Many thanks to Paul for his encouraging note, and to Anne for her advice. I've been on the verge of giving up since it has been very frustrating for me to get Filezilla to work. Recently, Anne posted two URLs that should enable anyone to open a site. For me, they worked! https://www.rootsweb.com/~sitename or https://sites.rootsweb.com/~sitename 1. Thank you Anne Mitchell! (Paul Sheats) Both of those links, with my sitename boyerlinks added, produced my pages, and I could read them, test all of the links, forward the site to others -- almost exactly what I wanted. BUT I cannot use that link to edit my pages, to add or subtract or change anything. For that I need to log on to Filezilla and then go to Kompozer to make the changes. For the past week, I have been unable to log on to Filezilla. But this morning, encouraged by Paul's note, and the Geary Computer Tips, I was able to produce the Filezilla site with side-by-side panes. The right pane contains genealogy_html. I think that will take me to the files I want to edit. This is where I need help. Do I right-click on genealogy, and then open the files I want to change? Or do I go first to Kompozer, where I think I should find the same files, and then open and edit them? I am a little concerned by the advice that I should not double-click files such as those unless I know exactly what will result, and I don't. Or, perhaps a better answer?, should I first drag the genealogy file from the right side to the left (where it does not now appear), and use Kompozer to edit it on the left side? I think you can see that Paul is right, that I need someone who is tech-savvy who can help answer those questions. Anyone who is kibitzing should feel to join in. Thank you all. Neil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 20:52:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Sheats <paul.sheats@q.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]Thank you Anne Mitchell! To: freepages-help <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1920917312.12896522.1534207973313.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Wow, all this time I didn't know my site was available (because of the /home.htm, which I changed to index.htm). Thank you Anne! I was able to change my password and get my FileZilla settings changed and logged in successfully! I went through my pages and updated the links, and uploaded my changed pages, all without a hitch. I'm good to go. Happy camper again. For those still having troubles... Neil... do you have anyone tech savvy that can help you with FileZilla (or whatever FTP tool you are using)? I've been following the conversation, and it seems like you have had some successes, but you need to find where your pages are stored on your hard drive (left pane in FileZilla). Thanks again Anne! Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 13:48:03 -0700 From: Anne Mitchell <annerootsweb@gmail.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 13, Issue 173 To: Freepages Web Sites <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAMnPmEGkCHVzeT55_uigafUBTZJ5-SAgWF88gtxztHZWiHDMTA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Your site is here: http://sites.rootsweb.com/~sheetsdna/home.htm <http://sites.rootsweb.com/~sheetsdna> By the way, you need to move home.htm to index.htm or index.html otherwise when people go to http://sites.rootsweb.com/~sheetsdna they see the forbidden 403 page. Your email is correct. Here are the instructions. ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer -To contact the freepages-help list administrator, send an email to freepages-help-admin@rootsweb.com. -To post a message to the freepages-help mailing list, send an email to freepages-help@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to freepages-help-leave@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. ------------------------------ End of FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 13, Issue 182 ***********************************************

Wow, all this time I didn't know my site was available (because of the /home.htm, which I changed to index.htm). Thank you Anne! I was able to change my password and get my FileZilla settings changed and logged in successfully! I went through my pages and updated the links, and uploaded my changed pages, all without a hitch. I'm good to go. Happy camper again. For those still having troubles... Neil... do you have anyone tech savvy that can help you with FileZilla (or whatever FTP tool you are using)? I've been following the conversation, and it seems like you have had some successes, but you need to find where your pages are stored on your hard drive (left pane in FileZilla). Thanks again Anne! Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 13:48:03 -0700 From: Anne Mitchell <annerootsweb@gmail.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 13, Issue 173 To: Freepages Web Sites <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAMnPmEGkCHVzeT55_uigafUBTZJ5-SAgWF88gtxztHZWiHDMTA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Your site is here: http://sites.rootsweb.com/~sheetsdna/home.htm <http://sites.rootsweb.com/~sheetsdna> By the way, you need to move home.htm to index.htm or index.html otherwise when people go to http://sites.rootsweb.com/~sheetsdna they see the forbidden 403 page. Your email is correct. Here are the instructions.

At 11:12 AM 8/13/2018, Billie Walsh wrote: >Honestly, I would think it would be in the best interest of >Rootsweb/Ancestry to keep those sites active on some level. If no >one in my family is interested in maintaining my site(s) I would >love for them to give them to someone that was passionate about >keeping them alive. Billie, that is the crux of the matter. Ancestry's Terms & Conditions <https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions> specify the rules for User Provided Content: "With respect to User Provided Content, you agree that: "You are solely responsible for your User Provided Content; "You represent and warrant that you have all the necessary RIGHTS [emphasis added] to upload or post your User Provided Content and that your User Provided Content complies with the Ancestry Community Rules; "You will provide Ancestry, upon our request, with any documentation necessary to evidence your compliance with these Terms; x x x" As a User, you can evidence your wish to RootsWeb/Ancestry for someone else to maintain your site after your passing by providing that person with the login information to your account; but if you do not and/or you have not provided for transfer of whatever copyrights you might possess via a written will or other conveyance, then the rules of intestate succession in your state apply. While Ancestry might keep a User Provided Content site online under the terms and conditions to which the original User agreed when they uploaded their content, that is a different kettle of fish from transferring ownership (and the ability to change content) to someone other than the presumed copyright owner. Pat A.

Your site is here: http://sites.rootsweb.com/~sheetsdna/home.htm <http://sites.rootsweb.com/~sheetsdna> By the way, you need to move home.htm to index.htm or index.html otherwise when people go to http://sites.rootsweb.com/~sheetsdna they see the forbidden 403 page. Your email is correct. Here are the instructions. First, you will need to reset your password. Go to: https://useraccount.rootsweb.com/websites/requestChangePassword And enter the email address you believe is connected to the account. If you don't receive the email, check your spam folder. Click on the link and follow the steps to reset your password. Passwords must be between 10 and 32 characters long, and must contain at least one uppercase letter, one lowercase letter, one number, and one of the following special characters: _ ! @ # ( ) DO NOT use the * or & characters!!! You must click the box to accept the Terms and Conditions and Privacy Statement. Once you have done that, you can access your site. We do not support fileman any longer, and will not be bringing it back. You may use any FTP client to access the site that supports the current version of SFTP. This short video will show you how to use FileZilla to access your site. https://www.ancestry.com/academy/course/connect-rootsweb-filezilla The host you will be connecting to is: sftp://sitesuser.rootsweb.com You can find your site using two different URLs https://www.rootsweb.com/~sitename or https://sites.rootsweb.com/~sitename Your RootsWeb Team On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 11:59 AM, Paul Sheats <paul.sheats@q.com> wrote: > My email was probably different when I first set up my freepages account. > Will they still restore my site if my email is different now? My site name > was ~sheetsdna > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "paul" <paul.sheats@q.com> > To: "freepages-help" <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 12:34:13 PM > Subject: Re: FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 13, Issue 173 > > Yes, my site was in the genealogy_html subdirectory. I have been checking > every few days, but I'm still getting the "forbidden" message. > > I asked because they said it could take up to 4 weeks, and it's been 5 > weeks. I'm wondering if I need to request it to be restored (again), or > just be patient :) > > Thanks. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb. > com/listindexes/search/freepages-help > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Paul, We are still restoring. What site was it you were looking for? Anne On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 8:00 PM, Paul Sheats <paul.sheats@q.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I requested my site be restored around July 7th, so it's been about 5 > weeks, and it is still not restored. I'm assuming they are still working > on restoring sites? > > > Thanks. > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb. > com/listindexes/search/freepages-help > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

I've added it to the list. Anne On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Dave Hein via FREEPAGES-HELP < freepages-help@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I am trying to get the freepages ~pick site restored. Tom Pick's site > contains data on births and marriages that was collected from microfilms of > church records in the Eifel area of Germany. Tom Pick passed away a few > years ago, but the data remained at his freepages site until RootsWeb was > taken down. Before RootsWeb was taken down this site was used extensively > by genealogist studying the Eifel area. > I have an ~eifel site that was restored, and it contains a few links to > other Eifel sites. However, the bulk of the ~eifel site is a name index > into Tom Pick's ~pick site. I requested that Tom's site be restored, and I > explained in my request that the owner is no longer living and that the > site contains information used by many researchers. The site has not been > restored, and I have not receive an email from RootsWeb acknowledging that > they received my request, nor have I received an email indicating whether > my request has been rejected. > I ask that RootsWeb please restore this site. A couple of years before > Tom Pick passed away he sent me a letter expressing his concern that his > data might disappear after he dies. Please don't allow that to happen. > Thanks,Dave Hein > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb. > com/listindexes/search/freepages-help > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Bill, Your site has not been restored yet. It is on the list. Anne On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 1:14 PM, Bill Gentry <wmgentry@gmail.com> wrote: > I have repeatedly over a period of several weeks tried to access the > change password site. I have never gotten any acknowledgement or > response. My email address is wmgentry -at- gmail.com and username is > taylorroots. I had no difficulty in the past in accessing FreePages so my > credentials as of that time were correct. Where do I go to get someone to > check the credentials that RootsWeb has for me now? > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb. > com/listindexes/search/freepages-help > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Your site has not been restored yet Jan. It is on the list. Anne On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 5:30 AM, Jan Armstrong <jan.armstrong@att.net> wrote: > I have followed these instructions for requesting the restoration of my > page, but each time I get the red letter reply that my information is > incorrect. Please advise. Thank you > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Aug 4, 2018, at 6:29 AM, freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > Send FREEPAGES-HELP mailing list submissions to > > freepages-help@rootsweb.com > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > > body 'help' to > > freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > freepages-help-owner@rootsweb.com > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of FREEPAGES-HELP digest..." > > > > When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to > which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. > Remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the > message subject to which you are replying. > > ***FREEPAGES HELP & FAQ*** > > <http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/FAQ/fpindex.html> > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: unsubscribe (bob adams) > > 2. Re: Other Rootsweb question (Pat Asher) > > 3. Re: FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 13, Issue 106 (Pat Asher) > > 4. Re: No clue about what's going on (Pat Asher) > > 5. Help with password (J Taylor`) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 11:32:28 +0000 > > From: bob adams <bobadams450@hotmail.co.uk> > > Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: unsubscribe > > To: freepages-help <freepages-help@rootsweb.com>, > > freepages-help-request <freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <DB6P189MB043853F3B2E350B5A8E2A036B6220@DB6P189MB0438.EURP > > 189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Please remove this email address from free pages help request > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2018 07:54:50 -0400 > > From: Pat Asher <pjroots@att.net> > > Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: Other Rootsweb question > > To: Freepages Web Sites <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <201808041155.w74Bt1mT010193@mx0b-002f8e01.pphosted.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed > > > > At 09:09 PM 8/3/2018, Gene Leckie wrote: > >> Having followed most of the dialog regarding > >> restoring web sites I have successfully had mine > >> restored. So if possible could I be directed > >> to the proper group to ask when will "World > >> Connect" access come about? Any help Appreciated. Thanks > > > > World Connect databases are on line at https://wc.rootsweb.com > > > > The are working on the programming that will allow you to update your > gedcom. > > > > > > Pat A. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2018 07:58:36 -0400 > > From: Pat Asher <pjroots@att.net> > > Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 13, Issue 106 > > To: Freepages Web Sites <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <201808041158.w74BvHlY012035@mx0b-002f8e01.pphosted.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > At 09:46 PM 8/3/2018, Jan Armstrong wrote: > >> I am still unable to find out if my site is back up. I keep going to > >> http://sites.rootsweb.com/~janarmstrong. The message I receive is > >> that I am forbidden from accessing my page. Help please. Thank you > > > > That means your site has not yet been restored. You must ASK for it > > to be restored at https://useraccount.rootsweb. > com/websites/restoreWebsite > > > > > > Pat A. > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2018 08:03:35 -0400 > > From: Pat Asher <pjroots@att.net> > > Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: No clue about what's going on > > To: Freepages Web Sites <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <201808041203.w74BvIq5018041@mx0a-002f8e01.pphosted.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > At 01:16 AM 8/4/2018, Mary Ellen Rossi wrote: > >> I don't know what's going on. I sent a request to get my page back up > but > >> have heard nothing back. If this is a request for money. then let folks > >> know. If this is about how many hoops you can jump through, then this is > >> crazy. > > > > You may not hear (receive an email notice), and it can take 2 to 4 > > weeks for your site to be restored. You can find out if your site is > > back by checking https://sites.rootsweb.com/~sitename/ > > where sitename is the name of your account that appears in the URL > > following the tilde (~). > > > > RootsWeb is still free. > > > > > > Pat A. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 08:29:29 -0400 > > From: "J Taylor`" <ancestor.twigs@gmail.com> > > Subject: [FreeHelp]Help with password > > To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: > > <CABB36TjQnxf5Yp7EVSxhOJ6u2nTDkuxPsgxawHSyjr1cD-PF5Q@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > My site is online and I have requested a password several times but have > > not received it. I get the notice after I request it that if I have not > > received it in 15 minutes to try again. I know I am using the right > email > > address. Who do I contact? > > > > Thank you, > > Jerry Taylor > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > -To contact the freepages-help list administrator, send an email to > freepages-help-admin@rootsweb.com. > > -To post a message to the freepages-help mailing list, send an email to > freepages-help@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > freepages-help-leave@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 13, Issue 153 > > *********************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb. > com/listindexes/search/freepages-help > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Jerry, Your site has not been restored yet. When you see it here: http://sites.rootsweb.com/~brockancestry then you can request your password Anne On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 5:29 AM, J Taylor` <ancestor.twigs@gmail.com> wrote: > My site is online and I have requested a password several times but have > not received it. I get the notice after I request it that if I have not > received it in 15 minutes to try again. I know I am using the right email > address. Who do I contact? > > Thank you, > Jerry Taylor > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb. > com/listindexes/search/freepages-help > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Woo hoo! I just couldn't get into my site to ftp uploads for updates. I tried everything. I was so frustrated, I stopped trying for a couple of weeks and went off and did other household chores. Today I went through all those Freepage Help list e-mails that had accumulated since then, looking for a clue. And there it was. A discussion about the character &. Heh heh. So now we're back in business. Coffee and donuts on the house! Carol--cregehr@yahoo.com  

Curt, There is no HTML command as such. Google and other web spiders use their own algorithms to index and rate a website and each page within each website. The two most important places to put search engine information are in the <title> </title> field at the beginning of each html page, and also in the <h1> </h1> "headline" which is usually the first visible text of each page. If your website is about the genealogy of the Milton family, then your page title should be something like <title>Milton Family Genealogy</title>. Your "headline" could be something like "<h1>Descendants of George Milton and Elizabeth Smith</h1>" (or whatever). Please don't waste the <title> area by putting in something silly like "Genealogy" because it will get completely buried by a million other similar wasted titles. The same goes for your "h1" title. If you put in something cute but unrelated to what the website is actually about, then people will have a harder time finding it. After you've posted your website on the internet, you must then submit it to Google and other search engines. Don't pay some company to do it for you -- most of them are scams. You can do it yourself with a few clicks. The only search engines which matter are Google and I guess Bing. I've never used anything else and 99% of internet users don't either. Here's a starting link to register your site on Google -- https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/34397?hl=en. Here's a starting link to register your site on Bing -- https://www.bing.com/toolbox/submit-site-url Note that you submit a website to each search engine only once. After it has been submitted, it's good to go for ever. Good luck, Charlie Dobie. At 06:08 PM 8/12/2018, you wrote: >Can you provide any guidance on including key >words etc, to aid search engines in finding our >websites? Is there an HTML command associated >with this and what approaches have been found effective. > >Thanks for the big effort here. > >Curt > >_______________________________________________ >Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >Unsubscribe and Archives >https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/freepages-help >Privacy Statement: >https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com >and our loyal RootsWeb community

A couple years ago, realizing my own mortality, I wrote to Rootsweb about my site(s). I was told that the site would still be there long after my no longer being able to take care of them [ I will refrain from saying forever]. Also, I could "will" them to someone by giving them the passwords if they were interested in maintaining them. There was no mention of any legal mumbo jumbo. I can't speak for anyone but myself but I cannot really "copyright" much of the material I have posted on any of my sites. The only possible copyright I might have is in how it is displayed [ the HTML coding I used ]. Now, if there is no one to maintain a site any longer about all they can "copyright" is their coding. There's no money in it. So it would be entirely doubtful that anyone would care if someone else wished to take over the site and maintain/add to it. Legally.................................... Realistically................................ Honestly, I would think it would be in the best interest of Rootsweb/Ancestry to keep those sites active on some level. If no one in my family is interested in maintaining my site(s) I would love for them to give them to someone that was passionate about keeping them alive. On 08/13/2018 09:23 AM, Pat Asher wrote: > At 08:43 PM 8/12/2018, JFlorian wrote: >> If a current webmaster is willing to assume all responsibility for >> copyright and living-person privacy, I don't see why Rootsweb would >> rather >> delete accounts of probably deceased webmasters, rather than letting >> people >> adopt the content. > > Judy, I can't speak for Ancestry/RootsWeb, but copyrights are not a > responsibility that can be "assumed", and copyrighted contents of a > web site can not be "adopted". Copyright is a personal property right > and the exclusive rights of the copyright owner must be transferred in > writing, and/or by operation of law such as a will or the applicable > laws of intestate succession. > "The ownership of a copyright may be transferred in whole or in part > by any means of conveyance or by operation of law, and may be > bequeathed by will or pass as personal property by the applicable laws > of intestate succession." > > And while much of the content of genealogy web sites consists of facts > which are public domain and can not be copyrighted, RootsWeb/Ancestry > does not have staff to review every abandoned web site, page by page, > to determine what is or might be copyrighted and what is not. You or I > can search the Wayback Machine (archive.org) for abandoned sites/pages > and copy whatever public domain material they contain, but IMO, > Ancestry would be placing themselves in legal jeopardy by transferring > abandoned Freepages sites to whoever wanted them. > > Copyright Law of the United States (Title 17) > <https://www.copyright.gov/title17/> > "106. Exclusive rights in copyrighted works > "x x x the owner of copyright under this title [Title 17, sec. 106] > has the exclusive rights to do and to authorize any of the following: > "(1) to reproduce the copyrighted work in copies x x x" [i.e. to > publish.] > > > Pat A. > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives > https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/freepages-help > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > -- "The dog is a gentleman. I hope to go to his heaven, not man's." Mark Twain

After using the Wayback Machine to kelp recovery two very important, at least to my family lines, family sites I can testify that no one recording ever gets everything on a site. From my experience pictures seem to be the biggest loss. On 08/13/2018 08:17 AM, Patricia Geary wrote: > I have never requested that my sites be crawled. Genealogy Web Creations was > first crawled in 2006 and appears to have been crawled regularly since then. > So have some of the others. I think on some sites it is the luck of the draw > as to how much you can find. > > Pat > > -----Original Message----- > From: JFlorian [mailto:cageycat@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 4:26 AM > To: Freepages Web Sites <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: IGI Batch numbers > > The WayBack machine is NOT something automatically run across the > Internet. A webmaster has to request a site be crawled. So while a great > idea, finding a site there is not guaranteed. > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/freepages-help > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > -- "The dog is a gentleman. I hope to go to his heaven, not man's." Mark Twain

I've never asked for any of my sites to be recorded yet they seem to have been. On 08/13/2018 03:25 AM, JFlorian wrote: > The WayBack machine is NOT something automatically run across the > Internet. A webmaster has to request a site be crawled. So while a great > idea, finding a site there is not guaranteed. > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/freepages-help > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > -- "The dog is a gentleman. I hope to go to his heaven, not man's." Mark Twain

At 08:43 PM 8/12/2018, JFlorian wrote: >If a current webmaster is willing to assume all responsibility for >copyright and living-person privacy, I don't see why Rootsweb would rather >delete accounts of probably deceased webmasters, rather than letting people >adopt the content. Judy, I can't speak for Ancestry/RootsWeb, but copyrights are not a responsibility that can be "assumed", and copyrighted contents of a web site can not be "adopted". Copyright is a personal property right and the exclusive rights of the copyright owner must be transferred in writing, and/or by operation of law such as a will or the applicable laws of intestate succession. "The ownership of a copyright may be transferred in whole or in part by any means of conveyance or by operation of law, and may be bequeathed by will or pass as personal property by the applicable laws of intestate succession." And while much of the content of genealogy web sites consists of facts which are public domain and can not be copyrighted, RootsWeb/Ancestry does not have staff to review every abandoned web site, page by page, to determine what is or might be copyrighted and what is not. You or I can search the Wayback Machine (archive.org) for abandoned sites/pages and copy whatever public domain material they contain, but IMO, Ancestry would be placing themselves in legal jeopardy by transferring abandoned Freepages sites to whoever wanted them. Copyright Law of the United States (Title 17) <https://www.copyright.gov/title17/> "106. Exclusive rights in copyrighted works "x x x the owner of copyright under this title [Title 17, sec. 106] has the exclusive rights to do and to authorize any of the following: "(1) to reproduce the copyrighted work in copies x x x" [i.e. to publish.] Pat A.

I have never requested that my sites be crawled. Genealogy Web Creations was first crawled in 2006 and appears to have been crawled regularly since then. So have some of the others. I think on some sites it is the luck of the draw as to how much you can find. Pat -----Original Message----- From: JFlorian [mailto:cageycat@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 4:26 AM To: Freepages Web Sites <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: IGI Batch numbers The WayBack machine is NOT something automatically run across the Internet. A webmaster has to request a site be crawled. So while a great idea, finding a site there is not guaranteed.

The WayBack machine is NOT something automatically run across the Internet. A webmaster has to request a site be crawled. So while a great idea, finding a site there is not guaranteed.

Two aspects 1. I thought data folk put hosted sites on Rootsweb would always be available. So if originator is deceased we look at Wayback machine. Lot of map site I liked may not be recovered so I will look at wayback. 2. I have not heard from Hugh Wallis for some time. He did not tell me there were problems with his method using new FamilySearch and that sadly they had not adopted his method. There were ways of browsing their sites by batch numbers etc but I have not used for some time I do suggest https://www.familysearch.org/mapp for looking at parishes etc. PS whole site not working at moment Thank You from Ron Lankshear in NSW Awaiting Recovery http://sites.rootsweb.com/~lankshear

Pat A., If a current webmaster is willing to assume all responsibility for copyright and living-person privacy, I don't see why Rootsweb would rather delete accounts of probably deceased webmasters, rather than letting people adopt the content. Personally, I think RW should delay deletions for at least a year. After a year, open an adoption process. And if the original account holder or their family shows up in the next year after, they have the right to reclaim the site. Two years is fair when so many of us are old, sick, etc. In the meantime, I also think Staff at Rootsweb needs to crosspost to all Lists and Message Boards that any unclaimed websites risk being deleted, so there's more chance that webmasters or their families will see the notice. I posted to my county's List;; several webmasters there had not heard that they needed to ask for restoration.

At 05:27 PM 8/12/2018, the cohens wrote: >Someone certainly could create a webpage at freepages with links to >the wayback machine to make it easier to find important old sites. > >That is how I handled things on my backup site, I made a webpage that >linked to all the individual pages from my freepages site, in the >Wayback Machine at archive.org. I knew it would be hard for people to >get the long links straight if they were printing or emailing or >typing them out. > >Sites like this should be restored even thought the creater is >deceased, but I guess they want a live person to take part in the >restoration. Pretty crumby. They restored all the genweb sites they >could identify, these others that were not genweb but basic genealogy >resources should be grandfathered in as if that was the case with them >as well. I can't speak for Anne/Ancestry, but I have to point out that copyright law has to be taken into consideration. If a RW account owner is deceased, who can authorize a restoration of that site?. Obviously Ancestry/RootsWeb can not BECAUSE, the site owner is responsible for privacy and/or copyright violations. So ... you as a subsequent account owner must not only agree to the terms and conditions, but have authorization to address privacy and/or copyright violation claims for the account. This is not a gotcha, but is something done by all hosting sites. If they give YOU access to their servers to upload content, all they can do is tell you what is NOT acceptable content for upload. If you ignore their rules/guidelines then YOU are responsible for objections to the content of your site. As an aside, GenWeb sites, i.e. XXCounty were created by RootsWeb many years ago, were assigned to coordinators recommended by USGW, but the accounts remain the property of RootsWeb.com for assignment as they determine. As a general rule RootsWeb will defer to the State Coordinator when it comes to access by county coordinators. Pat A.