I have an _include for a header on a section of pages. <p><....img class="imglft" src="images/church.jpg" alt-"1799s church facade" width="125" height="115" alt="church picture"> <....h2 class="imgrgt">Churches of Washington County PA</h2> <p class="imgrgt"><b>Churches, Records, Photos</p> <br> The 3rd line is showing above the h2 line. it should be one pic Churches of Washington County PA more pic Churches, Records, Photos Why is the records line showing before the of Washington Co line? Thanks Judy -- -- WASHINGTON COUNTY PA WEBSITES::: http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~florian/ http://freepages.school-alumni.rootsweb.com/~florian/the-rockdoctor/ Coordinator of the Washington County PAGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pawashin/

On 06/29/2018 10:14 AM, Pat Asher wrote: > > The Freepages agreement did not include any language about what > happened to a site whose owner had passed; but as several of you have > mentioned, we were told at various times by various RW staff that our > sites would remain on line if we were no longer able to maintain them > -- for whatever reason. You can also "will" your site to someone. Just give them the login information. -- There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo. Please use in that order.

At 10:20 AM 6/29/2018, Vanessa Stern wrote: >If possible, search the archives for this list going back several >years. There have been several discussions on this subject >promising perpetuity. > >One of my sites is a historical site I have been working on for 16 >years with my father. It was his pet project. He is now 83 years >old and has fretted about what will become of it in the future. I >have always assured him that it will always be there, even if not updated. I'm going out on a limb here but if memory serves ..... The Freepages agreement did not include any language about what happened to a site whose owner had passed; but as several of you have mentioned, we were told at various times by various RW staff that our sites would remain on line if we were no longer able to maintain them -- for whatever reason. However, I don't believe there was ever a statement about "perpetuity." That would be an impossible promise to keep. Disks fail, files become corrupted, technology changes, and companies change their business model or go out of business entirely. In the case of RootsWeb, a serious security flaw was discovered. Because RootsWeb is being rebuilt from the ground up, they need some way to determine who WANTS to have their content restored, and who does NOT. It's a catch 22 for RootsWeb and personally, I can't think of an alternative to having each site owner authorize the publication of their content by re-registering. Pat Asher

If possible, search the archives for this list going back several years. There have been several discussions on this subject promising perpetuity. One of my sites is a historical site I have been working on for 16 years with my father. It was his pet project. He is now 83 years old and has fretted about what will become of it in the future. I have always assured him that it will always be there, even if not updated. Vanessa --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Just checked and see they've put up an update on progress! Check out https://home.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ Cheri Zuber http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~zuber/

I'll contact you off list and we will figure it out. Anne On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 5:26 PM, Augusta B. Elmwood <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, Everyone, I just joined the list when I heard about the > website/ancestry problem. > Unfortunately, I registered my website in 2000 with an e-dress that no > longer exists (prodigy.net). So I don't think I will even *get* a > notification? Can you advise how I might handle this? I do want it back > up and running. > Thanks > Augusta Elmwood > > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 6:19 PM Paul Sheats <[email protected]> wrote: > > > This is indeed good news. > > > > How will Ancestry be notifying us? Are they sending emails every > > individual who had a free pages site? > > > > Thanks. > > Paul > > > > ____________ > > > > Second, when we get the announcement, you will have to register your > > account and ask that it be restored. Otherwise it will not be brought > > back on line. Ancestry does not charge to view Freepages web sites. > > > > > > Pat Asher > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > > > Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > [email protected]/ > > > > Archives: > > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > [email protected]/ > > > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > community > > > > > -- > "History must have, as its companions, Truth and Liberty; and unless it has > this sublime escort, it is nothing but Deception or Base Adulation." > ---Médéric-Louis-Élie Moreau de Saint-Méry in his journal > of his stay in America > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > [email protected]/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > [email protected]/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

I posted a question to Ann, product manager at Ancestry, about people (with sites) who may have died. I am suggesting after Ancestry proceeds with their plan to reinstate any site if the webmaster contacts them (via link in July), that they put all other sites into Read Only so any deceased person who relied on the idea that their work would be protected WILL have that honored. Ann asked me where I saw or heard the "in perpetuity" promise. If anyone remembers, please write in on these 2 lists. One person just emailed me and said she was told from Ancestry that her site would stay up even if she died. I'm bringing this up for all of us living, too. Most of us have relied on this premise. We WANT our work to live on. Most of us have stayed with Rootsweb because of the idea of our sites "outliving me". So maybe it is time for all of us to say why we have stayed, what we expect, and how important it is for Ancestry to honor work* housed on their server. *By work, I mean genealogy and historical information, records, photos etc. And work done by any webmaster, living now or deceased. Though (from my memory) we were also promised that RW and Freepages sites would always be free, AND we have been told sites could be very large (and grow even larger with permission), maybe Ancestry needs some feedback about WHY we want to stay on their servers. What does this mean for us, especially since many of us are over 50 or 60 yrs old, and compiled info over our entire lives! How important is it to you that Ancestry restores ALL sites? .... especially considering some people died believing their descendants would always have the site online.. Judy -- -- WASHINGTON COUNTY PA WEBSITES::: http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~florian/ http://freepages.school-alumni.rootsweb.com/~florian/the-rockdoctor/ Coordinator of the Washington County PAGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pawashin/

In the past (before Ancestry removed our content) I had people from Freepages help attempting to help me. I bought every book on FTP that I saw. I tried and still I could NOT upload anything to my site. -------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 09:23:07 -0400 From: Pat Asher <[email protected]> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: Freepages, Roots Web To: Glen peddy <[email protected]>, Freepages Web Sites     <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]     m05.prod.protection.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:41 PM 6/27/2018, Glen peddy via FREEPAGES-HELP wrote: >I've never figured out FTP or any other program to access my content >to update/add to it (77 years old). >PLEASE HAVE ANCESTRY DELETE ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE UPLOADED. >Yes, delete everything. I do NOT want Ancestry charging others to >see my information when I can not access it. First, there are a number of people on this list who will be glad to help you figure out how to use your FTP program to update your site. Just tell us which FTP program you have chosen. Filezilla is popular and free. Second, when we get the announcement, you will have to register your account and ask that it be restored. Otherwise it will not be brought back on line. Ancestry does not charge to view Freepages web sites. Pat Asher ------------------------------

Anne, Two things. 1.) I wrote to Rootsweb a year or two ago and asked about my site(s) if something happened to me [ I ain't gettin any younger ]. I was assured at that time that my site would remain there for as long as Rootsweb survived. [ Not stated exactly that way but that was the gist of it ] 2.) Sorry to take up space here but.................. It was reported on the USGenWeb that the e-mails have been sent and that if we haven't received it to email [email protected]' On 06/28/2018 07:09 PM, Anne Mitchell wrote: > Judy, can you point me where that was stated. I understand your concern. I > know I can't promise forever. There is a cost associated with all of this. > And not all of the websites are genealogy related which is the focus of the > site. And what does forever mean? In 3018 these sites will still be up > and running? In 9018? > > Again, please point me to where this was stated and I'll try and get it > figured out. > > Anne > > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 4:58 PM, JFlorian <[email protected]> wrote: > >> And yes, not re-publishing is not the same as deleting it. >> >> Anne, >> >> Not to throw a wrench in this, but... (wait for the wrench coming....).... >> >> Ancestry assured folks that websites under the free Rootsweb umbrella would >> never, ever be taken down. That we could all die and our content would >> remain online, forever and ever....amen! That is why most of us have stuck >> around all these years.... for keeping history online. >> >> Well, some webmasters have died. So they won't be here to jump hoops and >> ask for a reinstatement. Uhm.... this breaches Ancestry's promise to hold >> all of our sites for forever. >> >> Could you please ask The Powers That Be to first reinstate ones that ask >> you, and receive their new passwords. THEN, reinstate the old sites with >> an Ancestry-issued PW for all missing owners who might just not be with us >> anymore. It was the promise made--to all of us. Suggest that ones with >> no webmaster contact go into Read-only until the webmaster or family member >> or the StateGenWeb contacts RW/Ancestry. >> >> Please don't take back this promise. >> >> Judy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ >> [email protected]/ >> >> Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ >> [email protected]/ >> >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > -- There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo. Please use in that order.

OK, thanks! I will be looking out for it. Augusta On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 7:34 PM JFlorian <[email protected]> wrote: > Augusta, > > The link will be floating around come July. Dunno how they will handle > dead emails. Sigh. Lots of issues for tech people. Think good thoughts > for them. > > Judy > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- "History must have, as its companions, Truth and Liberty; and unless it has this sublime escort, it is nothing but Deception or Base Adulation." ---Médéric-Louis-Élie Moreau de Saint-Méry in his journal of his stay in America

Augusta, The link will be floating around come July. Dunno how they will handle dead emails. Sigh. Lots of issues for tech people. Think good thoughts for them. Judy

"Judy, can you point me where that was stated. I understand your concern. I know I can't promise forever. There is a cost associated with all of this. And not all of the websites are genealogy related which is the focus of the site. " Pat A? Pat G? Any person who's been around a long time..... can you help me here. I started in 2006, and was told this from the beginning for both my County PAGenWeb account and my Freepages account. The wording I always heard was "in perpetuity" and it was said in reference to Ancestry taking over the sites housed under Rootsweb-- all of them under RW.... all of them. As well, when folks asked if we could pay RW a small fee, we were told that only the other RW accounts (who paid long ago) had some special arrangement. As to your last comment, they are all supposed to be US, State, County + genealogy related. e.g. There were specific files and uses that were no-nos. Like.... no using it as back up for your harddrive or programs. Anyway, I thought in perpetuity meant until Ancestry "died" as a company....which we all ( I ) thought might be a very long time after most of us are no longer here! LOL How old will Ancestry be this year?? And, back to the point....folks counted on Ancestry to hold onto our sites. I do. Anyone who died shouldn't have their sites taken down just because Ancestry had a security breach. Genealogy is genealogy.... I know *I* am counting on Ancestry to preserve MY county genealogy work if I get sick and die. Please look for the agreements made when Ancestry took over Rootsweb. Judy

Hi, Everyone, I just joined the list when I heard about the website/ancestry problem. Unfortunately, I registered my website in 2000 with an e-dress that no longer exists (prodigy.net). So I don't think I will even *get* a notification? Can you advise how I might handle this? I do want it back up and running. Thanks Augusta Elmwood On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 6:19 PM Paul Sheats <[email protected]> wrote: > This is indeed good news. > > How will Ancestry be notifying us? Are they sending emails every > individual who had a free pages site? > > Thanks. > Paul > > ____________ > > Second, when we get the announcement, you will have to register your > account and ask that it be restored. Otherwise it will not be brought > back on line. Ancestry does not charge to view Freepages web sites. > > > Pat Asher > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- "History must have, as its companions, Truth and Liberty; and unless it has this sublime escort, it is nothing but Deception or Base Adulation." ---Médéric-Louis-Élie Moreau de Saint-Méry in his journal of his stay in America

Judy, can you point me where that was stated. I understand your concern. I know I can't promise forever. There is a cost associated with all of this. And not all of the websites are genealogy related which is the focus of the site. And what does forever mean? In 3018 these sites will still be up and running? In 9018? Again, please point me to where this was stated and I'll try and get it figured out. Anne On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 4:58 PM, JFlorian <[email protected]> wrote: > And yes, not re-publishing is not the same as deleting it. > > Anne, > > Not to throw a wrench in this, but... (wait for the wrench coming....).... > > Ancestry assured folks that websites under the free Rootsweb umbrella would > never, ever be taken down. That we could all die and our content would > remain online, forever and ever....amen! That is why most of us have stuck > around all these years.... for keeping history online. > > Well, some webmasters have died. So they won't be here to jump hoops and > ask for a reinstatement. Uhm.... this breaches Ancestry's promise to hold > all of our sites for forever. > > Could you please ask The Powers That Be to first reinstate ones that ask > you, and receive their new passwords. THEN, reinstate the old sites with > an Ancestry-issued PW for all missing owners who might just not be with us > anymore. It was the promise made--to all of us. Suggest that ones with > no webmaster contact go into Read-only until the webmaster or family member > or the StateGenWeb contacts RW/Ancestry. > > Please don't take back this promise. > > Judy > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > [email protected]/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > [email protected]/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Paul, we hope to. Unfortunately, about 30% of the emails are dead and if we send too many, we start to get blacklisted. I'm hoping the word starts to get out and people will hit the form (in two weeks) and fill it out. Anne On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 4:19 PM, Paul Sheats <[email protected]> wrote: > This is indeed good news. > > How will Ancestry be notifying us? Are they sending emails every > individual who had a free pages site? > > Thanks. > Paul > > ____________ > > Second, when we get the announcement, you will have to register your > account and ask that it be restored. Otherwise it will not be brought > back on line. Ancestry does not charge to view Freepages web sites. > > > Pat Asher > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > [email protected]/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > [email protected]/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Warrick, Sites were on a Temp message. Some are not now; most still are. Take deep breath--- July is almost here! YAY.

And yes, not re-publishing is not the same as deleting it. Anne, Not to throw a wrench in this, but... (wait for the wrench coming....).... Ancestry assured folks that websites under the free Rootsweb umbrella would never, ever be taken down. That we could all die and our content would remain online, forever and ever....amen! That is why most of us have stuck around all these years.... for keeping history online. Well, some webmasters have died. So they won't be here to jump hoops and ask for a reinstatement. Uhm.... this breaches Ancestry's promise to hold all of our sites for forever. Could you please ask The Powers That Be to first reinstate ones that ask you, and receive their new passwords. THEN, reinstate the old sites with an Ancestry-issued PW for all missing owners who might just not be with us anymore. It was the promise made--to all of us. Suggest that ones with no webmaster contact go into Read-only until the webmaster or family member or the StateGenWeb contacts RW/Ancestry. Please don't take back this promise. Judy

"I do NOT want Ancestry charging others to see my information when I can not access it." OMG-- Nobody's charging anybody. RELAX. Please. Smile.

This is indeed good news. How will Ancestry be notifying us? Are they sending emails every individual who had a free pages site? Thanks. Paul ____________ Second, when we get the announcement, you will have to register your account and ask that it be restored. Otherwise it will not be brought back on line. Ancestry does not charge to view Freepages web sites. Pat Asher

I'm not just a "user" I am the Product Manager at Ancestry for Rootsweb. And a user too. :-) And yes, not re-publishing is not the same as deleting it. If you really want something deleted, it can be done. But it can't be requested here. Send an email to [email protected] and it can be done. Anne On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 3:55 PM, Ralph Taylor <[email protected]> wrote: > Re: "PLEASE HAVE ANCESTRY DELETE ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE > UPLOADED." > > Am I correct in thinking that this is essentially what will happen if one > does nothing? That Ancestry will not re-publish the site? That it will not > move the site's content from its stored place to one accessible on the > Web? > > So, that's not exactly the saem as deleting the information; Ancestry may > still have it. It is, though, no longer publicly viewable. > > But, I should point out that a request on this list is not the same as a > request to Ancestry. We here are all just "users" like you. > > -rt_/) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > [email protected]/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > [email protected]/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >