Walter, I can help you with the Google questions. To link to any outside site or page from a Google Sites' website involves creating a link. You may add one in a navigation bar, a sidebar menu or in a page. I work with Google Sites often, if I can be of help, just ask. Lorrie On 03/21/12 08:54, Walter V. Munza wrote: > Hi, > > I have my family tree GETCOM file uploaded to RootsWeb’s WorldConnect > Project web site. I also have my Freepages at RootsWeb, but I don’t have a > webpage developed there yet. However, I do have a webpage with Google > (which I find easier to use). My question to you is, can I use my Freepages > to upload my picture files, pedigree charts, document’s, etc. and then link > them to my tree at RootsWeb? Can I also link my RootsWeb page to my Google > webpage and how do I do this? > > > Thanks,
On Thursday, March 08, 2012 6:38 AM Jim wrote:- >> However, I do have a small JavaScript that measures the total depth of >> the page and adds that as a "height" in an outer containing div. > > > Barry, > > Do you have a pointer to a page where this is used? > > I suspect problems where a user-specified minimum font size is defined in > the browser's configuration. > > Also problematic in situations where javascript is disabled, but we've > been through that already :-) > ------------------------- Jim I actually have some JavaScript variants for measuring visible page height + page depth, and a test page using Ann Scott's page is at:- http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bristowe/test/ann-scott.html On checking Ann's orginal page, I see that she has had problems placing the script, and I'll get round to sorting that out with her shortly. My preference is to use the following script - http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~bristowe/test/depth-check.js - to measure the actual page depth locally, and then include the value shown by the Alert in your CSS, e.g. #userContentFP { position:relative; height:3066px; } No need to place the script on the server, and it will only be effective locally to provide you with an updated value for your CSS if the page is changed. I haven't checked what impact a defined minimum font-size will have, but the zoom / ctrl+ feature gets catered for reasonably well. Barry
On Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:13 AM (UTC+13) Ann Scott wrote:- I am very new to uploading a page to Rootsweb. I am noticing that the Rootsweb footer is not showing up at the bottom of the page, but, rather in the middle behind my text. I have searched for extra <body> in my code and have not found any. http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kaminski/ Please let me know what I can do to fix this! -------------------- Ann, You are using "absolute positioning" for objects on your page, and as a result the Freepages Footer doesn't know where the end of you page is. This can be overcome by preferably changing your layout to "relative positioning" where each element follows on from the next, and the </body> tag is then actually at the end of the page. However, I do have a small JavaScript that measures the total depth of the page and adds that as a "height" in an outer containing div. That tells the Footer where it can go. Let me know what you'd like to do. Barry
I am very new to uploading a page to Rootsweb. I am noticing that the Rootsweb footer is not showing up at the bottom of the page, but, rather in the middle behind my text. I have searched for extra <body> in my code and have not found any. http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kaminski/ Please let me know what I can do to fix this! Thanks in advance!
On Friday, March 02, 2012 5:56 AM (UTC+13) Claire wrote:- > My FTP software does not offer any options along these lines. I am not > having any trouble with other sites with multiple people uploading like > Rootsweb and my software test settings are accepted. > ------------------------- Claire, ClassicFTP only operates in Passive mode. Your FTP Server is - users.freepages.rootsweb.com and the remote directory path for 'genealogy' is - /genealogy_html/ I suspect you already have those settings, and as the FTP client is Windows and Mac compatible, I suggest that you try connecting to the server using the Internet Explorer FTP client - as a check. Barry
At 11:56 AM 3/1/2012, Claire Moran wrote: >Thank you, Pat, for your quick reply. My System (Apple Snow Leopard >10.6.8) setting is set to: 'Use Passive FTP Mode (PASV). >My FTP software does not offer any options along these lines. I am >not having any trouble with other sites with multiple people >uploading like Rootsweb and my software test settings are accepted. > >I am at a loss..... Does your program create a session log? If you can send us a copy .... Pat Asher
Thank you, Pat, for your quick reply. My System (Apple Snow Leopard 10.6.8) setting is set to: 'Use Passive FTP Mode (PASV). My FTP software does not offer any options along these lines. I am not having any trouble with other sites with multiple people uploading like Rootsweb and my software test settings are accepted. I am at a loss..... Claire On Mar 1, 2012, at 3:00 AM, freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. > ***FREEPAGES HELP & FAQ*** > <http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/FAQ/fpindex.html> > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Using an FTP Program to upload (Claire Moran) > 2. Re: Using an FTP Program to upload (Pat Asher) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:02:12 -0500 > From: Claire Moran <crm555@gmail.com> > Subject: [FreeHelp] Using an FTP Program to upload > To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <C40C7379-676F-4136-8C19-70289C5AEEBD@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I have been trying to upload changes to my site using "ClassicFTP" , a file transfer program. I get the status: "Queuing file: masterfile" but the program has been running for more than 30 minutes and no files have uploaded. The Site is fully set up. Is there something special that needs to be done? > > Claire > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:06:22 -0500 > From: Pat Asher <pjroots@att.net> > Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Using an FTP Program to upload > To: Freepages-Help <Freepages-Help@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <673361.84297.qm@smtp103.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 03:02 PM 2/29/2012, Claire Moran wrote: >> I have been trying to upload changes to my site using "ClassicFTP" , >> a file transfer program. I get the status: "Queuing >> file: masterfile" but the program has been running for more than >> 30 minutes and no files have uploaded. The Site is fully set >> up. Is there something special that needs to be done? > > Have you configured your FTP program for passive transfers? If not, > the firewalls on the server will block most file transfers. > > > Pat Asher > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the FREEPAGES-HELP list administrator, send an email to > FREEPAGES-HELP-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the FREEPAGES-HELP mailing list, send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 7, Issue 20 > *********************************************
Thank you, Pat, for your quick reply. I have searched all over my FTP program (ClassicFTP by NCH software) for an option to set it to "passive" but cannot locate one. I will continue to try to find out through their message boards. I have also posted a message on the MAC support groups boards to see if there is anything I should be doing in that area. I will post if I find out anything. Claire On Mar 1, 2012, at 3:00 AM, freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. > ***FREEPAGES HELP & FAQ*** > <http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/FAQ/fpindex.html> > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Using an FTP Program to upload (Claire Moran) > 2. Re: Using an FTP Program to upload (Pat Asher) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:02:12 -0500 > From: Claire Moran <crm555@gmail.com> > Subject: [FreeHelp] Using an FTP Program to upload > To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <C40C7379-676F-4136-8C19-70289C5AEEBD@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I have been trying to upload changes to my site using "ClassicFTP" , a file transfer program. I get the status: "Queuing file: masterfile" but the program has been running for more than 30 minutes and no files have uploaded. The Site is fully set up. Is there something special that needs to be done? > > Claire > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:06:22 -0500 > From: Pat Asher <pjroots@att.net> > Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Using an FTP Program to upload > To: Freepages-Help <Freepages-Help@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <673361.84297.qm@smtp103.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 03:02 PM 2/29/2012, Claire Moran wrote: >> I have been trying to upload changes to my site using "ClassicFTP" , >> a file transfer program. I get the status: "Queuing >> file: masterfile" but the program has been running for more than >> 30 minutes and no files have uploaded. The Site is fully set >> up. Is there something special that needs to be done? > > Have you configured your FTP program for passive transfers? If not, > the firewalls on the server will block most file transfers. > > > Pat Asher > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the FREEPAGES-HELP list administrator, send an email to > FREEPAGES-HELP-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the FREEPAGES-HELP mailing list, send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 7, Issue 20 > *********************************************
At 06:33 AM 3/1/2012, Kapauner Lewis wrote: >I applied for a web page for the clarksonadamsreunion. I received >strange messages but no answer to my query. Please inform. > >Kapauner Lewis =================== You are receiving this message because you did sign up for freepages space and are sutomatically signed up for the mailing list. The space has been granted http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~clarksonadamsreunion/ so check you junk mail for the welcoming letter with all of your signon information. You also may find this helpful to get you started. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gearyfamily/rootsweb-freepages-ebook.html pat
I applied for a web page for the clarksonadamsreunion. I received strange messages but no answer to my query. Please inform. Kapauner Lewis ----- Original Message ----- From: freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 3:00:28 AM Subject: FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 7, Issue 20 When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. ***FREEPAGES HELP & FAQ*** <http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/FAQ/fpindex.html> Today's Topics: 1. Using an FTP Program to upload (Claire Moran) 2. Re: Using an FTP Program to upload (Pat Asher) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:02:12 -0500 From: Claire Moran <crm555@gmail.com> Subject: [FreeHelp] Using an FTP Program to upload To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <C40C7379-676F-4136-8C19-70289C5AEEBD@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have been trying to upload changes to my site using "ClassicFTP" , a file transfer program. I get the status: "Queuing file: masterfile" but the program has been running for more than 30 minutes and no files have uploaded. The Site is fully set up. Is there something special that needs to be done? Claire ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:06:22 -0500 From: Pat Asher <pjroots@att.net> Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Using an FTP Program to upload To: Freepages-Help <Freepages-Help@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <673361.84297.qm@smtp103.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:02 PM 2/29/2012, Claire Moran wrote: >I have been trying to upload changes to my site using "ClassicFTP" , >a file transfer program. I get the status: "Queuing >file: masterfile" but the program has been running for more than >30 minutes and no files have uploaded. The Site is fully set >up. Is there something special that needs to be done? Have you configured your FTP program for passive transfers? If not, the firewalls on the server will block most file transfers. Pat Asher ------------------------------ To contact the FREEPAGES-HELP list administrator, send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the FREEPAGES-HELP mailing list, send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 7, Issue 20 *********************************************
At 03:02 PM 2/29/2012, Claire Moran wrote: >I have been trying to upload changes to my site using "ClassicFTP" , >a file transfer program. I get the status: "Queuing >file: masterfile" but the program has been running for more than >30 minutes and no files have uploaded. The Site is fully set >up. Is there something special that needs to be done? Have you configured your FTP program for passive transfers? If not, the firewalls on the server will block most file transfers. Pat Asher
I have been trying to upload changes to my site using "ClassicFTP" , a file transfer program. I get the status: "Queuing file: masterfile" but the program has been running for more than 30 minutes and no files have uploaded. The Site is fully set up. Is there something special that needs to be done? Claire
unsubscribe> From: freepages-help-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 7, Issue 18 > To: freepages-help@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 01:00:27 -0700 > > > > When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. > ***FREEPAGES HELP & FAQ*** > <http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/FAQ/fpindex.html> > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: The basic HTML Document (Barry Carlson) > 2. Other "boilerplate" html (Ralph Taylor) > 3. Re: Other "boilerplate" html (Barry Carlson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:40:43 +1300 > From: "Barry Carlson" <barrycarls@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] The basic HTML Document > To: "Joe - Wakefield" <joe.wakefield.uk@gmail.com> > Cc: FREEPAGES-HELP@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <0F4E87B073DB47E7A6D97856B305DED1@VirtualXP27465> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > On Saturday, February 25, 2012 7:29 PM (UTC+13) > Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] The basic HTML Document > > > > Using HTML5 (which is what this code is) causes errors in the footer > > inserted by Rootsweb. > > cellpadding, cellspacing and border are creating these invalidations. > > Can this be rectified, please. > > > > Joe > --------------------------- > Joe, > > I've had some further thoughts about the xhtml FreePages footer, and > realized that the <table> mark-up used is rather dated. Current practice is > to use a standard <div> mark-up and CSS to display:table, > display:table-row and display:table-cell. > > A HTML5 version has resulted in much simpler mark-up and less CSS, but it > only works in the W3C compliant browsers, and IE7 and earlier get left out. > > http://countjustonce.com/test/rw-footer-w3c.html > > To fix the usual problems, IE only Conditional Comments are used to place a > table round the existing mark-up, insert a min-width substitute and finally > fix a margin issue endemic in IE7. This version now renders well using > Windows 7 in IE10pp2 through to IE5.01 > > http://countjustonce.com/test/rw-footer-all.html > > Barry > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:21:31 -0700 > From: "Ralph Taylor" <rt-sails@comcast.net> > Subject: [FreeHelp] Other "boilerplate" html > To: <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <A8EBAEDDB55748319838EBB157E1CD9C@Ralphs> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I'd like to thank Barry and Pat for this conversation. It's refreshing to > see a new standard that, for a change, makes life simpler. > > If I read Barry's "No requirement.." correctly, it means all that extra > stuff isn't needed in the HTML5 standard. We no longer need to choose > between "strict" and "transitional" nor tell the browser where to find the > definitions. > > About character sets, the "charset=" declaration: > You may recall that I had a problem a while ago with included files > displaying garbage characters. (Gosh, you wouldn't think plain text could be > so complicated.) > > After much head-scratching and asking here, it seemed to be caused by a > mismatch in character sets; the included files used a different character > set than the one specified for the including doc. The problem was resolved > only after changing the charset declaration in the doc head from > "iso-8859-1" to "utf-8" and saving the included files in utf-8 format. > > Thanks, > -rt_/) > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:22:27 +1300 > From: "Barry Carlson" <barrycarls@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Other "boilerplate" html > To: <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <D737B4713F5B4266A6A4FF376AEA04CA@VirtualXP27465> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:21 AM (UTC+13)Ralph wrote: > > > > > > If I read Barry's "No requirement.." correctly, it means all that extra > > stuff isn't needed in the HTML5 standard. We no longer need to choose > > between "strict" and "transitional" nor tell the browser where to find the > > definitions. > > > ------------------------------ > Ralph, > > That is right. Put another way, it does no harm to include them, nor if you > don't. > > When you validate pages at:- > > http://validator.nu > > - you may find errors with some of your meta tags, e.g. > > <meta name="copyright" content="Sing A Song Of Sixpence Co. Inc"> > > There is most likely no problem with the same tags when validated as HTML4, > and the reason for them failing in the HTML5 validator is they haven't as > yet not all been included in the Standard, and "copyright" is just one of > those. > > My advice is to just ignore those sort of errors as they will eventually be > resolved. > > As I have mentioned earlier; where a page validated as XHTML1.0 Strict, the > same page when equipped with the HTML5 <!DOCTYPE html> will also be rendered > in Strict mode irrespective of some minor HTML5 validation errors. > > Barry > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the FREEPAGES-HELP list administrator, send an email to > FREEPAGES-HELP-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the FREEPAGES-HELP mailing list, send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEPAGES-HELP-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 7, Issue 18 > *********************************************
On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:21 AM (UTC+13)Ralph wrote: > > If I read Barry's "No requirement.." correctly, it means all that extra > stuff isn't needed in the HTML5 standard. We no longer need to choose > between "strict" and "transitional" nor tell the browser where to find the > definitions. > ------------------------------ Ralph, That is right. Put another way, it does no harm to include them, nor if you don't. When you validate pages at:- http://validator.nu - you may find errors with some of your meta tags, e.g. <meta name="copyright" content="Sing A Song Of Sixpence Co. Inc"> There is most likely no problem with the same tags when validated as HTML4, and the reason for them failing in the HTML5 validator is they haven't as yet not all been included in the Standard, and "copyright" is just one of those. My advice is to just ignore those sort of errors as they will eventually be resolved. As I have mentioned earlier; where a page validated as XHTML1.0 Strict, the same page when equipped with the HTML5 <!DOCTYPE html> will also be rendered in Strict mode irrespective of some minor HTML5 validation errors. Barry
Thanks Barry, With that implemented it should make it easier to spot errors when validating pages on the web rather than by file upload to validator.w3.org. I've also noticed that when checking valid links with the W3 link checker ( http://validator.w3.org/checklink ), the links in the footer are all redirected and give a 'broken link'. warning (not an error). Do they also need updating? If so, now would be a good time; while changing the tables to div. Joe Wakefield On 27 February 2012 08:40, Barry Carlson <barrycarls@gmail.com> wrote: > On Saturday, February 25, 2012 7:29 PM (UTC+13) > Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] The basic HTML Document > > > Using HTML5 (which is what this code is) causes errors in the footer >> inserted by Rootsweb. >> cellpadding, cellspacing and border are creating these invalidations. >> Can this be rectified, please. >> >> Joe >> > --------------------------- > Joe, > > I've had some further thoughts about the xhtml FreePages footer, and > realized that the <table> mark-up used is rather dated. Current practice is > to use a standard <div> mark-up and CSS to display:table, > display:table-row and display:table-cell. > > A HTML5 version has resulted in much simpler mark-up and less CSS, but it > only works in the W3C compliant browsers, and IE7 and earlier get left out. > > http://countjustonce.com/test/**rw-footer-w3c.html<http://countjustonce.com/test/rw-footer-w3c.html> > > To fix the usual problems, IE only Conditional Comments are used to place > a table round the existing mark-up, insert a min-width substitute and > finally fix a margin issue endemic in IE7. This version now renders well > using Windows 7 in IE10pp2 through to IE5.01 > > http://countjustonce.com/test/**rw-footer-all.html<http://countjustonce.com/test/rw-footer-all.html> > > Barry >
On Saturday, February 25, 2012 7:29 PM (UTC+13) Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] The basic HTML Document > Using HTML5 (which is what this code is) causes errors in the footer > inserted by Rootsweb. > cellpadding, cellspacing and border are creating these invalidations. > Can this be rectified, please. > > Joe --------------------------- Joe, I've had some further thoughts about the xhtml FreePages footer, and realized that the <table> mark-up used is rather dated. Current practice is to use a standard <div> mark-up and CSS to display:table, display:table-row and display:table-cell. A HTML5 version has resulted in much simpler mark-up and less CSS, but it only works in the W3C compliant browsers, and IE7 and earlier get left out. http://countjustonce.com/test/rw-footer-w3c.html To fix the usual problems, IE only Conditional Comments are used to place a table round the existing mark-up, insert a min-width substitute and finally fix a margin issue endemic in IE7. This version now renders well using Windows 7 in IE10pp2 through to IE5.01 http://countjustonce.com/test/rw-footer-all.html Barry
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:47:24 +1300 From: "Barry Carlson" <barrycarls@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Other "boilerplate" html To: <freepages-help@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <AEAF0A5BD33645ECB92E9B79483FE164@VirtualXP27465> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Charlie, The following covers the points you raised, and more. HTML5 is much less restrictive and therefore easier to write than XHTML 1.0. No requirement to declare the namespace uri, e.g. "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd" with the doctype. No requirement to add type attributes to script and style elements - the browser determines the defaults itself. No requirement to add //<![CDATA[ etc. to included scripts or stylesheets for them to validate. No requirement to use a long doctype such as - <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> - now where do I have to go to find that?! Even I can remember <!DOCTYPE html>. No requirement to choose to include or not include a DTD URI in the DOCTYPE (mentioned in the first point) and neither is there a requirement to choose between Transitional and Strict mark-up. Using HTML5 <!DOCTYPE html> gives you a Strict doctype that triggers full Standards mode. Quirks mode rendering by browsers is a thing of the past. A simple character set declaration - <meta charset="utf-8"> ** Use http://validator.nu designed simply to handle HTML5, and which is not constricted by confusing Document Type Declarations. XHTML frowned upon tags such as <embed> are permitted. Over-all the syntax is cleaner, with no requirement to self-close single tags such as <img>, <br>, <hr> etc.. and as well as hosting the new HTML5, it allows legacy browsers render all of the code "they understand" in Standards mode. Note: ** <meta charset="iso-8859-1"> is an option, but "utf8" covers everything that "iso-8859-1" does, and more. My challenge is; Take a valid XHTML 1.0 Strict page, change the doctype to <!DOCTYPE html> and remove the extraneous stuff from the <html> tag. Let me know if the page doesn't render exactly the same as previously. Barry Hi Barry, I'm not sure if the challenge was to me personally, but I accepted it anyway. :-) I changed to the much simpler !DOCTYPE html and also switched to utf-8. Just as you predicted, there was no observable difference using either Firefox 10.0.2 or IE 7. Admittedly my one website is rather simple at the moment, and is really just a sort of placeholder until I learn enough to flesh it out. I've not checked it with Chrome or any other browser. I had Chrome installed for a while, but removed it after I discovered it had installed a couple of processes without my permission. I gather that these run at startup and then just sit there forever taking up resources. :-( OK, not much in the way of resources, but the arrogance represented by software that does that just ticks me off. -- Later, Charlie C. In God We Trust!!!
I'd like to thank Barry and Pat for this conversation. It's refreshing to see a new standard that, for a change, makes life simpler. If I read Barry's "No requirement.." correctly, it means all that extra stuff isn't needed in the HTML5 standard. We no longer need to choose between "strict" and "transitional" nor tell the browser where to find the definitions. About character sets, the "charset=" declaration: You may recall that I had a problem a while ago with included files displaying garbage characters. (Gosh, you wouldn't think plain text could be so complicated.) After much head-scratching and asking here, it seemed to be caused by a mismatch in character sets; the included files used a different character set than the one specified for the including doc. The problem was resolved only after changing the charset declaration in the doc head from "iso-8859-1" to "utf-8" and saving the included files in utf-8 format. Thanks, -rt_/)
Charlie, The following covers the points you raised, and more. HTML5 is much less restrictive and therefore easier to write than XHTML 1.0. No requirement to declare the namespace uri, e.g. "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd" with the doctype. No requirement to add type attributes to script and style elements - the browser determines the defaults itself. No requirement to add //<![CDATA[ etc. to included scripts or stylesheets for them to validate. No requirement to use a long doctype such as - <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> - now where do I have to go to find that?! Even I can remember <!DOCTYPE html>. No requirement to choose to include or not include a DTD URI in the DOCTYPE (mentioned in the first point) and neither is there a requirement to choose between Transitional and Strict mark-up. Using HTML5 <!DOCTYPE html> gives you a Strict doctype that triggers full Standards mode. Quirks mode rendering by browsers is a thing of the past. A simple character set declaration - <meta charset="utf-8"> ** Use http://validator.nu designed simply to handle HTML5, and which is not constricted by confusing Document Type Declarations. XHTML frowned upon tags such as <embed> are permitted. Over-all the syntax is cleaner, with no requirement to self-close single tags such as <img>, <br>, <hr> etc.. and as well as hosting the new HTML5, it allows legacy browsers render all of the code "they understand" in Standards mode. Note: ** <meta charset="iso-8859-1"> is an option, but "utf8" covers everything that "iso-8859-1" does, and more. My challenge is; Take a valid XHTML 1.0 Strict page, change the doctype to <!DOCTYPE html> and remove the extraneous stuff from the <html> tag. Let me know if the page doesn't render exactly the same as previously. Barry ================ Pat, I have, like you, also scripted pages in XHTML1.0 Strict and agree that format is rigid but satisfying after a good outcome. I'm lazy by nature, and HTML5 fits my life-style! Barry
>Kind folks, >I found this discussion quite interesting. In addition to the <!DOCTYPE >html> "boilerplate" text, I have some other stuff prior to the <head> >section that I don't fully understand. I'm pretty sure it came from an >example a friend of mine gave me, or that I found somewhere. My three >pre-head lines look like this: ><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" >"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> >I was just wondering if anyone sees anything harmful or >inappropriate there? I also notice that instead of in the head >section, I have: I guess I have the same set of questions regarding >the appropriateness of that. -- Thanks, Charlie ================= What you see is the XHTML strict doctype and is perfectly fine. For anyone who wants to know more on doctypes see: http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_doctype.asp http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html http://htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/doctype.html Most of the folks I work with, including myself, use the XHTML Transitional of Strict doctype. Pat Pat Geary Working With Rootsweb FreePages Accounts EBook (free) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gearyfamily/rootsweb-freepages-ebook.html