Judy, Got delayed - doing other things! The following should be what you are looking for. The table has been cleaned out of all unnecessary mark-up. There are a few styles embedded in the head section, and where I have used first-child or nth-of type selectors, you can change to id or class and insert the same mark-up and names where required. http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~bristowe/misc/test/florian/florian-border-colors.html Actually, <br /> is 'optional' in HTML5, and only XML needs the closing slash for <img />, <br />, <hr /> etc.. I also agree with Billie's comment regarding the 100% column - its redundant and has been removed. The layout in the heading area has changed slightly, but displays what is wanted a little more clearly. Validates as HTML5 in https://validator.nu/ Use Ctrl + to enlarge and look at the border structure. Barry
When I looked t this yesterday I wondered about the fourth column. Is it really needed? It is ALWAYS going to be 100%. It is the total number of those killed in accidents. There is no other possibility. "Total" says it all. In the header I would also use <th> instead of <td>. It is a "table header" after all and sets them off visually when looking at the source code. Supposedly <th>'s are bold by definition. Some browsers are a bit funny with them though. You might still need the <b>'s . On 12/13/2018 09:42 AM, Charles Carothers wrote: > I'm not Barry but just for fun I thought I would see if I could help fix > your table. With just a little editing, I was able to get the top chunk of > your table to pass W3C validation. Here is what I wound up with. > <...table style="border-style:solid; border-color:#e0c090" > cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5" class="center" border="4"> > <tbody> > <tr valign="top"> > <td rowspan="2"><b>Calendar Year</b></td> > <td colspan="2"><b>Total Killed in<br /> > Alcohol Related Crashes</b> > </td> > <td colspan="2"><b>Total Killed in<br /> > All Traffic Crashes</b> > </td> > </tr> > <tr valign="bottom"> > <td><b>Number</b></td> > <td><b>Percent</b></td> > <td><b>Number</b></td> > <td><b>Percent</b></td> > </tr> > </tbody> > </table> > > You would of course need to continue doing the things I did to the rest of > your table. I'll try to summarize them here: > o Removed all the unmatched <p> and </font> tags. > o Changed all <br> to <br /> > o Changed all vAlign, rowSpan, colSpan, cellSpacing and cellPadding to all > lower case > In the table tag, there is a rule that border-color must be preceded by > border-style, so I did that too. It appeared to me that you wanted all 4 > borders the same color, so that is what I did. You can make them different > if you like by supplying 3 more colors after border-color. > > Hope that helps! -- "The dog is a gentleman. I hope to go to his heaven, not man's." Mark Twain
This is what Pat Asher uses for WS_FTP Pro With WS FTP Pro, I use: Host Name: sitesuser.rootsweb.com User ID: account name (e.g. pasher without the tilde) Password: ********** On the Advanced screen, select -- Server type: SFTP/SSH On the Startup Screen, select -- Remote folder: public_html (or genealogy_html, military_html, etc. for Freepages accounts) When connecting for the first time, you will be asked to approve a server key, "public key: RSA" Pat G -----Original Message----- From: Gmail Dale [mailto:dale.ebersold@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 10:41 AM To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Subject: [FreeHelp]FTP problem I am not able to access my freepages account. I went through the ChangePassword process fine so it must be a problem with my Ipswitch WS_FTP 12 Professional software that worked fine before the "lockdown" of freepages. Connection Error This could be caused by any of the following reasons: Your network connection is down. IT IS NOT DOWN The host address is incorrect. IT IS CORRECT The server you are attempting to connect with is not available. CAN'T BE THE PROBLEM Click the Details button to view information from the connection log. DETAILS Finding Host sitesuser.rootsweb.com ... Connecting to 52.86.148.35:21 Connect failure SSH Transport closed. How do i "open" the SSH Transport? Or should I just dump Ipswitch and download FileZilla.?
I'm not Barry but just for fun I thought I would see if I could help fix your table. With just a little editing, I was able to get the top chunk of your table to pass W3C validation. Here is what I wound up with. <...table style="border-style:solid; border-color:#e0c090" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5" class="center" border="4"> <tbody> <tr valign="top"> <td rowspan="2"><b>Calendar Year</b></td> <td colspan="2"><b>Total Killed in<br /> Alcohol Related Crashes</b> </td> <td colspan="2"><b>Total Killed in<br /> All Traffic Crashes</b> </td> </tr> <tr valign="bottom"> <td><b>Number</b></td> <td><b>Percent</b></td> <td><b>Number</b></td> <td><b>Percent</b></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> You would of course need to continue doing the things I did to the rest of your table. I'll try to summarize them here: o Removed all the unmatched <p> and </font> tags. o Changed all <br> to <br /> o Changed all vAlign, rowSpan, colSpan, cellSpacing and cellPadding to all lower case In the table tag, there is a rule that border-color must be preceded by border-style, so I did that too. It appeared to me that you wanted all 4 borders the same color, so that is what I did. You can make them different if you like by supplying 3 more colors after border-color. Hope that helps! -- Charlie Carothers https://www.freebiblecommentary.org <http://www.freebiblecommentary.org> <http://freebiblecommentary.org>
I am not able to access my freepages account. I went through the ChangePassword process fine so it must be a problem with my Ipswitch WS_FTP 12 Professional software that worked fine before the "lockdown" of freepages. Connection Error This could be caused by any of the following reasons: Your network connection is down. IT IS NOT DOWN The host address is incorrect. IT IS CORRECT The server you are attempting to connect with is not available. CAN'T BE THE PROBLEM Click the Details button to view information from the connection log. DETAILS Finding Host sitesuser.rootsweb.com ... Connecting to 52.86.148.35:21 Connect failure SSH Transport closed. How do i "open" the SSH Transport? Or should I just dump Ipswitch and download FileZilla.?
Barry, I've been using the ID "narrow" table on most pages. It's been working fine and validating. I have a different table now. I like the outside color on it; can it be salvaged? Would you mind helping me fix this old table? I don;t care if you get rid of the "top" alignment and narrow everything down. Could I just use the "narrow" table you did, but make it like "narrowcolor" and put the coloring? <........table borderColor="#e0c090" cellSpacing="0" borderColorDark="#e0c090" cellPadding="5" class="center" borderColorLight="#e0c090" border="4"> <tbody> <tr vAlign="top"> <td rowSpan="2"><b><p>Calendar Year</font></b></td> <td colSpan="2"><b><p>Total Killed in<br> Alcohol Related Crashes</font></b></td> <td colSpan="2"><b><p>Total Killed in<br> All Traffic Crashes</font></b></td> </tr> <tr vAlign="bottom"> <td><b><p>Number</font></b></td> <td><b><p>Percent</font></b></td> <td><b><p>Number</font></b></td> <td><b><p>Percent</font></b></td> </tr> <tr vAlign="bottom"> <td><p>1982</font></td> <td><p>26,173</font></td> <td><p>60%</td> <td><p>43,945</font></td> <td><p>100.0%</td> </tr> <tr vAlign="bottom"> <td><p>1983</font></td> <td><p>24,635</font></td> <td><p>58%</td> <td><p>42,589</font></td> <td><p>100.0%</td> </tr> <tr vAlign="bottom"> <td><p>1984</font></td> <td><p>24,762</font></td> <td><p>56%</td> <td><p>44,257</font></td> <td><p>100.0%</td> </tr> <tr vAlign="bottom"> <td><p>1985</font></td> <td><p>23,167</font></td> <td><p>53%</td> <td><p>43,825</font></td> <td><p>100.0%</td> </tr> <tr vAlign="bottom"> <td><p>1986</font></td> <td><p>25,017</font></td> <td><p>54%</td> <td><p>46,087</font></td> <td><p>100.0%</td> </tr> <tr vAlign="bottom"> <td><p>1987</font></td> <td><p>24,094</font></td> <td><p>52%</td> <td><p>46,390</font></td> <td><p>100.0%</td> </tr> <tr vAlign="bottom"> <td><p>1988</font></td> <td><p>23,833</font></td> <td><p>51%</td> <td><p>47,087</font></td> <td><p>100.0%</td> </tr> <tr vAlign="bottom"> <td><p>1989</font></td> <td><p>22,424</font></td> <td><p>49%</td> <td><p>45,582</font></td> <td><p>100.0%</td> </tr> <tr vAlign="bottom"> <td><p>1990</font></td> <td><p>22,587</font></td> <td><p>51%</td> <td><p>44,599</font></td> <td><p>100.0%</td> </tr> <tr vAlign="bottom"> <td><p>1991</font></td> <td><p>20,159</font></td> <td><p>49%</td> <td><p>41,508</font></td> <td><p>100.0%</td> </tr> <tr vAlign="bottom"> <td><p>1992</font></td> <td><p>18,290</font></td> <td><p>47%</td> <td><p>39,250</font></td> <td><p>100.0%</td> </tr> <tr vAlign="bottom"> <td><p>1993</font></td> <td><p>17,908</font></td> <td><p>45%</td> <td><p>40,150</font></td> <td><p>100.0%</td> </tr> <tr vAlign="bottom"> <td><p>1994</font></td> <td><p>17,308</font></td> <td><p>43%</td> <td><p>40,716</font></td> <td><p>100.0%</td> </tr> <tr vAlign="bottom"> <td><p>1995</font></td> <td><p>17,732</font></td> <td><p>42%</td> <td><p>41,817</font></td> <td><p>100.0%</td> </tr> <tr vAlign="bottom"> <td><p>1996</font></td> <td><p>17,749</font></td> <td><p>42%</td> <td><p>42,065</font></td> <td><p>100.0%</td> </tr> <tr vAlign="bottom"> <td><p>1997</font></td> <td><p>16,711</font></td> <td><p>40%</td> <td><p>42,013</font></td> <td><p>100.0%</td> </tr> <tr vAlign="bottom"> <td><p>1998</font></td> <td><p>16,673</font></td> <td><p>40%</td> <td><p>41,501</font></td> <td><p>100.0%</td> </tr> <tr> <td><p>1999</font></td> <td><p>16,572</font></td> <td><p>40%</td> <td><p>41,717</font></td> <td><p>100.0%</td> </tr> <tr> <td><p>2000</font></td> <td><p>17,380</font></td> <td><p>41%</td> <td><p>41,945</font></td> <td><p>100.0%</td> </tr> <tr> <td><p>2001</font></td> <td><p>17,400</font></td> <td><p>41%</td> <td><p>42,196</font></td> <td><p>100.0%</td> </tr> <tr vAlign="bottom"> <td><font color="#000000">2002</font></td> <td><font color="#000000">17,524</font></td> <td><font color="#000000">41%</font></td> <td><font color="#000000">43,005</font></td> <td><font color="#000000">100.0%</font></td> </tr> <tr vAlign="bottom"> <td><font color="#000000">2003</font></td> <td><font color="#000000">17,105</font></td> <td><font color="#000000">40%</font></td> <td><font color="#000000">42,884</font></td> <td><font color="#000000">100.0%</font></td> </tr> <tr vAlign="bottom"> <td><font color="#000000">2004</font></td> <td><font color="#000000">16,919</font></td> <td><font color="#000000">39%</font></td> <td><font color="#000000">42,836</font></td> <td><font color="#000000">100.0%</font></td> </tr> <tr vAlign="bottom"> <td><font color="#000000">2005</font></td> <td><font color="#000000">17,590</font></td> <td><font color="#000000">40%</font></td> <td><font color="#000000">43,510</font></td> <td><font color="#000000">100.0%</font></td> </tr> <tr vAlign="bottom"> <td><font color="#000000">2006</font></td> <td><font color="#000000">17,602</font></td> <td><font color="#000000">41%</font></td> <td><font color="#000000">42,642</font></td> <td><font color="#000000">100.0%</font></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> Just that table on the page throws 77 errors! Ugh! Thanks for your help. Judy
I think the answer is Yes If you happy that they are duplicated and are also in the correct folder Blessings from Ron Lankshear On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 at 11:48, deblack@juno.com <deblack@juno.com> wrote: > It is the BLACK family I messed up -the Black family has Cole files on the > right that SHOULD Not be there - My Cole family is fine - So - I want to > get rid of the files I definitely know should not be there - Can I delete > them ?thank you - DeAnne > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Ron Lankshear <ronlankshear@gmail.com> > To: Freepages Web Sites <freepages-help@rootsweb.com>, deblack@juno.com > Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: need help > Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:22:05 +1100 > > The left side is your own computer and the right > side is Rootsweb server. > What you want is for both to have the folders and > files exactly the same. > If right side has the Cole files the way you want > BUT also has 13 of them duplicated under wrong > folder Exhibits then delete them > > The Filezilla Toggle comparison button can help as > it will show files on right side as yellow > > from Ron Lankshear > http://sites.rootsweb.com/~lankshear > > On 12/12/2018 5:12 am, deblack@juno.com wrote: > > I believe the left side is fine - It is the right side that has the > extra items that only belong in my Cole family and not the Black family - > can't I just delete those items from the right side that I know do not > belong there ? example: under exhibit folder - I see 13 Cole labeled > exhibits on right side that do not belong - thank you -DeAnne > > >
It is the BLACK family I messed up -the Black family has Cole files on the right that SHOULD Not be there - My Cole family is fine - So - I want to get rid of the files I definitely know should not be there - Can I delete them ?thank you - DeAnne ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Ron Lankshear <ronlankshear@gmail.com> To: Freepages Web Sites <freepages-help@rootsweb.com>, deblack@juno.com Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: need help Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:22:05 +1100 The left side is your own computer and the right side is Rootsweb server. What you want is for both to have the folders and files exactly the same. If right side has the Cole files the way you want BUT also has 13 of them duplicated under wrong folder Exhibits then delete them The Filezilla Toggle comparison button can help as it will show files on right side as yellow from Ron Lankshear http://sites.rootsweb.com/~lankshear On 12/12/2018 5:12 am, deblack@juno.com wrote: > I believe the left side is fine - It is the right side that has the extra items that only belong in my Cole family and not the Black family - can't I just delete those items from the right side that I know do not belong there ? example: under exhibit folder - I see 13 Cole labeled exhibits on right side that do not belong - thank you -DeAnne > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/freepages-help@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
The left side is your own computer and the right side is Rootsweb server. What you want is for both to have the folders and files exactly the same. If right side has the Cole files the way you want BUT also has 13 of them duplicated under wrong folder Exhibits then delete them The Filezilla Toggle comparison button can help as it will show files on right side as yellow from Ron Lankshear http://sites.rootsweb.com/~lankshear On 12/12/2018 5:12 am, deblack@juno.com wrote: > I believe the left side is fine - It is the right side that has the extra items that only belong in my Cole family and not the Black family - can't I just delete those items from the right side that I know do not belong there ? example: under exhibit folder - I see 13 Cole labeled exhibits on right side that do not belong - thank you -DeAnne >
DeAnne, if you are positive that you have the items that are on the server that do not belong there under the Cole folder then yes go ahead and delete them. You will then need to copy them to the Black folder if they are not already there. Once you delete them off the server, they are gone and not retrievable except form YOUR computer. Pat G -----Original Message----- From: deblack@juno.com [mailto:deblack@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 1:13 PM To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: need help I believe the left side is fine - It is the right side that has the extra items that only belong in my Cole family and not the Black family - can't I just delete those items from the right side that I know do not belong there ? example: under exhibit folder - I see 13 Cole labeled exhibits on right side that do not belong - thank you -DeAnne
I believe the left side is fine - It is the right side that has the extra items that only belong in my Cole family and not the Black family - can't I just delete those items from the right side that I know do not belong there ? example: under exhibit folder - I see 13 Cole labeled exhibits on right side that do not belong - thank you -DeAnne ---------- Original Message ---------- From: JFlorian <cageycat@gmail.com> To: "LIST_freepages-help@rootsweb.com" <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: need help Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 21:58:25 -0500 freepages - http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~deblack/genealogy/index.htm by mistake I go my Cole family mixed in with my black family - Is the a way to delete my black webpages and start over again ? thank you -DeAnne --- DeAnne, Make sure you have your COLEs and your BLACKs in their websites (or right folders) on your PC (local). Next..... Sign into Filezilla. Look on the LEFT side after you are in the "genealogy" website. Make sure both sides are "genealogy". On the left, you can highlight and delete any item or items you don't want. Do NOT delete the top folder structure, though. NOTE: Deleting your made files or folders within Filezilla is permanent. Double and triple check what you about to delete before actually deleting it. NOTE: It is good to practice. Make a folder called "test". Put something in it, a test picture or test page. Upload the folder with its contents. Next, refresh Filezilla, locate the "test" folder... Open it.... Delete just 1 item from that folder. Refresh. Then go back so you are sitting on the "test" folder. Delete the folder with all its contents. From your local PC side, you can upload "test" folder to inside another folder. Refresh.... go find the other folder, and find "test". Again, practice deleting "test" without touching your good folder. The practice is good. When I updated my sites, I had to bite my lip and delete the entire old site.... then upload the new. It was stressful, but Filezilla did a perfect job. :-D Again, don't touch the very top folder. Judy . _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/freepages-help@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
I believe the left side is fine - It is the right side that has the extra items that only belong in my Cole family and not the Black family - can't I just delete those items from the right side that I know do not belong there ? example: under exhibit folder - I see 13 Cole labeled exhibits on right side that do not belong - thank you -DeAnne
I agree with Judy; you should NOT just start deleting. The Ancestry people might hate me for saying this, but spurious files on the host side really do little harm. They do take up a bit of server disk file space, and might cause you some confusion from time to time, but that's about it. If there is no link to them from your site, no one is ever going to see their contents anyway. It's much better to have "mystery" files on the server (and locally) than it is to delete them and then later discover that you really wanted that material. Being the sort of "file pack rat" that I am, I would actually first download anything on the server that I did not have locally. I guess you could say that I am absolutely obsessed with the idea that the local and host sides should match. Again the only harm is a little local disk file space used, and maybe, possibly, a bit of confusion at some point about what is and what is not an active part of your website. Blessings, -- Charlie Carothers https://www.freebiblecommentary.org <http://www.freebiblecommentary.org> <http://freebiblecommentary.org>
where do I find these genealogy (top uppermost folder/directory) deblack (folder) ? do I start with:DeAnne filesdescendentsexhibitsgthumbs etc ? or do I list all files on left and compare with the files on the right ? I am so lost -DeAnne
Also found this on a few pages where the midi appears: <...a href="#" onClick="MIDIjs.play('midi/taps.mid');"> Play Taps.mid</a> <...a href="#" onClick="MIDIjs.stop();">Stop MIDI Playback</a> The old midi plays. Just validator throws 3 errors on the other line I posted. Can I just leave it alone?
<....bgsound src="../../../taps.mid" loop="1"> Converting decades-old pages. One page has the taps file, but validator hates the whole line, above. I found this file, but not the code line to make it work on my page: https://www.marineband.marines.mil/Portals/175/Docs/Audio/Ceremonial/bugle_call_taps_version_1.mp3 Any ideas, for External CSS and very small visible presence, if anything is visible? Judy
NO! You can't just start deleting. As tough as it sounds, you need to visually compare. Grab a piece of paper and write down your folder structure. Example---- genealogy (top uppermost folder/directory) ---deblack (folder) ------ (subfolder in deblack) deaths ------ (subfolder in deblack) photos ---images (folder, for whole website) ---maps (folder) ---mossly ------ (subfolder in mossly) deaths ------ (subfolder in mossly) photos index,html (site index, loose, no folder, but What you'd do is MATCH left (PC) to right (Live). MAKE SURE if you need stuff on the right side. OR.... if you are sure you have everything on your PC (left) side, you can delete just your created folders and pages on the LIVE site (right) and re-upload the entire site. It's scary to do this, but it can save time Just make sure your PC version is complete, first. Judy
I am using Core -just made a site through SS - that should be goodI opened Core with deblack on left - connect - genealogy - deblack/genealogy_html - many files do not match left side -do I delete all files on right that do not match the left ? Also - I do have Filezilla on my desktop - should I use this file ? Thank you -DeAnne ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Charles Carothers <csquared71@gmail.com> To: Freepages Help <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: Need help Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2018 08:19:48 -0600 Hi DeAnne, Ron and Judy's comments are very good. Also, in case you were asking just "how" to delete files on the host side, right click on the desired file in the right hand pane of Filezilla. One of the options is "Delete". Click on that, answer Yes to the Confirmation question, and the file is gone on the host. As Judy points out, the deletion is permanent, and there is no undo for that action. So if you are wanting to move it to a different folder, make sure to put a copy of the file there first. The same procedure works on the local side in Filezilla, but there is no Confirmation question; it just does the delete. That deletion is permanent as well with no undo. Blessings, -- Charlie Carothers https://www.freebiblecommentary.org <http://www.freebiblecommentary.org> <http://freebiblecommentary.org> _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/freepages-help@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Reading all this makes me realise just how much more simple it was to use File Manager, especially if there were only one or two minor amendments to make. This will certainly make me think twice before doing any more. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 at 14:21, Charles Carothers <csquared71@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi DeAnne, > > Ron and Judy's comments are very good. > > Also, in case you were asking just "how" to delete files on the host side, > right click on the desired file in the right hand pane of Filezilla. One of > the options is "Delete". Click on that, answer Yes to the Confirmation > question, and the file is gone on the host. As Judy points out, the > deletion is permanent, and there is no undo for that action. So if you are > wanting to move it to a different folder, make sure to put a copy of the > file there first. > > The same procedure works on the local side in Filezilla, but there is no > Confirmation question; it just does the delete. That deletion is permanent > as well with no undo. > > Blessings, > > -- > Charlie Carothers > https://www.freebiblecommentary.org <http://www.freebiblecommentary.org> > <http://freebiblecommentary.org> > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/freepages-help@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >
Hi DeAnne, Ron and Judy's comments are very good. Also, in case you were asking just "how" to delete files on the host side, right click on the desired file in the right hand pane of Filezilla. One of the options is "Delete". Click on that, answer Yes to the Confirmation question, and the file is gone on the host. As Judy points out, the deletion is permanent, and there is no undo for that action. So if you are wanting to move it to a different folder, make sure to put a copy of the file there first. The same procedure works on the local side in Filezilla, but there is no Confirmation question; it just does the delete. That deletion is permanent as well with no undo. Blessings, -- Charlie Carothers https://www.freebiblecommentary.org <http://www.freebiblecommentary.org> <http://freebiblecommentary.org>