What is causing the right middle color band to be narrower than in other locations? I viewed it in IE, Firefox, and Chrome. Rose Lee Wall -----Original Message----- From: freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Geary Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 7:46 AM To: J.A. Florian; freepages-help@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] New Page and New CSS http://www.css-layouts.org/judy/pat.html see added comments. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Lorrie wrote:- >Whatever method you use, organize it in a manner that will make finding and >changing styles > quick, accurate and easy. ----------------- That is good advice/advise. Just remember, that a style added at the end of your stylesheet will take precedence over a style of the same name set earlier. That is the reason Lorrie set her "test" styles last. Also, an inline style has overall precedence, next are CSS styles in the head section of your page, followed by links to off page CSS. Remembering all the time that the last rendered style with the same "id" or "class" name will be the style that wins. Barry
Judy, my answers are inline >What I did so far is to put your new css side-by-side with your old >css so I could put the items back on separate lines like you had it >before. It's easier for me to see and find things that are on >separate lines, rather than having the entire line continue to the right. Pat: Not sure what is happening once I upload the css file as it is exactly the same file as you are using with the color changes I made. It is also the same format with separate lines. For some reason the online file is being reformatted but not by me. Will have to investigate that. > It also let me compare the spots I'd changed before for the color > vs. where you put color codes your new file. I think I may have > wrongly tried the dark color as the inner portion before. Pat: I changed the middle band of color on the page I did as I could not tell the two darker colors apart that you were using but did make a note as to the color you had chosen. > Then, after seeing that the two are basically the same files, I > replaced my css file with yours (same name), and made your file > page a template. Pat: All I did on the one I did was use the basic template regions of your current one minus the includes and what was in the content area. So it included just the actual layout of the page. I worked with the page you sent the url for which was the rock page. > The few pages I started were already linked to rd.css but when I > opened them with your rd.css, it still has the wrong colors in the > wrong spots. The only differences on these pages vs. your new > template is I added the _includes before on those. So, if MY page > is "wrong" with the new css, does that mean some HTML in the page > was wrong, or something in the _include -- or both? Pat: Yes, it means that somewhere in your files - includes or content or both their are some mistakes. Either you are overriding the style rules in the external style sheet or there is a mistake in the html code of the page. > >The second problem, on the Original CSS and my template, the >head-banner area looked like a rectangular "box" with a line under >it. See ><http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~florian/>http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~florian/ >See the bottom line? On your new template, that "line" was sitting >right along the top of the "table", right above the left navigation >and "content" area, >see ><http://www.css-layouts.org/judy/pat.html>http://www.css-layouts.org/judy/pat.html >I wasn't sure how to make that line move upward; I ended up putting >in this (is it right to do it this way?): Pat: I made no changes to any of the css file except the three areas that set the triple layer background colors. I believe your search area is actually part of the content which pushes the content area down so that it does not butt up against the border line on your masthead content. You should also not be using p align="center" when you have created a class for centering. It should read p class="ctr" or whatever the class that center aligns the text. ><!-- end of masthead --> > ><...div> > ><....p align="center"><....a marquee instruction></p> > ><...p>several lines of text</p> > ><...p align="left">more text.</p> > ><.../div> > ><...table class="main"> > >That line is now under the head-banner, with text below, then the >nav and content area. Pat: This is the url for the page you asked for help on http://freepages.school-alumni.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~florian/test/ and the css file for that page http://freepages.school-alumni.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~florian/test/rd.css These are the two files I used. They appear not to be set up exactly the same way the layout for this page is http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~florian/ which includes a wrapper for the entire content area <div id="contentWrapper"> >BUT, when I tried to insert my _includes/top.htm and checked it in >Preview, then the contents of banner _includes is written OVER the >div and text I inserted. Again, does this mean my _includes top is >written wrong? (It only has the usual head, body, etc.) Or, is the >CSS creating the conflict in that area? The bottom includes (flags >and copyright) enter fine and have just a little space below the >nav/content area of the template. > >Regarding the includes/top.html I had planned to reduce the image >on my test page and put it in the same position as the one on ><http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~florian/>http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~florian/ >And to be able to add an H1 below the "top" include for "this page's >title". But so far, I can't keep the text / image of the top >(banner) "include" from superimposing over the H1 text. How do I >keep that space between the _includes/top.htm and the line that >makes the top of the nav and content area? Pat: This is the html code you have used on the misc page for the masthead <.....div id="masthead"> <p class="title">Welcome to Washington County PA<br> Genealogy & History Webpages</p></div> There is NO h1 tag used on that page within the masthead. It is controlled by these styles #innerwrapper #masthead { border-bottom: 1px double #803240; height: 150px; background: #F2ECDC url('wash-downtown_sm_67K.jpg') no-repeat left center; } /*======= styles masthead title ===========*/ #innerwrapper #masthead .title { float: right; font-weight: bold; font-size: 1.5em; color: #000000; margin-top: 20px; margin-right: 20px; } So if you want it to look the same, then you have to set it up the same way. >Lastly, with the nav/content areas being "expandable", how much >content is a reasonable amount inside that box? If I have more >content, is it ok to continue it below the "box" set up for nav and >content (and before the footer)? Or should any more content be >split into a 2nd page? I have a few photos that go with the content >so I'm worried the info will stretch the "content" area too far >downward. Putting the rest below the "box" seems a reasonable >alternative as long as it's before the "content" area ends in the >code, right? Or, maybe I could put just the images on a second page >and link the text to the images? Pat: Why not just use small thumbnail images within the content that can be linked to a larger image. Or break the content up so that it links to another page. I keep my content together as content. If I can break it up as separate content on another topic. The content on this page http://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/ extends below the navigation and I have no problem with that. > One other thing. One of the old pages was made with Frames -- > which I want to get rid of. Do I just copy the content from each > frame, check the coding, and then plug the content into a CSS-based > page? Are there certain codes that make Frames that I should be > aware of and be sure to remove? Pat: This may help you work with getting rid of frames http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/frames/framed-website.html Depends what is on the framed page. the content should be cleaned up and put within the content area of the page template you are using. If the top frame is a banner than you already have set your banner for the page. If the left frame is navigations then you already have your navigation set for the template. Pat
Pat, What I did so far is to put your new css side-by-side with your old css so I could put the items back on separate lines like you had it before. It's easier for me to see and find things that are on separate lines, rather than having the entire line continue to the right. It also let me compare the spots I'd changed before for the color vs. where you put color codes your new file. I think I may have wrongly tried the dark color as the inner portion before. Then, after seeing that the two are basically the same files, I replaced my css file with yours (same name), and made your file page a template. The few pages I started were already linked to rd.css but when I opened them with your rd.css, it still has the wrong colors in the wrong spots. The only differences on these pages vs. your new template is I added the _includes before on those. So, if MY page is "wrong" with the new css, does that mean some HTML in the page was wrong, or something in the _include -- or both? The second problem, on the Original CSS and my template, the head-banner area looked like a rectangular "box" with a line under it. See http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~florian/ See the bottom line? On your new template, that "line" was sitting right along the top of the "table", right above the left navigation and "content" area, see http://www.css-layouts.org/judy/pat.html I wasn't sure how to make that line move upward; I ended up putting in this (is it right to do it this way?): * <!-- end of masthead --> <...div> <....p align="center"><....a marquee instruction></p> <...p>several lines of text</p> <...p align="left">more text.</p> <.../div> <...table class="main"> * That line is now under the head-banner, with text below, then the nav and content area. BUT, when I tried to insert my _includes/top.htm and checked it in Preview, then the contents of banner _includes is written OVER the div and text I inserted. Again, does this mean my _includes top is written wrong? (It only has the usual head, body, etc.) Or, is the CSS creating the conflict in that area? The bottom includes (flags and copyright) enter fine and have just a little space below the nav/content area of the template. Regarding the includes/top.html I had planned to reduce the image on my test page and put it in the same position as the one on http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~florian/ And to be able to add an H1 below the "top" include for "this page's title". But so far, I can't keep the text / image of the top (banner) "include" from superimposing over the H1 text. How do I keep that space between the _includes/top.htm and the line that makes the top of the nav and content area? Lastly, with the nav/content areas being "expandable", how much content is a reasonable amount inside that box? If I have more content, is it ok to continue it below the "box" set up for nav and content (and before the footer)? Or should any more content be split into a 2nd page? I have a few photos that go with the content so I'm worried the info will stretch the "content" area too far downward. Putting the rest below the "box" seems a reasonable alternative as long as it's before the "content" area ends in the code, right? Or, maybe I could put just the images on a second page and link the text to the images? One other thing. One of the old pages was made with Frames -- which I want to get rid of. Do I just copy the content from each frame, check the coding, and then plug the content into a CSS-based page? Are there certain codes that make Frames that I should be aware of and be sure to remove? Judy -- -- WASHINGTON COUNTY PA WEBSITES::: http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~florian/
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Rod Dav4is <L9PHS.webmaster@verizon.net>wrote: > I think that the chief reason why CSS is so hard to get your head > around -- particularly for those who are used to doing HTML "by hand", > or any other programming language -- is that CSS is "non-procedural", > while HTML is "procedural". For me, I need to see action=result: "I do this" and it "makes it do that". CSS *seems* too disjointed and too mechanical TO ME. I feel like I have to remember too much "instruction" (if you want x to do this, then you have to remember what to use to get a # thingie or a . (dot) thingie to display what you want to see in the page. CSS reminds me a lot of math and mathematical formulas, neither of which I excel in doing. CSS also involves some memorization. The more years lived, though, the less brain seems to like memorizing anything. One evening I think, "Oh I got it!" but the next day I've forgotten my "Ah ha" moment. To ME, using easier words to "make it go there" is more desirable. CSS is like someone saying "milk" is now "hosom" -- CSS language is strange, like learning a foreign language (which I was never good at either). I am good with words and organization. HTML seems more organized IMO. It has fewer "areas" Head, endHead, Body, EndBody, wrapped in between HTML open and close. I now know where to put HTML code in those categories and which codes. BUT, with CSS I now have to rely on "Comments" to show me where a specific set of instructions applies to my page. As an analogy, we are all accustomed to A Book; many have an About Author; a Forward; An Intro; Chapters; and maybe an Index. If I published a book with About Author, the Forward, and Index interspersed throughout the Chapters, people would be like, "Huh??" CSS seems like that, IMO. I don't have to remember where the parts of a particular book are located; I just know it from experience. If we made 1st graders try to grasp the sections and order of a book, it'd be hard for them. CSS makes me feel like I've been given advanced material, like being made to do Algebra before I master how to add, subtract, and multiply, or like handing a 1st grader advanced College material to read, comprehend and use. That's why Comments in CSS are so important; But, CSS shouldn't need Comments to explain it. CSS should be easy(easier) if Web Authorities want more people to use CSS. Instead, I struggle to figure it out, even with Comments. The ONLY positive I have to say (so far) is yes, CSS makes nicer pages and loads pages faster. Otherwise.... I hated Algebra in school, and right now I hate CSS. LOL Maybe it'll grow on me (like a wart? ) Or, maybe I'll understand it if I keep practicing for another 5 years. Judy
Another reason for the difficulty using CSS is that the documentation by W3C is not in layman's language. It is very difficult to understand. I do try but usually give up and browse for other's interpretations which requires looking for mutliple explanations to verify the first. As Rod stated, there are so many choices. For example, which font should be used? When is one used over the other? Is the choice based on the site's design, accessibility issues or website performance related to the site? Learning and keeping up with it will never stop for web masters. Lorrie On 03/20/11 19:25, Ron Lankshear wrote: > Very true Rod > I have to go and web search every time I think of > a change > > The other issue is the Stack of opinions on how > things should be done > > em vs px vs % > > serif vs sans > > and which font family > > Originally I downloaded a template from Pat that > worked and I've only changed slightly. > > Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds > Bush/Chiswick) > try my links > http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/ > > On 2011-03-21 9:57 AM, Rod Dav4is wrote: >> In HTML, and other procedural languages, you can point to something >> and pretty easily tell that "this" gets done before "that". >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toFREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
At 03:43 AM 3/20/2011, J.A. Florian wrote: >I picked these colors to replace the original colors: >outer #330000 (dark cherry) -- all over background >Middle: #0E0004 >Inner: #E2D2BA >I tried changing one color at a time, but I've gotten confused. The main >result is that I get the #30000 cherry color between the head-banner and the >content area, and again in the footer. I can only make the whole page be >the #E2D2BA color (but I want the triple borders). I'm not understanding >the exact places where the >outer #330000 (dark cherry) and the Middle: #0E0004 each belong. ============== I added some notes so hopefully you can see where to make the changes. http://www.css-layouts.org/judy/pat.html At the very bottom of the style sheet you have two styles with the same name. The last one listed is the one that takes precedence so I would delete the next to the last one. pat
I think that the chief reason why CSS is so hard to get your head around -- particularly for those who are used to doing HTML "by hand", or any other programming language -- is that CSS is "non-procedural", while HTML is "procedural". In HTML, and other procedural languages, you can point to something and pretty easily tell that "this" gets done before "that". Not so with CSS. CSS declarations are more like "whenever" statements. For example, whenever a P tag occurs (in the HTML), apply these changes to its styling; Whenever a P of class "annotation" occurs, style it in this way, and so on. Coming from a programming background, this was the biggest hurdle for me. -- Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA Little Nine Partners Historical Society Trustee, Webmaster, Lifetime Member http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nylnphs/ Personal website: Genealogy, et Cetera: http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dav4is/
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On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Ian Singer <ian@iansinger.com> wrote: > > Is school alumni an acceptable use of freepages? If it is not they will > delete it. That is what happened to my non genealogy material. > > Ian Singer Hi Ian, Yes, school-alumni is a set "community" (category) in freepages. I believe there are 9 "communities". The pages I'm re-doing are about "geology, geography, rocks, minerals, etc" of Pennsylvania and most specifically to SW PA under which lies the Pittsburgh Coal Seam (extends also into WVA). While "geology, geography, rocks, minerals, etc" is not in itself specific to "genealogy", what I'll be doing (once I get the CSS to display how I want it!) is to tie the non-genealogy topic TO the genealogy topic -- through the written content. All my content focuses on the LIVES of people who lived in the county. As such, you can tie in almost any topic specifically to genealogy, by what you write, what you include, and continually focusing on the people. Because my sites are for the whole county, *anyone* who fits in the topic can tie the topic in genealogy-wise. The topic of "geology, geography, rocks, minerals, etc" fits ancestral coal miners, the tools they used, the work they did, and I plan to tie into the "coal mine"/miners topic. I have biographies of different coal miners with stories of their ancestry, migration(s), their families, and descendants. Charleroi PA in Washington County PA was the birthplace of the United Mine Workers. Before that, though, there was a drive to educate and have employed only the "practical miner", meaning, those with education in rock formations, slate/slate falls, etc. and with the "practical application" of geologic and mining principles. The "practical" miner was a continual topic as the UMW formed, with the argument/opinion back then that only UMW workers could maintain the high excellence as "practical" miners (e.g. there was animosity toward those that newspapers called "foreigners" and a desire to keep out "unskilled" miners). The broader geology topic also links into migration patterns and reasons for migration; for example, why coal mines closed because of rock types and methane explosions, and how that forced men to move to new towns/States. Geology, weather, and history sometimes combine in telling the stories of people (interwoven with their family genealogy). A current example of geology, weather, and genealogy is Japan's earthquake and tsunami where over 10,000 (last estimate) have died. If a family there documented their "family history", they would include the impact that the earthquake and tsunami had-- like what caused a man to lose 3 generations of his family in one day. But for our purposes of only including historical events and ancestors, other geology/weather/history events impacted and shaped individuals, families, and communities. For example, the volcano called Tamora explosively erupted in Indonesia in April of 1815, forcing an estimated 100 cubic miles of dust, ash, and noxious gases into the atmosphere. This "cloud" traveled worldwide and caused "The Summer That Never Was". Snow fell in summer months, crops failed, people became ill, and many died--- including people in the USA. In my Baker family, the father died in the Fall of 1815; his son died 1816; and daughter (who married a LANE) within a couple years. The father's death impacted his minor children, who were raised by a related Bakers, but those children were *assumed* by researchers to belong to "that" family (because of the same surname). (The same-surname issue happened in my ANTHONY family later when a brother took his sister's children.) The father's death also impacted my LANE ancestor, first because he lost his wife, and second because he made a land deal with his father-in-law (Baker), only to have the land be returned to the estate when Baker died in 1815; Lane tried again to buy that land from the Baker son, but again, lost it back to the estate when the son died in 1816. And these failed land deals explain why he later moved, which also meant leaving his wife's grave behind on the other land. The volcano exploding in April 1815 directly or indirectly ended up changing the lives of 2 of my ancestral families through several generations. To include the information about the volcano is certainly part of my family's story (and other families in the county, as well). As another example, I have bunches of pictures of old tractors from about 1900 on. If I just put up tractor pictures with no specific tie-in to PEOPLE, that wouldn't have much to do with genealogy. But, SW PA is known for 3 primary occupations: Agricultral Farming, Coal Mining, and Sheep Farming (the other jobs being Teacher, Lawyer, Doctor, Preacher -- and Undertaker). Men couldn't do much agricultural farming because the ridges of the Appalachian mountains, though rounded from erosion, were steep, rocky and had unusable soil. The geology created the need for new types of machinery and plowing; we even had a few inventors from this county. Geology dictated that farmers raise sheep (vs cattle), and "wool associations" at local and national levels shaped the occupation. But, again, my focus is on the people and their lives. For certain occupations, I also focus on how PEOPLE did those jobs and how the jobs or changes in how the job was done impacted family as well as the community. Rootsweb has a "community" for "religions" and one for "school-alumni". Churches, "religions", beliefs, and faith is certainly not "genealogy", and neither is the brick and mortar of educational buildings, classroom artifacts, books, or school subjects. For religions, it was people who built the structures, made rules around doctrines, exercised their faith(s) through daily life and as pacifists against the country's wars, and some led the congregations. Even though the interest for many genealogists is the cemetery associated with a church, there are many OTHER ways that religions and churches impacted and shaped lives and genealogy. If we understand the forces exerted on people because of their faith or denominational choices, we also can understand how these influenced genealogy. Why did some pacifists in the Brethren church go to War but others didn't but paid a fee to not go? Why did a German Baptist attend a Protestant church? Why didn't widow Jane ever re-marry? Why did unmarried Catholic Angelina raise her baby alone; why did the baby never know his step-father wasn't his real dad? As for religion and schools together, most educated men studied one or two of four primary occupations: lawyer, doctor, teacher, or preacher. Most early schools were founded by religious leaders. Many teachers were preachers and farmers-- depending on the season. Many preachers and doctors "tutored" after regular work hours. The educational opportunities as well as obstacles shaped everyone's family and the community as a whole. And, with the "records" of churches OR schools, genealogists have another source for dates of birth, approximate ages during historical events, and so on. RW would frown on numerous webpages devoted only to a non-genealogy topic. But if the topic fits a larger subject, and relates to people's families, lives, or ancestry, it's not as off topic as it may seem at first glance. So my rule of thumb is, if a topic relates to county citizens, somehow shaped or impacted how people lived, influenced or shaped the reasoning behind decisions people made, and that influenced or altered the formation of their life story and genealogy, it is not off-topic as long as my primary focus is about "genealogy and history". The same is true for one family, but it's easier to expound on genealogical aspects when a website focuses on the citizens (any citizen) of a county. I can use multiple biographies from unrelated families; family lore/stories from an array of individuals; and photos of persons and locations. I can use Court House records, Deeds, Wills, Orphan's Court, Civil Lawsuits, and Library sources like County Histories, as well as newspaper copies or other secondary sources to weave the "family story"/"family history". I hope this helps explain how webmasters can present what seems to be off-topic material in different website "communities" and have it still relate to "genealogy and history". Judy
At 11:06 AM 3/20/2011, lrlaskey wrote: >This subject of understanding and using style sheets crops up repeatedly >and not just on this list. I have been through this myself. The problem >seems to be two fold, first, not understanding style sheets which is an >ongoing and never ending process and second, lack of style sheet >organization. I don't know why the second is never addressed in online >tutorials. It is just as important as the organization of a web site. In >fact, the two should mirror each other. ============ I tend to organize my styles sheets in the same manner the web page itself is laid out - in sections - so the styles for each of the sections are together. I start with the reset styles , body style rules and heading and links that are central to all pages. Then I go down the sections of the page in the order they appear. The one thing I would encourage folks to do is comment your style sheet so you know what your intention was and use sensible naming conventions. A class of .red may be good for now but what if you want to change the color to green later. Pat
Pat and all, I neglected to add that idea to my post. Duplicating your site's structure in your styles make finding them easier. Whatever method you use, organize it in a manner that will make finding and changing styles quick, accurate and easy. Lorrie On 03/20/11 13:46, Patricia Geary wrote: > At 11:06 AM 3/20/2011, lrlaskey wrote: >> This subject of understanding and using style sheets crops up repeatedly >> and not just on this list. I have been through this myself. The problem >> seems to be two fold, first, not understanding style sheets which is an >> ongoing and never ending process and second, lack of style sheet >> organization. I don't know why the second is never addressed in online >> tutorials. It is just as important as the organization of a web site. In >> fact, the two should mirror each other. > ============ > > I tend to organize my styles sheets in the same manner the web page > itself is laid out - in sections - so the styles for each of the > sections are together. > I start with the reset styles , body style rules and heading and > links that are central to all pages. > > Then I go down the sections of the page in the order they appear. > > The one thing I would encourage folks to do is comment your style > sheet so you know what your intention was and use sensible naming conventions. > A class of .red may be good for now but what if you want to change > the color to green later. > > Pat > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
At 10:39 AM 3/20/2011, Ian Singer wrote: >Is school alumni an acceptable use of freepages? If it is not they will >delete it. That is what happened to my non genealogy material. Ian, As I'm sure you know, your Freepages account includes a "school-alumni" directory. However, since you are asking whether you can use it, I assume you have doubts that your intended use is acceptable use under the Freepages Agreement. Therefore, I suggest you write to accounts@rootsweb.com to ask them if your intended use is acceptable. Pat Asher List Admin
On 3/20/2011 3:43 AM, J.A. Florian wrote: > I have this site and css: http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~florian/ > > I wanted to take that css and change the triple border colors, the > head-banner, and the navigation, and then use it on part of my school-alumni > site. Is school alumni an acceptable use of freepages? If it is not they will delete it. That is what happened to my non genealogy material. Ian Singer -- ========================================================================= See my homepage at http://www.iansinger.com hosted on http://www.1and1.com/?k_id=10623894 All genealogy is stored in TMG from http://www.whollygenes.com Charts and searching using TNG from http://www.tngsitebuilding.com I am near Toronto Canada, can I tell where you are from your reply? =========================================================================
Judy and all, This subject of understanding and using style sheets crops up repeatedly and not just on this list. I have been through this myself. The problem seems to be two fold, first, not understanding style sheets which is an ongoing and never ending process and second, lack of style sheet organization. I don't know why the second is never addressed in online tutorials. It is just as important as the organization of a web site. In fact, the two should mirror each other. The first can be greatly improved by improving the second since a better organized style sheet can be understood by anyone. Even non-html users can find what they need in the style sheet if it is organized. My solution has evolved over time from frustration, the same that Judy is experiencing, and looking for a better style sheet. I think I have a start but am always tweaking as I create new sites. I found a solution that some of you may find helpful so I posted a template.css on my site. I use this when I am creating a new site or cleaning up a site. Feel free to use it as is or in part. If you use it, I would appreciate hearing your ideas how to improve it. Think of it as the index to you site, much like the index in a book to guide you through it's various parts. This is a direct link. There is no link on the site. http://www.serversideincludes.net/templates/template.css Lorrie On 03/20/11 02:43, J.A. Florian wrote: > I have this site and css:http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~florian/ > > I wanted to take that css and change the triple border colors, the > head-banner, and the navigation, and then use it on part of my school-alumni > site. > I'm having trouble changing the colors correctly. > > First, I understand css better if I use the words outermost, middle, and > inner, to describe triple borders, going from the edge (outer) to center of > the screen (inner). Middle is the narrow color or image between the two. > (That's the way I describe it.) > > I picked these colors to replace the original colors: > outer #330000 (dark cherry) -- all over background > Middle: #0E0004 > Inner: #E2D2BA > I tried changing one color at a time, but I've gotten confused. The main > result is that I get the #30000 cherry color between the head-banner and the > content area, and again in the footer. I can only make the whole page be > the #E2D2BA color (but I want the triple borders). I'm not understanding > the exact places where the > outer #330000 (dark cherry) and the Middle: #0E0004 each belong. > > Second, when I uploaded the test files, the bottom RW banner is under the > page's banner. I don't understand why. > > I did re-validate the css and validated the test page. > > The URLs > http://freepages.school-alumni.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~florian/test/index > with only the "inner" color working > > http://freepages.school-alumni.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~florian/test/rd.css > > _includes > top.htm > nav-RD.htm > bottom.htm > 3dflags.htm (images not uploaded) > > Any help appreciated. > > Also, am I supposed to have a "full background" color to replace everything > if the triple borders fail?? > > Judy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toFREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
At 03:43 AM 3/20/2011, J.A. Florian wrote: >I picked these colors to replace the original colors: >outer #330000 (dark cherry) -- all over background >Middle: #0E0004 >Inner: #E2D2BA Judy, the outer color is specified in the body styles. the middle color is specified for the styles for div #outerwrapper the inner color is specified for the div #innerwrapper http://www.css-layouts.org/judy/pat.html I can hardly tell the difference between the outermost layer and the middle layer colors. pat
I have this site and css: http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~florian/ I wanted to take that css and change the triple border colors, the head-banner, and the navigation, and then use it on part of my school-alumni site. I'm having trouble changing the colors correctly. First, I understand css better if I use the words outermost, middle, and inner, to describe triple borders, going from the edge (outer) to center of the screen (inner). Middle is the narrow color or image between the two. (That's the way I describe it.) I picked these colors to replace the original colors: outer #330000 (dark cherry) -- all over background Middle: #0E0004 Inner: #E2D2BA I tried changing one color at a time, but I've gotten confused. The main result is that I get the #30000 cherry color between the head-banner and the content area, and again in the footer. I can only make the whole page be the #E2D2BA color (but I want the triple borders). I'm not understanding the exact places where the outer #330000 (dark cherry) and the Middle: #0E0004 each belong. Second, when I uploaded the test files, the bottom RW banner is under the page's banner. I don't understand why. I did re-validate the css and validated the test page. The URLs http://freepages.school-alumni.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~florian/test/index with only the "inner" color working http://freepages.school-alumni.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~florian/test/rd.css _includes top.htm nav-RD.htm bottom.htm 3dflags.htm (images not uploaded) Any help appreciated. Also, am I supposed to have a "full background" color to replace everything if the triple borders fail?? Judy
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Unsubscribe Please remove from the mailing list -----Original Message----- From: freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 2:00 AM To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Subject: FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 6, Issue 80 When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. ***FREEPAGES HELP & FAQ*** <http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/FAQ/fpindex.html> Today's Topics: 1. Re: unsubscribe (Jill Muir) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:41:06 -0000 From: "Jill Muir" <jill@shottle.plus.com> Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] unsubscribe To: "'Robin Campbell'" <baronessrobin@msn.com>, <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <75440767AD1A4F20BBDAC32C4979B39F@JILLMUIR> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hello Robin, Here are two websites hat may be of help to you. Pat Asher's site: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pasher/ Pat Geary's site: http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/ Good luck with your new site. Do come back and ask for help. There are lots of very helpful and knowledgeable people on this list. == Oops I see that Pat G has already told you of these sites. You won't better them for simplicity. Best wishes, Jill http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ -----Original Message----- From: freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robin Campbell Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 5:18 AM To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Subject: [FreeHelp] unsubscribe From: freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com Subject: FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 6, Issue 65 To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 01:00:40 -0700 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: dkvaughn@nycap.rr.com To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:29:34 -0500 Subject: [FreeHelp] HTML newbie needs some help Hi to everyone on the list! I am an experienced genealogy researcher, know my way around the Internet and the computer pretty well...BUT...I have HTML anxiety. Several years ago, I started working on a webpage through Rootsweb freepages, but dropped the project till now. When I recently tried to create another one, I was told I already had one and was sent the user name and password to access it. However, I have no idea where to go on Rootsweb to try to open it up and resume work on it. Or what to do once I get there. I am really just looking for the most basic of webpages, no bells, whistles, music, animated graphics, or any of that stuff. I just want a simple page with the surnames I am researching, a little brief info on each one. And a link to my gedcom file I created with Family Tree Maker. I want the webpage to come up on Google or other search engines, if someone does a search on one of my surnames. Really, I am just looking to make some genealogy connections here to further my research, not bedazzle anyone with an eyecatching website. :) I welcome any suggestions, and thank you in advance for your help! Donna ------------------------------ To contact the FREEPAGES-HELP list administrator, send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the FREEPAGES-HELP mailing list, send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 6, Issue 80 *********************************************
Hello Robin, Here are two websites hat may be of help to you. Pat Asher's site: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pasher/ Pat Geary's site: http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/ Good luck with your new site. Do come back and ask for help. There are lots of very helpful and knowledgeable people on this list. == Oops I see that Pat G has already told you of these sites. You won't better them for simplicity. Best wishes, Jill http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ -----Original Message----- From: freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robin Campbell Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 5:18 AM To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Subject: [FreeHelp] unsubscribe From: freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com Subject: FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 6, Issue 65 To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 01:00:40 -0700 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: dkvaughn@nycap.rr.com To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:29:34 -0500 Subject: [FreeHelp] HTML newbie needs some help Hi to everyone on the list! I am an experienced genealogy researcher, know my way around the Internet and the computer pretty well...BUT...I have HTML anxiety. Several years ago, I started working on a webpage through Rootsweb freepages, but dropped the project till now. When I recently tried to create another one, I was told I already had one and was sent the user name and password to access it. However, I have no idea where to go on Rootsweb to try to open it up and resume work on it. Or what to do once I get there. I am really just looking for the most basic of webpages, no bells, whistles, music, animated graphics, or any of that stuff. I just want a simple page with the surnames I am researching, a little brief info on each one. And a link to my gedcom file I created with Family Tree Maker. I want the webpage to come up on Google or other search engines, if someone does a search on one of my surnames. Really, I am just looking to make some genealogy connections here to further my research, not bedazzle anyone with an eyecatching website. :) I welcome any suggestions, and thank you in advance for your help! Donna