Treat unordered list like generations in a family tree. Adam & Eve = Level One Children = Level Two Grandchildren = Level Three Great Grandchildren = Level Four etc.. ==== Got it.

Perhaps I should try to clarify why I'm so confused. In a website, The Main URL is like a "Main Topic". But Each Folder under it are all on the same "level", e.g. "level 2". All sub-folders would be "level 3". Is that how I should look at unordered lists? so Each Folder would be marked as <...ul class="Level2"><!--Level2 --> But I keep thinking of regular Outlines, like for a school term paper. Major Topic (Level 1) can have different "points" under it. So for example, 3 points. (That would be Levels 2, 3, 4) That would mean: <...ul class="Level2"><!--Level2 --> <...ul class="Level3"><!--Level3 --> <...ul class="Level4"><!--Level4 --> Each Point could have sub-points. In Outline form (a), (b), (c) or (i), (ii), (iii). But the sub-points are all the same "level". That would be ??? something like: <...ul class="Levela"><!--Levela --> ??? So do I think of unordered list with many nested lists just like a Term Paper "outline"? So Each Folder is like Point 1, Point 2, Point 3, etc. And each sub-folder as a group of sub-points under their Folder or "Point"? I know my learning styles confuse people here, when you're used to just focusing on what tag goes where. But my style means I have to use an organized Commenting Structure, BEFORE I truly understand where the tags go. Do I think of it as an Outline? Won't numerous numbers on the "Points" make the CSS classes harder to group together? Judy

So if a site (Level 1) has folders: A B C D Would each letter all become Level 2s? All sub-folders Level 3s? Or would A be Level 2 B Level 3 C Level 4 ?? I'm thinking each letter all become Level 2s, is that right? Judy

Judy, I suggest that you sort out all the items you want to put at a particular level and put them into a list. Give the list a level name, e.g. <ul class="levelTwo">. If there are a number of separate lists in a level, identify them so that they are ready to be inserted at the right point in the preceding level, e.g. <ul class="levelTwo seqOne"> or <ul class="levelThree seqFour"> etc.. Once you have all your lists completed, draw up a tree with the lists all identified in it, then it will be easier for you, me, or anyone else to get the nesting right. Barry ---------------- On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 17:58:38 +1200, JFlorian <[email protected]> wrote: > Barry, > > Yes, I started with Xenu's rendition but in it, noted my mistakes (such > as duplicate files) and >that Xenu listed many pages in reverse order. > Another example: I linked 1 pg of divorces to >marriage pgs but it > looked silly to keep repeating on a site map. So after tearing it > apart, >fixing my errors, removing dupes, etc, now I'm putting it back > together into nested lists. > Pat, using your example: > The opening and closing list tags (<.ul> or <.ol>) and all of the > line tags within a list (<.li>Item<./li>) are always enclosed with a > line tag of the higher level list, e.g. > > <.ul>Level 1 list > <.li>Level 1, Item 1<./li> > <.li>Level 1, Item 2 sub list (note there is no closing LINE tag > here) > <.ul> Level 1, Item 2 sub list ---> Index to this section > <.li>Level 1, Item 2 sub list, ITEM 1<./li> > </li>Level 1, Item 2 sub list, ITEM 2</li> > <./ul>CLOSES Level 1, Item 2 sub list ---> > <./li>CLOSES Level 1, Item 2 sub list LINE --->closes Index line? > <./ul>CLOSES Level 1 list >> I did the innermost lists already as separate lists from ul to /ul. I >> have a ul before <.li>Level >1, Item 2 sub list, ITEM 1<./li> But >> from yours, it seems I need to move the ul up one line >( <.ul> Level >> 1, Item 2 sub list ---> Index to this section) to capture/include the >> folder index >page//Level?? > >> That is where I'm confused on the next step, how to put the innermost >> list "inside" its folder >index (and repeat for all folder and >> subfolder Indexes). > >> Half tempted to copy it all, "erase" the completed innermost sublists, >> so I code just the >1st/2nd/3rd level indexes. Then, copy the innermost >> lists back under their indexes. > >> There must be an way to use Search-Replace to finish coding the indexes? > >> Judy > >> >>

At 01:58 AM 8/20/2015, you wrote: >That is where I'm confused on the next step, how to put the innermost list >"inside" its folder index (and repeat for all folder and subfolder Indexes). > >Half tempted to copy it all, "erase" the completed innermost sublists, so I >code just the 1st/2nd/3rd level indexes. Then, copy the innermost lists >back under their indexes. > >There must be an way to use Search-Replace to finish coding the indexes? Judy, You can code the lists in whichever order seems easiest to you. Since you have already coded the inner most lists, you can paste or add them within a line tag for the next list level working outward, e.g. <.ul>[innermost list] <.li>Item 1<./li> <.li>Item 2<./li> <./ul> would be included as below: <.ul>[upper level list] <.li>Item 1 of upper level list<./li> <.li>{when innermost list is inserted on line 2 of this list] <.ul>[innermost list here] <.li>Item 1<./li> <.li>Item 2<./li> <./ul> <./li>[end of line containing innermost list] <.li>Item 3 of upper level list<./> <.li>Item 4 of upper level list<./> <./ul> If this upper level list is to be included as a line of an even higher level list, you would create the LI tags for that higher level list, and include the above in one of THOSE lines. If you are anticipating more than 3 organizational levels, your site map should probably be simplified. The purpose of a site map is NOT to list every page and every directory on your site, but to help visitors navigate to the page(s) they want. Pat A.

Judy, If you look at the generated sitemap of your current site in Xenu; when reproduced as a tiered list it starts off looking like:- http://countjustonce.com/test/florian-lists.html That is an example of how to create what you are trying to do. Barry

Barry, Yes, I started with Xenu's rendition but in it, noted my mistakes (such as duplicate files) and that Xenu listed many pages in reverse order. Another example: I linked 1 pg of divorces to marriage pgs but it looked silly to keep repeating on a site map. So after tearing it apart, fixing my errors, removing dupes, etc, now I'm putting it back together into nested lists. Pat, using your example: The opening and closing list tags (<.ul> or <.ol>) and all of the line tags within a list (<.li>Item<./li>) are always enclosed with a line tag of the higher level list, e.g. <.ul>Level 1 list <.li>Level 1, Item 1<./li> <.li>Level 1, Item 2 sub list (note there is no closing LINE tag here) <.ul> Level 1, Item 2 sub list ---> Index to this section <.li>Level 1, Item 2 sub list, ITEM 1<./li> </li>Level 1, Item 2 sub list, ITEM 2</li> <./ul>CLOSES Level 1, Item 2 sub list ---> <./li>CLOSES Level 1, Item 2 sub list LINE --->closes Index line? <./ul>CLOSES Level 1 list I did the innermost lists already as separate lists from ul to /ul. I have a ul before <.li>Level 1, Item 2 sub list, ITEM 1<./li> But from yours, it seems I need to move the ul up one line ( <.ul> Level 1, Item 2 sub list ---> Index to this section) to capture/include the folder index page//Level?? That is where I'm confused on the next step, how to put the innermost list "inside" its folder index (and repeat for all folder and subfolder Indexes). Half tempted to copy it all, "erase" the completed innermost sublists, so I code just the 1st/2nd/3rd level indexes. Then, copy the innermost lists back under their indexes. There must be an way to use Search-Replace to finish coding the indexes? Judy

At 11:50 PM 8/18/2015, JFlorian via wrote: >Barry, I've been working on the innermost lists first. I've coded those as >if they are separate lists; they are the pages (not Indexes). I next need >to connect their indexes to the innermost lists under the indexes. > >First, I'm confused about how the "Home Page" is connected into the List as >the Top Item? Judy, The HOME PAGE is usually the top level of any site map, so would not necessarily be listed as part of the site map. All sub lists, regardless of level, must be complete within themselves -- so that a sub list at level 3 or 4 is no different than one at level 1 or 2, i.e. each and every list must begin with <.ul> <.ol> or whatever; then the line items (<.li>Item</li>) within that list; then the closing <./ul> or <.ol> tag for that particular list. The opening and closing list tags (<.ul> or <.ol>) and all of the line tags within a list (<.li>Item<./li>) are always enclosed with a line tag of the higher level list, e.g. <.ul>Level 1 list <.li>Level 1, Item 1<./li> <.li>Level 1, Item 2 sub list (note there is no closing LINE tag here) <.ul> Level 1, Item 2 sub list <.li>Level 1, Item 2 sub list, ITEM 1<./li> </li>Level 1, Item 2 sub list, ITEM 2</li> <./ul>CLOSES Level 1, Item 2 sub list <./li>CLOSES Level 1, Item 2 sub list LINE <./ul>CLOSES Level 1 list Pat

On August 13, 2015 Barry wrote: 1) If you are going to have, e.g. <div> (a) something (b) someting [nested list here] (c) something (d) something etc.. </div> .. then of course the list will start at level 2 when referenced to the items in the div. --- and 2) Look carefully at the following:- <ol> <li>item one</li> <li>item two <ol> <li>item two clause one</li> <li>item two clause two</li> <li>item two clause three</li> </ol> </li> </ol> ... in the above, items 2.1, 2.2 and 2.3 are "nested" in a new list in item two. See where the <li> item two opens and then note where the </li> is placed. ================= Barry, I've been working on the innermost lists first. I've coded those as if they are separate lists; they are the pages (not Indexes). I next need to connect their indexes to the innermost lists under the indexes. First, I'm confused about how the "Home Page" is connected into the List as the Top Item? If all Item-Indexes relate to Home Page, then all Main-Item-Indexes become an Item Two? And Sub-Folder Indexes become Level 3s? And innermost item-clauses would be either Level 3 (if no sub-Folder Index) or become Item-Clause Level 4? Is that kind of right?? Does having a DIV mean the Home Page is on the same "level" as the div, or does DIV automatically make the top item (my Home Page) into a Level Item Two? And, in trying to follow your example, almost all my Main-Item-Indexes have Item-Indexes which have many item-clauses in them. So I'm unsure what code (if any) goes in between each Item-Index [with their clauses]. I did a text mark up of letters... I put A before an Index or Sub-Folder Index with Aa and Bb after an Index /before pages so I could see the Item-indexes and the sub-folder-index-items, plus see them separate from the blocks of innermost item-clauses (to use your terms). So example: Home Page AA Section Main Folder Index ---Item Level One Aa Bb AA Sub-folder One Index---Item Level Two Ab Bb Pages 1, 2 3 etc. AA Sub-folder Two Index---Item Level Two Aa Bb Pages 1, 2 3 etc. etc. AA Section Main Folder Index ---Item Level One etc. Now I'm trying to figure out if I need to revise my A-Aa-Bb text markings? (they don't match your list codes) And figure out which list codes match my silly text markup. I'm thinking of doing the ul or li in just in text view without brackets (so I can see the levels and nests), but I'm concerned about messing up where one nested list (sub-folder/pages) meets another nested list (sub-folder and pages). Could you or anyone explain but using what is helping me understand, a text mark up of letters before/after each section... Or should I use ul without the brackets as text-marking only that I can then change later to tags in html? I have a few more days' work before I start putting codes around the next level up from Item-clauses. Any comments about what's confusing me? Judy

Thank you Ralph. We were able to resize Billy's rose image for 8 1/2 by 11 standard paper. Used an online image tool to add the woman's name across the rose stem. Judy

No! Look carefully at the following:- <ol> <li>item one</li> <li>item two <ol> <li>item two clause one</li> <li>item two clause two</li> <li>item two clause three</li> </ol> </li> </ol> ... in the above, items 2.1, 2.2 and 2.3 are "nested" in a new list in item two. See where the <li> item two opens and then note where the </li> is placed. Barry -------------- On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 09:36:47 +1200, JFlorian <[email protected]> wrote: > Okay. I'd just copy what you have for item 1. (Not 100% sure of my > answer.) > > To add 1.1 and 1. 2 to Item 1 > > <..ul> > <..li>item one</li> > <...ul> > <..li>item two clause one</li> > <..li>item two clause two</li> > <..li>item two clause three</li> > </ul> > <..li>item two > <..ul> > <..li>item two clause one</li> > <..li>item two clause two</li> > <..li>item two clause three</li> > </ul> > </li> > Not sure if it needs more than what you have to end it? > </ul> > </li> > <..li>item four</li> > </ul> >

You need to look at lists on their own. If you are going to have, e.g. <div> (a) something (b) someting <ol> <li> something <li> something </ol> (c) something (d) something etc.. </div> .. then of course the list will start at level 2 when referenced to the items in the div. If you are making lists, then all the items in the div should be in the list; that should stop the confusion. Barry --------------- On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 09:28:25 +1200, JFlorian <[email protected]> wrote: > Referring to http://countjustonce.com/test/lists-again.html > > Tell me if I'm wrong... > > If your level 1 is Main Site URL > Then your "Item One" is actually Level 2, right? > > So how do you switch between "Levels" when Level 1 is the main URL? > list Level One > -----list Item 1 > -----list item 2 > ----------Level Two inside Level 1 > ---------------List Item 1 > ---------------List item 2 > ----------Level Two inside Level 1 > ---------------List Item 1 > ---------------List item 2 > etc. > >

Judy, Have another look at the markup in - http://countjustonce.com/test/lists-again.html ... and tell me how you would add items 1.1 and 1.2 to item 1. They layout of the code should help you see it. Barry ----------------------- On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 09:13:13 +1200, JFlorian <[email protected]> wrote: > Barry, Pat, > > I'm trying to figure out easy way to get the text ready for code > markup. Perhaps I can go through >the text version and mark the primary > "levels" before and after (ul and li but in text view >first?)... then > in the code version replace those with the code? I think I need 3 > levels. Have >any ideas of how I can plot it out first in text? One > reason I'm asking is every time I end, >Frontpage decides to add its own > code to what's not done. Second, it gets confusing to me when in >code > view, which lines are level 2 or level 3. . > > Can I put a temporary div around the section I'm working on so those > not-yet closed ul's don't >affect any other section? > > Barry, I haven't uploaded the rest of the pages yet. I still need to > replace the search first >and get the site map to work. Fp says 7726 > items. Some are your help files for me, or other >items, so I am > figuring 7,000+ total for the site. About 3,000+ of those images you > listed are on >the marriage pages. We'll see what the final figures are > when I'm done. (if I ever get done, LOL) > > Judy >

If your doing it in text mode this is where an HTML editor like Bluefish would be handy. It inserts both tags at once, open and close. When you park the curser by either tag it, and the close/open tag, turn red. This makes sure you can tell what is between the open and close and that you haven't accidentally erased a tag or got one in the wrong order. On 08/13/2015 04:48 PM, Barry Carlson via wrote: > You need to look at lists on their own. > > If you are going to have, e.g. > > <div> > (a) something > (b) someting > <ol> > <li> something > <li> something > </ol> > (c) something > (d) something etc.. > </div> > > .. then of course the list will start at level 2 when referenced to the > items in the div. > > If you are making lists, then all the items in the div should be in the > list; that should stop the confusion. > > Barry > --------------- > > On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 09:28:25 +1200, JFlorian <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Referring to http://countjustonce.com/test/lists-again.html >> >> Tell me if I'm wrong... >> >> If your level 1 is Main Site URL >> Then your "Item One" is actually Level 2, right? >> >> So how do you switch between "Levels" when Level 1 is the main URL? >> list Level One >> -----list Item 1 >> -----list item 2 >> ----------Level Two inside Level 1 >> ---------------List Item 1 >> ---------------List item 2 >> ----------Level Two inside Level 1 >> ---------------List Item 1 >> ---------------List item 2 >> etc. >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

OK I'll wrap the whole thing in a div until I get the uls and lis put in. Xenu is great for giving all the "Text Titles" from Meta Title. It's better than copying out those by hand. But I discovered Xenu reports them in upside down order, bottom first. grr. 4th folder is listed first and so on. Pages are in order, though. Weird. I've got to get them back into order, first, then tackle the code. Be done in... maybe a year LOL Judy

Okay. I'd just copy what you have for item 1. (Not 100% sure of my answer.) To add 1.1 and 1. 2 to Item 1 <..ul> <..li>item one</li> <...ul> <..li>item two clause one</li> <..li>item two clause two</li> <..li>item two clause three</li> </ul> <..li>item two <..ul> <..li>item two clause one</li> <..li>item two clause two</li> <..li>item two clause three</li> </ul> </li> Not sure if it needs more than what you have to end it? </ul> </li> <..li>item four</li> </ul>

Referring to http://countjustonce.com/test/lists-again.html Tell me if I'm wrong... If your level 1 is Main Site URL Then your "Item One" is actually Level 2, right? So how do you switch between "Levels" when Level 1 is the main URL? list Level One -----list Item 1 -----list item 2 ----------Level Two inside Level 1 ---------------List Item 1 ---------------List item 2 ----------Level Two inside Level 1 ---------------List Item 1 ---------------List item 2 etc.

Barry, Pat, I'm trying to figure out easy way to get the text ready for code markup. Perhaps I can go through the text version and mark the primary "levels" before and after (ul and li but in text view first?)... then in the code version replace those with the code? I think I need 3 levels. Have any ideas of how I can plot it out first in text? One reason I'm asking is every time I end, Frontpage decides to add its own code to what's not done. Second, it gets confusing to me when in code view, which lines are level 2 or level 3. . Can I put a temporary div around the section I'm working on so those not-yet closed ul's don't affect any other section? Barry, I haven't uploaded the rest of the pages yet. I still need to replace the search first and get the site map to work. Fp says 7726 items. Some are your help files for me, or other items, so I am figuring 7,000+ total for the site. About 3,000+ of those images you listed are on the marriage pages. We'll see what the final figures are when I'm done. (if I ever get done, LOL) Judy

Re: "I have a 50kb - 77 width 100 height. It is of a single rose. What would I need to do to adjust the size so it will be one image per 8.5 x 11 inch paper?" I'm familiar with working images to fit Web and print media; the resolution needs conflict. To accomplish what you want, you'll need a higher-resolution image; 7700 pixels just won't do for print. Let's do some pixel math: To fit a 8.5x11 inch page, you'd want the image to come out something like 7x9 inches. That works out to about one pixel per inch, in print terms 1 dpi; even at 3.5x4.5, it's only 2 dpi. Unless you keep the image to ~0.4"x0.5", the image will disappear behind the text and its "roseness" will be lost. "Standard" print quality is 300 dpi; "low" is ~200 dpi. You'll need at least a 700x900 image, minimum. In gray-scale, that's 0.5 MB; in 24-bit color, it's 1.5 MB; 32-bit color = 2 MB. My recommendation: Start with an image better-suited to printing. -rt_/)

Judy, The dimensions you gave, i.e. 77 x 100, I assume are in pixels? With a file size of 50KB, it looks as if you may be able to resize it a little and still get reasonable definition. In any case, just open a new HTML page and place an img tag in it and add bigger width and height styles to it. Try and see how it will render before you go any further. Also try the opacity style to give it a faded look if you are printing text over it. Do the above in your browser before going any further. Barry ------------- On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 11:48:11 +1200, JFlorian via <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm helping a Reverend make a MS Word 6-page document for a funeral. I'm > trying to find an image she can print out on paper as a background first, > then reload those pages into the printer and print MS Word Doc text onto > the imaged-paper. > > I have a 50kb - 77 width 100 height. It is of a single rose. What > would > I need to do to adjust the size so it will be one image per 8.5 x 11 inch > paper? > > Anyone familiar with doing this?