To explain why Tracy's advice, "Hit the refresh button", is good. Your web browser has probably stored old copies of the newly-revised pages on your computer and -- to save download time -- accesses those copies before going out to the Internet to get the new copies. A refresh command tells the browser to reload the pages from the source. -rt_/) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 18:51:05 -0500 From: "Tracy MacAllister" <[email protected]> To: "'Freepages Web Sites'" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Update to my project pages didn't take Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Try hitting the refresh symbol up at the top, usually top left of the browser address input area. It is the symbol that looks like a circle with an arrow at the end of it. Or look at the page from a different computer.

Sorry for sending some duplicate info.  I began my reply much earlier & got distracted.  I didn't see the other replies before I pressed "Send".      Kathie B. 

Ann- I found your site is in the Internet Archives [Wayback Machine] and I'm seeing your  "Annie's Guest Book" in a capture from April 15, 2008.  I haven't looked at all the captures for later years.  This might be the only one, but I hope this helps you to recover at least some of your Guest Book!         https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cawthorn/ https://web.archive.org/web/20080415194457/http://resources.rootsweb.ancestry.com:80/~guestbook/cgi-bin/public_guestbook.cgi?gb=2906&action=view There are many 'pre- ancestry' Rootsweb sites in the Internet Archives.  Here's just one example:     Wayback Machine | | | Wayback Machine | | | https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.rootsweb.com/~pasomers/cemetery/sc/lville.html Here's how to save existing webs to the Internet Archives:   If You See Something, Save Something – 6 Ways to Save Pages In the Wayback Machine | Internet Archive Blogs | | | | | | | | | | | If You See Something, Save Something – 6 Ways to Save Pages In the Wayback ... | | | | https://blog.archive.org/2017/01/25/see-something-save-something/ Best of Luck! Kathie Buchanan  On Monday, October 23, 2017 1:47 PM, Ann McClean via FREEPAGES-HELP <[email protected]> wrote: I've just discovered that Ancestry have 'retired' the Rootsweb Guestbook that I use on my Freepages family history website. I've lost nearly 20 years worth of queries/requests/info etc. from fellow researchers and there doesn't appear to be anyway to retrieve it all. To say I'm fuming is putting it mildly. I now have over 600 webpages to edit.......as well as looking for a new Guestbook Regards,  Ann McClean in Mid-Wales, U.K. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CAWTHORN, SCOTT & DeSilva PALMER Family History Pages: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cawthorn/

Thank you Pat - I was looking for that earlier with no luck. Pity it's only to 2008 though... Regards,  Ann. On 23/10/2017 20:35, Patricia Geary wrote: > This was the only one I could access Ann McClean > > https://web.archive.org/web/20080415194457/http://resources.rootsweb.ancestry.com:80/~guestbook/cgi-bin/public_guestbook.cgi?gb=2906&action=view > > Dated 2008 - 2001 > > -----Original Message----- > From: FREEPAGES-HELP [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ann McClean via FREEPAGES-HELP > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 1:47 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Ann McClean <[email protected]> > Subject: [FreeHelp] I've lost my Rootsweb/Freepages Guestbook > > I've just discovered that Ancestry have 'retired' the Rootsweb Guestbook that I use on my Freepages family history website. > > I've lost nearly 20 years worth of queries/requests/info etc. from fellow researchers and there doesn't appear to be anyway to retrieve it all. > > To say I'm fuming is putting it mildly. > > I now have over 600 webpages to edit.......as well as looking for a new Guestbook > > Regards, Ann McClean > in Mid-Wales, U.K. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > CAWTHORN, SCOTT & DeSilva PALMER Family History Pages: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cawthorn/ >

Hi, Yesterday I updated my "Results" and "Member Pedigree" pages for my surname DNA website via FileZilla, but the changes aren't reflected when I go to my website. The FileZilla log shows, for example: Status: Starting upload of C:\Users\Owner\Documents\Paul\Genealogy\Sheets\DNA Project\ProjectPages\Results.htm Status: File transfer successful, transferred 556,654 bytes in 1 second Status: Disconnected from server Any ideas what the problem might be? Thanks. Paul

Try hitting the refresh symbol up at the top, usually top left of the browser address input area. It is the symbol that looks like a circle with an arrow at the end of it. Or look at the page from a different computer. -----Original Message----- From: FREEPAGES-HELP [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Sheats via FREEPAGES-HELP Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 6:32 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Paul Sheats <[email protected]> Subject: [FreeHelp] Update to my project pages didn't take Hi, Yesterday I updated my "Results" and "Member Pedigree" pages for my surname DNA website via FileZilla, but the changes aren't reflected when I go to my website. The FileZilla log shows, for example: Status: Starting upload of C:\Users\Owner\Documents\Paul\Genealogy\Sheets\DNA Project\ProjectPages\Results.htm Status: File transfer successful, transferred 556,654 bytes in 1 second Status: Disconnected from server Any ideas what the problem might be? Thanks. Paul ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've just discovered that Ancestry have 'retired' the Rootsweb Guestbook that I use on my Freepages family history website. I've lost nearly 20 years worth of queries/requests/info etc. from fellow researchers and there doesn't appear to be anyway to retrieve it all. To say I'm fuming is putting it mildly. I now have over 600 webpages to edit.......as well as looking for a new Guestbook Regards,  Ann McClean in Mid-Wales, U.K. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CAWTHORN, SCOTT & DeSilva PALMER Family History Pages: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cawthorn/

This was the only one I could access Ann McClean https://web.archive.org/web/20080415194457/http://resources.rootsweb.ancestry.com:80/~guestbook/cgi-bin/public_guestbook.cgi?gb=2906&action=view Dated 2008 - 2001 -----Original Message----- From: FREEPAGES-HELP [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ann McClean via FREEPAGES-HELP Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 1:47 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Ann McClean <[email protected]> Subject: [FreeHelp] I've lost my Rootsweb/Freepages Guestbook I've just discovered that Ancestry have 'retired' the Rootsweb Guestbook that I use on my Freepages family history website. I've lost nearly 20 years worth of queries/requests/info etc. from fellow researchers and there doesn't appear to be anyway to retrieve it all. To say I'm fuming is putting it mildly. I now have over 600 webpages to edit.......as well as looking for a new Guestbook Regards, Ann McClean in Mid-Wales, U.K. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CAWTHORN, SCOTT & DeSilva PALMER Family History Pages: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cawthorn/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For the future... go to archive.org and put in your home page URL and they'll archive all of your site at different times through future years.

At 01:46 PM 10/23/2017, Ann McClean via FREEPAGES-HELP wrote: >I've just discovered that Ancestry have >'retired' the Rootsweb Guestbook that I use on >my Freepages family history website. I've lost >nearly 20 years worth of queries/requests/info >etc. from fellow researchers and there doesn't >appear to be anyway to retrieve it all. To say >I'm fuming is putting it mildly. I now have over >600 webpages to edit.......as well as looking >for a new Guestbook Regards, Ann McClean in >Mid-Wales, U.K. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CAWTHORN, >SCOTT & DeSilva PALMER Family History Pages: >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cawthorn/ --------------- >Go to the Internet Archive site ><http://archive.org> and enter your URL -- >freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cawthorn/ They have probably archived your guestbook at some point in time, if it is linked from your site. Save the page to your computer, edit the archive.org coding and any unwanted entries, then upload to your Freepages space and direct any links to the new page location. Pat A.

Archive.org On 10/23/2017 12:46 PM, Ann McClean via FREEPAGES-HELP wrote: > I've just discovered that Ancestry have 'retired' the Rootsweb > Guestbook that I use on my Freepages family history website. > > I've lost nearly 20 years worth of queries/requests/info etc. from > fellow researchers and there doesn't appear to be anyway to retrieve > it all. > > To say I'm fuming is putting it mildly. > > I now have over 600 webpages to edit.......as well as looking for a > new Guestbook > > Regards,  Ann McClean > in Mid-Wales, U.K. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > CAWTHORN, SCOTT & DeSilva PALMER Family History Pages: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cawthorn/ > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- "The time has come," the Walrus said, "To talk of many things: Of shoes-and ships-and sealing-wax- Of cabbages-and kings-- And why the sea is boiling hot- And whether pigs have wings." Lewis Carroll _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

They might still be able to get them from archive.org; I thought ancestry/rootsweb didn't allow them to save freepages stuff, but was pleasantly surprised to find my Bath School Disaster guestbook there: https://web.archive.org/web/20160524052118/http://resources.rootsweb.com/~guestbook/cgi-bin/public_guestbook.cgi?gb=1114&action=view I saved both the page and the source to a file; hopefully the archive.org link will continue to work and I just need to update my BSD page to point to it instead of my guestbook someday. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bauerle/disaster.htm Ron ---------- Original Message ---------- Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 05:44:42 -0400 From: TilburyCM via FREEPAGES-HELP <[email protected]> Thanks Derek - I always kept copies of my gbk entries, updated regularly, so nothing is lost. Since I didn't see anywhere the reason for removing gbks, I was just checking ... I feel sorry for people who were not on the help list, and will have lost all. Caroline [...] ____________________________________________________________ We Say GoodBye To Sally Fields iflperfecttouch.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/59ebd9c58d91c59c56ac8st04duc

I have another question before I try to do all of this. What happens if I do nothing? ======== Then, it will be as it is now. Visitors would need to know the exact URLs to access each page (remember, your "front / home page" links need fixed because the url was changed to index.htm or html). I do understand the hassle of fixing a site. I did an overhaul of my first 6 sites-- what a pain, but I learned so much! I especially learned bad code and what not to do. Then, I started working on my 7th and last web--- I'm frustrated so it has taken me much longer. Still not done. Sigh. Too old for this--lolol. Nobody will make you fix it. But it'll bug you, like my 7th site bugs me. I know I need to "fix it". Judy

I have another question before I try to do all of this. What happens if I do nothing? Sincerely Norman Kincaide On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 3:32 PM, JFlorian <[email protected]> wrote: "In other words I have to replicate what I did originally to build the site via rootsweb freespace and do that on filezilla." Not quite. Filezilla is not an Editor.   Make sure you have all your folders and files on your PC. Make sure all folders and files use - or _ instead of spaces.  Spaces make "%20" which can break URLs. Try to use lowercase letters in everything.   On the Internet, Kincaid is not the same as kincaid.   Lowercase lessens the chance of URL problems. Take the time NOW to clean up URLs and links.   You will love yourself later. Don't forget to make a file called "index.htm or html" in every folder you make.  Use these as mini front doors, or direction pages ("Return to the Main Page".  I use mine for genealogy humor on the same template which also gives links back to main areas.   Other uses:  Trivia ; Special Photo ; Research Tips ; etc.   I tried 404s and 403s.... but telling people "Forbidden" was not friendly. When you have all of your site on your PC, a free program called Xenu can help you find your broken links.   It really helps you "see" like Google sees your site. One tip I give, also, consider using a footer that contains your name.   Then, it is easy to find all your pages in google ---   freepages+kincaid    Judy | | Virus-free. www.avg.com |

At 01:53 PM 10/20/2017, Norman Kincaide via FREEPAGES-HELP wrote: >I have another question before I try to do all >of this. What happens if I do nothing? Sincerely >Norman Kincaide On Wednesday, October 18, >2017 3:32 PM, JFlorian <[email protected]> >wrote: "In other words I have to replicate what >I did originally to build the site via rootsweb >freespace and do that on filezilla." Not quite. >Filezilla is not an Editor.  Make sure you >have all your folders and files on your PC. Make >sure all folders and files use - or _ instead of >spaces. Spaces make "%20" which can break >URLs. Try to use lowercase letters in >everything.  On the Internet, Kincaid is not >the same as kincaid.  Lowercase lessens the >chance of URL problems. Take the time NOW to >clean up URLs and links.  You will love >yourself later. Don't forget to make a file >called "index.htm or html" in every folder you >make. Use these as mini front doors, or >direction pages ("Return to the Main Page". I >use mine for genealogy humor on the same >template which also gives links back to main >areas.  Other uses:  Trivia ; Special Photo ; >Research Tips ; etc.  I tried 404s and >403s.... but telling people "Forbidden" was not >friendly. When you have all of your site on your >PC, a free program called Xenu can help you find >your broken links.  It really helps you "see" >like Google sees your site. One tip I give, >also, consider using a footer that contains your >name.  Then, it is easy to find all your pages >in google ---  freepages+kincaid   Judy Absolutely necessary is to add links to your main/home page, index.html. That is the only way visitors to your site will be able to find the other pages on your site. Cleaning up file names, e.g. changing to all lower case, eliminating spaces, etc. is desirable because some browsers (not all, but some) browsers will have problems executing hyperlink reference commands (links) containing incorrectly named files. Changing to all lower case is not absolutely necessary as long as you remember to write your links to the eXaCT file names you have used. In fact, I sometimes use upper case letters intentionally so I don't need to insert a spacer in the name, for example "smithJohn.jpg" and "smithRobert.jpg" or "smithRobert-Mary.jpg" However, the majority of web servers are case sensitive, so if you write a link to a file as <.a href="kincaide.html"> when the file is actually named "Kincaide.html," the link will not work. See Naming Web Pages <http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pasher/naming.htm> Judy's suggestions about using Xenu and having your name (and hopefully an email link) on all of your pages are things you can work on after you get your basic site working. Pat A.

Hi Caroline. Yes you can, but I think it might be a bit late now. The Guestbook service and page have already been "retired". If you recall Pat Asher advised us to download the Guestbook page, extract/copy all the entries and re-publish them as a list on a new, (faux) "Guestbook" page some time ago. I did mine straight away, and it has been working fine. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~derekboddington/no-guestbook.html I don't know whether the original Guestbook pages still exist on the server, nor whether they might be retrievable by FTS. If they are, presumably it is still do-able. Good luck Derek Boddington -----Original Message----- From: FREEPAGES-HELP [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of TilburyCM via FREEPAGES-HELP Sent: 20 October 2017 02:30 To: [email protected] Cc: TilburyCM <[email protected]> Subject: [FreeHelp] Guestbooks "retired" Good morning, Am I right in thinking that the gbks were cancelled to diminish server load? May I make a text file - and publish as a webpage - of all the old messages? They are one of the most useful, important, parts of Internet family history. May I also then publish, as text, any further messages received by another means? Or do I need to use the small webspace my Internet service provides, for an external gbk, and direct visitors to it? It would be a pity not to have everything together. I'm surprised Ancestry didn't keep them, but with a different advert on gbk pages: the people who leave messages are mostly seeking missing ancestors, so an invitation to the free 14-day trial on such pages might have been a good commercial prospect? Caroline ___ "Tilberia" http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~cmtilbury "TheTilbury Magazine" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cmtilbury/ttm/ttm_frontpag e.html Every path has its puddle. Life has no reverse gear. NB: an e-mail message remains the Intellectual Property of the sender; traffic on this e-mail server may be normally subject to UK and French copyright law. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Derek - I always kept copies of my gbk entries, updated regularly, so nothing is lost. Since I didn't see anywhere the reason for removing gbks, I was just checking ... I feel sorry for people who were not on the help list, and will have lost all. Caroline ____ "Tilberia" http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~cmtilbury "TheTilbury Magazine" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cmtilbury/ttm/ttm_frontpage.html Every path has its puddle. Life has no reverse gear. NB: an e-mail message remains the Intellectual Property of the sender; traffic on this e-mail server may be normally subject to UK and French copyright law. -----E-mail d'origine----- De : Derek Boddington via FREEPAGES-HELP <[email protected]> A: 'Freepages Web Sites' <[email protected]> Cc: Derek Boddington <[email protected]> Envoyé le : Ve, 20 Oct 2017 10:59 Sujet : Re: [FreeHelp] Guestbooks "retired" Hi Caroline. Yes you can, but I think it might be a bit late now. The Guestbook service and page have already been "retired". If you recall Pat Asher advised us to download the Guestbook page, extract/copy all the entries and re-publish them as a list on a new, (faux) "Guestbook" page some time ago. I did mine straight away, and it has been working fine. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~derekboddington/no-guestbook.html I don't know whether the original Guestbook pages still exist on the server, nor whether they might be retrievable by FTS. If they are, presumably it is still do-able. Good luck Derek Boddington -----Original Message----- From: FREEPAGES-HELP [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of TilburyCM via FREEPAGES-HELP Sent: 20 October 2017 02:30 To: [email protected] Cc: TilburyCM <[email protected]> Subject: [FreeHelp] Guestbooks "retired" Good morning, Am I right in thinking that the gbks were cancelled to diminish server load? May I make a text file - and publish as a webpage - of all the old messages? They are one of the most useful, important, parts of Internet family history. May I also then publish, as text, any further messages received by another means? Or do I need to use the small webspace my Internet service provides, for an external gbk, and direct visitors to it? It would be a pity not to have everything together. I'm surprised Ancestry didn't keep them, but with a different advert on gbk pages: the people who leave messages are mostly seeking missing ancestors, so an invitation to the free 14-day trial on such pages might have been a good commercial prospect? Caroline ___ "Tilberia" http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~cmtilbury "TheTilbury Magazine" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cmtilbury/ttm/ttm_frontpag e.html Every path has its puddle. Life has no reverse gear. NB: an e-mail message remains the Intellectual Property of the sender; traffic on this e-mail server may be normally subject to UK and French copyright law. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning, Am I right in thinking that the gbks were cancelled to diminish server load? May I make a text file - and publish as a webpage - of all the old messages? They are one of the most useful, important, parts of Internet family history. May I also then publish, as text, any further messages received by another means? Or do I need to use the small webspace my Internet service provides, for an external gbk, and direct visitors to it? It would be a pity not to have everything together. I'm surprised Ancestry didn't keep them, but with a different advert on gbk pages: the people who leave messages are mostly seeking missing ancestors, so an invitation to the free 14-day trial on such pages might have been a good commercial prospect? Caroline ___ "Tilberia" http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~cmtilbury "TheTilbury Magazine" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cmtilbury/ttm/ttm_frontpage.html Every path has its puddle. Life has no reverse gear. NB: an e-mail message remains the Intellectual Property of the sender; traffic on this e-mail server may be normally subject to UK and French copyright law.

When you were using FileZilla to change the kincaide.index.html filename to index.html, I assume you would have seen in the same Remote directory a listing of all those other 119 names. Correct?? Barry ------------------------------------- On 19-Oct-17 8:57 AM, Norman Kincaide via FREEPAGES-HELP wrote: > Okay, I changed the file name. But it doesn't go anywhere or do anything except show the opening page. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/ > > SincerelyNorman Kincaide > > > > > On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 1:55 PM, Norman Kincaide via FREEPAGES-HELP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Okay, I changed the file name. But it doesn't go anywhere or do anything except show the opening page.http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/ > So where does it go from here? > SincerelyNorman Kincaide > > > > >     On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 1:33 PM, Pat Asher <[email protected]> wrote: > > > At 02:16 PM 10/18/2017, Norman Kincaide via FREEPAGES-HELP wrote: >> Okay, I got into the files. How do I change >> this:http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaide.index.html >> > Open Filezilla and connect to the server. > Right click on the file name you want to change. > From the pop-up box, select Rename. > Type the new name in that box. > Click enter. > > > Pat A. > > > > > > > > > |  | Virus-free. www.avg.com  | > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > | | Virus-free. www.avg.com | > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am back in business again with all the help that I received from various members. I resolved the issue of my Hancock files being in my Mills file. Tried different suggestions and discovered my problem. THANK YOU TO ALL WHO GAVE ADVICE AND IDEAS. Audrey