You are one of the fortunate with your site back I still await mine So I could see http://sites.rootsweb.com/~boyerlinks/ You use Filezilla per the instructions posted on Rootsweb to log in but you say you don't know the URL? But if you have PC on left and remote site on right you have it. On the left side of Filezilla should be your hard drive files on your PC ready to ftp to rootsweb. Buttons on menu in Filezilla can highlight files not already uploaded or which have been updated on your PC. If you want to change anything before you run Filezilla use your local editor to fix the code. Filezilla is not for fixing code it is for transferring files I gather you use Kompozer. I use Sharepoint Design. You could use Notepad+ and various other editors Thank You from Ron Lankshear Sydney NSW Awaiting Recovery http://sites.rootsweb.com/~lankshear On 20/08/2018 6:31 am, Neil Boyer wrote: > Can you imagine? I am still trying to make this go. In my left pane on > Filezilla, I have genealogy_html as one of many entries in the Local Site. > If I right click that line on the Local Site and upload, I get the same list > of folders on the right side as on the left. So far, so good, right? > > As I understand it, I should now go to one of my folders on the left side, > edit it with Kompozer or some other editor and save it. Then, I think, I > should right-click and upload it from the left side. Then, in Charles's > guidance, as I read it, I think, I should go to my browser and open my web > site and check it for accuracy. > > Here is where I am stalled. I don't have a URL for my site. How do I open > it? Did I skip something? > > Did I skip many things? The remote site is boyerlinks. Thanks again. Neil

Neil, this is your remote site http://sites.rootsweb.com/~boyerlinks/ Does it look like what you expect it to?? If you have set up your site as you have been directed here http://sites.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/publishing-your-sites.html What you should see in the left pane is your site on your computer. I cannot tell you what it should look like as I have no idea how it is set up. What you should see in the right pane is the actual list of files and folders that are currently on the server. Top right pane for remote site should show /boyerlinks/genealogy_html Under that would be the list of files and folders that make up your site. If you right click on the file name on the left hand pane and select upload, it will be uploaded to the server and replace the file that is already there if it has the same name. If it is a new page, then you should see it listed. Pat G -----Original Message----- From: Neil Boyer [mailto:naboyer@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 4:31 PM To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Cc: 'Neil A. Boyer ' <naboyer@comcast.net>; 'Johanna Misey Boyer ' <johannaboyer@hotmail.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]Still Fighting Filezilla Can you imagine? I am still trying to make this go. In my left pane on Filezilla, I have genealogy_html as one of many entries in the Local Site. If I right click that line on the Local Site and upload, I get the same list of folders on the right side as on the left. So far, so good, right? As I understand it, I should now go to one of my folders on the left side, edit it with Kompozer or some other editor and save it. Then, I think, I should right-click and upload it from the left side. Then, in Charles's guidance, as I read it, I think, I should go to my browser and open my web site and check it for accuracy. Here is where I am stalled. I don't have a URL for my site. How do I open it? Did I skip something? Did I skip many things? The remote site is boyerlinks. Thanks again. Neil _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/freepages-help Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I'm with Billie on this. Sure, you CAN make a CSS "solution" simulate a HTML table, but it's a lot more complicated and difficult -- both in the design and in the execution. It's too much like something Rube Goldberg would have devised; many intervening steps all have to work perfectly before the intended result is achieved. If a table format is the way to present the content, it would take a very good argument to convince me that direct and simpler isn't better. Now, I like CSS and use it. A lot! But to me it's still just an add-on to dress up presentation. Fancy paint on the car doesn't substitute for horsepower in the engine. Or, maybe, I just don't get it. What's the problem to be solved? -rt_/)

At 03:53 PM 8/19/2018, Derek Boddington wrote: >"...difficult if not impossible to make mobile friendly..." > >Thanks Pat. I could not agree more. Genealogy sites are generally full of >conventionally structured 'Pedigree charts', 'Ancestor Charts' etc. The >only way to display them properly is by the use of tables. Some of my >charts are nested tables four deep. I can't think how else to display them >in a meaningful and recognized way that can be easily viewed by an iPhone >user, (say). > >I can only hope that any visitor who is seriously interested in genealogy >research will take the trouble to find a PC with a decent sized monitor or >be prepared to do an awful lot of horizontal scrolling! If you are redoing your site as a whole to make it mobile-friendly, an option that would be particularly effective for pedigree charts would be to save them as PDFs and use your media queries for small screens to show a link to the pdf instead of the html page with nested tables. Your visitor could then print the pdf from their smartphone if the chart contains information they want to copy/investigate/incorporate into their own research. The thing about making tables mobile-friendly is that there is NOT ONE PERFECT METHOD OR ANSWER. There are many alternatives and the "right" one depends on the type of data contained in the table(s). Pat A.

Can you imagine? I am still trying to make this go. In my left pane on Filezilla, I have genealogy_html as one of many entries in the Local Site. If I right click that line on the Local Site and upload, I get the same list of folders on the right side as on the left. So far, so good, right? As I understand it, I should now go to one of my folders on the left side, edit it with Kompozer or some other editor and save it. Then, I think, I should right-click and upload it from the left side. Then, in Charles's guidance, as I read it, I think, I should go to my browser and open my web site and check it for accuracy. Here is where I am stalled. I don't have a URL for my site. How do I open it? Did I skip something? Did I skip many things? The remote site is boyerlinks. Thanks again. Neil

"...difficult if not impossible to make mobile friendly..." Thanks Pat. I could not agree more. Genealogy sites are generally full of conventionally structured 'Pedigree charts', 'Ancestor Charts' etc. The only way to display them properly is by the use of tables. Some of my charts are nested tables four deep. I can't think how else to display them in a meaningful and recognized way that can be easily viewed by an iPhone user, (say). I can only hope that any visitor who is seriously interested in genealogy research will take the trouble to find a PC with a decent sized monitor or be prepared to do an awful lot of horizontal scrolling! Derek Boddington -----Original Message----- From: Pat Asher <pjroots@att.net> Sent: 19 August 2018 19:00 To: Freepages Web Sites <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: Ext CSS tables At 01:20 PM 8/19/2018, Billie Walsh wrote: >I've been just sitting here watching and wondering: > >What's wrong with tables? > >I'm a big proponent of the K. I. S. S Principle. If the material in >question is best suited for a table format why not use one. Mobile-friendly has become the standard for user-friendly web sites. As a general rule, tables are used to display data in an organized way and the resulting multi-column tables are difficult if not impossible to make mobile-friendly. That said, while I am still working on converting all of my sites to make them mobile-friendly, genealogy sites are largely data oriented -- census data; birth, marriage and death data; cemetery indexes; etc. Many times the only concise way to display this type of data is using tables. So, even though my sites as a whole use a mobile-friendly design, I still use tables when necessary. And if a visitor is using a small screen device to do his/her genealogy research, s/he'll just have to slide the table around the screen to see what it contains ;-) Pat A. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/freepages-help Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Bill has it right: The URL in the "calling" link MUST ALWAYS agree with the URL (filename and location) of the called file. If there's a mismatch between the two, the link won't work. This is an immutable rule of the "a href" (linking) tag; see https://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_a_href.asp. The kind of called content doesn't matter; it can be a text file, another HTML page, a picture, or a PDF. For a file that needs to be updated frequently, you can go either of two, maybe three, ways: 1. Change the link every time to agree with the new filename; or 2. Change (or "save as") the filename to agree with the link; or 3. Create an intermediate page to update the URL each time the called file is updated and saved with a new name. Frankly, I think the second way is easier -- especially if the the file is linked from more than one place. -rt_/)

Absolutely nothing. Some information belongs in a table as far as I am concerned. And if I remember correctly, Judy is not making her site mobile friendly so what difference does it make. Tables are not really easy to make mobile friendly. I cheat, I use a Dreamweaver extension to convert them. See https://www.the-gearys.com/blackbird-designs/bd-chart-inventory.html And resize the browser window. Pat G ================= What's wrong with tables? =================

At 01:20 PM 8/19/2018, Billie Walsh wrote: >I've been just sitting here watching and wondering: > >What's wrong with tables? > >I'm a big proponent of the K. I. S. S Principle. If the material in >question is best suited for a table format why not use one. Mobile-friendly has become the standard for user-friendly web sites. As a general rule, tables are used to display data in an organized way and the resulting multi-column tables are difficult if not impossible to make mobile-friendly. That said, while I am still working on converting all of my sites to make them mobile-friendly, genealogy sites are largely data oriented -- census data; birth, marriage and death data; cemetery indexes; etc. Many times the only concise way to display this type of data is using tables. So, even though my sites as a whole use a mobile-friendly design, I still use tables when necessary. And if a visitor is using a small screen device to do his/her genealogy research, s/he'll just have to slide the table around the screen to see what it contains ;-) Pat A.

Judy, to me this is exactly the kind of information that belongs in a table. If you are having a hard time know which set of styles to apply to a table, name them something that means or describes what the style is for .3-column-table .2-col-table .4-column-table Pat -----Original Message----- From: JFlorian [mailto:cageycat@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 12:34 PM To: LIST_freepages-help@rootsweb.com <freepages-help@rootsweb.com>; Barry Carlson <barrycarlson@vodafone.co.nz> Subject: [FreeHelp]Ext CSS tables Barry, You did all those CSS tables, which I appreciate. But I'm having such trouble knowing which one to pick for each table. And I don't know how to adjust it as needed. Converting the tables has become a #1 irritant. I'm ready to remove tables from the CSS (into a new file) and leaving all my htlm tables alone. However, thought I'd ask if we can get one table in ext CSS, like the ones I prefer.... See these on the orginial pages http://sites.rootsweb.com/~pawashin//migration-biographies/ohio/jefferson-co -ohio/wash-natives1.htm http://sites.rootsweb.com/~pawashin//migration-biographies/ohio/jefferson-co -ohio/wash-natives2.htm

I just want the css-conversion pain to end, LOL. I'm not even half done and have a table heavy website. I got to tackle pictures too, which needs a new Ext CSS file I think. One good note: I am getting better with applying CSS, after years of help and years of struggle over it. Barry with his stylesheet, Pat G, Pat A, and others on the list keep teaching me. When I earn a C grade, let me know! LOL

I'd say tell them IF you don't want it, because the rest of us are advocating they restore all sites for deceased webmasters, e.g. everyone so nothing is lost. IF you tell them, then yours won't be left in the pile that they need to make decisions about. My 2 unauthorized cents.

I've been just sitting here watching and wondering: What's wrong with tables? I'm a big proponent of the K. I. S. S Principle. If the material in question is best suited for a table format why not use one. I admit, in the past tables were vastly over used. I used to put entire pages inside tables. There just wasn't any other way to get what I wanted. Now I can use "container" and "content" to get it. Times change and I changed with them. I haven't really been looking at what Barry has done to reinvent the table format with CSS but it seems to me to be way more complicated than just using a table. I guess what I'm really asking is, "just because it can be done does it really make sense to do it?" Remember - K. I. S. S. On 08/19/2018 11:33 AM, JFlorian wrote: > Barry, > > You did all those CSS tables, which I appreciate. But I'm having such > trouble knowing which one to pick for each table. And I don't know how to > adjust it as needed. Converting the tables has become a #1 irritant. I'm > ready to remove tables from the CSS (into a new file) and leaving all my > htlm tables alone. > > > However, thought I'd ask if we can get one table in ext CSS, like the ones > I prefer.... > > See these on the orginial pages > http://sites.rootsweb.com/~pawashin//migration-biographies/ohio/jefferson-co-ohio/wash-natives1.htm > > http://sites.rootsweb.com/~pawashin//migration-biographies/ohio/jefferson-co-ohio/wash-natives2.htm > > http://sites.rootsweb.com/~pawashin//migration-biographies/ohio/jefferson-co-ohio/wash-natives3.htm > > > What I like:: > Can add rows and columns as I need. > A whole column can be nearly empty (for future use, or intermittent use). > Cells are just the height of text, like Mary Jane Smith.. > Name cells just expand as needed. > If text is longer than the cell, it just drops to the next line etc. until > the text ends. > No margins or no big margins around text. > Outside border is thin lined, and not dark and bold. > Most tables can be 98 to 100% width of the content area. > > > Most of my tables are wide 100%, and extra long (ex. cemetery census). > > > Any ideas to give me hope ? LOL Don't want to still be converting pages > here when I'm 150 yrs old. > > Judy > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/freepages-help > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > -- "The dog is a gentleman. I hope to go to his heaven, not man's." Mark Twain

What happens to my site IF I never request it to be brought back? (I've not requested that it be brought back.)

Barry, You did all those CSS tables, which I appreciate. But I'm having such trouble knowing which one to pick for each table. And I don't know how to adjust it as needed. Converting the tables has become a #1 irritant. I'm ready to remove tables from the CSS (into a new file) and leaving all my htlm tables alone. However, thought I'd ask if we can get one table in ext CSS, like the ones I prefer.... See these on the orginial pages http://sites.rootsweb.com/~pawashin//migration-biographies/ohio/jefferson-co-ohio/wash-natives1.htm http://sites.rootsweb.com/~pawashin//migration-biographies/ohio/jefferson-co-ohio/wash-natives2.htm http://sites.rootsweb.com/~pawashin//migration-biographies/ohio/jefferson-co-ohio/wash-natives3.htm What I like:: Can add rows and columns as I need. A whole column can be nearly empty (for future use, or intermittent use). Cells are just the height of text, like Mary Jane Smith.. Name cells just expand as needed. If text is longer than the cell, it just drops to the next line etc. until the text ends. No margins or no big margins around text. Outside border is thin lined, and not dark and bold. Most tables can be 98 to 100% width of the content area. Most of my tables are wide 100%, and extra long (ex. cemetery census). Any ideas to give me hope ? LOL Don't want to still be converting pages here when I'm 150 yrs old. Judy

Congratulations Wilma. Perseverance pays off. Pat G -----Original Message----- From: Wilma Fields [mailto:wfields55@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 10:14 AM To: Freepages Web Sites <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: Accessing websites to update I have it fixed and working. Thanks to everyone for all their help. Appreciate it so much! Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2018, at 6:50 AM, Patricia Geary <pat@the-gearys.com> wrote: > > Any links to your pages need to be made in Notetab on your page. > Change the name of the link on YOUR page then publish/upload the new > corrected page AND the file in links to. Changing the file name using > FIlezilla only changes the name of the file itself on the server. It > does not change the path to the link on your page. > > Pat > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wilma Fields [mailto:wfields55@hotmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 11:20 PM > To: Freepages Web Sites <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: Accessing websites to update > > Yeah! I do have front page and one link updated!! Now any ideas why link > would not work for a .pdf file? This one needs updated monthly. Do I > need to change the url? For example my original file was named > 2017jul. The new file would be 2018aug. Now both files would have to > have the same name, so did I mess up when I renamed the original file > to 2018aug in the option in File Zilla, and if so, if I rename it to > the original name, would the link work again? Or is it easier to > change the url by changing the part with the year and month?

Please read this http://sites.rootsweb.com/~pasher/index.html And follow the instructions as to how to request your site be restored. Then keep checking to see if they have been restored. I have not seen anyone receive a message other than through this board that their site has been restored. Once it has been restored, then you can request a new password. For the new password you need to follow the instructions as to what is required. Pat G -----Original Message----- From: gtalexander [mailto:gtalexander@att.net] Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 10:47 AM To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Subject: [FreeHelp]Site Status Have trying to follow the progress of the changes to the system(s), but I am afraid I may have missed something.I had two sites and have not received any correspondence concerning the status of either. Is there something that I have to initiate to get these back up?Any help/advice/direction would be appreciated.George Alexander Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/freepages-help Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

BUT do NOT use Microsoft programs to create an html table. What a mess of code MS makes! And it is terrible to clean up the code.

Its called a table. Anything done in a spreadsheet can be done in a table. On 08/19/2018 06:18 AM, Bruce Coyne wrote: > Is it possible to show one in Freepages? > > Bruce > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/freepages-help > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > -- "The dog is a gentleman. I hope to go to his heaven, not man's." Mark Twain

Have trying to follow the progress of the changes to the system(s), but I am afraid I  may have missed something.I had two sites and have not received any correspondence concerning the status of either.  Is there something that I have to initiate to get these back up?Any help/advice/direction would be appreciated.George Alexander  Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone