I've found this interesting little article that is probably a "must read" for those that have somehow acquired a Windows 8 O/S PC, or are thinking about having it installed on their existing PC. For those that don't know, Win 8 is essentially designed around being a "touch screen" O/S, but for those that don't like the idea or feel out of their depth in coming to terms with this "touchy-feely" world, there still is the old established way of getting around your PC. It is all detailed in this NY Times article. http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/25/a-windows-8-cheat-sheet/ Barry

Hi Ron, Not too sure but here is a great HTML site for Monumental Inscriptions. Alan wrote this himself and you can click on the plan and go to the gravestone. I don't know if you can manipulate it for what you need? I know Alan wouldn't mind you asking. http://www.shotover.clara.net/micd/index.htm Pat G has a tutorial on tables but the one I am looking for I cannot now find, it was an example from one I had, done by Pat and others. I can upload tomorrow for you, but otherwise maybe look at this on Pat's site. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gearyfamily/frontpage/exce l-tables-in-frontpage.htm Cheers, Jill -----Original Message----- From: freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ron Yates Sent: 21 October 2012 03:01 To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Drawing schematics I am in need of a program that I can use to lay out a cemetery showing the respective burial locations on an HTML page. Would this be such a program or might there be a better option available? Ron > > Have sorted out my problems in Windows 7 32 bit, and the GEDmill program > is running OK. > > I've noted your comments about not being able to create a Surnames only > tree. I suspect that can be overcome, provided you make a separate > Gedcom file in that format. > > The HTML output files can be easily edited and the overall CSS can be > customized to create an original looking ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jill, thanks for these ideas! I'm hacking away at it, so far meeting my minimum objectives but it's not real pretty: http://alturl.com/xrnv6 Ron -----Original Message-----Drawing schematics Hi Ron, Not too sure but here is a great HTML site for Monumental Inscriptions. Alan wrote this himself and you can click on the plan and go to the gravestone. I don't know if you can manipulate it for what you need? I know Alan wouldn't mind you asking. Pat G has a tutorial on tables but the one I am looking for I cannot now find, it was an example from one I had, done by Pat and others. I can upload tomorrow for you, but otherwise maybe look at this on Pat's site.

Occasionally SSI gets mentioned on this list, though I suspect there are number of you who make use of it in their FreePages site for menus, headers and footers etc.. I recently mentioned it when inserting a data base .txt file into a web-page, and the following page describes its use for browser detection and the insertion of vendor prefixes to experimental CSS properties, in order to reduce the multiple CSS coding required to cater for prefixed styles in all browsers. http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~bristowe/fade-images.html <http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Ebristowe/fade-images.html> Barry

On 21/10/2012 5:28 p.m., Tony Myers wrote: > @ Caroline & Barry, > > I am running an HP x64 machine with Win7 Home Premium and installed GEDMill > software first by right-clicking and installing as administrator. > > "DO NOT OPEN AT FINISH" Unclick the check mark, click 'Finish' and closed > the program. > > Once installed, I then right-clicked on the short-cut and clicked on > 'Troubleshoot Compatibility'. > > This launched the software, adjusted settings for Win98 XP Service Pack 2 > and I just followed the instructions. > > > I use Family Tree Maker 2012 software for my family tree because I have all > of mine on Ancestry.com and it auto-syncs with my desktop software. So I > exported a .GED file as 'Other' (non-FTM UT-8) GEDCom 5.5 file, loaded it > into GEDMill and went right through the instructions. The software generated > the pages with no problem whatsoever. > > Give it a try. You will probably like it. > ----------------------------------- > Tony, Thanks for the reply. You may have missed an earlier post where I said I had got the GEDmill program up and running in Win 7 32 bit, and have been editing some of the generated HTML pages. Regards, Barry Carlson New Plymouth N.Z.

On 21/10/2012 3:01 p.m., Ron Yates wrote: > I am in need of a program that I can use to lay out a cemetery showing the respective burial locations on an HTML page. Would this be such a program or might there be a better option available? Ron > ------------------------------ Ron, I suspect not, as it creates its layout from data in a Gedcom 5.5 file. Perhaps you can explain in more detail your plan to link names to burial plots. Barry

On 21/10/2012 1:51 p.m., Greg wrote: > I'm running 64bit version of Windows 7, should have said that before, > > ------------------------- Greg, Have sorted out my problems in Windows 7 32 bit, and the GEDmill program is running OK. I've noted your comments about not being able to create a Surnames only tree. I suspect that can be overcome, provided you make a separate Gedcom file in that format. The HTML output files can be easily edited and the overall CSS can be customized to create an original looking site. Barry

Perhaps Genealogica Grafica - http://www.genealogicagrafica.nl/ excellent graphics produced from gedcoms My examples are at Tableau Charts of my Family Tree's - http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/tableaus/index.htm I must get back to and solve the page format problems caused by the Rootsweb Banners I have not used the Genmill software but if Win 7 problems perhaps install Microsoft Windows XP Mode Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/

Idon't want to produce output from gedcom files. My program already produces what I think are good trees that allow the visitor to move around within the family (an example <http://gdavis.id.au/family/trees/d00084.htm#i01088>). What I want to do is draw an overall representation of the big picture that only shows surnames that are linked to each other and visitors would be able to see connections between different family names. If you click on the example link you will see Emily CHAPPEL at the top of the web page and two columns across you will see James ROGERS. I would like to show that there are other families connected to the ROGERS name and the MERREN name just to name a couple. It would be done in a freestyle mode where I can add new boxes with a surname each time a new family name is added to the tree. Like a road map of the whole family. Greg On 21/10/2012 1:15 PM, Ron Lankshear wrote: > Perhaps > > Genealogica Grafica - http://www.genealogicagrafica.nl/ > excellent graphics produced from gedcoms > > My examples are at > Tableau Charts of my Family Tree's - > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/tableaus/index.htm

On 21/10/2012 1:43 p.m., Greg wrote: > Yes it does work in Windows 7, just tried it. > Yes it does produce a tree for each family, but I don't seem to be able > to draw an overall tree with just surnames. > > ------------------------------ Greg, I'll spend a bit more time with it in Win 7. The program is running okay, but the problem I had was in getting the tree generated from the gedcom file to display. Barry

On 21/10/2012 1:23 p.m., Barry Carlson wrote: > On 21/10/2012 1:18 p.m., Caroline wrote: >> http://www.logicmill.com/ This program does not seem to work on Windows 7. >> >> ---------------- > Caroline, > > That may well be the case. I haven't tried it, but will go and check it > out now. > > Barry --------------------------- I've just checked it out in Windows 7 32 bit, and found that it doesn't work as Caroline indicated. Now this could be a good reason why you kept the old Win XP computer! Once the pages have been generated, there will be no problem in viewing them in what-ever browser / operating system. Barry

On 21/10/2012 1:18 p.m., Caroline wrote: > http://www.logicmill.com/ This program does not seem to work on Windows 7. > > ---------------- Caroline, That may well be the case. I haven't tried it, but will go and check it out now. Barry

On 21/10/2012 12:20 p.m., Greg wrote: > I can already produce trees to show relationships within families but > what I would like to do is draw an overall schematic showing the big > picture which would include both sides of the family and where generally > to find different family names. ie. just a bunch of boxes with only > surnames, not for every member of the family, just the family, and lines > linking each surname. > > I would like a piece of software that you can place a box on the screen > and maybe able to move it later to accommodate other boxes as necessary. > Of course it would be nice if it produced HTML output. > > Any suggestions ? > ---------------------------- Greg, You might like to have a look at GEDmill, a free software package capable of doing what you are asking. http://www.logicmill.com/ An example of a complex GEDmill tree containing over 10,000 names can be found at:- http://treeby-family.co.uk/home.html Disclaimer:- I have not used the software and only became aware of it when working on the Drake family tree contained in the above website. Barry

Greg asked, "I would like a piece of software that you can place a box on the screen and maybe able to move it later to accommodate other boxes as necessary. Of course it would be nice if it produced HTML output." And then: "What I want to do is draw an overall representation of the big picture that only shows surnames that are linked to each other and visitors would be able to see connections between different family names. If you click on the example link you will see Emily CHAPPEL at the top of the web page and two columns across you will see James ROGERS. I would like to show that there are other families connected to the ROGERS name and the MERREN name just to name a couple." It seems to me very much like a graphic image night be the solution. One can do boxes with HTML/CSS, but it's a pain -- especially, if the layout will be changing. How about software that produces SVG (scalable vector graphic) images? SVG images are not (strictly speaking) HTML, but they can be displayed by browsers. Their big advantage is relatively small file-size as compared with raster graphic images such as GIF, JPEG, TIFF, PNG, etc. Or -- for the other suggestions -- make a scaled-down GEDCOM containing just the surnames to be displayed in their relationships to each other? This could serve as the input to the GEDmill or Genmill programs. -rt_/)

I'm running 64bit version of Windows 7, should have said that before, Greg On 21/10/2012 10:48 AM, Barry Carlson wrote: > > On 21/10/2012 1:43 p.m., Greg wrote: >> Yes it does work in Windows 7, just tried it. >> Yes it does produce a tree for each family, but I don't seem to be able >> to draw an overall tree with just surnames. >> >> ------------------------------ > Greg, > > I'll spend a bit more time with it in Win 7. > > The program is running okay, but the problem I had was in getting the > tree generated from the gedcom file to display. >

Yes it does work in Windows 7, just tried it. Yes it does produce a tree for each family, but I don't seem to be able to draw an overall tree with just surnames. Greg On 21/10/2012 10:23 AM, Barry Carlson wrote: > On 21/10/2012 1:18 p.m., Caroline wrote: >> http://www.logicmill.com/ This program does not seem to work on Windows 7. >> >> ---------------- > Caroline, > > That may well be the case. I haven't tried it, but will go and check it > out now. > >

I can already produce trees to show relationships within families but what I would like to do is draw an overall schematic showing the big picture which would include both sides of the family and where generally to find different family names. ie. just a bunch of boxes with only surnames, not for every member of the family, just the family, and lines linking each surname. I would like a piece of software that you can place a box on the screen and maybe able to move it later to accommodate other boxes as necessary. Of course it would be nice if it produced HTML output. Any suggestions ? Greg

On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 1:13 AM, Charles Dobie <cdobie@superaje.com> wrote: > Greg and list, > > What Greg describes below is something I've wanted for quite a while > -- to draw a "tree" with branches and twigs representing different > families which are connected to the main "trunk". ============ What about trying to do a freehand tree in Google SketchUp? http://www.sketchup.com/intl/en/index.html i just downloaded it tonight so I don't know if it'll work for your needs--- but--- maybe it'll be something fun to play with anyway? Free. Judy > -- > -- > WASHINGTON COUNTY PA WEBSITES::: > http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~florian/ http://freepages.school-alumni.rootsweb.com/~florian/the-rockdoctor/ Coordinator of the Washington County PAGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pawashin/

Greg and list, What Greg describes below is something I've wanted for quite a while -- to draw a "tree" with branches and twigs representing different families which are connected to the main "trunk". I've seen artistic representations of these family trees done by artists and I think they were popular in the 19th century, but I don't know of any software which will do this. Charlie Dobie. At 12:00 AM 10/21/2012, you wrote: >Idon't want to produce output from gedcom files. My program already >produces what I think are good trees that allow the visitor to move >around within the family (an example ><http://gdavis.id.au/family/trees/d00084.htm#i01088>). > >What I want to do is draw an overall representation of the big picture >that only shows surnames that are linked to each other and visitors >would be able to see connections between different family names. If you >click on the example link you will see Emily CHAPPEL at the top of the >web page and two columns across you will see James ROGERS. I would like >to show that there are other families connected to the ROGERS name and >the MERREN name just to name a couple. > >It would be done in a freestyle mode where I can add new boxes with a >surname each time a new family name is added to the tree. Like a road >map of the whole family. >Greg > > >On 21/10/2012 1:15 PM, Ron Lankshear wrote: > > Perhaps > > > > Genealogica Grafica - http://www.genealogicagrafica.nl/ > > excellent graphics produced from gedcoms > > > > My examples are at > > Tableau Charts of my Family Tree's - > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/tableaus/index.htm > Charles Dobie, cdobie@superaje.com

@ Caroline & Barry, I am running an HP x64 machine with Win7 Home Premium and installed GEDMill software first by right-clicking and installing as administrator. "DO NOT OPEN AT FINISH" Unclick the check mark, click 'Finish' and closed the program. Once installed, I then right-clicked on the short-cut and clicked on 'Troubleshoot Compatibility'. This launched the software, adjusted settings for Win98 XP Service Pack 2 and I just followed the instructions. I use Family Tree Maker 2012 software for my family tree because I have all of mine on Ancestry.com and it auto-syncs with my desktop software. So I exported a .GED file as 'Other' (non-FTM UT-8) GEDCom 5.5 file, loaded it into GEDMill and went right through the instructions. The software generated the pages with no problem whatsoever. Give it a try. You will probably like it. Regards, Tony Myers Lakeland, Florida tonymyers.ancestry@gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 10:11 PM ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 13:23:28 +1300 From: Barry Carlson <barrycarlson@clear.net.nz> Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Drawing schematics To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <50834080.4030800@clear.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 21/10/2012 1:18 p.m., Caroline wrote: > http://www.logicmill.com/ This program does not seem to work on Windows > 7. > > ---------------- Caroline, That may well be the case. I haven't tried it, but will go and check it out now. Barry