Lorrie, I am really very foggy on what it is I'm trying to set. LOL! I'm used to installing worpdress/joomla a database and editing the css a bit. So trying to figure out what to set to get the includes to show localy is making my head spin. I tried to follow the instructions here. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/howto/htaccess.html I checked the apache mods and the includes is turned on. I made a .htaccess file with the following code in it. Options +Includes AddType text/html shtml AddHandler server-parsed shtml But it doesn't change anything that I can see. I've tried placing this in the WAMP web root folder and in the project folder. On another note I downloaded one of Pat's templates here. http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/css-layouts/fixed-width-templates.htmI copied out the code for the left menu and put it in a text file. Linked it in with the includes code and it shows up just find on rootsweb. Youcan see it here http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kmills/test/test3/I've tried compairing the code in that template to the one I was working on, but I can't see why my other template isn't working. I gave links to them in my last email. If I have to I'll just edit that template until I get what I want. BUT I should be able to just do that with my basic template to. It's really bugging me that it's not working...Thanks,Kim> ----- Original Message -----> From: "Lorrie Laskey" <lrmalcom@bellsouth.net>> Cc: <freepages-help@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 3:17 PM> Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] include files?>>>> Kim,>>>> What file extensions did you configure the server on your local machine>> to check for includes directives? .html? .shtml? .htm? or possibly all>> files?>>>> Lorrie> ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3441 - Release Date: 02/13/11