Pat, What I did so far is to put your new css side-by-side with your old css so I could put the items back on separate lines like you had it before. It's easier for me to see and find things that are on separate lines, rather than having the entire line continue to the right. It also let me compare the spots I'd changed before for the color vs. where you put color codes your new file. I think I may have wrongly tried the dark color as the inner portion before. Then, after seeing that the two are basically the same files, I replaced my css file with yours (same name), and made your file page a template. The few pages I started were already linked to rd.css but when I opened them with your rd.css, it still has the wrong colors in the wrong spots. The only differences on these pages vs. your new template is I added the _includes before on those. So, if MY page is "wrong" with the new css, does that mean some HTML in the page was wrong, or something in the _include -- or both? The second problem, on the Original CSS and my template, the head-banner area looked like a rectangular "box" with a line under it. See http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~florian/ See the bottom line? On your new template, that "line" was sitting right along the top of the "table", right above the left navigation and "content" area, see http://www.css-layouts.org/judy/pat.html I wasn't sure how to make that line move upward; I ended up putting in this (is it right to do it this way?): * <!-- end of masthead --> <...div> <....p align="center"><....a marquee instruction></p> <...p>several lines of text</p> <...p align="left">more text.</p> <.../div> <...table class="main"> * That line is now under the head-banner, with text below, then the nav and content area. BUT, when I tried to insert my _includes/top.htm and checked it in Preview, then the contents of banner _includes is written OVER the div and text I inserted. Again, does this mean my _includes top is written wrong? (It only has the usual head, body, etc.) Or, is the CSS creating the conflict in that area? The bottom includes (flags and copyright) enter fine and have just a little space below the nav/content area of the template. Regarding the includes/top.html I had planned to reduce the image on my test page and put it in the same position as the one on http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~florian/ And to be able to add an H1 below the "top" include for "this page's title". But so far, I can't keep the text / image of the top (banner) "include" from superimposing over the H1 text. How do I keep that space between the _includes/top.htm and the line that makes the top of the nav and content area? Lastly, with the nav/content areas being "expandable", how much content is a reasonable amount inside that box? If I have more content, is it ok to continue it below the "box" set up for nav and content (and before the footer)? Or should any more content be split into a 2nd page? I have a few photos that go with the content so I'm worried the info will stretch the "content" area too far downward. Putting the rest below the "box" seems a reasonable alternative as long as it's before the "content" area ends in the code, right? Or, maybe I could put just the images on a second page and link the text to the images? One other thing. One of the old pages was made with Frames -- which I want to get rid of. Do I just copy the content from each frame, check the coding, and then plug the content into a CSS-based page? Are there certain codes that make Frames that I should be aware of and be sure to remove? Judy -- -- WASHINGTON COUNTY PA WEBSITES::: http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~florian/