Good evening from France, Just looked again at the security blog, and love the latest: Disgruntled Ancestry Customer March 13, 2018 at 2:24 pm How is it not clear that one of the most important things people want back are the hosted websites? WAKE UP AND RESTORE THIS TO THE GENEALOGY COMMUNITY. THEY HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR ALMOST 3 MONTHS! There is no excuse for this kind of timeline other than there is only one semi-techincal person working on this “problem” part time – i.e. this is the lowest priority project at Ancestry, even behind renovating the bathrooms. https://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2017/12/23/rootsweb-security-update/#comment-324816 Seems to me the new CEO is not so much a new broom as a "baby and bathwater" chappie. Does anyone know what exactly the "code" is which they are taking so many months to examine? Those IT people must have the longest tea-breaks in the world. Caroline ____ Every path has its puddle. Life has no reverse gear. NB: an e-mail message remains the Intellectual Property of the sender; traffic on this e-mail server may be normally subject to UK and French copyright law.

This is a test from a non-subscribed address so I can reject it and see what, if any message I get.

Yes, i forwarded the information from the Second Site list. In addition to website hosting, John Cardinal is a respected software developer of genealogy utilities. Or maybe we should say that website hosting is the "in addition" part. On Mar 8, 2018 10:22 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes Judy, I think you may have done. I believe it means Second Site. > > Derek Boddington > P.S. Roll on Freepages! > > -----Original Message----- > From: JFlorian <[email protected]> > Sent: 08 March 2018 13:16 > To: Freepages Web Sites <[email protected]> > Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: Fwd: [SS] Long-Term Web Hosting: GenArchives > > I believe the original post about "SS" meant "Server Side Includes". Did > I misinterpret that? > > > > >

Barb Lambert, thought you might want to know, your site link isn't found.  I'm not sure abt. the difference between fee-based & free wix sites, but my son has a free [2015] wix site & every page has /wixsite.com/ in the url.  Here's another example:   http://robemcca.wixsite.com/bobmccarthy Here's the error for your link:  This site can’t be reached sheldonjones-genes.net’s server IP address could not be found. ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED Kathie B On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 4:40 PM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 13:30:02 GMT From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: FREEPAGES-HELP Overcoming Rootsweb Loss To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I hope I did this reply right!  I dropped my dreamweaver program a few years ago, and had to resort to another kind of site, so I went with wix.com, used a template, I think, but here's my site, which I work on on-line.  I pay for the domain name, very small fee.  http://sheldonjones-genes.net/index.htm That's one way to go, and if you don't want to pay anything, you don't have to;  I've also used other template-based sites very successfully.  They have good directions, and you can make them look unique with their options.  Barb Lambert

Yes Judy, I think you may have done. I believe it means Second Site. Derek Boddington P.S. Roll on Freepages! -----Original Message----- From: JFlorian <[email protected]> Sent: 08 March 2018 13:16 To: Freepages Web Sites <[email protected]> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: Fwd: [SS] Long-Term Web Hosting: GenArchives I believe the original post about "SS" meant "Server Side Includes". Did I misinterpret that?

I believe the original post about "SS" meant "Server Side Includes". Did I misinterpret that?

I moved my site to this company and John has been the MOST helpful, patient helper anyone could ever ask for. Highly endorse. I'm still relearning things, but have taken the opportunity to make changes I've been thinking of for years. It's been a lot of work, but I don't work on this every day and sometimes I forget what I learned a month ago and have to relearn AGAIN, but the down time has turned out to be a blessing in disguise, for me at least. On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:59 PM Karla Huebner <[email protected]> wrote: > For another option for making sure your data remains available, see > below... > > Karla Huebner > calypsospots AT gmail.com > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: John Cardinal <[email protected]> > Date: Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 3:57 PM > Subject: [SS] Long-Term Web Hosting: GenArchives > To: [email protected] > > > Second Site users, > > My web hosting service, Family History Hosting > <https://www.familyhistoryhosting.com/> (FHH), has some new hosting plans > that may be of interest to Second Site users. > > *Family History Hosting now offers low-cost, long-term hosting plans that > will keep your content online for an extended time. * > > Using an Archive hosting plan, your project will stay online for 10 years > from your last payment. > > Archive plans include a Yearly Fee and a one-time Setup Fee that is nine > times the Yearly Fee. When you stop paying the Yearly Fee, the funds from > the setup fee extend your hosting subscription for an additional nine > years. > > Archive plans include only minimal features: the focus is on keeping your > content available online and keeping the cost as low as possible. You do > not use your own domain name with an Archive plan; Archive sites are > sub-sites within GenArchives.com <https://www.genarchives.com/>. This > eliminates the domain registration fee. Also, Archive plans do not support > email addresses. > > Customers may use an FTP client to upload content. Second Site users may > use the Publish command in Second Site to upload content. Your Archive site > may include Second Site content and/or content you maintain with other > tools. > > Archive plans may be sponsored by a third-party: a sponsor may donate an > amount equal to the Yearly Fee to extend the subscription by a year. > Sponsors have no rights over the content. > > Perhaps you are now publishing your site using a free service. The recent > prolonged suspension of RootsWeb web sites reveals the downside of relying > on a free service. Perhaps you are using hosting services provided by your > Internet service (ISP). Those services are typically not guaranteed, have > other limitations, and are discontinued when you terminate your Internet > service. > > Long-term hosting is not for everyone. The one-time Setup Fee may not be in > your budget, or you may want to use your own domain name for your site and > email addresses. However, you should consider what will happen to your > family history project when you are unable to maintain it. Will it simply > disappear, and be lost to your family and other interested researchers? An > Archive plan extends the lifetime of your project and increases the > possibility that your project will be utilized, or perhaps even adopted, > when you are no longer able to maintain it. > > For more information: > > GenArchives.com <https://www.genarchives.com/> > > Archive Plans <https://www.familyhistoryhosting.com/archiveplans.htm> > > > > John Cardinal > Family History Hosting, LLC > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Second Site" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > < > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > Virus-free. > www.avg.com > < > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > -- Jennifer McKemie Georgia, USA [email protected] ~ hertreestory.com

Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 13:30:02 GMT From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: FREEPAGES-HELP Overcoming Rootsweb Loss To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I hope I did this reply right! I dropped my dreamweaver program a few years ago, and had to resort to another kind of site, so I went with wix.com, used a template, I think, but here's my site, which I work on on-line. I pay for the domain name, very small fee. http://sheldonjones-genes.net/index.htm That's one way to go, and if you don't want to pay anything, you don't have to; I've also used other template-based sites very successfully. They have good directions, and you can make them look unique with their options. Barb Lambert

For another option for making sure your data remains available, see below... Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: John Cardinal <[email protected]> Date: Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 3:57 PM Subject: [SS] Long-Term Web Hosting: GenArchives To: [email protected] Second Site users, My web hosting service, Family History Hosting <https://www.familyhistoryhosting.com/> (FHH), has some new hosting plans that may be of interest to Second Site users. *Family History Hosting now offers low-cost, long-term hosting plans that will keep your content online for an extended time. * Using an Archive hosting plan, your project will stay online for 10 years from your last payment. Archive plans include a Yearly Fee and a one-time Setup Fee that is nine times the Yearly Fee. When you stop paying the Yearly Fee, the funds from the setup fee extend your hosting subscription for an additional nine years. Archive plans include only minimal features: the focus is on keeping your content available online and keeping the cost as low as possible. You do not use your own domain name with an Archive plan; Archive sites are sub-sites within GenArchives.com <https://www.genarchives.com/>. This eliminates the domain registration fee. Also, Archive plans do not support email addresses. Customers may use an FTP client to upload content. Second Site users may use the Publish command in Second Site to upload content. Your Archive site may include Second Site content and/or content you maintain with other tools. Archive plans may be sponsored by a third-party: a sponsor may donate an amount equal to the Yearly Fee to extend the subscription by a year. Sponsors have no rights over the content. Perhaps you are now publishing your site using a free service. The recent prolonged suspension of RootsWeb web sites reveals the downside of relying on a free service. Perhaps you are using hosting services provided by your Internet service (ISP). Those services are typically not guaranteed, have other limitations, and are discontinued when you terminate your Internet service. Long-term hosting is not for everyone. The one-time Setup Fee may not be in your budget, or you may want to use your own domain name for your site and email addresses. However, you should consider what will happen to your family history project when you are unable to maintain it. Will it simply disappear, and be lost to your family and other interested researchers? An Archive plan extends the lifetime of your project and increases the possibility that your project will be utilized, or perhaps even adopted, when you are no longer able to maintain it. For more information: GenArchives.com <https://www.genarchives.com/> Archive Plans <https://www.familyhistoryhosting.com/archiveplans.htm> John Cardinal Family History Hosting, LLC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Second Site" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected] For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

I think it is easier and less confusing to check the Wayback Machine more directly by going to http://web.archive.org I found 90% of my pages, directories and images had been spidered and I created a backups site for my freepages webpages at http://thecohens.theunixplace.com/ for free with no adds, which has links to all the pages of mine that have been spidered. The few pages that had not been spidered, for those I restored copies of them on my new backup site. The cool think about the Wayback Machine now is that even though the various pages on my site were spidered at different points in time, the archived site functions for visitors to these pages at archive.org, just as if they were on my site at rootsweb! The very few pages that had not been spidered - those are the only ones they get a message there saying the page had not been spidered. It is a lot of work and hassle to move a site elsewhere, and also it means losing all the SEO points you may have accummulated with links to your various pages over the years. So, while that ranking may suffer temporarily when freepages comes back up, I am confident my pages at freepages will go back to getting significant traffic once freepages is back online. So, for those of us who count on people being able to see our work, a backup site seems pretty important, as many on the list talked about back in January, but then you have to learn a new server. If you use any features from the Rootsweb Freepages server, such as SSI's, they may not work at a new server without some tweaking, if the new server even allows them. So, it depends on whether a temporary hiatus matters to you. For me, I was miserable when I could not send friends and family to my pages, and did not want to wait, with this being the second extended outage in something like a year and a half as I recall, so creating a backup site reached a point of being essential for me. But I will go back to keeping freepages as my main site when it comes back up at rootsweb, which I am also confident will happen. On 3/7/18, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > Have you checked whether your site is available on archive.org? > > It'd be read-only but at least others could see it, assuming that all the > files and subdirectories needed for it were archived at the same time... > > Ron Bauerle

Have you checked whether your site is available on archive.org? It'd be read-only but at least others could see it, assuming that all the files and subdirectories needed for it were archived at the same time... Ron Bauerle ---------- Original Message --------- From: "Neil Boyer" <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 20:34:06 -0500 I'm looking for guidance on how to deal with the absence of Rootsweb. I have a family research site on Rootsweb, with lots of text and lots of pictures, but no one can see the site, and I'm not seeing any hope of a quick restoration. All of the text and pictures of my site are on my computer. Also I posted the site via Filezilla and I think I can retrieve it through the same process by downloading. (Maybe that is a naive hope.) How do I make it functional once again? Can I copy the site from my computer and paste it into another web program so that it can be viewed and researched? If so, what opportunities exist for the hosting of this material? What program would be interested? Does anyone have experience in replicating/duplicating a family history on another site? In other words, is there a way around the Rootsweb failure? Many thanks for any advice. ____________________________________________________________ We Say GoodBye To Sally Fields iflperfecttouch.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5a9fe9cfc4ed669cf6732st03duc

Neil, I wouldn't get too stressed over waiting a little longer. It is obvious to me that prior to the Rootsweb servers being taken down, the systems in place had passed their security use-by date. The introduction of a secure mailing list is a sign that things are on the improve. The placing of all the user sites back online is a major task, and there is bound to be a heap more stress when FTP accounts eventually need to be re-established with new passwords and secure settings etc.. Meanwhile, waiting is the name of the game. Barry On 07-Mar-18 2:34 PM, Neil Boyer wrote: > I'm looking for guidance on how to deal with the absence of Rootsweb. I > have a family research site on Rootsweb, with lots of text and lots of > pictures, but no one can see the site, and I'm not seeing any hope of a > quick restoration. > > All of the text and pictures of my site are on my computer. Also I posted > the site via Filezilla and I think I can retrieve it through the same > process by downloading. (Maybe that is a naive hope.) How do I make it > functional once again? > > Can I copy the site from my computer and paste it into another web program > so that it can be viewed and researched? If so, what opportunities exist > for the hosting of this material? What program would be interested? Does > anyone have experience in replicating/duplicating a family history on > another site? In other words, is there a way around the Rootsweb failure? > Many thanks for any advice.

Neil and all,  I think patience will reward you with Rootsweb Freepages back. The fact that your posting has reached the group is evidence that they have indeed been working on Rootsweb.  There are others more wordly than me on Websites. But you can upload your website via Filezilla to any domain internet business you care to give your money to in exactly the same way as you did to get your own on Rootsweb, except the latter is free. The nice thing about Rootsweb is that it's an organisation particularly dedicated to genealogy and the like. If you sign up with any other and pay your money, usually annually, they will provide you with the details to upload your pages. You're 90% of the way there with your data backed up. Some ISP's have their own Free/Home pages but they are usually limited in size. That's how I started mine. My suggestion. Wait a little longer as many of us on this list have, and will. Cheers, Bryan On 07-Mar-18 2:34:58 PM, Neil Boyer <[email protected]> wrote: I'm looking for guidance on how to deal with the absence of Rootsweb. I have a family research site on Rootsweb, with lots of text and lots of pictures, but no one can see the site, and I'm not seeing any hope of a quick restoration. All of the text and pictures of my site are on my computer. Also I posted the site via Filezilla and I think I can retrieve it through the same process by downloading. (Maybe that is a naive hope.) How do I make it functional once again? Can I copy the site from my computer and paste it into another web program so that it can be viewed and researched? If so, what opportunities exist for the hosting of this material? What program would be interested? Does anyone have experience in replicating/duplicating a family history on another site? In other words, is there a way around the Rootsweb failure? Many thanks for any advice. -----Original Message----- From: FREEPAGES-HELP [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 3:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 12, Issue 129 Send FREEPAGES-HELP mailing list submissions to [email protected] **************************

I'm looking for guidance on how to deal with the absence of Rootsweb. I have a family research site on Rootsweb, with lots of text and lots of pictures, but no one can see the site, and I'm not seeing any hope of a quick restoration. All of the text and pictures of my site are on my computer. Also I posted the site via Filezilla and I think I can retrieve it through the same process by downloading. (Maybe that is a naive hope.) How do I make it functional once again? Can I copy the site from my computer and paste it into another web program so that it can be viewed and researched? If so, what opportunities exist for the hosting of this material? What program would be interested? Does anyone have experience in replicating/duplicating a family history on another site? In other words, is there a way around the Rootsweb failure? Many thanks for any advice. -----Original Message----- From: FREEPAGES-HELP [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 3:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 12, Issue 129 Send FREEPAGES-HELP mailing list submissions to [email protected] **************************

I would hope they will not discontinue less used areas just because they are less used, that does not mean there is not valuable information in them. There are vital record transcriptions for around the world in the databases, I am sure of that because I plowed through them, looking for databases containing birth record transcriptions for my free birth records webpages here. One big reason I worked so hard at that, was the feeling that I could bring them traffic from people who would not otherwise find them. And the people who uploaded that data did so with the understanding it would stay online, it would be a major disservice to them to not restore those, in the same way as I think it is not okay for them to have totally removed the Rootsweb Surname Lists, a lot of people used those. I have set up another site to serve as a mirror or backup of all my rootsweb contributions - but am hoping ancestry will get WorldConnect and especially Freepages back online before I can finish converting stuff to work on the other site. I just decided that, with the second prolonged outage in the last year and a half or so (IIRC), I need somewhere I can send friends and relatives when rootsweb is down. My freepages pages are at Archive.org, but with all the broken links when rootsweb is down, I am using the Internet Archive as a last resort. On 1/13/18, Pat Asher via FREEPAGES-HELP <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't have any insider information, but I am going to assume they are > looking at the overall picture, and there may be some areas of RootsWeb that > will be discontinued. According to their announcement, those areas do NOT > include hosted web sites, WorldConnect, and mail lists. They indicate those > will continue. > What may be lost are some of the less well known and less used areas of > RootsWeb -- database contributions, for example. We'll have to wait and see > on those. > Pat A.

I don't have any insider information, but I am going to assume they are looking at the overall picture, and there may be some areas of RootsWeb that will be discontinued. According to their announcement, those areas do NOT include hosted web sites, WorldConnect, and mail lists. They indicate those will continue. What may be lost are some of the less well known and less used areas of RootsWeb -- database contributions, for example. We'll have to wait and see on those. Pat A. On Saturday, January 13, 2018 11:49 AM, Janice Gonzales Barry via FREEPAGES-HELP <[email protected]> wrote: Can anyone tell me why the notice says they will bring back online "many" of our contributions? Why  not all of our contributions? What are the criteria for deciding what is brought back online and what isn't? Janice Gonzales Barry Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone tell me why the notice says they will bring back online "many" of our contributions? Why  not all of our contributions? What are the criteria for deciding what is brought back online and what isn't? Janice Gonzales Barry Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

Judy, I hope you are correct and my cynicism  toward Ancestry is totally unfounded.   [><]  Tom Watkins Eau Gallie, Florida  W_a_t_k_i_n_s, A_d_a_m_s, B_o_n_d, B_o_o_t_h, B_r_o_o_k_s, C_a_i_n, C_l_e_m_e_n_t_s, G_i_b_s_o_n, H_o_w_e_l_l, J_o_n_e_s, L_a_s_s_i_t_e_r, M_a_r_s_h, P_a_r_r_i_s_h, R_e_e_v_e_s, S_a_n_d_e_r_s, W_a_l_l http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tew4515/  http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=tew4515&I11.x=26&I11.y=5  tomsgenealogy at yahoo dot com  

"expected the ax to fall..." ?? RootsWeb was acquired by Ancestry in June 2000. I'd say they've been holding onto that old ax handle for just shy of 18 years. I doubt they'll let the ax cut anything off now. But ax handles weaken and blades need sharpened. Let them put on a stronger handle and a new shiny head.... and hold up the ax another 18 years... Judy

Again, from Kathie B.  My links always get messed up when I add anything after them?  The site is https://www.ourfamtree.org/   On Thursday, January 11, 2018 8:10 PM, Kabe via FREEPAGES-HELP <[email protected]> wrote: Someone in the rootsweb blog suggested  https://www.ourfamtree.org/Kathie B     On Thursday, January 11, 2018 5:27 PM, Jennifer McKemie via FREEPAGES-HELP <[email protected]> wrote: I purchased a plan from Family History hosting to do the same as Ann has done with her island company (an island!). I'm hoping to do the same, create a mirror site, but at the moment I'm finding it a little intimidating to start from the beginning as there is so much to do and I felt so comfortable with Freepages. And I'd had the basic structure set up for so long, I've forgotten so much! lol trying to do it more "correctly" but I dunno! Lotsa work! On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:57 AM Vanessa Stern via FREEPAGES-HELP < [email protected]> wrote: > There have been discussions on this list from time to time about what > happens to all of our hard work in the future - when we are no longer > here to do the upkeep.  We have been assured that the sites will go > nowhere - they will exist into perpetuity unless we designate someone > to take over.  I have a historic site that I have been working on and > housing on Freepages for 15 years.  Now I am uneasy that it will > continue to exists and am looking at other options.  What are others > thinking/doing? > > Vanessa