educate your visitors as to how searches can and do work. You can explain that they can search for "John Q. Jones" enclosed in quotes, and their searches will return only that precise sequence of letters and spaces. OTOH, the entry John Q. Jones will default to AND and return results for "John," "Q," and "Jones" without any attempt to tie them together. Freefind has a page explaining how their (and many) search engines work at <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.freefind.com_search tipspop.html&d=DwIBAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1p xsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=uvYOcPGQ7L-CJxeRChCuibc3QmO0aDfX4sBcUvjx3Z0&s=tMNHSi2UEy6 mLQAvAXsqjO7IfRmLPD_YnhEPwjkR3iM&e=> You might want to educate your site visitors by referring them there. Pat A. At 06:27 PM 8/24/2018, William Thompson wrote: >Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 11:22:00 -0400 >From: William Thompson <billthompson76@gmail.com> >Subject: [FreeHelp]Identifying People for Site Searches >To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: > <CAJb8BhZ_HrA8tAD2vDDu86YnHw2_WbyvuxKN-cTsRpBiqaJxmg@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >I use a site search service that works the way it's supposed to -- matching >words. My site has a lot of old letters. But when people try to search the >site for references to them they usually are unsuccessful. For example, >they want to find pages on my site that refer to John Q. Jones. But a >document may refer to him as "John Jones", "J.Q. Jones", "Mr. Jones", >"Uncle John". "father", etc. so the searcher comes up empty handed. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 17:52:12 -0500 From: Charles Carothers <csquared71@gmail.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]Filezilla help To: Freepages Help <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAGmaTgwWv6o=gJWQ-ckBCSPykiiu=G=QHLk3GQRe0m9vgJ=K-w@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Forgot to say also to Neil that index.html *must *be in the genealogy_html directory on the host side at least. (In order to preserve sanity, it needs to be there on the local side as well. :-)) If it's not there on the host side, it won't be found. This could very well be why the browser brings up the older copy of the file. Best regards, -- Charlie Carothers <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__freebiblecommentary.org &d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLz ZS9o&m=n4P30Ur77PHjByEVCtWrM-uwm8irigq16_lLzlyuOhg&s=7cRfxfdb13EUbBLHOxI3MMO xVzFxsLhdDxD-c9wU3kQ&e=> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 19:02:36 -0400 From: Pat Asher <pasher@ee.net> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: Filezilla help To: Freepages Web Sites <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <201808242303.w7ON2MkR032082@mx0a-002f8e01.pphosted.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:52 PM 8/24/2018, Charles Carothers wrote: >Forgot to say also to Neil that index.html *must *be in the genealogy_html >directory on the host side at least. (In order to preserve sanity, it needs >to be there on the local side as well. :-)) If it's not there on the host >side, it won't be found. This could very well be why the browser brings up >the older copy of the file. Assuming you are using a Windows OS, There is one other thing that has not been mentioned, but can drive webmasters nuts - and that is caching by your browser. If you have uploaded a revised version of a page to the server, and you are not seeing the updated version, try CTRL+F5 in your browser. A browser can be Internet Explorer, Chrome, Firefox, etc. F5 does a standard reload. Ctrl+F5 forces your browser to ignore your cache and download the page (that you might have updated) from the server so you see what is actually residing on the server. Pat A. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 17:21:56 -0600 From: "Ralph Taylor" <rt-sails@comcast.net> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: img floats - CSS for centering and text centering To: <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <141A3677A98E4293A5FDE554A6196821@Rt2013PC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I don't get "float" and "center". The float property has four possible values: 1. left, 2. right, 3. none, and 4. inherit. You can float an element to the left or to the right; you can float it not float it at all; or you can have the float inherited (left, right or none). What float accomplishes is to free up vertical space and allow other following content to flow into the freed space. Say, you want a picture on the left and a paragraph beside it on its right; float can do that. Float doesn't include centering; that's left to "align". (The W3C page on align seems misleading.) You can, of course, center-align the content of floated elements. To center-align text within a floated element, include the property text-align: center. And, you really don't need CSS to do in two steps what you can do with HTML in one step. To center an image, I use <.p align=center> or <.div align=center>, followed by the image tag and then closed. This centers both image and text within the element. 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