>Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:03:20 +0000 (UTC) >From: Al Wood <[email protected]> >Reply-To: Al Wood <[email protected]> >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Subject: Lists > >Now that its established that I'm a long time member >here's my question: > >Simple question - When I had a list of people with accompanying data >in spreadsheet .xls format, I always used to convert it to .pdf >before uploading it. This meant when editing it I would download >the .pdf, convert it back to .xls, edit it reconvert to .pdf and >upload it back up. Question is: where did I get the instruction to >go to .pdf for all such uploads and was that necessary? Could I >have uploaded .xls and saved some complication in editing? PLease >excuse loud type. -Al Wood

Thank you, Pat. You didn't need to do that. I just didn't feel up to it yet. Sincerest Thanks. Norman Kincaide On Thursday, November 9, 2017 12:35 PM, Pat Asher <[email protected]> wrote: At 11:57 AM 10/31/2017, Norman Kincaide via FREEPAGES-HELP wrote: >To address Caroline's question, Part of this stems from American >corporate culture. Some changes are made to products absent any >input from line employees or the customer. I observed this in legal >publishing. I just saw an advertisement for Ancestry.com of which >rootsweb is a part, on national television on Sunday last. They are >advertising everywhere on the internet. They can afford all of this >advertising yet they are retiring some products for lack of update. >Sometimes changes occur in corporate structures because a new suit >in charge identifies what are drags on the product line regardless >of how popular or useful to the customer they are. I have a Kincaid >Research page on Free pages that I can no longer access except >through Filezilla. I spent years compiling the information and >organizing it so Kincaid surname researchers could find their ancestors. Norman, I have made a start for you on building your index (home) page, so it recreates the site directory that used to be produced by the server. I couldn't find all the pages even for the first few sections I looked at, but you know where your pages are located and can insert the correct URLs/links where appropriate. You can see what it looks like at http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pasher/nkincaid/index.html I have also uploaded it as a text file so you will not have to remove the Freepages banner code when you save it to your computer Go to http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pasher/nkincaid/index.txt Download the file and save as index.html on your computer. Upload to your kincaid account so it will replace your existing index.html (home page.) As you have time, continue to create the links to the other pages on your site, making the edits in a text editor such as Windows Notepad. Upload your revised index page to your site as you add the links, and your visitors will soon have acess to your entire site once again. Pat Asher | | Virus-free. www.avg.com |

At 11:57 AM 10/31/2017, Norman Kincaide via FREEPAGES-HELP wrote: >To address Caroline's question, Part of this stems from American >corporate culture. Some changes are made to products absent any >input from line employees or the customer. I observed this in legal >publishing. I just saw an advertisement for Ancestry.com of which >rootsweb is a part, on national television on Sunday last. They are >advertising everywhere on the internet. They can afford all of this >advertising yet they are retiring some products for lack of update. >Sometimes changes occur in corporate structures because a new suit >in charge identifies what are drags on the product line regardless >of how popular or useful to the customer they are. I have a Kincaid >Research page on Free pages that I can no longer access except >through Filezilla. I spent years compiling the information and >organizing it so Kincaid surname researchers could find their ancestors. Norman, I have made a start for you on building your index (home) page, so it recreates the site directory that used to be produced by the server. I couldn't find all the pages even for the first few sections I looked at, but you know where your pages are located and can insert the correct URLs/links where appropriate. You can see what it looks like at http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pasher/nkincaid/index.html I have also uploaded it as a text file so you will not have to remove the Freepages banner code when you save it to your computer Go to http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pasher/nkincaid/index.txt Download the file and save as index.html on your computer. Upload to your kincaid account so it will replace your existing index.html (home page.) As you have time, continue to create the links to the other pages on your site, making the edits in a text editor such as Windows Notepad. Upload your revised index page to your site as you add the links, and your visitors will soon have acess to your entire site once again. Pat Asher

One more work-around. It employs the fact that in order to view a Web page it must be downloaded to the viewer's system. Open the desired page with your Web browser and save it as a Web page. You will have "downloaded" it without FTP. Then use your computer's built-in tools (Win Explorer, etc.) to move and/or rename the file as you need. This method is too cumbersome for many pages. But for one, not so bad. -rt_/)

You simply download it. Put it right in the directory on your PC called "genealogy" (folder) in My Webs (folder). Do not put it inside any other folder/directory.

Why not just sign on to your account and download the index page itself? Hopefully you have already downloaded the other pages to your computer. Make whatever changes/additions to the Home Page or any pages and republish that page or pages. pat -----Original Message----- From: FREEPAGES-HELP [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lon Mason via FREEPAGES-HELP Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 2:28 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Lon Mason <[email protected]> Subject: [FreeHelp] My Index page When I set up my Filezilla file and Dreamweaver files for my genealogy pages, I guess I forgot to download my index page. Now I can't make changes to it like adding new family lines. It is located at: freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hazlett/ can someone suggest the easy way to access this now so I can make additions?

Method 1. Open filezilla. Navigate to your site. Download your index file to your disk in the proper directory. Method 2. Open your site in your browser. Right click on page. Click "View Page Source" or whatever is comparable. In the source right click and "Save As". Navigate to where you want to save the file and click "Save/OK" or whatever. Downside to this method is you have to remove all the Rootsweb Freepages gunk at the top and bottom before you upload again ot it will be doubled. On 11/03/2017 01:27 PM, Lon Mason via FREEPAGES-HELP wrote: > When I set up my Filezilla file and Dreamweaver files for my genealogy > pages, I guess I forgot to download my index page. Now I can't make > changes to it like adding new family lines. It is located at: > > freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hazlett/ > > can someone suggest the easy way to access this now so I can make additions? > > Thanks so much for your assistance > > Dazed and confused! > > Lon Mason > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- "The time has come," the Walrus said, "To talk of many things: Of shoes-and ships-and sealing-wax- Of cabbages-and kings-- And why the sea is boiling hot- And whether pigs have wings." Lewis Carroll _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

When I set up my Filezilla file and Dreamweaver files for my genealogy pages, I guess I forgot to download my index page. Now I can't make changes to it like adding new family lines. It is located at: freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hazlett/ can someone suggest the easy way to access this now so I can make additions? Thanks so much for your assistance Dazed and confused! Lon Mason

That would be a question for John Cardinal. I'm still using Freepages myself so I haven't paid close attention to details on this aspect of his business. Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Billie Walsh via FREEPAGES-HELP < [email protected]> wrote: > Sorry to be a downer but I have a question. The domain name and hosting is > maintained by an individual, Mr. John Cardinal. Does he have a method for > maintaining the domain and hosting after his passing? > > > > On 11/03/2017 08:00 AM, Karla Huebner via FREEPAGES-HELP wrote: > >> True, we can think of Freepages as a gift, but then we should keep in mind >> that Freepages is an exchange of gifts. Ancestry/Rootsweb provides space, >> we provide content. >> >> One alternative to the free but perhaps not permanent option of Freepages >> is offered by genealogy software author John Cardinal. I have used his >> site-building program Second Site for years and it has many happy users >> among the TMG community. At some point he began to offer web hosting, and >> he has now developed GedSite, which builds websites from gedcom data. >> John's programs are inexpensive and very well supported both by John >> himself and by an active user base. You can read more about GedSite here: >> http://www.gedsite.com/en/index.htm. The page also discusses John's >> Family >> History Hosting service. >> >> Karla Huebner >> calypsospots AT gmail.com >> >> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 3:35 AM, JFlorian via FREEPAGES-HELP < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Well said, Ralph. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > -- > "The time has come," the Walrus said, > "To talk of many things: > Of shoes-and ships-and sealing-wax- > Of cabbages-and kings-- > And why the sea is boiling hot- > And whether pigs have wings." > Lewis Carroll > > _ _... ..._ _ > _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I discovered Notepad++ a year ago and use it all the time now. It is designed specifically for writing various types of code and has the virtue of detecting when you have or have not included a closing for an html tab. https://notepad-plus-plus.org/ Bill Gentry > 1. Offline editors like Bluefish (Charles Carothers) > 7. Re: Offline editors like Bluefish (Ann McClean) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 13:24:53 -0500 >From: Charles Carothers <[email protected]> >I'm sure Bluefish is a really fine editor, but I've never used it. If you >know how to manipulate html tags, etc. I find Crimson to work just great >for me. It had a very shallow learning curve, and once I set the screen >font and size to something I could read, in spite of windows 10's pitiful >visual presentation, I get along just fine with it. I think it has been >somewhat superseded by a cousin called Emerald, but I've not bothered to >switch. A friend of mine swears by NetBeans. > >If you need help with html tags, etc. you might want to try Expression Web >4. I've had to use it a few times when editing some international character >sets that Crimson turned to all question marks. But that's another long >story no one else is interested in. ?? > >Each of the editors I've just mentioned are absolutely free, which was a >big selling point for me! > > >Message: 5 >Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 16:22:06 -0500 >From: Billie Walsh <[email protected]> >Bluefish is free. It is a text based HTML, as well as other stuff, >editor. It has buttons to click to add most common tags and you can >create special personal tags that you use that are inserted with one >click. The CSS editing is on the weak side though. It is possible but >you have to have a pretty good understanding of styles. > >Message: 7 >Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 21:42:57 +0000 >From: Ann McClean <[email protected]> >There are also these free to use HTML editors: > >http://www.ornj.net/software/araneae > >http://www.htmlkit.com/ > >https://www.notetab.com/ > >http://kompozer.net/

Sorry to be a downer but I have a question. The domain name and hosting is maintained by an individual, Mr. John Cardinal. Does he have a method for maintaining the domain and hosting after his passing? On 11/03/2017 08:00 AM, Karla Huebner via FREEPAGES-HELP wrote: > True, we can think of Freepages as a gift, but then we should keep in mind > that Freepages is an exchange of gifts. Ancestry/Rootsweb provides space, > we provide content. > > One alternative to the free but perhaps not permanent option of Freepages > is offered by genealogy software author John Cardinal. I have used his > site-building program Second Site for years and it has many happy users > among the TMG community. At some point he began to offer web hosting, and > he has now developed GedSite, which builds websites from gedcom data. > John's programs are inexpensive and very well supported both by John > himself and by an active user base. You can read more about GedSite here: > http://www.gedsite.com/en/index.htm. The page also discusses John's Family > History Hosting service. > > Karla Huebner > calypsospots AT gmail.com > > On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 3:35 AM, JFlorian via FREEPAGES-HELP < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Well said, Ralph. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- "The time has come," the Walrus said, "To talk of many things: Of shoes-and ships-and sealing-wax- Of cabbages-and kings-- And why the sea is boiling hot- And whether pigs have wings." Lewis Carroll _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

True, we can think of Freepages as a gift, but then we should keep in mind that Freepages is an exchange of gifts. Ancestry/Rootsweb provides space, we provide content. One alternative to the free but perhaps not permanent option of Freepages is offered by genealogy software author John Cardinal. I have used his site-building program Second Site for years and it has many happy users among the TMG community. At some point he began to offer web hosting, and he has now developed GedSite, which builds websites from gedcom data. John's programs are inexpensive and very well supported both by John himself and by an active user base. You can read more about GedSite here: http://www.gedsite.com/en/index.htm. The page also discusses John's Family History Hosting service. Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 3:35 AM, JFlorian via FREEPAGES-HELP < [email protected]> wrote: > Well said, Ralph. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Well said, Ralph.

There are also these free to use HTML editors: http://www.ornj.net/software/araneae http://www.htmlkit.com/ https://www.notetab.com/ http://kompozer.net/ On 02/11/2017 21:22, Billie Walsh via FREEPAGES-HELP wrote: > Bluefish is free. It is a text based HTML, as well as other stuff, > editor. Regards,  Ann McClean CAWTHORN, SCOTT, PALMER & DeSILVA PALMER Family History Pages: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cawthorn/ <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ecawthorn/> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cambridgeshire Taverns & Public Houses in 1839 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cawthorn/1839Pigots/1839index.html <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ecawthorn/1839Pigots/1839index.html> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Also, in the position of a "taker" of the "gift," the information I contributed is also revocable. Your position is understood. Yes, nothing lasts forever. I will take that into consideration before I contribute research in the future to any free pages effort. SincerelyNorman Kincaide On Thursday, November 2, 2017 1:50 PM, Ralph Taylor via FREEPAGES-HELP <[email protected]> wrote: Just my opinion, but the appropriate philosophical position on Rootsweb changes would be: 1. "Free" represents a gift from the giver to the taker. The gift is, usually, not free to the giver; it has a cost. 2. The giver has motives & needs which needn't be the same as the taker's. 3. The giver has the right to put limitations and conditions on the gift; takers have only the right to accept or refuse. 4. Nothing lasts forever. An ongoing gift is subject to the giver's needs. 5. When conditions change (economic or technological) the giver has the right to change the terms of continued gifts. -rt_/) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message | | Virus-free. www.avg.com |

That pretty much sums it up. Just the other day I discovered another family name site that has gone away. The home page is active but all the information was on a different server, I assume to be a for pay server company. I'm attempting to recover what I can to re-publish to the web for the future. I've already discovered a lot has been lost forever I'm afraid. I just finished the Hadley Society site after it disappeared. Now I have another name site, Bible/Biebel. I hate it when great information is lost. I can't promise they will be there forever but I'm sure they will at least outlast me. On 11/02/2017 02:50 PM, Ralph Taylor via FREEPAGES-HELP wrote: > Just my opinion, but the appropriate philosophical position on Rootsweb > changes would be: > > 1. "Free" represents a gift from the giver to the taker. The gift is, > usually, not free to the giver; it has a cost. > 2. The giver has motives & needs which needn't be the same as the taker's. > 3. The giver has the right to put limitations and conditions on the gift; > takers have only the right to accept or refuse. > 4. Nothing lasts forever. An ongoing gift is subject to the giver's needs. > 5. When conditions change (economic or technological) the giver has the > right to change the terms of continued gifts. > > -rt_/) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- "The time has come," the Walrus said, "To talk of many things: Of shoes-and ships-and sealing-wax- Of cabbages-and kings-- And why the sea is boiling hot- And whether pigs have wings." Lewis Carroll _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

Bluefish is free. It is a text based HTML, as well as other stuff, editor. It has buttons to click to add most common tags and you can create special personal tags that you use that are inserted with one click. The CSS editing is on the weak side though. It is possible but you have to have a pretty good understanding of styles. On 11/02/2017 01:24 PM, Charles Carothers via FREEPAGES-HELP wrote: > I'm sure Bluefish is a really fine editor, but I've never used it. If you > know how to manipulate html tags, etc. I find Crimson to work just great > for me. It had a very shallow learning curve, and once I set the screen > font and size to something I could read, in spite of windows 10's pitiful > visual presentation, I get along just fine with it. I think it has been > somewhat superseded by a cousin called Emerald, but I've not bothered to > switch. A friend of mine swears by NetBeans. > > If you need help with html tags, etc. you might want to try Expression Web > 4. I've had to use it a few times when editing some international character > sets that Crimson turned to all question marks. But that's another long > story no one else is interested in. ???? > > Each of the editors I've just mentioned are absolutely free, which was a > big selling point for me! > > Hope this helps, > ​ -- "The time has come," the Walrus said, "To talk of many things: Of shoes-and ships-and sealing-wax- Of cabbages-and kings-- And why the sea is boiling hot- And whether pigs have wings." Lewis Carroll _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

Just my opinion, but the appropriate philosophical position on Rootsweb changes would be: 1. "Free" represents a gift from the giver to the taker. The gift is, usually, not free to the giver; it has a cost. 2. The giver has motives & needs which needn't be the same as the taker's. 3. The giver has the right to put limitations and conditions on the gift; takers have only the right to accept or refuse. 4. Nothing lasts forever. An ongoing gift is subject to the giver's needs. 5. When conditions change (economic or technological) the giver has the right to change the terms of continued gifts. -rt_/)

I'm sure Bluefish is a really fine editor, but I've never used it. If you know how to manipulate html tags, etc. I find Crimson to work just great for me. It had a very shallow learning curve, and once I set the screen font and size to something I could read, in spite of windows 10's pitiful visual presentation, I get along just fine with it. I think it has been somewhat superseded by a cousin called Emerald, but I've not bothered to switch. A friend of mine swears by NetBeans. If you need help with html tags, etc. you might want to try Expression Web 4. I've had to use it a few times when editing some international character sets that Crimson turned to all question marks. But that's another long story no one else is interested in. ???? Each of the editors I've just mentioned are absolutely free, which was a big selling point for me! Hope this helps, ​ -- Charlie Carothers http://www.freebiblecommentary.org <http://freebiblecommentary.org>

Thank you. I never knew about Bluefish. I was still using a paid editor. Lynn Lynn Veitch, EdD GRI, PSA Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 1, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Billie Walsh via FREEPAGES-HELP <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have recommended it many times. If you can write HTML give Bluefish a go.. > > http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/index.html > > https://bfwiki.tellefsen.net/index.php/Installing_Bluefish#Installing_Bluefish_on_Windows_XP_or_newer > > It is a much better choice than Notepad. Make life a LOT easier.