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On Thursday, January 06, 2011 5:21 AM (UTC+13) Sheri wrote:- > > I am trying to help get a county ready. She used one of Pat's templates > and as far as I can see it is all in order. The page actually presents > fine in firefox and IE. It is only Chrome that the left navigation is > wrong. I have gone over it til I'm blind and I can't find the problem. > I know things look different in Chrome on some pages, but I don't think > the problem should be just color in one section. If someone could take a > look in Chrome and see if it's fixable I would appreciate it. I am sure I > am missing something. > It only appears to be in this section: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~inwashtp/obits/index.htm > ......................... Sheri The page is rendering identically in Chrome 9, Firefox 4.0 Beta 8, Opera 11, Safari 5 and IE6 thru IE9. Barry

At 04:49 PM 1/5/2011, J.A. Florian wrote: >When I took over a website, I left most of the filenames as the old >webmaster had them. But, I was looking through Google Webmaster Tools' >reports for my site and saw what is being picked up by keywords and feel I >should re-name some of those old pages. > >For example, one file was named: epkrnmap so the contents aren't easily >understood as being "east_pike_run_township_map" > >I know my filenames would be longer, but I think changing them now would >make it easier for visitors to find the atlas / township maps. > >I thought I could re-name each one to its true name and upload those as new >pages. > >Should I leave the old files/filenames/pages online for a few months until >the new_name_files get indexed into Google? Or will that be read as >duplicate content/dup pages? > >What is the best way to handle this issue? ========== >Judy, rather than underscroes, I would use hyphens to separate your >words. Why! if you website underline links in the body copy, users >can be confused when they see a page name that has underscores, >which show up right next to and just above the underline. Not sure >if this is still true but east_pike_run_township_map would be see as >all one word while east-pike-run-township-map would be seen as separate words. If you had the ability to create a permanent 301 redirect for each of the file names you changed, it would be no problem. The browser would just be redirected to the new file name and Google would pick it up fairly quickly. What I did on the DeWitt County Web site when I first redid it was go ahead and make the change in file names, making sure the links to the pages had to correct url and wait for Google to pick them up. I did not leave the old file up. If you rename the pages in FP, the links to those pages should be corrected on other pages. pat

When I took over a website, I left most of the filenames as the old webmaster had them. But, I was looking through Google Webmaster Tools' reports for my site and saw what is being picked up by keywords and feel I should re-name some of those old pages. For example, one file was named: epkrnmap so the contents aren't easily understood as being "east_pike_run_township_map" I know my filenames would be longer, but I think changing them now would make it easier for visitors to find the atlas / township maps. I thought I could re-name each one to its true name and upload those as new pages. Should I leave the old files/filenames/pages online for a few months until the new_name_files get indexed into Google? Or will that be read as duplicate content/dup pages? What is the best way to handle this issue? Judy

Judy, I had to move pages recently and was in a similar situation. Should I move them and break bookmarks? I left the original pages where they were but made new ones, with new names and placed the new ones in new directories. On the old pages, I put a notice that the page had moved, a link to the new page and created a meta tag redirect to automatically forward the old page to the new one in 10 secs. If your pages have been indexed, you certainly don't want to lose that. Possibly a redirect will work. Lorrie On 01/05/11 15:49, J.A. Florian wrote: > When I took over a website, I left most of the filenames as the old > webmaster had them. But, I was looking through Google Webmaster Tools' > reports for my site and saw what is being picked up by keywords and feel I > should re-name some of those old pages. > > For example, one file was named: epkrnmap so the contents aren't easily > understood as being "east_pike_run_township_map" > > I know my filenames would be longer, but I think changing them now would > make it easier for visitors to find the atlas / township maps. > > I thought I could re-name each one to its true name and upload those as new > pages. > > Should I leave the old files/filenames/pages online for a few months until > the new_name_files get indexed into Google? Or will that be read as > duplicate content/dup pages? > > What is the best way to handle this issue? > > Judy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

At 01:30 PM 1/5/2011, Barry Carlson wrote: >The page is rendering identically in Chrome 9, Firefox 4.0 Beta 8, Opera 11, >Safari 5 and IE6 thru IE9. ============ It was the visited link and it has been fixed.

At 11:21 AM 1/5/2011, Sheri Bush wrote: >I am trying to help get a county ready. She used one of Pat's >templates and as far as I can see it is all in order. The page >actually presents fine in firefox and IE. It is only Chrome that >the left navigation is wrong. I have gone over it til I'm blind and >I can't find the problem. I know things look different in Chrome >on some pages, but I don't think the problem should be just color in >one section. If someone could take a look in Chrome and see if it's >fixable I would appreciate it. I am sure I am missing something. >It only appears to be in this section: >http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~inwashtp/obits/index.htm > >Thank you. > >Sheri aka. FamilyTwigs >Indiana Trails To The Past >Jackson County/INTTTP > Sheri, The page looks identical in Safari, Chrome, Firefox and IE 7, using Windows XP. Chas.

At 11:21 AM 1/5/2011, Sheri Bush wrote: >I am trying to help get a county ready. She used one of Pat's >templates and as far as I can see it is all in order. The page >actually presents fine in firefox and IE. It is only Chrome that >the left navigation is wrong. I have gone over it til I'm blind and >I can't find the problem. I know things look different in Chrome >on some pages, but I don't think the problem should be just color in >one section. If someone could take a look in Chrome and see if it's >fixable I would appreciate it. I am sure I am missing something. >It only appears to be in this section: >http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~inwashtp/obits/index.htm ============ I'm looking at them side by side and they look the same to me - color wise that is. What is supposed to be wrong. Of course, it may just be my tired old eyes not really seeing. pat

I am trying to help get a county ready. She used one of Pat's templates and as far as I can see it is all in order. The page actually presents fine in firefox and IE. It is only Chrome that the left navigation is wrong. I have gone over it til I'm blind and I can't find the problem. I know things look different in Chrome on some pages, but I don't think the problem should be just color in one section. If someone could take a look in Chrome and see if it's fixable I would appreciate it. I am sure I am missing something. It only appears to be in this section: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~inwashtp/obits/index.htm Thank you. Sheri aka. FamilyTwigs Indiana Trails To The Past Jackson County/INTTTP

I tried it in five different browsers and couldn't see any real issue. I don't have "Chrome" but did use Chromium, the Linux version of "Chrome". On 01/05/2011 10:21 AM, Sheri Bush wrote: > I am trying to help get a county ready. She used one of Pat's templates and as far as I can see it is all in order. The page actually presents fine in firefox and IE. It is only Chrome that the left navigation is wrong. I have gone over it til I'm blind and I can't find the problem. I know things look different in Chrome on some pages, but I don't think the problem should be just color in one section. If someone could take a look in Chrome and see if it's fixable I would appreciate it. I am sure I am missing something. > It only appears to be in this section: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~inwashtp/obits/index.htm > > Thank you. > > Sheri aka. FamilyTwigs > Indiana Trails To The Past > Jackson County/INTTTP > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- "A good moral character is the first essential in a man." George Washington _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

Yes, they will. This is just part of their features: a.. Word index -- shows every word used on your site a.. PDF indexing -- include your PDF files in your search results a.. Additional formats -- Word, PowerPoint, OpenOffice, OpenDocument and more I recently switched to them as a .pdf file and it reads it really well! Patti Vance Hays ~ You live as long as you are remembered ~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheri Bush" <mytwigs@hotmail.com> To: <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 3:33 PM Subject: [FreeHelp] Freefind and Text Files > > Does anyone know if Freefind will read and search text files? > > Thank you. > > Sheri aka. FamilyTwigs > Indiana Trails To The Past > Jackson County/INTTTP > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know if Freefind will read and search text files? Thank you. Sheri aka. FamilyTwigs Indiana Trails To The Past Jackson County/INTTTP

unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: <freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com> To: <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:00 AM Subject: FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 6, Issue 1 > > > When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to > which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. > Remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the > message subject to which you are replying. > ***FREEPAGES HELP & FAQ*** > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/FAQ/fpindex.html > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: FrontPage 2003 and Frame pages (Banner and Contents) > (J.A. Florian) > 2. Re: FrontPage 2003 and Frame pages (Banner and Contents) > (Patricia Geary) > 3. Re: FrontPage 2003 and Frame pages (Banner and Contents) > (Patricia Geary) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 07:57:59 -0500 > From: "J.A. Florian" <cageycat@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] FrontPage 2003 and Frame pages (Banner and > Contents) > To: Blair LeMire <lemirefh@gmail.com>, Pat Geary <pat@the-gearys.com> > Cc: FREEPAGES-HELP@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <AANLkTikn+_TscfvxJjJDKyE1j505EoWom808tAwJE8FR@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Blair, > > I'm not very experienced but what I've read on this List is something like > the Rootsweb banners on top look for the closed head <.../head> and > opening > body tag </...body> Likewise, the bottom banner looks for the closed > body > <.../body> and closed <.../html> tag. When the RW server reads those > tags or triggers, it inserts the banner right after. For the same > reasons, > when one or some of those tags are missing the Rootsweb banners seem to > "go > anywhere", where Rootsweb's code tries to figure out the right place. Or, > sometimes when a webmaster used two closing tags as duplicates, then > Rootsweb shows double banners where the error occurred whether on top or > bottom. > > Since frames rely on each frame having its own complete html (from open to > close of the html tag and the body tag), the Rootsweb banner will show in > every frame. Possibly Rootsweb wasn't using these banners when you did > your > last website using frames? > > I've also read on this list that, generally in web design, frames are not > used as much now and are undesirable--mostly because there are other ways > using html coding or CSS to achieve what you want to do, and because > frames > cause troubles for viewing. I don't know enough on this topic to say > more, > but the experts on this list can explain the issues with frames very well. > > I will say that Pat Greary has made fabulous templates in CSS that she has > offered (free) to webmasters here. But this morning, I can't find her > link > to the templates. I'm sure if she isn't busy on this holiday weekend that > she'll post her links for you. I was not convinced about using CSS, but > I've never had problems with Pat's templates and can see there's a big > difference in how CSS looks compared to my other basic html pages. The > only > reason I haven't switched all my old pages to her CSS page is that I lack > the time and energy to re-do all my old/older pages, and as well, I still > don't understand much CSS to start adding to or changing Pat's template. > But I wish all my older pages were done with Pat's template. So do look > into this; it may save you time and headaches encountered with using > frames. > > Judy > > On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Blair LeMire <lemirefh@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sorry if I'm describing things wrong but I'm new to webpage design. >> >> Ok here it goes...I'm working on a webpage using FrontPage 2003 and my >> layout uses frames. one window on top (header), one window to the left >> Contents) and a main window on the right (my family history stuff). >> Each window is an individual html file. When I upload it to my server >> space I get this: >> >> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lemirefh/the_lemire_family_tree_index.htm >> . >> >> Each window has the hosted by rootsweb and Leaning centers at >> Ancestry.com links in it which is fine of course but I was hoping to >> only have it show up on the bottom of the main window on the right. >> This worked previously when I had a webpage with only one window. Can >> I have the Roots links only show up in the main window on the right? >> >> Thanks for any help, >> Blair LeMire >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:24:12 -0500 > From: Patricia Geary <patgeary@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] FrontPage 2003 and Frame pages (Banner and > Contents) > To: Blair LeMire <lemirefh@gmail.com>, FREEPAGES-HELP@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <201012311324.oBVDOFMq022334@mail.rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 01:11 AM 12/31/2010, Blair LeMire wrote: >>http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lemirefh/the_lemire_family_tree_index.htm. >> >>Each window has the hosted by rootsweb and Leaning centers at >>Ancestry.com links in it which is fine of course but I was hoping to >>only have it show up on the bottom of the main window on the right. >>This worked previously when I had a webpage with only one window. Can >>I have the Roots links only show up in the main window on the right? > ============ > That is one of the main problems with using frames on a website at > RootsWeb among other things. Since you are using Fp2003, you have the > ability to use a Dynamic Web Template (DWT). You might be interested > in reading this article on Using Frames and converting to a DWT. > > http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/frames/framed-website.html > > Pat > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:44:53 -0500 > From: Patricia Geary <patgeary@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] FrontPage 2003 and Frame pages (Banner and > Contents) > To: FREEPAGES-HELP@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <201012311344.oBVDisWo029105@mail.rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 07:57 AM 12/31/2010, J.A. Florian wrote: >>I will say that Pat Greary has made fabulous templates in CSS that >>she has offered (free) to webmasters here. But this morning, I >>can't find her link to the templates. I'm sure if she isn't busy on >>this holiday weekend that she'll post her links for you. I was not >>convinced about using CSS, but I've never had problems with Pat's >>templates and can see there's a big difference in how CSS looks >>compared to my other basic html pages. The only reason I haven't >>switched all my old pages to her CSS page is that I lack the time >>and energy to re-do all my old/older pages, and as well, I still >>don't understand much CSS to start adding to or changing Pat's >>template. But I wish all my older pages were done with Pat's >>template. So do look into this; it may save you time and headaches >>encountered with using frames. > ============= > > Thanks Judy, > > These should work for any web editor and all are free. > > Liquid Layout Templates > http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/css-layouts/ > > Fixed Width Layouts > http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/css-layouts/fixed-width-templates.htm > > These require FrontPage2003, Sharepoint Designer 2007 (free) or any > version of Expression Web > > http://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/ew-templates.html > > http://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/ew-site-templates.html > > http://www.frontpage-to-expression.com/site-templates/ > > Enjoy! > > pat > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the FREEPAGES-HELP list administrator, send an email to > FREEPAGES-HELP-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the FREEPAGES-HELP mailing list, send an email to > FREEPAGES-HELP@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 6, Issue 1 > ******************************************** >

At 07:57 AM 12/31/2010, J.A. Florian wrote: >I will say that Pat Greary has made fabulous templates in CSS that >she has offered (free) to webmasters here. But this morning, I >can't find her link to the templates. I'm sure if she isn't busy on >this holiday weekend that she'll post her links for you. I was not >convinced about using CSS, but I've never had problems with Pat's >templates and can see there's a big difference in how CSS looks >compared to my other basic html pages. The only reason I haven't >switched all my old pages to her CSS page is that I lack the time >and energy to re-do all my old/older pages, and as well, I still >don't understand much CSS to start adding to or changing Pat's >template. But I wish all my older pages were done with Pat's >template. So do look into this; it may save you time and headaches >encountered with using frames. ============= Thanks Judy, These should work for any web editor and all are free. Liquid Layout Templates http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/css-layouts/ Fixed Width Layouts http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/css-layouts/fixed-width-templates.htm These require FrontPage2003, Sharepoint Designer 2007 (free) or any version of Expression Web http://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/ew-templates.html http://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/ew-site-templates.html http://www.frontpage-to-expression.com/site-templates/ Enjoy! pat

At 01:11 AM 12/31/2010, Blair LeMire wrote: >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lemirefh/the_lemire_family_tree_index.htm. > >Each window has the hosted by rootsweb and Leaning centers at >Ancestry.com links in it which is fine of course but I was hoping to >only have it show up on the bottom of the main window on the right. >This worked previously when I had a webpage with only one window. Can >I have the Roots links only show up in the main window on the right? ============ That is one of the main problems with using frames on a website at RootsWeb among other things. Since you are using Fp2003, you have the ability to use a Dynamic Web Template (DWT). You might be interested in reading this article on Using Frames and converting to a DWT. http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/frames/framed-website.html Pat

Hi Blair, I'm not very experienced but what I've read on this List is something like the Rootsweb banners on top look for the closed head <.../head> and opening body tag </...body> Likewise, the bottom banner looks for the closed body <.../body> and closed <.../html> tag. When the RW server reads those tags or triggers, it inserts the banner right after. For the same reasons, when one or some of those tags are missing the Rootsweb banners seem to "go anywhere", where Rootsweb's code tries to figure out the right place. Or, sometimes when a webmaster used two closing tags as duplicates, then Rootsweb shows double banners where the error occurred whether on top or bottom. Since frames rely on each frame having its own complete html (from open to close of the html tag and the body tag), the Rootsweb banner will show in every frame. Possibly Rootsweb wasn't using these banners when you did your last website using frames? I've also read on this list that, generally in web design, frames are not used as much now and are undesirable--mostly because there are other ways using html coding or CSS to achieve what you want to do, and because frames cause troubles for viewing. I don't know enough on this topic to say more, but the experts on this list can explain the issues with frames very well. I will say that Pat Greary has made fabulous templates in CSS that she has offered (free) to webmasters here. But this morning, I can't find her link to the templates. I'm sure if she isn't busy on this holiday weekend that she'll post her links for you. I was not convinced about using CSS, but I've never had problems with Pat's templates and can see there's a big difference in how CSS looks compared to my other basic html pages. The only reason I haven't switched all my old pages to her CSS page is that I lack the time and energy to re-do all my old/older pages, and as well, I still don't understand much CSS to start adding to or changing Pat's template. But I wish all my older pages were done with Pat's template. So do look into this; it may save you time and headaches encountered with using frames. Judy On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Blair LeMire <lemirefh@gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry if I'm describing things wrong but I'm new to webpage design. > > Ok here it goes...I'm working on a webpage using FrontPage 2003 and my > layout uses frames. one window on top (header), one window to the left > Contents) and a main window on the right (my family history stuff). > Each window is an individual html file. When I upload it to my server > space I get this: > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lemirefh/the_lemire_family_tree_index.htm > . > > Each window has the hosted by rootsweb and Leaning centers at > Ancestry.com links in it which is fine of course but I was hoping to > only have it show up on the bottom of the main window on the right. > This worked previously when I had a webpage with only one window. Can > I have the Roots links only show up in the main window on the right? > > Thanks for any help, > Blair LeMire >

Sorry if I'm describing things wrong but I'm new to webpage design. Ok here it goes...I'm working on a webpage using FrontPage 2003 and my layout uses frames. one window on top (header), one window to the left Contents) and a main window on the right (my family history stuff). Each window is an individual html file. When I upload it to my server space I get this: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lemirefh/the_lemire_family_tree_index.htm. Each window has the hosted by rootsweb and Leaning centers at Ancestry.com links in it which is fine of course but I was hoping to only have it show up on the bottom of the main window on the right. This worked previously when I had a webpage with only one window. Can I have the Roots links only show up in the main window on the right? Thanks for any help, Blair LeMire

Judy wrote "..she wants each person's data to be on one web page (meaning, every person would have A to O data .., with new rows for the next person)." And Billie answered "..just tell them it can't be done the way they want." Judy's facing the traditional problem of the editor &/or publisher: Submitting authors often aren't concerned with practicalities. But, editors & publishers have to be concerned with making the information legible and, hopefully, attractive to readers. It's they who have to take the limitations of the medium into account. Judy's made the case that a 15- or 16-column table is too wide to fit onto a typical computer screen without an illegibly small font. A creative solution might be possible, but the submitter won't hear it. One approach could be "The court used a 34" wide docket book to record the information. What makes you think its presentation can be squeezed to 8 inches in exactly the same format?" In extreme cases, one may be forced to say "I am the Webmaster; the pages on this site must meet my design standards (e.g., no right-scroll). You're welcome to submit information, but I will choose the best way to present it." The disadvantage of this approach is that you seem arbitrary; the advantage is not having to argue over issues that the other can't or refuses to understand. The issue comes up from time to time in a group for whom I manage a website. Someone will ask "What will it cost to do the next new thing?" My latest answer: "Your Webmaster." -rt_/)

I think you've been about as tactful as you can be, even with someone who doesn't understand web creation. You might try suggesting if the info objective is truly to share, which is really what the web is, it would be best to have an intro page with brief description of the type of info the file contains, then make the Excel file available as a "click here to get file".  That way each user could adapt the file to their own printer setup or copy just select portions of the data. I know that is what I would prefer. And if the user didn't have Excel or another adaptable software, OpenDocument and other freeware have spreadsheet capability to open an Excel file. It's really better for the user to make those choices vs. trying to copy off a screen file. Another thought - a contact email could be provided for the user to get more information. Doesn't your friend want to hear from other researchers? I would. In a different vein, I've been wondering how these new readers will handle script from books originally printed on non-standard size books. Guess only books created in word publishing functionality can be offered vs. the web which can adapt almost anything for viewing if it can be scanned, i.e. what Google books offers. What a great age we live in! Good luck educating your dear friend, Sandra from MN

Her data is not a census page -- but just about as wide as one! They are transcribing data from a county register (one of those huge oversized Court House dockets) and putting the data into Excel. She's been insistent that I should be able to UN-widen the data for the webpage, have it viewable on one page with NO scroll, and printable onto one print page. I think it's easiest to have her put the info into Excel... and I'd just clean the code and make the table as narrow as I can BUT without being too small for type. *I* don't want to have to copy-paste each part of each line in order to design the data horizontally. It's just too much work. I hate to go to "take it or leave it" but I'm getting frustrated. I, too, wish the WWW *could* display extra wide photos or data -- but I'm not in charge of the WWW. (grin) So I guess if I can't get her to understand the issues involved, I'll have to just tell her to take it somewhere else. Judy On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Billie Walsh <bilwalsh@swbell.net> wrote: > I think you covered most everything. The only thing I see you missed is > that everyone has a different size monitor at all sort of resolutions so > there's no way you can guarantee exactly what someone will see. > > Other than that, as cold and crass as it sounds, just tell them it can't > be done the way they want. _PERIOD_ End of story. They take what they > get or don't get anything. > > From your message it sounds kind of like your doing a census page. When > I did a census page I made an extract of the basic information. Enough > that a researcher can be fairly certain it's the person they are looking > for and then have the image for them to look at to get all the > information available.