On Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:41 AM (UTC+13) I wrote - in part:- > (e) For SEO purposes, the hyperlinks using the javascript onClick() method > can also have the standard href="url". The javascript will ignore the href > call, and search engines will read it. --------------- The standard hyper-link is configured as follows:- <a href="somewhere.txt" onclick="xhrForm('somewhere.txt?seq=');return false">Default Test</a> Note the 'return false' at the end of the onclick url. Also, the '?seq' is used to trigger a random number appendage to the url, which helps to ensure that a new request to the server is made each time. http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~bristowe/xhr/draggable-div.html - has been amended with the addition of 5 hyper-links under the existing buttons. A search engine report on http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~bristowe/xhr/ shows:- List of valid URLs you can submit to a search engine (HTML or plain text): http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bristowe/xhr/ draggable-div.html xhr-default-url.txt lorem-ipsum-1.txt lorem-ipsum-2.txt Percy-Walker-Nelles.txt xhr-title.txt Barry

On Monday, January 24, 2011 12:51 PM (UTC+13) Charles Dobie wrote:- > I'm confused by all of this. I tested the pop-up windows on my navy > website with the version you give in your test file and the load time on > your test file takes a lot longer (instantaneous vs two or three seconds). > What is the advantage of your alternative to a pop-up window? ------------------------- To clear this up, Charles and I have discussed this timing issue off list and in Charles' words, "I did some more pop-up window testing and the speed of the window display is a slight of hand. What displays instantly is the frame and then the actual text takes another second or two before it fills the frame. However the viewer's perception is an instant response. In your method, the viewer sees nothing until the full window frame plus contents is formatted." That is correct, and is by design, as the called file may want to change the default frame size and styles. See below ... The other advantages are:- (a) You design the frame, e.g. color etc.. (b) There is no need to close the frame before making another server call. (c) The new call will just modify the style of the existing frame and replace its contents. (d) The called contents are a .txt file. (e) For SEO purposes, the hyperlinks using the javascript onClick() method can also have the standard href="url". The javascript will ignore the href call, and search engines will read it. (f) Plus others .... Barry

unsubscribe -----Original Message----- From: freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 25 January 2011 7:01 PM To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Subject: FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 6, Issue 18 When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. ***FREEPAGES HELP & FAQ*** http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/FAQ/fpindex.html Today's Topics: 1. (no subject) (jennie McNeil) 2. Re: An Alternative to Pop-up Windows (Jill Muir) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 07:54:27 -0800 (PST) From: jennie McNeil <fallen_angel5022001@yahoo.com> Subject: [FreeHelp] (no subject) To: Brit_wcms997@yahoo.com, innocent_but_deadly06@yahoo.com, Freepages-Help-D@rootsweb.com, trina.richardson@whitley.kyschools.us, accounts@rootsweb.com, whitney.gambrel@stu.whitley.kyschools.us, fp-replies@rootsweb.com, clarence.honeycutt@yahoo.com, spiderman0211@yahoo.com Message-ID: <964092.42940.qm@web110603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://angelkissesltd.com/images/aae.php ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 17:29:31 -0000 From: "Jill Muir" <jill@shottle.plus.com> Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] An Alternative to Pop-up Windows To: "Pat Asher" <pasher@ee.net>, <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CF1F779F3A8242E29F9C063982503496@JILLMUIR> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Pat, that email from Jennifer? Sorry deleted in hurry was a malware! Kind regards, Jill http://www.kingston-bagpuize.com - an online history of Kingston Bagpuize & area. -----Original Message----- From: freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charles Dobie Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 11:51 PM To: FREEPAGES-HELP@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] An Alternative to Pop-up Windows At 03:54 AM 1/22/2011, Jill Muir wrote: >I've been looking at alternatives to 'iFrame' and 'popup' windows that make >HTML calls to the server, and found that with a little adaption a pseudo >window created as a div can be used to call for a .txt file from the >server - provided the file called is on the same domain. This method is >generally acceptable for downloading text data, but with some judicious >manipulation is capable of downloading and displaying just about any sort of >file using the .txt extension. --snip-- Barry, I'm confused by all of this. I tested the pop-up windows on my navy website with the version you give in your test file and the load time on your test file takes a lot longer (instantaneous vs two or three seconds). What is the advantage of your alternative to a pop-up window? Thanks, Charles Dobie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the FREEPAGES-HELP list administrator, send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the FREEPAGES-HELP mailing list, send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 6, Issue 18 *********************************************

On Monday, January 24, 2011 7:30 AM (UTC+13) Judy wrote:- > I didn't understand much of your first post -- LOL! > > But, could something like this work to present, say, the data from a > Birth-Marriage-Death Register Book? Let me explain. > > Could one of these pages hold "one person" data, with the buttons you used > then assigned to show a different part of a person's record. > For example: > Button 1: Birth Record > Button 2: Early Life / Schooling > Button 3: Marriage Record > Button 4: Military Service > Button 5: Death Record > Button 6: Photos > > If something like that could work, would individual pages just be linked > together as usual? > > And, where would the webmaster type the data for each button-section? > > Would the called files be able to be formatted? Like Person's Name > centered > as H1, paragraph breaks, etc? > Could a web visitor print each "section" of "a record"? > > Sorry that I don't always understand right off. > > If it could work, it'd be a nice way to do the project I have in mind. ------------------ Yes to all the above. You do not need to use buttons, but can activate the pseudo pop-up windows by using hyperlinks suitably encoded with the javascript onClick function. You could have a sequence of links as you have listed throughout your text, and clicking each will display the appropriate text/image in the pseudo popup. Infact you will not even need to close the last opened, as the next called will replace the contents and styling of the first. A few days ago when you were wanting to create a hidden link, you retrieved a lorem-ipsum.txt file. Here is a link to that same file, and it has the styles included in it:- http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~bristowe/xhr/lorem-ipsum-1.txt Styles prefixed #xhr relate to the pseudo window frame, and those prefixed #xml relate to the file contents. Barry

I apologise for creating confusion over the urls I posted on this subject. Fully aware that a permanent 301 redirect is in place for rootsweb.com urls, I normally copy and paste the full url into the email and removed the ".ancestry" part. This is to avoid the possibility of the longer url breaking during the email distribution process. However, I messed up the copy & paste of one url by leaving the "l" off html, and that has since been corrected and either/or works. The last url was "wrecked" by in me, when I took out ".rootsweb" instead of ".ancestry". So the basic pseudo window url is:- http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~bristowe/xhr/xhr-test.html and the draggable pseudo window url is:- http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~bristowe/xhr/draggable-div.html I have considered making the window resizable by the end user, but believe that most webmasters would prefer the window be viewed as designed. Thoughts on that are welcome, but just remember that minimising to the taskbar is not possible, as functions reserved for the browser designers are not accessible. Barry

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On Saturday, January 22, 2011 9:54 PM (UTC+13) Jill Muir wrote:- > I cannot access the > http://freepages.computers.ancestry.com/~bristowe/xhr/draggable-div.html > - am getting a 404 > > The other link > http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~bristowe/xhr/xhr-test.html > > Is really interesting, but how do I get those boxes in the middle of my > screen which isn't seemingly as large as yours! ---------------------- Jill I made a small change to the CSS file when checking the draggable window file, and forgot to change it back for the original xhr-test file. I have corrected that now, and the first file is at both:- http://freepages.computers.ancestry.rootsweb.com/~bristowe/xhr/xhr-test.html and http://freepages.computers.ancestry.rootsweb.com/~bristowe/xhr/xhr-test.htm No idea why some of you are having trouble with:- <http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bristowe/xhr/draggable-div.html> but on checking the url, I found it wasn't valid. The one above is! Barry

On Sunday, January 23, 2011 5:50 PM (UTC +13) Billie Walsh wrote:- >I got page not found errors for the links. I suspect you are using a non Windows O/S browser? Barry

At 03:54 AM 1/22/2011, Jill Muir wrote: >I've been looking at alternatives to 'iFrame' and 'popup' windows that make >HTML calls to the server, and found that with a little adaption a pseudo >window created as a div can be used to call for a .txt file from the >server - provided the file called is on the same domain. This method is >generally acceptable for downloading text data, but with some judicious >manipulation is capable of downloading and displaying just about any sort of >file using the .txt extension. --snip-- Barry, I'm confused by all of this. I tested the pop-up windows on my navy website with the version you give in your test file and the load time on your test file takes a lot longer (instantaneous vs two or three seconds). What is the advantage of your alternative to a pop-up window? Thanks, Charles Dobie

Hi Pat, that email from Jennifer? Sorry deleted in hurry was a malware! Kind regards, Jill http://www.kingston-bagpuize.com - an online history of Kingston Bagpuize & area. -----Original Message----- From: freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charles Dobie Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 11:51 PM To: FREEPAGES-HELP@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] An Alternative to Pop-up Windows At 03:54 AM 1/22/2011, Jill Muir wrote: >I've been looking at alternatives to 'iFrame' and 'popup' windows that make >HTML calls to the server, and found that with a little adaption a pseudo >window created as a div can be used to call for a .txt file from the >server - provided the file called is on the same domain. This method is >generally acceptable for downloading text data, but with some judicious >manipulation is capable of downloading and displaying just about any sort of >file using the .txt extension. --snip-- Barry, I'm confused by all of this. I tested the pop-up windows on my navy website with the version you give in your test file and the load time on your test file takes a lot longer (instantaneous vs two or three seconds). What is the advantage of your alternative to a pop-up window? Thanks, Charles Dobie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've been looking at alternatives to 'iFrame' and 'popup' windows that make HTML calls to the server, and found that with a little adaption a pseudo window created as a div can be used to call for a .txt file from the server - provided the file called is on the same domain. This method is generally acceptable for downloading text data, but with some judicious manipulation is capable of downloading and displaying just about any sort of file using the .txt extension. It works equally well in all browsers back to and including IE5.01 and makes use of the xmlHttpRequest object to implement, using JavaScript, the retrieving of data from the server. A test file containing 5 .txt links is at:- http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~bristowe/xhr/xhr-test.htm W3C browsers interpretation of what is a cross-domain link is stricter than that imposed by the MSIE browsers. This means that a link on the same domain must be exactly that, i.e. in your same freepages community, e.g. freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~user and freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~user are treated as sub-domains, and W3C browsers will not allow cross access, whereas MSIE browsers will. Each link has been configured on a "no-cache" principle, and each call retrieves data from the server and not the browser cache. The downloaded file carries its own styles along with styles to modify the pseudo window size and colors, along with title information that is displayed in the top of each frame. Finally, a version where the window frame is draggable (in all browsers back to IE5.5) by clicking on the top bar is at:- http://freepages.computers.ancestry.com/~bristowe/xhr/draggable-div.html Tip!... Drag the frame to where you want it, and successive frames will open in the same position. Barry

Barry, I didn't understand much of your first post -- LOL! But, could something like this work to present, say, the data from a Birth-Marriage-Death Register Book? Let me explain. Could one of these pages hold "one person" data, with the buttons you used then assigned to show a different part of a person's record. For example: Button 1: Birth Record Button 2: Early Life / Schooling Button 3: Marriage Record Button 4: Military Service Button 5: Death Record Button 6: Photos If something like that could work, would individual pages just be linked together as usual? And, where would the webmaster type the data for each button-section? Would the called files be able to be formatted? Like Person's Name centered as H1, paragraph breaks, etc? Could a web visitor print each "section" of "a record"? Sorry that I don't always understand right off. If it could work, it'd be a nice way to do the project I have in mind. Judy On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 5:12 AM, Barry Carlson <barrycarls@gmail.com> wrote: > > I made a small change to the CSS file when checking the draggable window > file, and forgot to change it back for the original xhr-test file. I have > corrected that now, and the first file is at both:- > > > http://freepages.computers.ancestry.rootsweb.com/~bristowe/xhr/xhr-test.html > and > http://freepages.computers.ancestry.rootsweb.com/~bristowe/xhr/xhr-test.htm > > No idea why some of you are having trouble with:- > > < > http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bristowe/xhr/draggable-div.html > > > > but on checking the url, I found it wasn't valid. The one above is! > > Barry >

Just to clarify, this http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bristowe/xhr/draggable-div.html is the same as this http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~bristowe/xhr/draggable-div.html Ancestry put 'ancestry' into URLs (a year or more?) ago, and they have had redirects in place so if a URL was http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~bristowe/xhr/draggable-div.html then the URL converted to having rootsweb.ancestry in the browser URL line. Although the redirects work, I have noticed on Google Webmaster Tools that Google complains about the redirect. (For example, if I've used an absolute link.) But once I've put ancestry into the URL, Google W. tools quits complaining. Judy On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 6:33 AM, Ruth Mather <ruth@matherclan.com> wrote: > > That is so cool! However, the address should be > [1] > http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~bristowe/xhr/draggable-div.html > ("rootsweb.com", rather than "ancestry.com") > Ruth

On 01/23/2011 12:53 AM, Ian Singer wrote: >> On Sunday, January 23, 2011 5:50 PM (UTC +13) >> Billie Walsh wrote:- >> >>> I got page not found errors for the links. >> On 1/23/2011 1:07 AM, Barry Carlson wrote: >> I suspect you are using a non Windows O/S browser? > Actually the correct link is > <http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bristowe/xhr/xhr-test.html> > > but you posted as .htm and that is what is invalid > Ah. That works. Thank you. -- "A good moral character is the first essential in a man." George Washington _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

On 01/23/2011 12:07 AM, Barry Carlson wrote: > On Sunday, January 23, 2011 5:50 PM (UTC +13) > Billie Walsh wrote:- > >> I got page not found errors for the links. > > I suspect you are using a non Windows O/S browser? > > Barry > > Pretty good suspicion. I use Firefox and Kubuntu Linux. I haven't used Windows as a primary OS for about seven years now. -- "A good moral character is the first essential in a man." George Washington _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

That is so cool! However, the address should be [1]http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~bristowe/xhr/draggable-div.html ("rootsweb.com", rather than "ancestry.com") Ruth On 01/22/2011 10:20 PM, Barry Carlson wrote: I've been looking at alternatives to 'iFrame' and 'popup' windows that make HTML calls to the server, and found that with a little adaption a pseudo window created as a div can be used to call for a .txt file from the server - provided the file called is on the same domain. This method is generally acceptable for downloading text data, but with some judicious manipulation is capable of downloading and displaying just about any sort of file using the .txt extension. It works equally well in all browsers back to and including IE5.01 and makes use of the xmlHttpRequest object to implement, using JavaScript, the retrieving of data from the server. A test file containing 5 .txt links is at:- [2]http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~bristowe/xhr/xhr-test.htm W3C browsers interpretation of what is a cross-domain link is stricter than that imposed by the MSIE browsers. This means that a link on the same domain must be exactly that, i.e. in your same freepages community, e.g. freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~user and freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~user are treated as sub-domains, and W3C browsers will not allow cross access, whereas MSIE browsers will. Each link has been configured on a "no-cache" principle, and each call retrieves data from the server and not the browser cache. The downloaded file carries its own styles along with styles to modify the pseudo window size and colors, along with title information that is displayed in the top of each frame. Finally, a version where the window frame is draggable (in all browsers back to IE5.5) by clicking on the top bar is at:- [3]http://freepages.computers.ancestry.com/~bristowe/xhr/draggable-div.htm l Tip!... Drag the frame to where you want it, and successive frames will open in the same position. Barry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [4]FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~bristowe/xhr/draggable-div.html 2. http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~bristowe/xhr/xhr-test.htm 3. http://freepages.computers.ancestry.com/~bristowe/xhr/draggable-div.html 4. mailto:FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com

> On Sunday, January 23, 2011 5:50 PM (UTC +13) > Billie Walsh wrote:- > >> I got page not found errors for the links. >On 1/23/2011 1:07 AM, Barry Carlson wrote: > I suspect you are using a non Windows O/S browser? Actually the correct link is <http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bristowe/xhr/xhr-test.html> but you posted as .htm and that is what is invalid -- ========================================================================= See my homepage at http://www.iansinger.com hosted on http://www.1and1.com/?k_id=10623894 All genealogy is stored in TMG from http://www.whollygenes.com Charts and searching using TNG from http://www.tngsitebuilding.com I am near Toronto Canada, can I tell where you are from your reply? =========================================================================

I got page not found errors for the links. On 01/22/2011 10:20 PM, Barry Carlson wrote: > I've been looking at alternatives to 'iFrame' and 'popup' windows that make > HTML calls to the server, and found that with a little adaption a pseudo > window created as a div can be used to call for a .txt file from the > server - provided the file called is on the same domain. This method is > generally acceptable for downloading text data, but with some judicious > manipulation is capable of downloading and displaying just about any sort of > file using the .txt extension. > > It works equally well in all browsers back to and including IE5.01 and makes > use of the xmlHttpRequest object to implement, using JavaScript, the > retrieving of data from the server. > > A test file containing 5 .txt links is at:- > > http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~bristowe/xhr/xhr-test.htm > > W3C browsers interpretation of what is a cross-domain link is stricter than > that imposed by the MSIE browsers. This means that a link on the same > domain must be exactly that, i.e. in your same freepages community, e.g. > > freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~user and > freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~user > > are treated as sub-domains, and W3C browsers will not allow cross access, > whereas MSIE browsers will. > > Each link has been configured on a "no-cache" principle, and each call > retrieves data from the server and not the browser cache. The downloaded > file carries its own styles along with styles to modify the pseudo window > size and colors, along with title information that is displayed in the top > of each frame. > > Finally, a version where the window frame is draggable (in all browsers back > to IE5.5) by clicking on the top bar is at:- > > http://freepages.computers.ancestry.com/~bristowe/xhr/draggable-div.html > > Tip!... Drag the frame to where you want it, and successive frames will > open in the same position. > > Barry > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- "A good moral character is the first essential in a man." George Washington _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

Hi Barry, I cannot access the http://freepages.computers.ancestry.com/~bristowe/xhr/draggable-div.html - am getting a 404 The other link http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~bristowe/xhr/xhr-test.html Is really interesting, but how do I get those boxes in the middle of my screen which isn't seemingly as large as yours! Kind regards, Jill http://www.kingston-bagpuize.com - an online history of Kingston Bagpuize & area. -----Original Message----- From: freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barry Carlson Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 4:20 AM To: FREEPAGES-HELP@rootsweb.com Subject: [FreeHelp] An Alternative to Pop-up Windows I've been looking at alternatives to 'iFrame' and 'popup' windows that make HTML calls to the server, and found that with a little adaption a pseudo window created as a div can be used to call for a .txt file from the server - provided the file called is on the same domain. This method is generally acceptable for downloading text data, but with some judicious manipulation is capable of downloading and displaying just about any sort of file using the .txt extension. It works equally well in all browsers back to and including IE5.01 and makes use of the xmlHttpRequest object to implement, using JavaScript, the retrieving of data from the server. A test file containing 5 .txt links is at:- http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~bristowe/xhr/xhr-test.htm W3C browsers interpretation of what is a cross-domain link is stricter than that imposed by the MSIE browsers. This means that a link on the same domain must be exactly that, i.e. in your same freepages community, e.g. freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~user and freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~user are treated as sub-domains, and W3C browsers will not allow cross access, whereas MSIE browsers will. Each link has been configured on a "no-cache" principle, and each call retrieves data from the server and not the browser cache. The downloaded file carries its own styles along with styles to modify the pseudo window size and colors, along with title information that is displayed in the top of each frame. Finally, a version where the window frame is draggable (in all browsers back to IE5.5) by clicking on the top bar is at:- http://freepages.computers.ancestry.com/~bristowe/xhr/draggable-div.html Tip!... Drag the frame to where you want it, and successive frames will open in the same position. Barry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:27 AM (UTC+13) Judy Florian wrote (in part);- > Would there be a way to name the link a certain > phrase, or make the link itself more invisible or less noticeable to > visitors, so visitors would be less likely to click on said link? How > could I write "the link" so it doesn't show up as "a link"? > > Hope I've made sense in what I'm asking. > > My goal is simply to get those pages linked so Frontpage won't keep > reporting them as being "unlinked pages". ------------------------------- Judy, Links can be hidden in all kinds of places. All you need to do is that they display the same color as their surroundings. Your clue will be when the cursor pointer changes to a hand, and depending on your browser the url may show up in either the address bar or the status bar. A good place to hide links is plain text. Just select a letter, punctuation mark etc.. and make it a link. Ensure that it normally displays in the same style and color as the rest of the text, and the only clue will be if you run the cursor over it. There is a list of links in the following page. Three are visible, and one is not. The hidden one is not immediately after the 3rd, but effectively 3 rows below. See if you can find it bearing in mind that it is only one space wide. http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~bristowe/hidden-link.html The links are to text files only. Barry