----- Original Message ----- From: freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 00:00 Subject: FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 6, Issue 183 When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. ***FREEPAGES HELP & FAQ*** &lt;http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/FAQ/fpindex.html> Today's Topics: 1. Headers and Footers -- SSI (Ralph Taylor) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 14:37:00 -0700 From: "Ralph Taylor" <rt-sails@comcast.net> Subject: [FreeHelp] Headers and Footers -- SSI To: <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <DFF124D15365486F9D854A56A79A71FB@Ralphs> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Johnny wrote: "There is a way to add Headers and / or Footers: Do your whole set of biographies with a word processor (MS-Word or WordPerfect are good for this), save in PDF format, then upload the PDF files to the web page..." Compared to other means, this seems like poor practice to me; not recommended. Image files (which PDF are) take more bandwidth than the equivalent in HTML-formatted text. I don't know about band width, but 13 meg of web pages, when made into PDF files, comes to 20 meg in PDF format. It doesn't deal with Caroline's problem of including a footer (or header) in every page without making changes to the pages; you'd have to do something to get the PDF onto each page. As for getting the Header / Footer on each page, the better word processors do that automatically, and can make automatic changes, such as numbering the pages. Example, if the Header is something Like this, starting with page 10, then have pages numbered each time there is a new page, such as: Carolyn's Bio, Page 10 Carolyn's Bio, Page 11 Carolyn's Bio, Page 12 etc, MS-Word and WordPerfect word processors easily do that, and can then save the file in PDF format. PDF is an image file AND a text file combined. You can actually do a search for certain text within a PDF file, and it will find that text. But thanks for the info on your "include" tags. That looks handy. Johnny

Johnny wrote: "There is a way to add Headers and / or Footers: Do your whole set of biographies with a word processor (MS-Word or WordPerfect are good for this), save in PDF format, then upload the PDF files to the web page..." Compared to other means, this seems like poor practice to me; not recommended. Image files (which PDF are) take more bandwidth than the equivalent in HTML-formatted text. It doesn't deal with Caroline's problem of including a footer (or header) in every page without making changes to the pages; you'd have to do something to get the PDF onto each page. To review in more detail what we were discussing before: An easy way to put the same content (text, graphics or both) on every page uses an "include" statement. It's most often used for headers and footers, though it can help for anything that appears on multiple pages. If you change the included file, the changes are reflected on every page it's called. - First, make a text or HTML file with the content to be included. It can be saved as either text (includ1.txt) or HTML (includ1.htm). Even if .htm, it won't need a head section. - Then, put the include statement in your page files, e.g., "file1.shtm". This method is known as "server-side includes" or SSI for short. The standard form of the include statement is <.!--include virtual="path/includ1.htm" --> {without the leading dot} The proprietary FrontPage form is <.!--webbot bot="Include" U-Include="path/includ1.htm" TAG="BODY" --> If you're familiar with HTML tags, you'll recognize these as very similar to a comment -- text that doesn't display except in the source code. But it has a different effect with "include" right after the dashes, the virtual= modifier and the file to be included. The content will be delivered to the viewer as each page is loaded, though it will not take more storage space on either your local version or the remote version of your site. The standard form requires the server to have Perl language installed. Most servers do, though they may require a filename extension of .shtm or .shtml, i.e., Freepages, to signal parsing of the include statement. You may not see the content in your web-designer, but viewers will see it in their browsers and be unable to tell the difference. The FrontPage form requires the server to have FrontPage extensions installed; Freepages does. If you're using the FrontPage application, you will see the content as you design the page and the viewers will also see it. Sounds simple, right? What can go wrong? 1. The server doesn't support SSI or recognize that your page uses it, often because you didn't name the file with a ".shtm". Basically, it thinks the include statement is just another comment not to display. Check that the server supports your form of include and what sort of filename extension it needs. 2. You don't get the statement form correct. Maybe, you put a space after the second dash. Again, the server thinks it's just another comment not to do anything with. Check your include statement for the proper syntax. 3. You get wrong the included filename or the path to it; the server can't find the file. The viewer will see this: [an error occurred while processing this directive] Check, and correct, the filename and path. Make sure the cAsEs agree exactly; it makes a difference to most servers. Includes are a little tricky to get right the first time. After that, you'll love them. For an example, look at http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~taylorydna/. The banner graphic and top menu are in one included file, "top_stuff.htm". -rt_/)

I asked about image size and connection to my pedigree on rootsweb. Thank you to all the people who quickly and helpfully gave me advice, both through the Help Page and off line. Ken Thompson

There is a way to add Headers and / or Footers: Do your whole set of biographies with a word processor (MS-Word or WordPerfect are good for this), save in PDF format, then upload the PDF files to the web page. The will have names ending in .PDF instead of .HTM, but anyone can read them with a link. You can see examples of this at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~eazier1/East/index.htm Or, you can add a Superscript number to a word in your page, then at the bottom make a 1) Footer info here at the bottom of the page in a different type face. You actually don't even have to make a Superscript number above in the page, but instead can add an asterisk after a word, and then at the bottom of the page make a * footnote in a different typeface so that is stands out.

Caroline wrote; > In a way similar to that in which Rootsweb adds the header and footer, > would it be possible for me to add a footer to all pages in a folder, > without calling it from the individual pages? That is, add a page > containing a command, either into the MISC folder to be active on all > pages on my site, or into the individual directory folders to be active on > the folder's content. > > I simply don't have time to go back and add the footer to every page, or > group of pages - I don't have time to add to the site everything stored on > my HD! > > Some expert coding to provide the solution would be greatly appreciated. ---------------------------- Hi Caroline, There is no practical way of doing what you require, for to do so would require the "server" to identify your pages and do the inserting. This doesn't mean it can't be done, though to do so would require you to place the required HTML code or as SSI or Javascript on each of your pages, and that is what I gather you are trying to avoid! Barry

Hello Ken, Try this site for help. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gearyfamily/getting-starte d-with-freepages.html And http://www.genealogy-web-creations.com/planning-genealogy-website.html HTH My best wishes, Jill See website for 3 lines of JONES, KNIGHT and DAVIES http://www.muirfamily-genealogy-online.co.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:freepages-help-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ken Thompson Sent: 02 December 2011 04:30 To: FREEPAGES-HELP@rootsweb.com Subject: [FreeHelp] Website I am about to start a RootsWeb family history website. I have two questions that I hope someone can answer for me I would like to connect the website to the pedigree which I already have on Rootsweb. Exactly how can I do that ? I plan to put photos on the website. Presumably some people will want to copy the photos for their personal records. So I think the photos should be an imagine size which will copy at good quality. On the other hand, I don't want to take an excessive amount of website storage for each photos. Can someone suggest what would be a reasonable image size, in KBs, for each photo ? Ken Thompson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ken asked: "I would like to connect the website to the pedigree which I already have on Rootsweb. Exactly how can I do that ?" My suggestion: 1. Open your web editor to a page where you want the link and type in the text to serve as the link. 2. Then -- without closing the editor -- open your browser and navigate to your pedigree file. Highlight the URI and copy it (e.g., pressing Control-C) onto the clipboard. 3. Go back to your web editor and highlight the linking text. Press Control-K (or whatever command to insert a link). 4. At the dialogue box, paste the copied URI into the proper place. Or, if hand-coding the HTML, paste the URI between the quote marks of href="" in the link tag. Ken also asked: "Can someone suggest what would be a reasonable image size, in KBs, for each photo ?" He wants viewers to be able to access high-resolution images without slowing down page loading. The best way to do this is to have two versions of the image, a low-resolution version which loads with the web page and a high-res linked from the low-res. The low-res loads with the page, the high-res loads on a new page only if the viewer clicks the low-res image. Bearing in mind that everything on the page shouldn't be much more than 50 KB, your low-res image shouldn't be much bigger than 5 KB -- roughly 300 pixels in the largest dimension. If you have many images on a page, you'll need to reduce this. Your HTML code will look something like this: <.a href="path/hi-res.png"><.img src=path/low-res.gif"><./a> {without the leading dots} -rt_/)

Caroline asked: ".. would it be possible for me to add a footer to all pages in a folder, without calling it from the individual pages?" I don't know of a way to do this without making SOME change on every page. - If you use SSI, you could include the footer file in the page -- but the SSI statement must be within the page. - If you use a script, the script call must be within the page. Maybe someone's smarter than me and will suggest a method. -rt_/)

At 11:29 PM 12/1/2011, Ken Thompson wrote: >I would like to connect the website to the pedigree which I already >have on Rootsweb. Exactly how can I do that ? It depends on what you mean by "connect". You can place a link to your WC database on your web page. You can also place a search box on your web page that will search only your WC database. Instructions for adding two different customized search boxes are linked from here: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pasher/genesite.htm >I plan to put photos on the website. Presumably some people will >want to copy the photos for their personal records. So I think the >photos should be an imagine size which will copy at good quality. On >the other hand, I don't want to take an excessive amount of website >storage for each photos. Can someone suggest what would be a >reasonable image size, in KBs, for each photo ? It is less an issue of storage space (although huge image files are discouraged at Freepages) than it is an issue of download times for your visitors. Those of us with DSL or broadband connectivity forget that surfers from rural areas are often limited to dial-up connections. And many of the folks who are interested and actively researching their genealogy are from an older demographic section. They may be using a hand-me-down computer from their grandkids that is slow by current standards. There are no hard and fast rules about optimum image size, but this page may help: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pasher/scanning.htm Pat Asher

I am about to start a RootsWeb family history website. I have two questions that I hope someone can answer for me I would like to connect the website to the pedigree which I already have on Rootsweb. Exactly how can I do that ? I plan to put photos on the website. Presumably some people will want to copy the photos for their personal records. So I think the photos should be an imagine size which will copy at good quality. On the other hand, I don't want to take an excessive amount of website storage for each photos. Can someone suggest what would be a reasonable image size, in KBs, for each photo ? Ken Thompson

At 11:52 PM 12/1/2011, tilburycm@aim.com wrote: >In a way similar to that in which Rootsweb adds the header and >footer, would it be possible for me to add a footer to all pages in >a folder, without calling it from the individual pages? That is, add >a page containing a command, either into the MISC folder to be >active on all pages on my site, or into the individual directory >folders to be active on the folder's content. > >I simply don't have time to go back and add the footer to every >page, or group of pages - I don't have time to add to the site >everything stored on my HD! As Barry said, you'll have to add some coding to your pages to call the footer insert. While changing a large site is never easy, a free text editor called Notepad Lite http://www.notetab.com/ will do a find and replace in an entire directory, or even multiple directories. For example, find: <./body> and replace with: <.!--#include file="footer.txt" --><./body> You'll still have to upload all of the revised pages, but it is a quick and easy way to make the same change to multiple files at one time. Pat Asher

Good morning, In a way similar to that in which Rootsweb adds the header and footer, would it be possible for me to add a footer to all pages in a folder, without calling it from the individual pages? That is, add a page containing a command, either into the MISC folder to be active on all pages on my site, or into the individual directory folders to be active on the folder's content. I simply don't have time to go back and add the footer to every page, or group of pages - I don't have time to add to the site everything stored on my HD! Some expert coding to provide the solution would be greatly appreciated. My good wishes to all, Caroline (old e-address, still valid: tilburycm@netscape.net) ____ Poems written to celebrate Liverpool's 800th anniversary http://www.poem800.com/index.php "Tilberia" http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~cmtilbury "TheTilbury Magazine" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cmtilbury/ttm/ttm_frontpage.html AlanT's London families, including his globetrotters, & Edward-the-warehouse T http://www.arext.plus.com/ "The Bingham Line" (with HMS Tilbury in WW1) http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~bingham Every path has its puddle. NB: an e-mail message remains the Intellectual Property of the sender; traffic on this e-mail server may be normally subject to UK and French copyright law.

If you want to have your genealogy on your freepages account it's very simple to do. Most all modern genealogy programs will create a genealogy website from your database for you. Some do a fancier set of pages than others. Some are more human editable than others. Many years ago when I made my genealogy site I used a program called GED2HTML [ my genealogy program at that time didn't do it back then ]. It created simple web pages that are very easy to edit to add information and make other changes. I don't know if GED2HTML is still available but there are many others that will do the job. Google is your friend. Just upload the resulting set of pages to your account. On 11/21/2011 04:15 PM, Ralph Taylor wrote: > Mark wrote: "My problem is that I am working on a family tree website, but I > cannot find where to access the code for links to rootsweb genealogical > charts such as this one." > > Mark, a major difference between a Freepages site and a WorldConnect GEDCOM > is that > -- with WorldConnect, you supply the database and the server handles the > display coding (and search engine) for you; > -- with a Freepages site, you have to supply, not just the data, but also > the coding for display. > > The code for linking to anything on the Web is simple: > <.a href="place-to-go-to">text</a> (without the leading dot) > > To display charts or indexes, you'll probably have to create them offline > and upload the pages to your site. > > Take the first page you cited, > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~janej/Jane/Jane-o/ui10.htm > . > > Let's look at Jane's source code. In IE, click "View", then "Source". > Reading her code --look for her comment<!-- boxes --> -- she's got stuff > like this: > <.div id="a0" class="cbp csb" > style="left:12px;top:12px;width:160px;height:55px;"> > <.a href="p38.htm#i1">William Higgins</a><br><.span class="cdt"> > b. circa 1806<br>d. 3 July 1874</span></div> > > (Again, ignore the leading dots in the HTML tags.) Jane is using a > technology called CSS (for cascading style sheets). The code creates a > positioned box to display William Higgins' name and dates with a link to a > page with more info about him. CSS is standard stuff, but it can quickly get > complicated. It's just a guess, but Jane seems to have created this herself. > > > The second cited page, > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~janej/Jane/Jane-o/surname_ > index.htm > uses a definitions list (standard HTML) -- look in the source code for > <.dl class="surnames">. She's created this index herself too. > > If you want similar results, be prepared for lots of HTML and CSS coding. > There may be tools available to make it easier and I'm sure the folks on > this list can suggest some. > > I'd second Judy's suggestion: Don't try, on your Freepages site, to > duplicate what WorldConnect can do better and with less fuss. Use the > Freepages site for what WorldConnect doesn't do. > > -rt_/) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

Mark wrote: "My problem is that I am working on a family tree website, but I cannot find where to access the code for links to rootsweb genealogical charts such as this one." Mark, a major difference between a Freepages site and a WorldConnect GEDCOM is that -- with WorldConnect, you supply the database and the server handles the display coding (and search engine) for you; -- with a Freepages site, you have to supply, not just the data, but also the coding for display. The code for linking to anything on the Web is simple: <.a href="place-to-go-to">text</a> (without the leading dot) To display charts or indexes, you'll probably have to create them offline and upload the pages to your site. Take the first page you cited, http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~janej/Jane/Jane-o/ui10.htm . Let's look at Jane's source code. In IE, click "View", then "Source". Reading her code --look for her comment <!-- boxes --> -- she's got stuff like this: <.div id="a0" class="cbp csb" style="left:12px;top:12px;width:160px;height:55px;"> <.a href="p38.htm#i1">William Higgins</a><br><.span class="cdt"> b. circa 1806<br>d. 3 July 1874</span></div> (Again, ignore the leading dots in the HTML tags.) Jane is using a technology called CSS (for cascading style sheets). The code creates a positioned box to display William Higgins' name and dates with a link to a page with more info about him. CSS is standard stuff, but it can quickly get complicated. It's just a guess, but Jane seems to have created this herself. The second cited page, http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~janej/Jane/Jane-o/surname_ index.htm uses a definitions list (standard HTML) -- look in the source code for <.dl class="surnames">. She's created this index herself too. If you want similar results, be prepared for lots of HTML and CSS coding. There may be tools available to make it easier and I'm sure the folks on this list can suggest some. I'd second Judy's suggestion: Don't try, on your Freepages site, to duplicate what WorldConnect can do better and with less fuss. Use the Freepages site for what WorldConnect doesn't do. -rt_/)

At 09:30 PM 11/20/2011, Mark D. Harris wrote: >Hi, > > I have an account set up and a WorldConnect tree uploaded (harris56751, see >link below). > >http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=harris56751 > > My problem is that I am working on a family tree website, but I cannot find >where to access the code for links to rootsweb genealogical charts such as >this one. > >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~janej/Jane/Jane-o/ui10.htm Are you trying to include a link in your WorldConnect display to the Freepages site ~janej ? Insert the HTML for a link in a fact or note field, e.g. ><a >href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~janej/Jane/Jane-o/ui10.htm">William >Higgins</a> Upload the GEDCOM to WC and in WC setup, check the box to "allow HTML in GEDCOM". Pat Asher

Hi Mark, I thought freepages wasn't supposed to be used to replicate WC trees? However, if you look on the bottom of the page you cited, it says it was made by Second Site software: http://ss.johncardinal.com/ The Second Site page says, "Second Site creates web pages from a genealogy database. It generates either narrative or grid style person pages, a master index, a surname index, and source pages." Judy On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Mark D. Harris <mharris@gmx.us> wrote: > Hi, > > I have an account set up and a WorldConnect tree uploaded (harris56751, see > link below). > > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=harris56751 > > My problem is that I am working on a family tree website, but I cannot find > where to access the code for links to rootsweb genealogical charts such as > this one. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~janej/Jane/Jane-o/ui10.htm > > and a surname index one. > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~janej/Jane/Jane-o/surname_ > index.htm > > Any assistance you can provide would be greatly appreciated. > > >

Hi, I have an account set up and a WorldConnect tree uploaded (harris56751, see link below). http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=harris56751 My problem is that I am working on a family tree website, but I cannot find where to access the code for links to rootsweb genealogical charts such as this one. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~janej/Jane/Jane-o/ui10.htm and a surname index one. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~janej/Jane/Jane-o/surname_ index.htm Any assistance you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Mark Harris 1003 Cedar Street Alexandria, MN56308 (320) 491-0518 mharris@gmx.us

Roger- If you are hitting the page over and over the counter WON'T advance. It must be unique visitors -- check back after OTHERS visit your site and it should advance. Joan In a message dated 11/18/2011 2:58:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, RogerCubs@aol.com writes: I added a counter to my site. The number shows but not the name and it does not advance. What can I do to fix this problem? Roger

I added a counter to my site. The number shows but not the name and it does not advance. What can I do to fix this problem? Roger

Nowhere does Google -- or any other search engine I know of -- guarantee to return (in search results) ALL the hits found by its bots. As for the difference of file type, there is no way for the Google bot as user agent to know if the data was from an SSI or not, let alone any details of the file, such as type. Just put it down as a mystery -- a Google whim. -R. On 2011-11-15 17:46, Pat Asher wrote: > I'm trying to understand why there is a difference in the hits from > the entire Freepages server, and those from my specific account. The > specific include for this directory is an HTML file as opposed to a > TXT file. Could that be a factor? -- Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA Little Nine Partners Historical Society Trustee, Webmaster, Life Member http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nylnphs Personal website: Genealogy, et Cetera: http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dav4is/