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    1. Re: [FreeHelp] Images not showing text
    2. Pat Geary
    3. At 08:47 AM 9/3/2013, you wrote: >I'm having a problem with my images not showing text, either with >alternative text or long description. The following is my code: Better example: <....a title="Screenshot validation error for missing alt tag." href="images/alt-tag-missing.jpg"><img alt="Screenshot validation error for missing alt tag." src="images/alt-tag-missing_small.jpg" width="200" height="34" /></a> For anyone interested in learning more on creating accessible images, I can highly recommend reading Creating Accessible Images http://webaim.org/techniques/images/ I don't tend to use target="_blank" to open a new window. I leave it up to the individual to choose whether they wish to open either a new window or tab. Hopefully most folks know how to use the back button. Pat Pat Geary Working With Rootsweb FreePages Accounts EBook (free) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gearyfamily/rootsweb-freepages-ebook.html

    09/03/2013 10:55:11
    1. [FreeHelp] Images not showing text
    2. Valerie lirakis
    3. I'm having a problem with my images not showing text, either with alternative text or long description. The following is my code: <td class="auto-style3"> <a href="hesketh/cousin_kate_hesketh.jpg" target="_blank"> <img alt="Cousin Kate Hesketh" height="92" longdesc="&quot;&quot;" src="hesketh/cousin_kate_hesketh_small.jpg" width="126" /></a><br /> </td> What am I doing wrong? Valerie

    09/03/2013 07:47:15
    1. Re: [FreeHelp] Images not showing text
    2. Pat Geary
    3. At 08:47 AM 9/3/2013, you wrote: >I'm having a problem with my images not showing text, either with >alternative text or long description. The following is my code: > ><td class="auto-style3"> > <a href="hesketh/cousin_kate_hesketh.jpg" target="_blank"> > <img alt="Cousin Kate Hesketh" height="92" longdesc="&quot;&quot;" >src="hesketh/cousin_kate_hesketh_small.jpg" width="126" /></a><br /> > > </td> ============== ALT TAG The required alt attribute specifies an alternate text for an image, if the image cannot be displayed. The alt attribute provides alternative information for an image if a user for some reason cannot view it (because of slow connection, an error in the src attribute, or if the user uses a screen reader). Note: Internet Explorer (prior version 9) displays the value of the alt attribute as a tooltip, when mousing over the image. This is NOT the correct behavior, according to the HTML specification. Tip: To create a tooltip for an image, use the <http://www.w3schools.com/tags/ref_standardattributes.asp>title attribute! If you want the text to be displayed when someone hovers over the image use the title tag <a target="_blank" title="short description of your image." href="hesketh/cousin_kate_hesketh.jpg"> <img alt="Cousin Kate Hesketh" height="92" longdesc="&quot;&quot;" src="hesketh/cousin_kate_hesketh_small.jpg" width="126" /></a> More on the use of longdesc http://webaim.org/techniques/images/longdesc You are using the tag in the wrong way so try <a target="_blank" title="short description of your image." href="hesketh/cousin_kate_hesketh.jpg"> <img alt="Cousin Kate Hesketh" height="92" width="126" /></a> I assume what you want is the text to appear when someone hovers over the image itself. pat

    09/03/2013 03:18:15
    1. [FreeHelp] back to basics please 1. Internal Links 2. Site Structure 3. Frontpage hidden folders
    2. JFlorian
    3. I've been using Xenu as a tool to show me how bots see my website, and fix the errors I see in Xenu's results. Using this Xenu program has really helped me 'picture' how bots / spiders 'see' my website. I wish I had used it periodically when I created my websites. But using Xenu does require more understanding than I had when I started... it can be frustrating to think like a machine and understand "Why did Xenu list THIS page?" Xenu can also list all pages, like for a Site Map, which helped me see how I was using the Title tag on each page and write better Titles. So far, I fixed: broken external links; broken internal links (none now, yay); permanent redirects ...and webs that make several redirect-pages to some other page (ugh!); and writing more precise Page Title Tags But I get stuck on Orphan Files and really want to understand how Xenu and spiders crawl a website. Websites (usually) have: -the main index.html in the main web folder ----a sub directory with its index.html -----a sub-sub directory with its index.html I link the sub-sub directory index.html to its sub directory index.html (one level up) ... and link the sub directory to the the main index.html (last level up). So bots should 'spider' from main index to sub directory... to sub-sub directory, correct? If the sub and sub-sub folder have pages, I link the pages to its index.html inside its directory, then link index to next up index. So bots should spider from main index ...through sub directory index... to actual pages.....Or....to sub-sub directory and down to the actual pages. 1. If the above is all correct, then why would Xenu see the pages in sub-directories or sub-sub directories as "orphans"? Why does Frontpage2000 say those images or pages in sub or sub-sub directories are unlinked...when they are linked index to index with actual pages linked to their index.html? 2. Obviously, I can't link "every" page (or image) to the main site index. Instead, I put a linked Topic on the site index that "points to" the sub/sub-sub directories with the page content. Does it also work if I have the main site index linked to an index2 where each page of that sub- or sub-sub directory is listed/linked? If those points are correct, why does Xenu / Frontpage see all pages given as links on index2 (and linked from index2 to the main index) as "orphans"? 3. Filezilla keeps uploading Frontpage's _hidden folders I don't know if I set up the exclusion correctly. Xenu keeps listing the _hidden folder images and pages. I can't just ignore or skip those entries because Xenu mixes them with non-hidden items in the orphan list. My main goal is just get orphan files linked correctly so "real" pages are linked, are accessible, are crawled correctly. 4. Lastly, if you have say an images folder with an index.html -- then should all index pages for similar type folders (e.g. images, photos, clipart) be 'linked' to one central non-accessible holding page? Like, I considered putting those as hiddenlinks on a page with noindex, nofollow.... OR list them without hiding them on one page. In other words... HOW do I make Frontpage AND bots think those specific pages/images ARE linked and are not orphans? REASON it matters:: I appreciate having the Unlinked Files section in Frontpage Reports, so if I forgot to link a page, or forgot to make a page for a photo, I can fix it. But if Fp lists 300 or 400 files, e.g. images or photos with each folder's index pages, it makes it harder to locate the "real" or "iimportant" unlinked pages/images. As websites grow, it doesn't help to have the Unlinked Report grow as well with all the unimportant ones listed there. But if I list/link images to its folder's index file, it defeats the purpose of having an index file to prevent access to a view contents of the directory. So, IS there any "good answer" or "best practices" to handle images/dir indexes that don't NEED to be listed for visitors... but will also get Frontpage and spiders to stop seeing those dirs/files as "unlinked orphans"? I tried Googling for basic to advanced info about ways to organize and link internal pages. I'm looking for detailed info about the best use of any file called "index" within a website, in terms of linking web content together. Anyone know of basic tutorials? When I search, I get results for how to write code "to make a link", or about "links" for SEO, affiliates, spamlinking, etc. I need tutorials that address organization, web "tree", structure...and not specific just to "site map". Hope my questions make sense and maybe the answers to my questions will help other webmasters too. Judy

    09/02/2013 05:32:21
    1. Re: [FreeHelp] Open Old Frontpage site for Rootsweb
    2. JFlorian
    3. Judy Thanks a lot - seems to open OK now with the first method and recalibrating the links Thanks much Charlie B ===== Kewl ! You must have crossed all your fingers and toes! (Sometimes Frontpage won't cooperate as easily.) Did you remember to do "the happy dance" afterward? LOL Remember... there is always more than just one way to 'trick' Frontpage into behaving like a program... instead of Frontpage acting like it never made its own pages. Judy

    09/02/2013 11:56:15
    1. Re: [FreeHelp] Open Old Frontpage site for Rootsweb
    2. Charlie Burkhardt
    3. Judy Thanks a lot - seems to open OK now with the first method and recalibrating the links Thanks much Charlie B On 9/1/2013 8:18 PM, JFlorian wrote: Charlie, When you downloaded the site, did Fp open the Web>pages ? If so, the links need recalibrated FIRST before the pages behave properly. Backup Copy If you have a backup of My Webs folder on your computer, on any backup device, etc... it's really simple. CLOSE Frontpage. This works in Fp2000... I assume it should work with Fp2003. IF you have stuff in an existing My Documents & Settings > My Webs...Rename whatever My Webs to My Webs 2. Make a new My Webs folder in My Documents. If you have an empty My Webs, skip the above. Open the My Webs (backup). Highlight all (main) Web folders. Copy into the computer's folder My Documents > My Webs. When they all are copied in, the next step is.... Take a deep breath... sip a beverage...cross fingers/toes.... Open Frontpage. Use the Nav -- File > Open Web > navigate to My Webs >pick one of yours. Double-click OR navigate to the index of that web and open (continue holding breath--this is the trickiest part). If it opens, FIRST recalibrate links in Frontpage. Let it do it's thing. Afterward, open some others to get Fp recognizing its own pages and to check the pages yourself. If you got this far with success, next, with Frontpage open, kiss monitor, do a happy dance, and repeat "backups are good". IF Frontpage crashes or does not open the first page you picked, don't despair. Alternate way CLOSE Frontpage. Open My Documents > My Webs > pick a web > pick a page If you have all htm/html pages associated as "Open with Frontpage2003" just double click any page//file. See if Fp opens the page// e.g. the web. If yes... recalibrate links. If not... Try a different page//file.... but this time, Right click... Select "Open with"... choose Frontpage. Either way... if you get Fp to open an existing page, recalibrate links... open several pages, get Fp to start 'seeing' it's own pages again. If you can get Fp to re-recognize ONE web, it should recognize any other ones you have. Pat G. can let you know if Fp2003 is any different than I described. Judy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [1]FREEPAGES-HELP-request @rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com

    09/02/2013 06:36:21
    1. Re: [FreeHelp] Open Old Frontpage site for Rootsweb
    2. JFlorian
    3. Charlie, Here's a link that's kinda saying the same thing I was saying, that is, Frontpage needs to be 'reminded' that files it made are still its babies, even if Frontpage left one "house" (computer) and found a new "house" (reinstall) and left its babies (files/folders) at the babysitter (backup drive). http://en.allexperts.com/q/Microsoft-Frontpage-1558/2009/6/Frontpage-2003-Folders-Showing.htm I found Frontpage2000 sometimes needs "tricked" though to get its self back to recognizing its own folders/pages. Judy

    09/01/2013 10:39:42
    1. Re: [FreeHelp] Open Old Frontpage site for Rootsweb
    2. JFlorian
    3. Charlie, When you downloaded the site, did Fp open the Web>pages ? If so, the links need recalibrated FIRST before the pages behave properly. Backup Copy If you have a backup of My Webs folder on your computer, on any backup device, etc... it's really simple. CLOSE Frontpage. This works in Fp2000... I assume it should work with Fp2003. IF you have stuff in an existing My Documents & Settings > My Webs...Rename whatever My Webs to My Webs 2. Make a new My Webs folder in My Documents. If you have an empty My Webs, skip the above. Open the My Webs (backup). Highlight all (main) Web folders. Copy into the computer's folder My Documents > My Webs. When they all are copied in, the next step is.... Take a deep breath... sip a beverage...cross fingers/toes.... Open Frontpage. Use the Nav -- File > Open Web > navigate to My Webs >pick one of yours. Double-click OR navigate to the index of that web and open (continue holding breath--this is the trickiest part). If it opens, FIRST recalibrate links in Frontpage. Let it do it's thing. Afterward, open some others to get Fp recognizing its own pages and to check the pages yourself. If you got this far with success, next, with Frontpage open, kiss monitor, do a happy dance, and repeat "backups are good". IF Frontpage crashes or does not open the first page you picked, don't despair. Alternate way CLOSE Frontpage. Open My Documents > My Webs > pick a web > pick a page If you have all htm/html pages associated as "Open with Frontpage2003" just double click any page//file. See if Fp opens the page// e.g. the web. If yes... recalibrate links. If not... Try a different page//file.... but this time, Right click... Select "Open with"... choose Frontpage. Either way... if you get Fp to open an existing page, recalibrate links... open several pages, get Fp to start 'seeing' it's own pages again. If you can get Fp to re-recognize ONE web, it should recognize any other ones you have. Pat G. can let you know if Fp2003 is any different than I described. Judy

    09/01/2013 05:18:38
    1. Re: [FreeHelp] Open Old Frontpage site for Rootsweb
    2. Charlie Burkhardt
    3. Pat Thanks However the file downloaded from RootsWeb to my computer appears to not have any Navigation displays in my FrontPage! Hence I would have to rebuild the site. In step 5 of your help instructions: [1]http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gearyfamily/frontpage/remo te-publishing.htm Step 5 was confusing: Step 5: In the next dialogue box, Check FTP as the method to transfer your files > Use Passive FTP > If you want the remote site to open in a particular directory, add the directory name to Root Directory. If you do not enter a directory, all available directories will be shown when you sign on to the remote site. I did not do anything there. As an alternative is there a way to get the reinstalled FrontPage to recognize the old recovered FrontPage file from the old My Website file in my documents with the special FP Folder Icon. Thanks Charlie B On 9/1/2013 9:58 AM, Pat Geary wrote: At 12:48 PM 9/1/2013, you wrote: Recovering from computer crash - full reinstall. Reinstalled FrontPage 2003 In My Documents / My Websites - I have the my FrontPage file. It has the File Icon with a green dot. I am not able to open the file from the FrontPage / File / Open menu. When "Open" is selected there are not any files visable for selection except: _private images desktop.ini File of Type - All files (*.*) How can I open this file in FrontPage or be able to download my present site data to FrontPage? I realize it may be best to move on from FrontPage and will do so after I can resolve this problem. [2]http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gearyfamily/frontpage/remo te-publishing.htm However, for me, the easiest way is to use Filezilla to sign on to the server and copy the files from the server to your hard drive. pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [3]FREEPAGES-HELP-request @rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gearyfamily/frontpage/remote-publishing.htm 2. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gearyfamily/frontpage/remote-publishing.htm 3. mailto:FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com

    09/01/2013 01:16:26
    1. Re: [FreeHelp] When looking for HTML help, Google gives humorous results
    2. Ralph Taylor
    3. Judy asked "Can a comment tag go in HEAD as well as BODY?" To review, a HTML comment is enclosed by an opening left carat, exclamation point & two dashes, then a closing two dashes & right carat, like this: <!-- comment --> (If viewing this in HTML, you will not see the line above.) I googled "html comment" and got http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_comment.asp, which said "The comment tag is used to insert comments in the source code. Comments are not displayed in the browsers. "You can use comments to explain your code, which can help you when you edit the source code at a later date. This is especially useful if you have a lot of code. "It is also a good practice to use the comment tag to "hide" scripts from browsers without support for it (so they don't show them as plain text):" It then shows a comment enclosed within script tags. (Often, script tags are in the doc head.) While it doesn't say specifically, it implies comments can be in the head section and I've often used them there with good effect. A comment can also be used to temporarily disable HTML code, as it is ignored by browsers, but not by the script. A comment within CSS is different in form. Googling "html css comment" led to http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_syntax.asp, which said "CSS Comments Comments are used to explain your code, and may help you when you edit the source code at a later date. Comments are ignored by browsers. A CSS comment begins with "/*", and ends with "*/", like this: /*This is a comment*/" CSS comments have the same uses as HTML comments, either to explain code or disable it. -rt_/)

    09/01/2013 07:33:37
    1. Re: [FreeHelp] Open Old Frontpage site for Rootsweb
    2. Pat Geary
    3. At 12:48 PM 9/1/2013, you wrote: >Recovering from computer crash - full reinstall. > Reinstalled FrontPage 2003 > In My Documents / My Websites - I have the my FrontPage file. It has the > File Icon with a green dot. > I am not able to open the file from the FrontPage / File / Open menu. When > "Open" is selected there are not any files visable for selection except: > _private > images > desktop.ini > File of Type - All files (*.*) > How can I open this file in FrontPage or be able to download my > present site > data to FrontPage? > I realize it may be best to move on from FrontPage and will do so after I > can resolve this problem. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gearyfamily/frontpage/remote-publishing.htm However, for me, the easiest way is to use Filezilla to sign on to the server and copy the files from the server to your hard drive. pat

    09/01/2013 06:58:01
    1. [FreeHelp] Open Old Frontpage site for Rootsweb
    2. Charlie Burkhardt
    3. Recovering from computer crash - full reinstall. Reinstalled FrontPage 2003 In My Documents / My Websites - I have the my FrontPage file. It has the File Icon with a green dot. I am not able to open the file from the FrontPage / File / Open menu. When "Open" is selected there are not any files visable for selection except: _private images desktop.ini File of Type - All files (*.*) How can I open this file in FrontPage or be able to download my present site data to FrontPage? I realize it may be best to move on from FrontPage and will do so after I can resolve this problem. Thanks Charlie B

    09/01/2013 03:48:11
    1. Re: [FreeHelp] When looking for HTML help, Google gives humorous results
    2. Pat Geary
    3. At 10:45 PM 8/31/2013, you wrote: >News for where can comment go in html (link was to news story about a >judge... guess people want to 'comment him out' too LOL) >Just a bit humorous to get a "news" link. > > >What I wanted to know is: Can a comment tag go in HEAD as well as BODY? =========== Yes you can add comments to the head section as well as body section http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gearyfamily/expression-web/commenting-html.htm View source and you can see how I have added comments to the head section. pat

    09/01/2013 02:30:58
    1. Re: [FreeHelp] Problem with a graphic
    2. Barry Carlson
    3. Jeanne, The image format is flawed, and Firefox in particular often refuses to display .gif images with non conforming image headers. If you wish to use the image, I'll send it to you in .jpg format. But remember you are scaling it "up" and distorting it at the same time, which results in pixelation. Barry ------------------- On Sun, 01 Sep 2013 01:01:42 +1200, Jeanne Hicks <jmcolby_hicks@yahoo.com> wrote: > If a picture will show up in IE and Chrome, what would make that same > picture notshow up in Firefox and how do I "fix" it? > > The page I am referring to is at http://www.ancestraltrackers.net/va

    09/01/2013 01:32:04
    1. [FreeHelp] When looking for HTML help, Google gives humorous results
    2. JFlorian
    3. News for where can comment go in html (link was to news story about a judge... guess people want to 'comment him out' too LOL) Just a bit humorous to get a "news" link. What I wanted to know is: Can a comment tag go in HEAD as well as BODY? Judy

    08/31/2013 04:45:53
    1. Re: [FreeHelp] Frontpage2000 and close body close html tags
    2. JFlorian
    3. Barry pointed out that I can't interrupt a li section with a paragraph break. The only thing I found wrong so far with pages with missing end tags is I had an empty <.p></p> in my nav section, like <.li>&nbsp;</li> <.p></p> <.li>&nbsp;</li> </ul> When I remove the <p tag there.... and stick back in the lost end tags at the bottom, each page validates. So would that p error inside a list, by itself be enough to knock out the closing for body and html? Or do I keep looking for something else? Too bad Fp doesn't do a 2 lines at once in Find>Replace Sigh. Judy

    08/31/2013 11:41:50
    1. Re: [FreeHelp] Problem with a graphic
    2. Jill Muir
    3. Hi Jeanne, Your image: <a href="http://www.ancestraltrackers.net/va/images/ships.gif"> is not showing and neither is your guestbook icon <a href="http://www.ancestraltrackers.net/va/view.gif"> I searched with both FireFox which is actually a brilliant browser, IE and Opera. All these browsers show the website and all but Firefox show the image it is *only* Firefox which tells me that <a href="http://www.ancestraltrackers.net/va/images/ships.gif"> 'cannot display the image as there are errors.' I have displayed a photograph this way: <td> <a href="images/young-frank.jpg" title="Photograph of my grandfather Frank Knight of Williamstown, Llantrisant, Glamorgan, aged ca 17 years."> <img alt="Photograph of Frank Knight in 1901" src="images/young-frank-sm.jpg" height="161" width="106"></a><br> <strong>Frank Knight</strong>, as a young man aged about 17 years, so taken ca.1899. </td> You have: <td align="center"><a href="http://www.ancestraltrackers.net/va/"> <img src="http://www.ancestraltrackers.net/va/images/valogo.jpg" height="200" width="300"></a></td> But you have <center><img src="images/ships.gif" height="200" width="400"></center> I think you'll have to correct this so it will look good in *all* browsers! :-) BTW You should be using 'align center' in your css nowadays as this is now deprecated in html. See http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/present/graphics.html You also use <font face="tahoma" size="4" color="black"> which is better shown in your css. All that aside, I like the colours on your site and it doesn't look too fussy either. Nice site. Jill -----Original Message----- From: freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeanne Hicks Sent: 31 August 2013 14:02 To: FREEPAGES-HELP@rootsweb.com Subject: [FreeHelp] Problem with a graphic I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but I am out of ideas! When I work on a website, I always start by trying to get everything laid out and the background graphics, etc all worked out first. That way I don't have to go back and redo a lot of pages. Anyways, I thought I had it all ready and loaded it so I could view it. I had both IE and chrome on my computer and I also asked a friend what she thought. She uses Firefox and told me that the first image didn't show. So I downloaded Firefox (which, by the way I do not care for) only to see exactly what she was talking about. So here's my question. If a picture will show up in IE and Chrome, what would make that same picture not show up in Firefox and how do I "fix" it? The page I am referring to is at www.ancestraltrackers.net/va Thanks for any assistance. Jeanne  

    08/31/2013 11:20:52
    1. [FreeHelp] Frontpage2000 and close body close html tags
    2. JFlorian
    3. What are possible causes for pages to lose the close body close html tags? This is on my misc site. Pat G made the CSS. When I made pages, I opened and copied (save as) the template, saved with new name, added content, and saved the new page. The template ends with <!-- end of footer container --> </div> <!-- end of inner container --> </div> <!-- end of outer wrapper container --> </div> </div> </body> </html> The bad pages end ONLY with the 2 closing divs. No end body, end html. I copy that section (above) back into a 'bad' page, run it through validator, and the page is fine. But when I recheck the page after saving, it loses the closing body and closing html -- again. How can I find what Frontpage sees as an error, why it removes the closing tags? And, probably impossible but... is there any way to easily find which pages are missing those 2 closing tags? Besides opening 800-some pages? Judy

    08/31/2013 10:44:44
    1. Re: [FreeHelp] Problem with a graphic
    2. Jana Cortez
    3. Thank you Barry. I believe you have explained it so that I can understand it. Jan -----Original Message----- From: Barry Carlson Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:32 PM To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Problem with a graphic Jeanne, The image format is flawed, and Firefox in particular often refuses to display .gif images with non conforming image headers. If you wish to use the image, I'll send it to you in .jpg format. But remember you are scaling it "up" and distorting it at the same time, which results in pixelation. Barry ------------------- On Sun, 01 Sep 2013 01:01:42 +1200, Jeanne Hicks <jmcolby_hicks@yahoo.com> wrote: > If a picture will show up in IE and Chrome, what would make that same > picture notshow up in Firefox and how do I "fix" it? > > The page I am referring to is at http://www.ancestraltrackers.net/va ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    08/31/2013 09:47:40
    1. Re: [FreeHelp] Problem with a graphic
    2. Jana Cortez
    3. I am reading all these posts, and I have heard all the mistakes that have been made in the page, but, have yet to hear anyone say why the one ship graphic does not show up in Firefox and it is done exactly the same as the other two. Could some one please answer that question??? Jan -----Original Message----- From: JFlorian Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:04 PM To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Problem with a graphic Hi Jeanne, On your submit under your form, it goes to an oops page on RW. The two RW banners there are squished to the top. On your page for the guestbook, make sure it has its closing body / closing html in the right places, to push the bottom RW banner to the bottom. Jeanne, w3 validator has become my friend lately, e.g. I've actually understood what it said LOL. When it didn't make sense, I looked down to the "tidy" section it gives, and compared its output with my and Frontpage2000 code. Have you tried running the page through the validator? Webmaking sure is maddening at times. Judy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    08/31/2013 09:33:20