>I've used FP and used the drag and drop method of uploading my >images/web pages, etc.and in instances where I needed to add more images to >a page I would copy and paste the code required in file manager, and add >the http. I was therefore delighted when I recently uploaded new pages done >with EW to find that all my images appeared as if by magic, without having >to go through the laborious task of adding the http to every image. > >However, my delight was short lived when I added three more images >yesterday to my page to find that none of them showed, not even a blank >square! > >My question is, how can I add more images or amend an existing web page >without this happening. ==================== Valerie, it is difficult to help with display issues without seeing the actual page and the underlying code with the supporting files. EW is NOT a WYSIWYG editor. This might help http://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/trouble-shooting-images.html http://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/picture-properties.html Images that do not display on a page are usually caused by 1. image not published 2. path to image not correct in your html code 3. file name not the same in the html code as the actual image. >where I needed to add more images to >a page I would copy and paste the code required in file manager, and add >the http. I'm not sure what you are actually doing here. Are you actually working within EW or by FIle Manager do you mean the RW file manager? If you drag an image file to a new page, the Accessibility Properties dialog box should pop up allowing you to add an alt tag to the image. The code is inserted into the page BUT will look like this if you have not saved the page first. <p...><img src="file:///D:/Documents/My%20Web%20Sites/huu-revision2/images/625chalice_sample.gif" width="60" height="52" /></p> Once you save the page, the path to the image will resolve as long as the image is part of the actual site you have created. That is one reason you should always save your page first before starting to add image. >I also tried to add another line in the title of the page, which had the >effect of pushing everything down a line, and, yes you've guessed it, ALL >the images disappeared. When you say title of your page, I am assuming you mean the H1 tag which is normally the title of the page. All that should do is wrap the text if it will not fit on one line OR you have used the br tag to break the line. If your images disappeared, I would assume the code for the table you are using to contain the images in the gallery was deleted. Looking at your code, I am assuming you are trying to use EW in the same way you did FP which accounts for all of the autostyle# in the head section. See http://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/style1-created.html More later as I need to hang the laundry on the line. pat
This is a question probably best answered by Pat, as it concerns EW. For many years I've used FP and used the drag and drop method of uploading my images/web pages, etc.and in instances where I needed to add more images to a page I would copy and paste the code required in file manager, and add the http. I was therefore delighted when I recently uploaded new pages done with EW to find that all my images appeared as if by magic, without having to go through the laborious task of adding the http to every image. However, my delight was short lived when I added three more images yesterday to my page to find that none of them showed, not even a blank square! I also tried to add another line in the title of the page, which had the effect of pushing everything down a line, and, yes you've guessed it, ALL the images disappeared. Luckily I'd previewed it before saving. My question is, how can I add more images or amend an existing web page without this happening. Valerie
Hi Valerie, It looks by your photo links as if you have identified them, at least they are not image-23a or such like. The first one on your page is called heyes/georgeheyes-small.jpg and heyes/georgeheyes_large.jpg My best wishes, Jill -----Original Message----- From: freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Valerie lirakis Sent: 03 October 2013 15:13 To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 8, Issue 147 Thanks to everyone who replied to my query. However, your solutions would only work if there was a positive id to every photo, which is not the case with my web pages. Many of them have not been identified, and the reason I give the photos a reference is to enable anyone who recognises them to respond to the Rootsweb mailing list, quoting that reference. I still cannot see any point in directing the viewer to a photo which hasn't been identified. The whole point is that people should browse ALL the images on the offchance that they may relate to someone in their family tree - which incidentally has happened on a number of occasions, making the exercise worth the effort. As it happened, shortly after I posted my message to this list, the viewer who originally sparked this discussion emailed me again to say that she had merely wondered if there was an index to the photos, as she had been in a rush when she first looked at them. She acknowledged that one should never be in a hurry when dealing with family history matters! Valerie On 3 October 2013 08:00, <freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to > which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. > Remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with > the message subject to which you are replying. > ***FREEPAGES HELP & FAQ*** > <http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/FAQ/fpindex.html> > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Advice on web navigation (Ralph Taylor) > 2. Re: Advice on web navigation (Billie Walsh) > 3. Re: Advice on web navigation (Jill Muir) > 4. Re: Advice on web navigation (Pat Geary) > 5. Re: Advice on web navigation (Barry Carlson) > 6. Re: Advice on web navigation (Barry Carlson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 12:44:34 -0600 > From: "Ralph Taylor" <rt-sails@comcast.net> > Subject: [FreeHelp] Advice on web navigation > To: <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <866B2C1415EB4F12929B462587806C03@Ralphs> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Valerie wrote (in part): > "I've recently received an email asking if there is any way one could > search the photogallery without having to click on every individual > image. I can only assume that what is meant is a separate list > relating to each reference... However, I just wonder if anyone might > have any ideas on this." > > Pat Asher, at > http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pasher/anchors.htm, > suggests an answer: Create "anchors", unique URLs within the same page. > These anchors can then be linked from elsewhere on your site (or other > sites). > > Let's assume the anchor's name or ID is "pic3274" and it's in the page > "pics.htm". To link to it, use the tag > <.a href="pics.htm#pic3273">text</a>. > It's the pound sign (#) that directs to the location within the page. > > The technicians seem to write about this as a "page fragment" and the > anchor as a "fragid". Not sure if they pronounce it fra-gid, fra-jid > or frag-I-D. > > But, there's a problem in creating the URL "pic3274" in pics.htm. > Pat's way is to enclose the image with the tag </a > name="pic3274">image</a>. That was valid up through HTML4.01, but the > name attribute is not supported in HTML5; it may soon go away > entirely. Now, one must use the id= attribute and it's not allowed in > an "<a" tag; so it's not a simple matter of doing a global > search-and-replace from name= to id=. > > How to resolve the dilemma? > W3C, at http://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_global_id.asp, says "In > HTML5, the id attribute can be used on any HTML element (it will > validate on any HTML element. However, it is not necessarily useful)." > It also says "The id attribute specifies a unique id for an HTML > element (the value must be unique within the HTML document)." And, > each id "Must contain at least one character {rt: empty strings direct > to the top of the doc}; Must not contain any space characters; In > HTML, all values are case-insensitive", > > So, you can assign a unique id to the HTML element to which you want > to direct a viewer. > > For images, one could put the id attribute within the image tag, e.g, > <.img id="pic3274" src="images/pic3274">. > One could also do it with headings, paragraphs, list items, table > cells, etc. (You could even create a span to put an id to.) > > Thanks, Valerie; your question helped me work through this issue. > Because I've been using the name attribute a lot, I've got some > upgrading to do and wasn't sure quite how. > -rt_/) > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 14:27:01 -0500 > From: Billie Walsh <bilwalsh@swbell.net> > Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Advice on web navigation > To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <524C7385.309@swbell.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I ALWAYS give my pictures some kind of name. Well, maybe not > incidental images that I use for filler, divider or something. > > This is an image tag from my crrent project: > > <img src="../pics/albert_l_richardson.png" width="669" height="969" > alt="Albert Louis Richardson" style="border: 6px solid black;" /> > > > > > On 10/02/2013 01:44 PM, Ralph Taylor wrote: > > For images, one could put the id attribute within the image tag, e.g, > > <.img id="pic3274" src="images/pic3274">. > > One could also do it with headings, paragraphs, list items, table > > cells, etc. (You could even create a span to put an id to.) > > > -- > > A cat is a puzzle with no solution. > > Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. > > When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. > > _ _... ..._ _ > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 22:30:20 +0100 > From: "Jill Muir" <jill@shottle.plus.com> > Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Advice on web navigation > To: <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000c01cebfb6$99900a30$ccb01e90$@shottle.plus.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > So do I Billie > > My best wishes, Jill > > -----Original Message----- > From: freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Billie Walsh > Sent: 02 October 2013 20:27 > To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Advice on web navigation > > I ALWAYS give my pictures some kind of name. Well, maybe not > incidental images that I use for filler, divider or something. > > This is an image tag from my crrent project: > > <img src="../pics/albert_l_richardson.png" width="669" height="969" > alt="Albert Louis Richardson" style="border: 6px solid black;" /> > > > > > On 10/02/2013 01:44 PM, Ralph Taylor wrote: > > For images, one could put the id attribute within the image tag, e.g, > > <.img id="pic3274" src="images/pic3274">. > > One could also do it with headings, paragraphs, list items, table > > cells, etc. (You could even create a span to put an id to.) > > > -- > > A cat is a puzzle with no solution. > > Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. > > When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. > > _ _... ..._ _ > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 17:35:05 -0400 > From: Pat Geary <pat@the-gearys.com> > Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Advice on web navigation > To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <201310022202.r92M2jLm026978@mail.rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 03:27 PM 10/2/2013, you wrote: > >I ALWAYS give my pictures some kind of name. Well, maybe not > >incidental images that I use for filler, divider or something. > > > I do too. I helped redo a site with loads of pictures and all of them > had a series of numbers as the file name. Made it really hard to try > and work on the site recoding pages. > > pat > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 13:36:45 +1300 > From: "Barry Carlson" <barrycarlson@vodafone.co.nz> > Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Advice on web navigation > To: rt-sails@comcast.net, freepages-help@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <op.w4crzjq02mma7t@user-pc.localdomain> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; > delsp=yes > > To clear up something in a previous post; it should be emphasized that > - > > <a id="something" name="something" > href="go-somewhere.html">something</a> > > is a perfectly legal tag up-to HTML5. > > The following is an excerpt from - > > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/a > > " <a> attributes > 'name' HTML 4 only, Obsolete since HTML5 > This attribute is required in an anchor defining a target > location within a page. A value for 'name' is similar to a value for > the 'id' core attribute and should be an alphanumeric identifier unique to the document. > Under the HTML 4.01 specification, 'id' and 'name' both can be used > with the <a> element as long as they have identical values. > > Usage note: This 'name' attribute is obsolete in HTML5, use > global attribute 'id' instead. " > > The 'id' attribute is valid in an <a> tag both in HTML4 and HTML5. > > Barry > > -------------------------- > > On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 07:44:34 +1300, Ralph Taylor > <rt-sails@comcast.net> wrote in part: > > > But, there's a problem in creating the URL "pic3274" in pics.htm. > > Pat's way is to enclose the image with the tag </a > > name="pic3274">image</a>. That was valid up through HTML4.01, but > > the name attribute is not supported in HTML5; it may soon go away > > entirely. Now, one must use the id= attribute and it's not allowed > > in an "<a" tag; so it's not a simple matter of doing a global > > search-and-replace from name= to id=. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 16:16:32 +1300 > From: "Barry Carlson" <barrycarls@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Advice on web navigation > To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <op.w4czdujszossfh@user-pc.localdomain> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; > delsp=yes > > On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 13:36:45 +1300, Barry Carlson > <barrycarlson@vodafone.co.nz> wrote: > > > is a perfectly legal tag up-to HTML5. > > My bad! The above should have read HTML4. > > The rest is OK. > > Barry > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the FREEPAGES-HELP list administrator, send an email to > FREEPAGES-HELP-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the FREEPAGES-HELP mailing list, send an email to > FREEPAGES-HELP@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the email with no additional text. > > > End of FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 8, Issue 147 > ********************************************** > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
On 10/03/2013 03:09 PM, Ralph Taylor wrote: > That's good; the alt attribute gives a viewer who can't see the image a text > description. > > But it's not linkable; you can't send a viewer to the specific image within > the page. To accomplish linkability, you'd just need to add something like > id="albert_l_richardson" to the image tag. For multiple images of him, you'd > need to distinguish between the images. Those images are not linked. The images are shown full size on their page. The image and the personal data that goes with the person in the picture is linked from an index page. When I looked most of the images on the original posters page in question had names like the digital camera puts on them, "img20164.jpg" or something similar. A name like that doesn't have a particular meaning. If the picture is an unknown give it some kind of meaningful name. Even something like "red_school_class_194-.jpg". Make a best guesstimate. And then don't have the picture open on a blank blank page. Put whatever information/guesses you have along with the submitters information. Sometimes even if the submitter doesn't know who that person is their name will "ring a bell" with the visitor and jog their memory. Then, IF someone can identify the picture you can add whatever information they supply along with their contact information. I have one site that has 1920 Census images. I linked the images as images and let the browser open the image directly. Makes it simple if someone wants to save to their computer for their records. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._
This may not be what Valerie was asking. but it may be useful to remind Windows users that WordPad is still on your computer, and that it can do global searches of the contents of an entire folder/directory. And even though Search/Replace is not applicable to Valarie's question, in cases where it is appropriate, WordPad can to that to an entire directory in one operation. On 10/3/2013 3:00 AM, freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 12:44:34 -0600 > From: "Ralph Taylor" <rt-sails@comcast.net> > Subject: [FreeHelp] Advice on web navigation > To: <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <866B2C1415EB4F12929B462587806C03@Ralphs> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Valerie wrote (in part): > "I've recently received an email asking if there is any way one could search > the photogallery without having to click on every individual image. I can > only assume that what is meant is a separate list relating to each > reference... However, I just wonder if anyone might have any ideas on this." > > Pat Asher, at > http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pasher/anchors.htm, > suggests an answer: Create "anchors", unique URLs within the same page. > These anchors can then be linked from elsewhere on your site (or other > sites). > > Let's assume the anchor's name or ID is "pic3274" and it's in the page > "pics.htm". To link to it, use the tag > <.a href="pics.htm#pic3273">text</a>. > It's the pound sign (#) that directs to the location within the page. > > The technicians seem to write about this as a "page fragment" and the anchor > as a "fragid". Not sure if they pronounce it fra-gid, fra-jid or frag-I-D. > > But, there's a problem in creating the URL "pic3274" in pics.htm. Pat's way > is to enclose the image with the tag </a name="pic3274">image</a>. That was > valid up through HTML4.01, but the name attribute is not supported in HTML5; > it may soon go away entirely. Now, one must use the id= attribute and it's > not allowed in an "<a" tag; so it's not a simple matter of doing a global > search-and-replace from name= to id=. > > How to resolve the dilemma? > W3C, at http://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_global_id.asp, says "In HTML5, the > id attribute can be used on any HTML element (it will validate on any HTML > element. However, it is not necessarily useful)." It also says "The id > attribute specifies a unique id for an HTML element (the value must be > unique within the HTML document)." And, each id "Must contain at least one > character {rt: empty strings direct to the top of the doc}; Must not contain > any space characters; In HTML, all values are case-insensitive", > > So, you can assign a unique id to the HTML element to which you want to > direct a viewer. > > For images, one could put the id attribute within the image tag, e.g, > <.img id="pic3274" src="images/pic3274">. > One could also do it with headings, paragraphs, list items, table cells, > etc. (You could even create a span to put an id to.) > > Thanks, Valerie; your question helped me work through this issue. Because > I've been using the name attribute a lot, I've got some upgrading to do and > wasn't sure quite how. > -rt_/)
Bill, The reason a global search-and-replace won't work here is that the replacement text will vary. The part to find is easy, "<a name=". What requires human intervention is where to put the "id=" part and what to do about the closing </a> tag. (I suppose you could just leave those unopened closing tags lying around useless.) The id attribute has to be within an HTML element tag, either an existing one or one purposely created to hold it. That means some fussing around in the code. -rt_/) Message: 6 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 16:59:56 -0400 From: Bill Thompson <billthompson76@gmail.com> Subject: [FreeHelp] 1. Advice on web navigation (Ralph Taylor) To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <524DDACC.2070309@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed This may not be what Valerie was asking. but it may be useful to remind Windows users that WordPad is still on your computer, and that it can do global searches of the contents of an entire folder/directory. And even though Search/Replace is not applicable to Valarie's question, in cases where it is appropriate, WordPad can to that to an entire directory in one operation.
On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 13:36:45 +1300, Barry Carlson <barrycarlson@vodafone.co.nz> wrote: > is a perfectly legal tag up-to HTML5. My bad! The above should have read HTML4. The rest is OK. Barry
Thanks to everyone who replied to my query. However, your solutions would only work if there was a positive id to every photo, which is not the case with my web pages. Many of them have not been identified, and the reason I give the photos a reference is to enable anyone who recognises them to respond to the Rootsweb mailing list, quoting that reference. I still cannot see any point in directing the viewer to a photo which hasn't been identified. The whole point is that people should browse ALL the images on the offchance that they may relate to someone in their family tree - which incidentally has happened on a number of occasions, making the exercise worth the effort. As it happened, shortly after I posted my message to this list, the viewer who originally sparked this discussion emailed me again to say that she had merely wondered if there was an index to the photos, as she had been in a rush when she first looked at them. She acknowledged that one should never be in a hurry when dealing with family history matters! Valerie On 3 October 2013 08:00, <freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to > which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. > Remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the > message subject to which you are replying. > ***FREEPAGES HELP & FAQ*** > <http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/FAQ/fpindex.html> > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Advice on web navigation (Ralph Taylor) > 2. Re: Advice on web navigation (Billie Walsh) > 3. Re: Advice on web navigation (Jill Muir) > 4. Re: Advice on web navigation (Pat Geary) > 5. Re: Advice on web navigation (Barry Carlson) > 6. Re: Advice on web navigation (Barry Carlson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 12:44:34 -0600 > From: "Ralph Taylor" <rt-sails@comcast.net> > Subject: [FreeHelp] Advice on web navigation > To: <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <866B2C1415EB4F12929B462587806C03@Ralphs> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Valerie wrote (in part): > "I've recently received an email asking if there is any way one could > search > the photogallery without having to click on every individual image. I can > only assume that what is meant is a separate list relating to each > reference... However, I just wonder if anyone might have any ideas on > this." > > Pat Asher, at > http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pasher/anchors.htm, > suggests an answer: Create "anchors", unique URLs within the same page. > These anchors can then be linked from elsewhere on your site (or other > sites). > > Let's assume the anchor's name or ID is "pic3274" and it's in the page > "pics.htm". To link to it, use the tag > <.a href="pics.htm#pic3273">text</a>. > It's the pound sign (#) that directs to the location within the page. > > The technicians seem to write about this as a "page fragment" and the > anchor > as a "fragid". Not sure if they pronounce it fra-gid, fra-jid or frag-I-D. > > But, there's a problem in creating the URL "pic3274" in pics.htm. Pat's way > is to enclose the image with the tag </a name="pic3274">image</a>. That was > valid up through HTML4.01, but the name attribute is not supported in > HTML5; > it may soon go away entirely. Now, one must use the id= attribute and it's > not allowed in an "<a" tag; so it's not a simple matter of doing a global > search-and-replace from name= to id=. > > How to resolve the dilemma? > W3C, at http://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_global_id.asp, says "In HTML5, > the > id attribute can be used on any HTML element (it will validate on any HTML > element. However, it is not necessarily useful)." It also says "The id > attribute specifies a unique id for an HTML element (the value must be > unique within the HTML document)." And, each id "Must contain at least one > character {rt: empty strings direct to the top of the doc}; Must not > contain > any space characters; In HTML, all values are case-insensitive", > > So, you can assign a unique id to the HTML element to which you want to > direct a viewer. > > For images, one could put the id attribute within the image tag, e.g, > <.img id="pic3274" src="images/pic3274">. > One could also do it with headings, paragraphs, list items, table cells, > etc. (You could even create a span to put an id to.) > > Thanks, Valerie; your question helped me work through this issue. Because > I've been using the name attribute a lot, I've got some upgrading to do and > wasn't sure quite how. > -rt_/) > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 14:27:01 -0500 > From: Billie Walsh <bilwalsh@swbell.net> > Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Advice on web navigation > To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <524C7385.309@swbell.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I ALWAYS give my pictures some kind of name. Well, maybe not incidental > images that I use for filler, divider or something. > > This is an image tag from my crrent project: > > <img src="../pics/albert_l_richardson.png" width="669" height="969" > alt="Albert Louis Richardson" style="border: 6px solid black;" /> > > > > > On 10/02/2013 01:44 PM, Ralph Taylor wrote: > > For images, one could put the id attribute within the image tag, e.g, > > <.img id="pic3274" src="images/pic3274">. > > One could also do it with headings, paragraphs, list items, table cells, > > etc. (You could even create a span to put an id to.) > > > -- > > A cat is a puzzle with no solution. > > Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. > > When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. > > _ _... ..._ _ > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 22:30:20 +0100 > From: "Jill Muir" <jill@shottle.plus.com> > Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Advice on web navigation > To: <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000c01cebfb6$99900a30$ccb01e90$@shottle.plus.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > So do I Billie > > My best wishes, Jill > > -----Original Message----- > From: freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Billie Walsh > Sent: 02 October 2013 20:27 > To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Advice on web navigation > > I ALWAYS give my pictures some kind of name. Well, maybe not incidental > images that I use for filler, divider or something. > > This is an image tag from my crrent project: > > <img src="../pics/albert_l_richardson.png" width="669" height="969" > alt="Albert Louis Richardson" style="border: 6px solid black;" /> > > > > > On 10/02/2013 01:44 PM, Ralph Taylor wrote: > > For images, one could put the id attribute within the image tag, e.g, > > <.img id="pic3274" src="images/pic3274">. > > One could also do it with headings, paragraphs, list items, table > > cells, etc. (You could even create a span to put an id to.) > > > -- > > A cat is a puzzle with no solution. > > Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. > > When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. > > _ _... ..._ _ > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 17:35:05 -0400 > From: Pat Geary <pat@the-gearys.com> > Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Advice on web navigation > To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <201310022202.r92M2jLm026978@mail.rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 03:27 PM 10/2/2013, you wrote: > >I ALWAYS give my pictures some kind of name. Well, maybe not incidental > >images that I use for filler, divider or something. > > > I do too. I helped redo a site with loads of pictures and all of them > had a series of numbers as the file name. Made it really hard to try > and work on the site recoding pages. > > pat > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 13:36:45 +1300 > From: "Barry Carlson" <barrycarlson@vodafone.co.nz> > Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Advice on web navigation > To: rt-sails@comcast.net, freepages-help@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <op.w4crzjq02mma7t@user-pc.localdomain> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; > delsp=yes > > To clear up something in a previous post; it should be emphasized that - > > <a id="something" name="something" href="go-somewhere.html">something</a> > > is a perfectly legal tag up-to HTML5. > > The following is an excerpt from - > > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/a > > " <a> attributes > 'name' HTML 4 only, Obsolete since HTML5 > This attribute is required in an anchor defining a target location > within a page. A value for 'name' is similar to a value for the 'id' core > attribute and should be an alphanumeric identifier unique to the document. > Under the HTML 4.01 specification, 'id' and 'name' both can be used with > the <a> element as long as they have identical values. > > Usage note: This 'name' attribute is obsolete in HTML5, use global > attribute 'id' instead. " > > The 'id' attribute is valid in an <a> tag both in HTML4 and HTML5. > > Barry > > -------------------------- > > On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 07:44:34 +1300, Ralph Taylor <rt-sails@comcast.net> > wrote in part: > > > But, there's a problem in creating the URL "pic3274" in pics.htm. Pat's > > way > > is to enclose the image with the tag </a name="pic3274">image</a>. That > > was > > valid up through HTML4.01, but the name attribute is not supported in > > HTML5; > > it may soon go away entirely. Now, one must use the id= attribute and > > it's > > not allowed in an "<a" tag; so it's not a simple matter of doing a global > > search-and-replace from name= to id=. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 16:16:32 +1300 > From: "Barry Carlson" <barrycarls@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Advice on web navigation > To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <op.w4czdujszossfh@user-pc.localdomain> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; > delsp=yes > > On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 13:36:45 +1300, Barry Carlson > <barrycarlson@vodafone.co.nz> wrote: > > > is a perfectly legal tag up-to HTML5. > > My bad! The above should have read HTML4. > > The rest is OK. > > Barry > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the FREEPAGES-HELP list administrator, send an email to > FREEPAGES-HELP-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the FREEPAGES-HELP mailing list, send an email to > FREEPAGES-HELP@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 8, Issue 147 > ********************************************** >
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Valerie lirakis < valerie.lirakis@googlemail.com> wrote: I still cannot see any point in directing the viewer to a photo which hasn't been identified. ======= I dunno the 'right' answer, but I make links on my index page like: Unknown Man on Roof, Lock Four PA (Lock 4 is a small town) Judy
Billie wrote: "I ALWAYS give my pictures some kind of name... This is an image tag from my current project: <img src="../pics/albert_l_richardson.png" width="669" height="969" alt="Albert Louis Richardson" style="border: 6px solid black;" />" That's good; the alt attribute gives a viewer who can't see the image a text description. But it's not linkable; you can't send a viewer to the specific image within the page. To accomplish linkability, you'd just need to add something like id="albert_l_richardson" to the image tag. For multiple images of him, you'd need to distinguish between the images. In my current project, I'm using transcribed entries in Grantee and Grantor indexes of the 17th and 18th centuries as source citations. These index entries are mostly for real estate transactions; they describe who bought, who sold, what was bought/sold, when, and where the full document is (or once was) available. They are on one (long) page named gr_index.htm and are referenced from other pages. Because the transcriptions are in tables, they are named like this: <td id="T360-26"> where T360-26 identifies the transaction by page number in the original and its order on the page. The link to the entry looks like this: <a href="gr_index.htm#T360-10" target="_blank">text</a> It takes the viewer who clicks on the text directly to the relevant entry, without wading through the entire page. -rt_/)
To clear up something in a previous post; it should be emphasized that - <a id="something" name="something" href="go-somewhere.html">something</a> is a perfectly legal tag up-to HTML5. The following is an excerpt from - https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/a " <a> attributes 'name' HTML 4 only, Obsolete since HTML5 This attribute is required in an anchor defining a target location within a page. A value for 'name' is similar to a value for the 'id' core attribute and should be an alphanumeric identifier unique to the document. Under the HTML 4.01 specification, 'id' and 'name' both can be used with the <a> element as long as they have identical values. Usage note: This 'name' attribute is obsolete in HTML5, use global attribute 'id' instead. " The 'id' attribute is valid in an <a> tag both in HTML4 and HTML5. Barry -------------------------- On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 07:44:34 +1300, Ralph Taylor <rt-sails@comcast.net> wrote in part: > But, there's a problem in creating the URL "pic3274" in pics.htm. Pat's > way > is to enclose the image with the tag </a name="pic3274">image</a>. That > was > valid up through HTML4.01, but the name attribute is not supported in > HTML5; > it may soon go away entirely. Now, one must use the id= attribute and > it's > not allowed in an "<a" tag; so it's not a simple matter of doing a global > search-and-replace from name= to id=.
Even if you don't know the person in the picture you can use whatever you do know, or think, to give more information. When I looked at your page most of the thumbnails opened into a window that was just the picture on a solid black background. No information whatsoever. Anything that you could put on that page might help someone. On 10/03/2013 09:12 AM, Valerie lirakis wrote: > Thanks to everyone who replied to my query. However, your solutions would > only work if there was a positive id to every photo, which is not the case > with my web pages. Many of them have not been identified, and the reason I > give the photos a reference is to enable anyone who recognises them to > respond to the Rootsweb mailing list, quoting that reference. > > I still cannot see any point in directing the viewer to a photo which > hasn't been identified. The whole point is that people should browse ALL > the images on the offchance that they may relate to someone in their family > tree - which incidentally has happened on a number of occasions, making the > exercise worth the effort. > > As it happened, shortly after I posted my message to this list, the viewer > who originally sparked this discussion emailed me again to say that she had > merely wondered if there was an index to the photos, as she had been in a > rush when she first looked at them. She acknowledged that one should never > be in a hurry when dealing with family history matters! > > Valerie -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._
So do I Billie My best wishes, Jill -----Original Message----- From: freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Billie Walsh Sent: 02 October 2013 20:27 To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Advice on web navigation I ALWAYS give my pictures some kind of name. Well, maybe not incidental images that I use for filler, divider or something. This is an image tag from my crrent project: <img src="../pics/albert_l_richardson.png" width="669" height="969" alt="Albert Louis Richardson" style="border: 6px solid black;" /> On 10/02/2013 01:44 PM, Ralph Taylor wrote: > For images, one could put the id attribute within the image tag, e.g, > <.img id="pic3274" src="images/pic3274">. > One could also do it with headings, paragraphs, list items, table > cells, etc. (You could even create a span to put an id to.) -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
At 03:27 PM 10/2/2013, you wrote: >I ALWAYS give my pictures some kind of name. Well, maybe not incidental >images that I use for filler, divider or something. I do too. I helped redo a site with loads of pictures and all of them had a series of numbers as the file name. Made it really hard to try and work on the site recoding pages. pat
I ALWAYS give my pictures some kind of name. Well, maybe not incidental images that I use for filler, divider or something. This is an image tag from my crrent project: <img src="../pics/albert_l_richardson.png" width="669" height="969" alt="Albert Louis Richardson" style="border: 6px solid black;" /> On 10/02/2013 01:44 PM, Ralph Taylor wrote: > For images, one could put the id attribute within the image tag, e.g, > <.img id="pic3274" src="images/pic3274">. > One could also do it with headings, paragraphs, list items, table cells, > etc. (You could even create a span to put an id to.) -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._
Valerie wrote (in part): "I've recently received an email asking if there is any way one could search the photogallery without having to click on every individual image. I can only assume that what is meant is a separate list relating to each reference... However, I just wonder if anyone might have any ideas on this." Pat Asher, at http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pasher/anchors.htm, suggests an answer: Create "anchors", unique URLs within the same page. These anchors can then be linked from elsewhere on your site (or other sites). Let's assume the anchor's name or ID is "pic3274" and it's in the page "pics.htm". To link to it, use the tag <.a href="pics.htm#pic3273">text</a>. It's the pound sign (#) that directs to the location within the page. The technicians seem to write about this as a "page fragment" and the anchor as a "fragid". Not sure if they pronounce it fra-gid, fra-jid or frag-I-D. But, there's a problem in creating the URL "pic3274" in pics.htm. Pat's way is to enclose the image with the tag </a name="pic3274">image</a>. That was valid up through HTML4.01, but the name attribute is not supported in HTML5; it may soon go away entirely. Now, one must use the id= attribute and it's not allowed in an "<a" tag; so it's not a simple matter of doing a global search-and-replace from name= to id=. How to resolve the dilemma? W3C, at http://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_global_id.asp, says "In HTML5, the id attribute can be used on any HTML element (it will validate on any HTML element. However, it is not necessarily useful)." It also says "The id attribute specifies a unique id for an HTML element (the value must be unique within the HTML document)." And, each id "Must contain at least one character {rt: empty strings direct to the top of the doc}; Must not contain any space characters; In HTML, all values are case-insensitive", So, you can assign a unique id to the HTML element to which you want to direct a viewer. For images, one could put the id attribute within the image tag, e.g, <.img id="pic3274" src="images/pic3274">. One could also do it with headings, paragraphs, list items, table cells, etc. (You could even create a span to put an id to.) Thanks, Valerie; your question helped me work through this issue. Because I've been using the name attribute a lot, I've got some upgrading to do and wasn't sure quite how. -rt_/)
At 09:16 AM 10/1/2013, you wrote: >Some of my web pages contain images sent by people who cannot identify the >people in them, which can be seen at >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~boltongenealogy/photogallery.html >I recently revamped these pages, deleting the description alongside them, >to give a more streamlined appearance. > >I've recently received an email asking if there is any way one could search >the photogallery without having to click on every individual image. I can >only assume that what is meant is a separate list relating to each >reference. As there are 300 plus images (many of which are unidentified) I >consider this to be rather pointless, as the whole idea of the photogallery >is that people should browse to see if they can spot anyone they know. >However, I just wonder if anyone might have any ideas on this. Valerie, The "problem" with limiting photo identifications to text overlays on the images themselves, is that the overlays are part of the image file and can not be found by a search engine, whether site specific (installed on your site) or a web search engine such as Google. For example, the first image (1A) on http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~boltongenealogy/photogallery.html was submitted by Sue Longfield. However, the ID on the photo itself says it is of Alfred Heyes, s/o Jackson & Alice Heyes. That info (incorporated in the image) is not available to search engines. Pat Asher
Some of my web pages contain images sent by people who cannot identify the people in them, which can be seen at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~boltongenealogy/photogallery.html I recently revamped these pages, deleting the description alongside them, to give a more streamlined appearance. I've recently received an email asking if there is any way one could search the photogallery without having to click on every individual image. I can only assume that what is meant is a separate list relating to each reference. As there are 300 plus images (many of which are unidentified) I consider this to be rather pointless, as the whole idea of the photogallery is that people should browse to see if they can spot anyone they know. However, I just wonder if anyone might have any ideas on this. Valerie
Thank you Linda (and Judy Florian) for your suggestions. > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 00:54:11 -0700 > From: <lilacarlhg@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Photo Repository and Albums > To: <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <F1890A08CA234066A68B9A198A3E352D@AncestorHunter> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Bill, > > I have a large number of images in my web. Some are of people and many > others are cemetery photos. What I ended up doing was to organize the into > folders by surname. For the group shots you have, if they are not of one > family then you could create a folder for group shots perhaps. If you have > many images of buildings then you could break them down into folders by > locations or just one general folder for buildings. > > It just will depend on what seems logical to you as to how you end up doing > it. > > > Linda > now in California (was Costa Rica) > Monroe County, New York Genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys > Monroe County, New York History > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Thompson > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:11 PM > To: FREEPAGES-HELP@rootsweb.com > Subject: [FreeHelp] Photo Repository and Albums > > I have lots of photos and albums to add to my web site. Sometimes the > same photo appears in more than one album. And I would like to add some > of the photos to several pages that are now mostly or entirely text. > > I am assuming the best way to do this is to set up a repository of some > sort, such as a sub-directory, to hold all the photos and then just link > to them, e.g. by <img> from pages. And in the case of an album, populate > its web pages with snapshots for quicker downloading of the pages. > > So far I've just made up file names for each photo on an ad hoc basis, > whatever seemed a good description at the moment. But with hundreds, > perhaps thousands of photos, it seems as if a good file naming system > will be needed Or, if the file names are primarily numeric, a good > indexing system will be needed to fine a file when the photo is wanted. > > As is probably usually the case, some are of an individual, some of > groups, and a few of buildings. In some cases I now the name of the > individual, but have to guess at the year. In other cases, I know some > of the people in the photos, but not all. And in some cases, I can't > identify any of the people. > > Any suggestions about how to organize them so I'll have some way of > finding one when I look for it?
some are of an individual, some of groups, and a few of buildings. In some cases I now the name of the individual, but have to guess at the year. In other cases, I know some of the people in the photos, but not all. And in some cases, I can't identify any of the people. ------------------------------ First, you need to decide whether you want a main folder with sub folders such as: album (or album-images) --x surname (each surname as separate folder) --groups etc. Or if you want main folders under your web Web Name --this surname --that surname etc. Anyway you do it, you'll likely need sub and sub-sub folders. You could also make folders "unk-year" and "unk-person" for unknowns. Remember, if you don't want anyone to backspace a URL to any sub-folder, each folder needs an index.htm/l even if the page content just says "Please use search." I try to avoid stern sounding messages like This folder is restricted. When you survey the entire collection with the filenames you already have, it would be easiest to note which naming you like best. That way you won't have to change all of them. I usually order like this: year-mo-day_surname-first-middle (can add _1 and _2 at end if needed on additional photos) Or surname-first-middle (can add _1 and _2 at end) Depending on length of filename, I might add location _at end. For groups, you can take the easy way group-portrait_surname (or group-photo_etc or just group_etc ) Or start with surname and add people with _ between --- But this can get really long. Windows allows commas, but I change them to _ between persons, with surname-first-initial Try to limit it to 2 or 3 names. Location-only I sort by location_date Good reason to sort for year or surname first is the computer will keep things in good alpha or year order. By month it won't go in order of months but alpha so Apr, Aug, June etc. Judy