unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: <freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com> To: <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:00 AM Subject: FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 6, Issue 1 > > > When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to > which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. > Remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the > message subject to which you are replying. > ***FREEPAGES HELP & FAQ*** > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/FAQ/fpindex.html > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: FrontPage 2003 and Frame pages (Banner and Contents) > (J.A. Florian) > 2. Re: FrontPage 2003 and Frame pages (Banner and Contents) > (Patricia Geary) > 3. Re: FrontPage 2003 and Frame pages (Banner and Contents) > (Patricia Geary) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 07:57:59 -0500 > From: "J.A. Florian" <cageycat@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] FrontPage 2003 and Frame pages (Banner and > Contents) > To: Blair LeMire <lemirefh@gmail.com>, Pat Geary <pat@the-gearys.com> > Cc: FREEPAGES-HELP@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <AANLkTikn+_TscfvxJjJDKyE1j505EoWom808tAwJE8FR@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Blair, > > I'm not very experienced but what I've read on this List is something like > the Rootsweb banners on top look for the closed head <.../head> and > opening > body tag </...body> Likewise, the bottom banner looks for the closed > body > <.../body> and closed <.../html> tag. When the RW server reads those > tags or triggers, it inserts the banner right after. For the same > reasons, > when one or some of those tags are missing the Rootsweb banners seem to > "go > anywhere", where Rootsweb's code tries to figure out the right place. Or, > sometimes when a webmaster used two closing tags as duplicates, then > Rootsweb shows double banners where the error occurred whether on top or > bottom. > > Since frames rely on each frame having its own complete html (from open to > close of the html tag and the body tag), the Rootsweb banner will show in > every frame. Possibly Rootsweb wasn't using these banners when you did > your > last website using frames? > > I've also read on this list that, generally in web design, frames are not > used as much now and are undesirable--mostly because there are other ways > using html coding or CSS to achieve what you want to do, and because > frames > cause troubles for viewing. I don't know enough on this topic to say > more, > but the experts on this list can explain the issues with frames very well. > > I will say that Pat Greary has made fabulous templates in CSS that she has > offered (free) to webmasters here. But this morning, I can't find her > link > to the templates. I'm sure if she isn't busy on this holiday weekend that > she'll post her links for you. I was not convinced about using CSS, but > I've never had problems with Pat's templates and can see there's a big > difference in how CSS looks compared to my other basic html pages. The > only > reason I haven't switched all my old pages to her CSS page is that I lack > the time and energy to re-do all my old/older pages, and as well, I still > don't understand much CSS to start adding to or changing Pat's template. > But I wish all my older pages were done with Pat's template. So do look > into this; it may save you time and headaches encountered with using > frames. > > Judy > > On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Blair LeMire <lemirefh@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sorry if I'm describing things wrong but I'm new to webpage design. >> >> Ok here it goes...I'm working on a webpage using FrontPage 2003 and my >> layout uses frames. one window on top (header), one window to the left >> Contents) and a main window on the right (my family history stuff). >> Each window is an individual html file. When I upload it to my server >> space I get this: >> >> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lemirefh/the_lemire_family_tree_index.htm >> . >> >> Each window has the hosted by rootsweb and Leaning centers at >> Ancestry.com links in it which is fine of course but I was hoping to >> only have it show up on the bottom of the main window on the right. >> This worked previously when I had a webpage with only one window. Can >> I have the Roots links only show up in the main window on the right? >> >> Thanks for any help, >> Blair LeMire >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:24:12 -0500 > From: Patricia Geary <patgeary@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] FrontPage 2003 and Frame pages (Banner and > Contents) > To: Blair LeMire <lemirefh@gmail.com>, FREEPAGES-HELP@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <201012311324.oBVDOFMq022334@mail.rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 01:11 AM 12/31/2010, Blair LeMire wrote: >>http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lemirefh/the_lemire_family_tree_index.htm. >> >>Each window has the hosted by rootsweb and Leaning centers at >>Ancestry.com links in it which is fine of course but I was hoping to >>only have it show up on the bottom of the main window on the right. >>This worked previously when I had a webpage with only one window. Can >>I have the Roots links only show up in the main window on the right? > ============ > That is one of the main problems with using frames on a website at > RootsWeb among other things. Since you are using Fp2003, you have the > ability to use a Dynamic Web Template (DWT). You might be interested > in reading this article on Using Frames and converting to a DWT. > > http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/frames/framed-website.html > > Pat > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:44:53 -0500 > From: Patricia Geary <patgeary@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] FrontPage 2003 and Frame pages (Banner and > Contents) > To: FREEPAGES-HELP@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <201012311344.oBVDisWo029105@mail.rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 07:57 AM 12/31/2010, J.A. Florian wrote: >>I will say that Pat Greary has made fabulous templates in CSS that >>she has offered (free) to webmasters here. But this morning, I >>can't find her link to the templates. I'm sure if she isn't busy on >>this holiday weekend that she'll post her links for you. I was not >>convinced about using CSS, but I've never had problems with Pat's >>templates and can see there's a big difference in how CSS looks >>compared to my other basic html pages. The only reason I haven't >>switched all my old pages to her CSS page is that I lack the time >>and energy to re-do all my old/older pages, and as well, I still >>don't understand much CSS to start adding to or changing Pat's >>template. But I wish all my older pages were done with Pat's >>template. So do look into this; it may save you time and headaches >>encountered with using frames. > ============= > > Thanks Judy, > > These should work for any web editor and all are free. > > Liquid Layout Templates > http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/css-layouts/ > > Fixed Width Layouts > http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/css-layouts/fixed-width-templates.htm > > These require FrontPage2003, Sharepoint Designer 2007 (free) or any > version of Expression Web > > http://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/ew-templates.html > > http://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/ew-site-templates.html > > http://www.frontpage-to-expression.com/site-templates/ > > Enjoy! > > pat > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the FREEPAGES-HELP list administrator, send an email to > FREEPAGES-HELP-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the FREEPAGES-HELP mailing list, send an email to > FREEPAGES-HELP@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 6, Issue 1 > ******************************************** >