Thanks Pat. They sure are symlinked I just did a small change and can see it on sites and freepages. I can only FTP using Sites. users.freepages  goes nowhere. Will sites.rootsweb remain as FTP etc? Problem with links on my banner menus is that I made them Absolute. I am looking at changing and simplifying so I can use relative. BTW the link at bottom of email to archive does not work Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/freepages-help https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/details?list_name=freepages-help Thank You from Ron Lankshear http://sites.rootsweb.com/~lankshear On 26/08/2018 12:32 am, Pat Asher wrote: > They are probably symlinking > freepages.rootsweb.com/~lankshear/ to > sites.rootsweb.com/~lankshear/ > which is what they did before when > freepages.rootsweb.com/~lankshear/genealogy/ was > symlinked to > freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~lankshear/ so > it appeared you had separate URLs for each of > your account subdirectories, if you chose to use > them. > > Filezilla connects via FTP instead of HTTP, and > an FTP address may be somewhat different. For > example, the old FTP address for Freepages was > users.freepages.rootsweb.com. Until they > finalize the new URLs for Freepages, I wouldn't > change page links or your FTP settings. I am > sure Anne will let us know when they have > everything in place.

If you want to cells to be a certain width, then you need to leave them or add a col group with the widths specified. pat -----Original Message----- From: JFlorian [mailto:cageycat@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 4:20 PM To: Freepages Web Sites <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: External CSS and valign="top" Pat, Should I leave or remove the cell widths on the tables where I use tablea ? J _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=vTLvOosCKZ2PMkoyFSvAgMkhc9mzf1JyxwgiRx1lQLc&s=fVjR7LwcvHbxl9AUicl9AVnwuO8eX0WBG8QUxyY1ue0&e= Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/freepages-help Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=vTLvOosCKZ2PMkoyFSvAgMkhc9mzf1JyxwgiRx1lQLc&s=ETE-c-2ncX-ZP4qwIEZ2wFEQpEnUn8nY9fmViiuuU7w&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=vTLvOosCKZ2PMkoyFSvAgMkhc9mzf1JyxwgiRx1lQLc&s=FYfxw2_dysETMRqDqvhxwHWct0WGvZ2e7HMfF7PdScE&e= Rootsweb Blog: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rootsweb.blog&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=vTLvOosCKZ2PMkoyFSvAgMkhc9mzf1JyxwgiRx1lQLc&s=7YXD5Nn30Xtd_WDxSQRprGy7Tq-AeRmY0OQEVtkf2fE&e= RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Not sure how well this works as the table width is specified in percentage and the cells in pixels. And I assume this will reside inside a container with a specified width. http://sites.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/judy-cemetery-table.html Barry is better at css than I am but just cleaning the tables themselves is a massive job. Been there done that on another site but that was many years ago. This is an example of a page I did for DeWitt County cemeteries https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dewitt.illinoisgenweb.org_cemetery-2Dindex.htm&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=VOHt4b3k88Q5ISS-hNNgvjHy0bZbOk7-GhtWDircAvU&s=vWFRt2KiRWHL5IGGKbw5cX1VZpzL-k7ra1R4IEhuUXc&e= The basic layout of this one is styled by the styles listed below BUT it has been made mobile friendly so you would need to ignore the other source styles that show as part of that table. /*==================== left aligned info tables ===================== */ .lftlayout { border-collapse: collapse; caption-side: top; border: 1px solid #C0C0C0; font-size: .9em; } .lftlayout th { padding: 10px; vertical-align: top; text-align: left; border: 1px solid #C0C0C0; } .lftlayout td { padding: 5px; vertical-align: top; text-align: left; border: 1px solid #C0C0C0; } Pat -----Original Message----- From: JFlorian [mailto:cageycat@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 4:08 PM To: Freepages Web Sites <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: External CSS and valign="top" grrrrr! I used the template and only added your 4-col table. It looked fine. I thought I'd be lazy and just add the tablea tag <...table class="tablea"> to replace that line in the original. It wasn't perfect. Cleaned up the html more and it's getting better. I'll try this for the other monsters. Thank you. Judy _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=VOHt4b3k88Q5ISS-hNNgvjHy0bZbOk7-GhtWDircAvU&s=d5fRfwIq1QCIx7PuYRMY9Mry1KBTAoWHSEQPJWfoa-0&e= Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/freepages-help Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=VOHt4b3k88Q5ISS-hNNgvjHy0bZbOk7-GhtWDircAvU&s=u0sZ1lQ2_LfR1fEQHQmnDdgVi2grEOuiNrdjQAYs71Y&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=VOHt4b3k88Q5ISS-hNNgvjHy0bZbOk7-GhtWDircAvU&s=bGcIQyuHkxd-wqIxpMTaFmE9rQUbOO0OrCBbLZmcTy8&e= Rootsweb Blog: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rootsweb.blog&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=VOHt4b3k88Q5ISS-hNNgvjHy0bZbOk7-GhtWDircAvU&s=eAiwI-NsH2pPwPie29nS8Nfjg6iOYgHpNCTMk7DKMMs&e= RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Pat, Should I leave or remove the cell widths on the tables where I use tablea ? J

grrrrr! I used the template and only added your 4-col table. It looked fine. I thought I'd be lazy and just add the tablea tag <...table class="tablea"> to replace that line in the original. It wasn't perfect. Cleaned up the html more and it's getting better. I'll try this for the other monsters. Thank you. Judy

Pat, Here is an example of a long table -- I haven't even tried to tackle this yet since none of the smaller tables are working rght. http://sites.rootsweb.com/~pawashin//cemetery/ Judy

Judy, I suppose you could do something like this http://sites.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/judy-table-example2.html where you add the width of the cells to the table markup. And any styling that would be the same would be in the style sheet for .tablea Pat G -----Original Message----- From: JFlorian [mailto:cageycat@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 1:52 PM To: Freepages Web Sites <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: External CSS and valign="top" Yes, thin, single text cells that can expand if text needs a 2nd line. I previously named the triple border page layout as table1 and table2 in CSS and the tag in html The only other table is table#search in the CSS Barry did. The html.for that is in an _include. I temporarily moved all of Barry's tables to a separate file until I get the problem figured out. Just noticed table.histPops is still in the CSS. I can't see the problem, especially with being new to Ext CSS. Ideally, it would help me if I had some Ext CSS "Tablea" (Table A) for skinny multiple cells at 100% width so I can do search-replace on table and change them all to tablea. At least I hope so because I'm to the point that I'm just going to copy every table to the new pages and let the tables look funky. :-( I like your table example or this https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.w3schools.com_html_ tryit.asp-3Ffilename-3Dtryhtml-5Ftable-5Fheadings-5Fleft&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9K KWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=HdJDugsiH4NRj UdhDUcB8YWbc-91Xl-41PSefDXYVzw&s=943mvbb-Gyhx9qo-OFuhb5g3jToKJqYt3V9AD4KXSqE &e= Judy _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=QFpEKXKk2zJW4HaNuiK_FPuwiSdgfeVVAR3Q9AJIa-E&s=bhucqpcjj76JFqnldHqf-LF3YZX_BGOoOgbp3ftbOlc&e= Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/freepages-help Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=QFpEKXKk2zJW4HaNuiK_FPuwiSdgfeVVAR3Q9AJIa-E&s=LrMEX8l8Q3q3F468G4Ls9xJaZ3mCpLhyO9UcdSzkUFI&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=QFpEKXKk2zJW4HaNuiK_FPuwiSdgfeVVAR3Q9AJIa-E&s=2-hiLqeHuNO-ML8pAEH_9eugBhnfoWgEN8uTtbOdIsM&e= Rootsweb Blog: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rootsweb.blog&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=QFpEKXKk2zJW4HaNuiK_FPuwiSdgfeVVAR3Q9AJIa-E&s=XGiCp60e5mRCKfDDgfidtkkFWKPDlw1fLeJEACg-OfI&e= RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

If each cell is going to have the exact same amount of text in it (no more than one line, then yes I suppose you can skip it. If not, then you need the vertical align so that all text is at the top rather than the default of the middle. Which is why it is easier for me to use css but then I have very few tables. http://sites.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/judy-table-example.html This is NOT how I would normally style tables. It is just an example of how it would look. Pat -----Original Message----- From: JFlorian [mailto:cageycat@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 1:57 PM To: Freepages Web Sites <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: External CSS and valign="top" So can I zap the 300+ instances of valign="top" on existing tables? I realize middle is default but it's already displaying as middle anyway.

So can I zap the 300+ instances of valign="top" on existing tables? I realize middle is default but it's already displaying as middle anyway.

Yes, thin, single text cells that can expand if text needs a 2nd line. I previously named the triple border page layout as table1 and table2 in CSS and the tag in html The only other table is table#search in the CSS Barry did. The html.for that is in an _include. I temporarily moved all of Barry's tables to a separate file until I get the problem figured out. Just noticed table.histPops is still in the CSS. I can't see the problem, especially with being new to Ext CSS. Ideally, it would help me if I had some Ext CSS "Tablea" (Table A) for skinny multiple cells at 100% width so I can do search-replace on table and change them all to tablea. At least I hope so because I'm to the point that I'm just going to copy every table to the new pages and let the tables look funky. :-( I like your table example or this https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.w3schools.com_html_tryit.asp-3Ffilename-3Dtryhtml-5Ftable-5Fheadings-5Fleft&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=HdJDugsiH4NRjUdhDUcB8YWbc-91Xl-41PSefDXYVzw&s=943mvbb-Gyhx9qo-OFuhb5g3jToKJqYt3V9AD4KXSqE&e= Judy

Message-ID: <0C02CE9FE2AE46099E9728AC309D923F@Rt2013PC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What you're bumping up against is the "literality" of computers. "John O. Jones" is not identical to "John Jones". This is a problem I face in my Taylor Family Genes site; it has a sub-directory devoted to user-submitted family trees, https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.TaylorFamilyGenes.info_fam-2Dtrees&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=ylzZ5g8rHKaN_O47rHEvpvhn0S6H9M-Hp3zOqGh7kuc&s=LPKirS4c_JxYmLsS_evU8JcG6Zhf0oAQAmJNfuCGkYY&e=. To facilitate search-engine performance, I edit name and date information to put it in standardized form. (Submitters use too many different conventions.) I don't think you should change original documents to make them fit the search engine. But you could add name-varaint labels to the docs to make them findable. Sort of like putting "keywords" in a meta tag. If each document is in a separate file (and then "included"), you could you could use meta tags in the head section to help the search engine. Your labels wold not be visible on the page but they would render the file findable. -rt_/) ---------------- Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 16:40:46 -0600 From: "Ralph Taylor" <rt-sails@comcast.net> Subject: [FreeHelp]Re: Identifying People for Site Searches To: <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Identifying People for Site Searches Message-ID: <0C02CE9FE2AE46099E9728AC309D923F@Rt2013PC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What you're bumping up against is the "literality" of computers. "John O. Jones" is not identical to "John Jones". This is a problem I face in my Taylor Family Genes site; it has a sub-directory devoted to user-submitted family trees, https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.TaylorFamilyGenes.info_fam-2Dtrees&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=ylzZ5g8rHKaN_O47rHEvpvhn0S6H9M-Hp3zOqGh7kuc&s=LPKirS4c_JxYmLsS_evU8JcG6Zhf0oAQAmJNfuCGkYY&e=. To facilitate search-engine performance, I edit name and date information to put it in standardized form. (Submitters use too many different conventions.) I don't think you should change original documents to make them fit the search engine. But you could add name-varaint labels to the docs to make them findable. Sort of like putting "keywords" in a meta tag. If each document is in a separate file (and then "included"), you could you could use meta tags in the head section to help the search engine. Your labels wold not be visible on the page but they would render the file findable. -rt_/) ----------------------------- Ralph's answer came the closest. I was asking about searches done from within my site, not searching the whole Internet with Google, Yahoo, etc. search engines. I had tried searching for data in Tags, including Meta tags, but his reply inspired me to do more research, and sure enough FreeFind's indexing of a site does look at terms listed in a <Meta name=keywords statement. That's the best solution even if Google, Yahoo & Bing now ignore keywords and Google even penalizes you if it thinks you are misusing keywords. But FreeFind uses them just the way I want. Thanks Ralph for inspiring me to take a closer look at how FreeFind's spider actually works.

>Filezilla FTP works for me on "sites". I was having problems and read >http://sites.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/publishing-your-sites.html >and realised I needed to change my new password to agree with rules >that Pat laid out. >But I cannot filezilla to the old "freepages". >So it looks like there are now two versions of my pages on different domains? >What is the plan? The domain is the same, i.e. rootsweb.com, but they are working on bringing back the various subdirectories (symlinked to sub-domains) at Freepages (history_html, family_html, misc_html, etc.) They are probably symlinking freepages.rootsweb.com/~lankshear/ to sites.rootsweb.com/~lankshear/ which is what they did before when freepages.rootsweb.com/~lankshear/genealogy/ was symlinked to freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~lankshear/ so it appeared you had separate URLs for each of your account subdirectories, if you chose to use them. Filezilla connects via FTP instead of HTTP, and an FTP address may be somewhat different. For example, the old FTP address for Freepages was users.freepages.rootsweb.com. Until they finalize the new URLs for Freepages, I wouldn't change page links or your FTP settings. I am sure Anne will let us know when they have everything in place. Pat Asher

Is this what you want it to look like? http://sites.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/judy-table-example.html <.....table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" border="1px"style="width:100%"> With the cells set at a width of 50%. Pat -----Original Message----- From: JFlorian [mailto:cageycat@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 9:13 AM To: LIST_freepages-help@rootsweb.com <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]External CSS and valign="top" Still having trouble with tables. I stripped out padding but the table is still fatty-celled with default (I read at W3 schools) of center, which is not what I want. And do tables need valign="top" or can I remove those? Lastly, if I just get the tables copied to new pages, can I *easily* come back later to get the tables to stop being fatty-celled? Judy _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=opzDuu5_ndGGmUfa_3OK5q6FT51s6AIgGEE8BrHdE74&s=wvDGKjfkGYZFKsiGfgqJiy4rK95IKz2IZxcK3aFCLB0&e= Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/freepages-help Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=opzDuu5_ndGGmUfa_3OK5q6FT51s6AIgGEE8BrHdE74&s=sSDYL3B7eu8m6-RXigZs0bd1F9vCGZY61F-5KzkdPow&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=opzDuu5_ndGGmUfa_3OK5q6FT51s6AIgGEE8BrHdE74&s=1STlrCl1TBKRJ8RjmiWzy3Aml5iJk9nYqwhW2Whnm-8&e= Rootsweb Blog: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rootsweb.blog&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=opzDuu5_ndGGmUfa_3OK5q6FT51s6AIgGEE8BrHdE74&s=vlm1ENb2UDmNCD4rqJGeDTtEGYqUUlpiC_ixlOjKxs0&e= RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Judy, check your style sheet and make sure you don't have default styles for your tables besides the specialized ones. Pat -----Original Message----- From: JFlorian [mailto:cageycat@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 9:13 AM To: LIST_freepages-help@rootsweb.com <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Subject: [FreeHelp]External CSS and valign="top" Still having trouble with tables. I stripped out padding but the table is still fatty-celled with default (I read at W3 schools) of center, which is not what I want. And do tables need valign="top" or can I remove those? Lastly, if I just get the tables copied to new pages, can I *easily* come back later to get the tables to stop being fatty-celled? Judy _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=5yHl-OdzVw4Rffveu11d5qsRwoMxoft1B2EZ-LZJ8L8&s=uZMeo0_lbXhv73DxBkFARHjvNc3EfkQqcx9gVi0h4Mc&e= Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/freepages-help Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=5yHl-OdzVw4Rffveu11d5qsRwoMxoft1B2EZ-LZJ8L8&s=nQtGmepUW_q3uadNhAi0wvksjX5Ibu8RLbbvKSYimCc&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=5yHl-OdzVw4Rffveu11d5qsRwoMxoft1B2EZ-LZJ8L8&s=LCIccbTm4WYVZPBZKopMB4RFSttN6BU0i5vG10fSlDM&e= Rootsweb Blog: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rootsweb.blog&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=5yHl-OdzVw4Rffveu11d5qsRwoMxoft1B2EZ-LZJ8L8&s=EIyeAes3DWTKWRw9bR6hzI5NDb0wQ2_VJpjaw7S4zGM&e= RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Still having trouble with tables. I stripped out padding but the table is still fatty-celled with default (I read at W3 schools) of center, which is not what I want. And do tables need valign="top" or can I remove those? Lastly, if I just get the tables copied to new pages, can I *easily* come back later to get the tables to stop being fatty-celled? Judy

Hi Neil, I've realized there is a really simple way you can check whether the file you are editing is the one you are uploading. 1. Refresh the view in both panes. (Either F5, View>Refresh, or click the icon at the top that looks like two little green snakes chasing each other in a circle.) 2. Note the exact size of your index.html file in the Filesize column of the left pane. 3. Add one character to your index.html file - can be just a space somewhere, and then save the file. 4. Refresh the view again. 5. Check that the size of index.html in the left pane increased by one. If so, you are uploading the file you are editing. If not, you need to navigate to the correct place in either Kompozer or Filezilla. I can't tell you which one because I don't know your file structure or which copy you really want to edit and upload. You can do a similar comparison between the left and right panes before and after uploading. However, the file sizes on the two sides may not be the same due to the way different operating systems account for file size. An increase of one character on the left should produce an increase on the right, but not always by exactly one. For example, I see a difference in reported file sizes between the left and right pane of several thousand bytes for an identical file in my site! Once you get this sorted out, and before you upload anything, stop and think hard about what you really want to do. For example, is the remote copy of index.html more recent than the local copy? If so, you may want to download it before you edit and upload. Do you have a copy of all your local site files on a flash drive? If not, stop and make that so, being sure you copy to the flash drive from the correct directory. If you have multiple local copies of your site I would back each of them up to a flash drive just in case you have an irreplaceable something in one of the local copies. Ruff's obit, for example? Remember that just as you overwrite remote files when you upload, you overwrite local files when you download. The same ideas apply to all of your site files. Only you can make these sorts of decisions. Best regards, -- Charlie Carothers

All links working today although the side bar ones weren't yesterday! Interesting to see that the URL is freepages.rootsweb.com There is hope yet for my site :) Regards,  Ann McClean ==================== CAWTHORN, SCOTT,  & DeSILVA PALMER Family History Pages: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cawthorn/ ================== temporarily hosted at: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.annmcclean.co.nf_&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=AGsq94QXfKqnOmeiylQOdyiSx1pxsPac8QlHnLzZS9o&m=JAUktNuLdDlbQlwi_K-tzA6fXJnISWUlOCK13Yn7cg0&s=EWAYRVqbvk7zs922GOsDVmAo8oBLEwdSn_Dw1wgCQH4&e= ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 24/08/2018 17:47, Jean McCarthy via FREEPAGES-HELP wrote: > Hi. > > My website has been up and running for a couple of weeks or so although not > being picked up by search engines yet. > > However, This last couple of days all the links within my website that take > the visitor to the various pages have stopped working for some reason. > > Any help or advice please? > > Many thanks in advance. > > Jean McCarthy nee Moore > > New URL: http://sites.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/ >

Thank you http://sites.rootsweb.com/~lankshear/ appeared back yesterday and also the original http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~lankshear/genealogy/ I use SSI for navigation headers and sidebars as in <!--#include virtual="/~lankshear/_includes/lankshear-navleft.htm" And for consistency across folders I coded it all with direct links to the pages as in <li><a TITLE="Lankshear - sources used in Research" HREF="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/Lankshear/index.htm">LANKSHEAR</a></li> So the SSI fails when it links to freepages as that is a different domain to "sites" Did I hear that "sites" was temporary and that "freepages" would return? Should I convert my freepages links to "sites" or is there another way to handle that HREF across folders? Filezilla FTP works for me on "sites". I was having problems and read http://sites.rootsweb.com/~gearyfamily/publishing-your-sites.html and realised I needed to change my new password to agree with rules that Pat laid out. But I cannot filezilla to the old "freepages". So it looks like there are now two versions of my pages on different domains? What is the plan? from Ron Lankshear

I don't get "float" and "center". The float property has four possible values: 1. left, 2. right, 3. none, and 4. inherit. You can float an element to the left or to the right; you can float it not float it at all; or you can have the float inherited (left, right or none). What float accomplishes is to free up vertical space and allow other following content to flow into the freed space. Say, you want a picture on the left and a paragraph beside it on its right; float can do that. Float doesn't include centering; that's left to "align". (The W3C page on align seems misleading.) You can, of course, center-align the content of floated elements. To center-align text within a floated element, include the property text-align: center. And, you really don't need CSS to do in two steps what you can do with HTML in one step. To center an image, I use <.p align=center> or <.div align=center>, followed by the image tag and then closed. This centers both image and text within the element. To do the same thing with CSS, I'd have to set up a class with the CSS properties and then call the class to invoke the properties. -rt_/)

At 06:52 PM 8/24/2018, Charles Carothers wrote: >Forgot to say also to Neil that index.html *must *be in the genealogy_html >directory on the host side at least. (In order to preserve sanity, it needs >to be there on the local side as well. :-)) If it's not there on the host >side, it won't be found. This could very well be why the browser brings up >the older copy of the file. Assuming you are using a Windows OS, There is one other thing that has not been mentioned, but can drive webmasters nuts - and that is caching by your browser. If you have uploaded a revised version of a page to the server, and you are not seeing the updated version, try CTRL+F5 in your browser. A browser can be Internet Explorer, Chrome, Firefox, etc. F5 does a standard reload. Ctrl+F5 forces your browser to ignore your cache and download the page (that you might have updated) from the server so you see what is actually residing on the server. Pat A.