Didn't mean for this to go to the list. My list message says a lot of the same thing. Linda Linda Haas Davenport my Home Page: http://www.lhaasdav.com My Marion Co AR page: http://www.argenweb.net/marion/ my Tulsa OK Page: http://www.tulsaokhistory.com -----Original Message----- From: Linda Haas Davenport via Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 4:32 AM To: Billie Walsh ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Where does #content go in an html page? I used Word 97 to build my first web pages. It code was fairly clean back then. Then I learned to tweak it and then I started writing code by hand because it was faster than messing with tweaking/cleaning up Word. CSS is harder to me. Maybe because I didn't have a page generated for me to use as an example. The W3schools have great examples, but they are just a example of how a snippet works. I also spent time on the CSS tricks site because they showed more. I looked at a lot of sites, but didn't find one that was close to what I want to do. That's why I've spent so much time on my little newspaper master page. Once I get the fundamentals to work I can add things as I need them and when the page doesn't work I know I have only that one thing to figure out. Also what I want in my CSS is really only the stuff, like my SSI includes, that I (or whoever takes over my websites) can easily change to change the look of the site without having to change every blasted page. For the rest I'll use html. Thanks for your help Billie it's appreciated. Linda Linda Haas Davenport my Home Page: http://www.lhaasdav.com My Marion Co AR page: http://www.argenweb.net/marion/ my Tulsa OK Page: http://www.tulsaokhistory.com -----Original Message----- From: Billie Walsh via Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 4:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Where does #content go in an html page? Sometimes I'll just look till I find something that looks like it might be able to do what I want. Then I'll copy their example onto a page and play with it. Sometimes it works out as I want and sometimes it doesn't. Just reading their stuff doesn't really help me. It's when I have it and am digging in and making changes to see what changes take place that I really learn. That's how I first learned HTML and am now learning styles. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10219 - Release Date: 07/13/15

I used Word 97 to build my first web pages. It code was fairly clean back then. Then I learned to tweak it and then I started writing code by hand because it was faster than messing with tweaking/cleaning up Word. CSS is harder to me. Maybe because I didn't have a page generated for me to use as an example. The W3schools have great examples, but they are just a example of how a snippet works. I also spent time on the CSS tricks site because they showed more. I looked at a lot of sites, but didn't find one that was close to what I want to do. That's why I've spent so much time on my little newspaper master page. Once I get the fundamentals to work I can add things as I need them and when the page doesn't work I know I have only that one thing to figure out. Also what I want in my CSS is really only the stuff, like my SSI includes, that I (or whoever takes over my websites) can easily change to change the look of the site without having to change every blasted page. For the rest I'll use html. Thanks for your help Billie it's appreciated. Linda Linda Haas Davenport my Home Page: http://www.lhaasdav.com My Marion Co AR page: http://www.argenweb.net/marion/ my Tulsa OK Page: http://www.tulsaokhistory.com -----Original Message----- From: Billie Walsh via Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 4:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Where does #content go in an html page? Sometimes I'll just look till I find something that looks like it might be able to do what I want. Then I'll copy their example onto a page and play with it. Sometimes it works out as I want and sometimes it doesn't. Just reading their stuff doesn't really help me. It's when I have it and am digging in and making changes to see what changes take place that I really learn. That's how I first learned HTML and am now learning styles.

Linda, I'm a "show me - then do it" learner. I can read and understand the words on most subjects. But for doings, especially website making, the info doesn't translate to doing. Only when Barry clearly told me "this goes here" and gave examples, then I finally started getting it. Then, the more I did what he showed, I started noticing what was wrong when I messed up and how to fix it. The "show me--I'll do it" is a valid learning style. But these online tutorials are too narrow and dry for me. Once Barry showed me, THEN the W3 school "try it" made sense, more than it ever did before. I've learned more of Ext CSS in 8 months than I learned in the first 6 years. Of course, the first 6 yrs I learned most of HTML and got my feet wet with page styles etc. But somehow learning CSS also helped me understand much more about plain html. Judy

Sometimes I'll just look till I find something that looks like it might be able to do what I want. Then I'll copy their example onto a page and play with it. Sometimes it works out as I want and sometimes it doesn't. Just reading their stuff doesn't really help me. It's when I have it and am digging in and making changes to see what changes take place that I really learn. That's how I first learned HTML and am now learning styles. On 07/12/2015 03:28 PM, List Admin FPH via wrote: > At 04:21 PM 7/12/2015, Linda Haas Davenport via wrote: >> I've been through all of both the CSS and HTML pages and examples. They are >> great but sometimes the examples are just not quite will help me. I do go >> back there before I come here. > Linda, sometimes you can read a tutorial 15 times and it still > doesn't make sense. Then you ask on this list and someone uses words > that resonate with you and make it all clear. > > By all means, bookmark resources for HTML and CSS syntax and refer to > them often. Most of us do <g> But never hesitate to ask about what > you don't understand. > > Pat Asher > List Admin > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

Thanks Barry I'll try that. Linda Linda Haas Davenport my Home Page: http://www.lhaasdav.com My Marion Co AR page: http://www.argenweb.net/marion/ my Tulsa OK Page: http://www.tulsaokhistory.com -----Original Message----- From: Barry Carlson Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:53 PM To: [email protected] ; Linda Haas Davenport Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Distance between paragraphs help please Linda, In the head section of your page the is an embedded style:- <style> p{margin:4px 0;} </style> Try changing the 4px to 16px. When happy with the result, you can remove the style from the page and place it in your stylesheet. Barry ---------------- On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 08:19:05 +1200, Linda Haas Davenport via <[email protected]> wrote: > I don’t have any P classes set to any specific height anywhere else. > How do I go about fixing the space between the paragraphs so I get the > normal extra blank line? ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10215 - Release Date: 07/12/15

At 04:21 PM 7/12/2015, Linda Haas Davenport via wrote: >I've been through all of both the CSS and HTML pages and examples. They are >great but sometimes the examples are just not quite will help me. I do go >back there before I come here. Linda, sometimes you can read a tutorial 15 times and it still doesn't make sense. Then you ask on this list and someone uses words that resonate with you and make it all clear. By all means, bookmark resources for HTML and CSS syntax and refer to them often. Most of us do <g> But never hesitate to ask about what you don't understand. Pat Asher List Admin

Ralph's comments bring another question to my mind. I am working on a Goodspeed transcription and the length of sections vary widely. This one http://argenweb.net/benton/history/goodspeed20.html is fairly long and requires about 15 scroll downs on a 1366x768 screen -- still the most used display size. I am still debating whether to divide it. However, I am also converting the site to be mobile-friendly, and the same page requires almost 50 scroll downs to read all of the main content on an IPhone5. In addition to the 50kb rule (based on download speeds), we used to be told the best pages should require no more than 5 scroll downs. How does this convert to the mobile world? Are 50 too many -- or do mobile users not mind flicking the screen repeatedly? Or do they not even search for and read these kind of pages? Thoughts? Pat A. At 03:18 PM 7/12/2015, Ralph Taylor via wrote: >You are, though, somewhat constrained by viewers' screens. You want to >minimize scrolling, especially avoiding horizontal scrolling. > >Then, there's download time to consider. How long does it take the page (and >all its "stuff") to load so viewers can see it? If they have to wait too >long, they might click away before the page comes up. (A recent newspaper >article indicated that this behavior was on the increase and attributed it >to bad site designs. Yes, it happens in the commercial world.) > >So we think in computer and network terms, bits and bytes going through >pipes. Before broadband was so common and download speeds were about 2.4 Kbs >(Kilobits per second), we used to have consensus that a page (with images, >etc.) shouldn't be more than ~50 KB (kilobytes). That's still a heck of a >lot of text. > >Nowadays, download speeds average 6-12 MBs (MegaBytes per second), >2,500-5,000 times faster. I think that means pages can be bigger. We're no >longer limited to 50 KB, which would load much faster than a blink.

I've been through all of both the CSS and HTML pages and examples. They are great but sometimes the examples are just not quite will help me. I do go back there before I come here. Linda Linda Haas Davenport my Home Page: http://www.lhaasdav.com My Marion Co AR page: http://www.argenweb.net/marion/ my Tulsa OK Page: http://www.tulsaokhistory.com -----Original Message----- From: Billie Walsh via Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 2:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Where does #content go in an html page? There are two W3C pages that I rely on heavily http://www.w3schools.com/tags/ For help with HTML tags http://www.w3schools.com/cssref/ For help with CSS With those two pages and Barry I have learned a LOT. Thank you Barry.

On this page - http://www.tulsaokhistory.com/newspapers/masterpage-newspapers.html there is not enough space between paragraphs or on the menu on the left (pulled in with a SSI include) <div id="left"> <!--#include virtual="/xnews.html"--> </div> (xnews = http://www.tulsaokhistory.com/xnews.html ) On this sytlesheet - http://www.tulsaokhistory.com/tulsastylesheet.css for #content I have the line height set for 1.25em I don’t have any P classes set to any specific height anywhere else. How do I go about fixing the space between the paragraphs so I get the normal extra blank line? Thanks! Linda Linda Haas Davenport my Home Page: http://www.lhaasdav.com My Marion Co AR page: http://www.argenweb.net/marion/ my Tulsa OK Page: http://www.tulsaokhistory.com

You would add a <div> tag to your page and app the id content so <...div id="content"> content goes her</div> http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_div.asp http://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/div-containers.html pat -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Linda Haas Davenport via Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 2:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [FreeHelp] Where does #content go in an html page? I have #content defined in my style sheet like this: #content { display:block; height:100%; max-height:100%; overflow:auto; padding-left:200px; position:relative; font-family: arial, geneva, helvetica, helv, sans-serif; font-size:1em; color: #000080; line-height:1.25em; } Now the question becomes where do I reference this in my html page so that those attributes are used in the page when it is displayed?

Thanks Pat that really helps. Linda Linda Haas Davenport my Home Page: http://www.lhaasdav.com My Marion Co AR page: http://www.argenweb.net/marion/ my Tulsa OK Page: http://www.tulsaokhistory.com -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Geary Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 1:39 PM To: 'Linda Haas Davenport' ; [email protected] Subject: RE: [FreeHelp] Where does #content go in an html page? You would add a <div> tag to your page and app the id content so <...div id="content"> content goes her</div> http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_div.asp http://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/div-containers.html pat -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Linda Haas Davenport via Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 2:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [FreeHelp] Where does #content go in an html page? I have #content defined in my style sheet like this: #content { display:block; height:100%; max-height:100%; overflow:auto; padding-left:200px; position:relative; font-family: arial, geneva, helvetica, helv, sans-serif; font-size:1em; color: #000080; line-height:1.25em; } Now the question becomes where do I reference this in my html page so that those attributes are used in the page when it is displayed? ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10215 - Release Date: 07/12/15

There are two W3C pages that I rely on heavily http://www.w3schools.com/tags/ For help with HTML tags http://www.w3schools.com/cssref/ For help with CSS With those two pages and Barry I have learned a LOT. Thank you Barry. On 07/12/2015 01:05 PM, Linda Haas Davenport via wrote: > I have #content defined in my style sheet like this: > > #content { > display:block; > height:100%; > max-height:100%; > overflow:auto; > padding-left:200px; > position:relative; > font-family: arial, geneva, helvetica, helv, sans-serif; > font-size:1em; > color: #000080; > line-height:1.25em; > } > > Now the question becomes where do I reference this in my html page so that those attributes are used in the page when it is displayed? > > A long search of the web didn’t turn up any help. Apparently one of things “everybody is assumed to know”. > > Thanks > Linda > > > Linda Haas Davenport > my Home Page: http://www.lhaasdav.com > My Marion Co AR page: http://www.argenweb.net/marion/ > my Tulsa OK Page: http://www.tulsaokhistory.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

Whoops – Barry answered this for me in my 1st request for help. Sorry I lost it somewhere along the way. Linda Linda Haas Davenport my Home Page: http://www.lhaasdav.com My Marion Co AR page: http://www.argenweb.net/marion/ my Tulsa OK Page: http://www.tulsaokhistory.com From: Linda Haas Davenport Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 1:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Where does #content go in an html page? I have #content defined in my style sheet like this: #content { display:block; height:100%; max-height:100%; overflow:auto; padding-left:200px; position:relative; font-family: arial, geneva, helvetica, helv, sans-serif; font-size:1em; color: #000080; line-height:1.25em; } Now the question becomes where do I reference this in my html page so that those attributes are used in the page when it is displayed? A long search of the web didn’t turn up any help. Apparently one of things “everybody is assumed to know”. Thanks Linda Linda Haas Davenport my Home Page: http://www.lhaasdav.com My Marion Co AR page: http://www.argenweb.net/marion/ my Tulsa OK Page: http://www.tulsaokhistory.com

Let's take some other perspectives on "How long should a Web page be?" BTW, it's not a dumb question, but an important one. The main point is that the medium is not print-on-paper, but text and images on a computer screen. So you're not restricted to standard paper sizes. You are, though, somewhat constrained by viewers' screens. You want to minimize scrolling, especially avoiding horizontal scrolling. Then, there's download time to consider. How long does it take the page (and all its "stuff") to load so viewers can see it? If they have to wait too long, they might click away before the page comes up. (A recent newspaper article indicated that this behavior was on the increase and attributed it to bad site designs. Yes, it happens in the commercial world.) So we think in computer and network terms, bits and bytes going through pipes. Before broadband was so common and download speeds were about 2.4 Kbs (Kilobits per second), we used to have consensus that a page (with images, etc.) shouldn't be more than ~50 KB (kilobytes). That's still a heck of a lot of text. Nowadays, download speeds average 6-12 MBs (MegaBytes per second), 2,500-5,000 times faster. I think that means pages can be bigger. We're no longer limited to 50 KB, which would load much faster than a blink. You can also think in qualitative terms: * A sentence should consist of a complete thought. * A paragraph should consist of related sentences and thoughts. * A page should consist of related paragraphs to tell a complete story. The story may be short and simple or it may be long and complex. The page telling it should be as long as it needs to be and no longer. At the end of the page, the reader should be left feeling "I understand" without feeling bored. In the final analysis, the size of a page is up to its author. -rt_/) PS -- Two foolscap pages sounds (depending on how big or small you write) like about 200 words, a small page.

I have #content defined in my style sheet like this: #content { display:block; height:100%; max-height:100%; overflow:auto; padding-left:200px; position:relative; font-family: arial, geneva, helvetica, helv, sans-serif; font-size:1em; color: #000080; line-height:1.25em; } Now the question becomes where do I reference this in my html page so that those attributes are used in the page when it is displayed? A long search of the web didn’t turn up any help. Apparently one of things “everybody is assumed to know”. Thanks Linda Linda Haas Davenport my Home Page: http://www.lhaasdav.com My Marion Co AR page: http://www.argenweb.net/marion/ my Tulsa OK Page: http://www.tulsaokhistory.com

I know and I do apologise for the idiot question .....but like you I have a heck of a story to tell !!! so will get going .......I did try to create a page and seemed to do all that it asked of me, but can`t see it anywhere on Bennett1 ???? it was just a test sentence to see if it worked !!! And now I have a photo to upload !!!! I can see this might be the straw that breaks the camel`s back !!! But will keep working at it . -----Original Message----- From: Billie Walsh via Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 2:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] PAGES ? That's kind of like asking how big is big. Here's one example: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wytttp/history/bartlett2/don_l_wakeman.htm Here's the other extreme: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~okcslsa/index.html Admittedly, it's a little long. But, it has a lot of story to tell. On 07/11/2015 03:59 AM, elizgh via wrote: > Hi again , I see someone has asked a “ > dumb” question and this prompts me to ask a further dumb question.....how > long is a page ? please . I have hand written about 2 foolscap pages > from my paper files to add to the Bennetts of Greenwich website ...and now > wonder if it will fit in on the existing webpages ? I see that there is a > Bennett 1 and a Bennett 2 on the WYSIWYG page and I have added and > corrected sentences on both pages, but now have this much longer > information to go on. If you think I am up to it , I would , under > supervision , have a crack at creating a page. Thanks. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Your pages look great. What I am working on is a list of the Davenports in the counties surrounding Albemarle Sound in NC. My husband’s ancestor was one of the very early settlers to the area. Like so many areas there are tons of men with the same first name. To try to sort out the family lines of all the Davenports I’ve compiled a list of all the Davenports mentioned in any kind of source record I've been able to find. There are actually two lists: one in date order and one in first name order - i.e.: 1693-08-07 07 Aug 1693 Richard Witness for son-in-law John Foster Clicking on Richard’s name opens the source information for that particular listing - i.e.: 07 Aug 1693: Perquimans Precinct: Articles of agreement; between John Foster, of Perq Pre'ct, planter & Stephen Paine of afsd—Joint Partners from henceforth, during their natual lives” each binds himself unto the other, in the sum of £50 Sterling. Test’ Peter Gray, RICHARD DAVENPORT. Ack in Court Aug 7, 1693. [Winslow: p. 43, Deed Bk A: No. 70; <A HREF="john-foster-partnership.pdf” target=”_blank”]<br> (John Foster is Richard & Johanna’s son-in-law – married to daughter Elizabeth) Clicking on the source (Winslow) will take you to that source. I'm hoping to master hover so the source is also displayed for a quick look. I have a ton of these entries and I’m still adding to them. Getting them online is going to prove a challenge I’m sure <g> However, I need to first master CSS (maybe a greater challenge) and get my sites cleaned up. Linda Linda Haas Davenport my Home Page: http://www.lhaasdav.com My Marion Co AR page: http://www.argenweb.net/marion/ my Tulsa OK Page: http://www.tulsaokhistory.com From: TilburyCM Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 7:34 PM To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Subject: Web pages Linda, an afterthought - don't know what kind of site you're working on. No doubt others have better presentation than mine, but two here which I styled in consequence of content. The first is a mixture of people and events, and in colour; the second is about places, is in three sections with an icon for each, plain page setting, and a similar index page for each section, plus entry page in the same style (repeated background image), all black and grey on white.. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cmtilbury/chalfont_thomas_t_enter.html http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cmtilbury/londonts/london_pages_index.html Caroline ____ "Tilberia" http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~cmtilbury "TheTilbury Magazine" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cmtilbury/ttm/ttm_frontpage.html Every path has its puddle. Life has no reverse gear. NB: an e-mail message remains the Intellectual Property of the sender; traffic on this e-mail server may be normally subject to UK and French copyright law. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10210 - Release Date: 07/11/15

Thanks Billie - great for the morale. Caroline ____ "Tilberia" http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~cmtilbury "TheTilbury Magazine" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cmtilbury/ttm/ttm_frontpage.html Every path has its puddle. Life has no reverse gear. NB: an e-mail message remains the Intellectual Property of the sender; traffic on this e-mail server may be normally subject to UK and French copyright law. -----Original Message----- From: Billie Walsh via <[email protected]> To: freepages-help <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 3:05 Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] Web pages Caroline, You know what the best presentation is? At least for your pages, it's whatever makes you happy. That's the best presentation. As for the pages you posted, I think they both look very nice. On 07/11/2015 07:34 PM, TilburyCM via wrote: > Linda, an afterthought - don't know what kind of site you're working on. No doubt others have better presentation than mine, but two here which I styled in consequence of content. The first is a mixture of people and events, and in colour; the second is about places, is in three sections with an icon for each, plain page setting, and a similar index page for each section, plus entry page in the same style (repeated background image), all black and grey on white.. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cmtilbury/chalfont_thomas_t_enter.html > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cmtilbury/londonts/london_pages_index.html > > > > Caroline > ____ > > "Tilberia" http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~cmtilbury > "TheTilbury Magazine" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cmtilbury/ttm/ttm_frontpage.html > > Every path has its puddle. Life has no reverse gear. > > NB: an e-mail message remains the Intellectual Property of the sender; traffic on this e-mail server may be normally subject to UK and French copyright law. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A page is as long as you wish it to be, but common convention suggests that the contents of an A4 / Letter page is probably ample, though no-one is going to get overly uptight if you stretch it a little.;-) You already have a page, and to continue it, just save it with another name, e.g. the existing name, "mypage.html" as "mypage-1.html" - without the quotes. Once saved, remove the existing content and add the remainder of what you have. Once done, you can go back to the first page and add a link at the bottom that will allow your viewers to get to it. Just do the first part, then ask about how to add the link. Barry ------------------------ On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 20:59:40 +1200, elizgh via <[email protected]> wrote: > ...how long is a page ? please . I have hand written about 2 > foolscap pages from my paper files to add to the Bennetts of Greenwich > website ...and now wonder if it will fit in on the existing webpages ?

a folder if images is simple to keep folks from accessing a list of images. If they are going to see the indexes on the various pages, ======= I said... On one page. Unlinked to content pages.