At 03:27 PM 9/13/2015, hutley via wrote: >Could somebody please send me the link where I can query my counter? I also >need a link to the counter code. I have lost all this info. The instructions for the RootsWeb Counter are here: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/FAQ/listquestions.html#makecounter Substitute the name of the counter that you have already created to continue the existing count on a new page. If you do not have a record of your existing counter name, you will have to create a new one -- at least I don't know of a way to retrieve it from RootsWeb. Pat A.

Hi List, Could somebody please send me the link where I can query my counter? I also need a link to the counter code. I have lost all this info. Thank you for your help, Heidi Boos-Utley Email: [email protected] URL: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~heidisfamily

I see no counter at the site that is in your signature. If that is not the correct site, then you need to give us a link to the correct one? Sent from my Kindle Fire In God We Trust _____________________________________________ From: hutley via <[email protected]> Sent: Sun Sep 13 12:27:45 PDT 2015 To: freepages-help <[email protected]> Subject: [FreeHelp] Query my Counter Hi List, Could somebody please send me the link where I can query my counter? I also need a link to the counter code. I have lost all this info. Thank you for your help, Heidi Boos-Utley Email: [email protected] URL: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~heidisfamily _____________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Judy, Have another look at:- http://countjustonce.com/test/lists-again.html ... and see if you can answer your question. They are ordered lists in this example, but the principle is exactly the same when doing unordered lists. The displayed data is at the top and the HTML is shown underneath. Barry ----------------------- On 10/09/2015 15:34, JFlorian wrote: > I'm still confused about when a /li should not close. If nearly every index page begins a list, does that mean every index page link would not have the /li till later (after the first /ul in that set)? > Do the closing tags after a tier 2 and 3 end in > /ul > /li > e.g. can a list end in /li ? > Or is it supposed to be this? > /ul > /li > /ul - with this final /ul ? > ?? > So far, my errors are increasing with putting in the /lis. :-( > Judy

Again where I'm confused now is what is the last closing tag between nests? I had NO /li at the end of index lines (the parent of each nested list). At the end on most of the nests I just had /ul or /ul /ul With that markup, the validator reported only 4 errors. (originally 37 errors but I got it down to 4) Barry's example has no /ul before switching to a new index. When I change the markup to /ul /li (with no final /ul on each list) to close the index li's then it throws errors. What am I doing wrong? Judy

At 01:36 PM 9/10/2015, you wrote: >A nested (child) list is _ENLCOSED_WITHIN_AN_ITEM_ of a higher-level list. >The nested list is the child of the item parent. > >To nest a list within an item, one must open the item but not close it until >the nested list is done (i.e., closed). If it doesn't confuse the issue, it is the same principle as used for nested tables, which I know Judy used at one point for the design template for her site, i.e. <.table> <.tr> <.td style="background-color:dusty-rose; padding: 20px;"> <.table> <.tr> <.td style="background-color: white;">Main Content goes here</td> <./tr> <./table> <./td> <./tr> <./table> IOW, the nested item (whether a table or list) must be ENCLOSED AND COMPLETED WITHIN the smallest division of the block item in which it is being nested. In the case of a table that is a table data cell <.td>. When nesting lists, the smallest division is a line <.li> Pat A.

Let's try saying it anoher way: A nested (child) list is _ENLCOSED_WITHIN_AN_ITEM_ of a higher-level list. The nested list is the child of the item parent. To nest a list within an item, one must open the item but not close it until the nested list is done (i.e., closed). Thus, for an unordered (bullet) list: <.ul> <.li>Parent item <!-- not closed --> <.ul> <!-- child list begins --> <.li>Child item 1</li> <.li>Child item 2</li> </ul> <!-- close child list --> </li> <!-- close parent item --> </ul> <!-- close parent list --> For an ordered (numbered) list, subsitute ol for ul. The nesting process may be continued ad infinitum (to grand-children, great-granchildren, etc.) but gets unwieldy. Also unwieldy (and this may be the problem) are very long child lists, with many items; it's hard to see where to close the parent items. -rt_/)

I'm still confused about when a /li should not close. If nearly every index page begins a list, does that mean every index page link would not have the /li till later (after the first /ul in that set)? Do the closing tags after a tier 2 and 3 end in /ul /li e.g. can a list end in /li ? Or is it supposed to be this? /ul /li /ul - with this final /ul ? ?? So far, my errors are increasing with putting in the /lis. :-( Judy

Judy, I suggest you look again at:- http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Freepages-Help/2015-08/1440306118 ... and note that when you nest a new list, the <.li> of the line you insert it into is not closed until after the <./ul> tag of the new list. Barry ---------------------- On 09/09/2015 09:21, JFlorian via wrote: > Trying to figure out how to locate every line for those? > > For example, most are > > A Primary Index Tier > --A secondary index tier as a list item > -----List Items > -----List items > --A second secondary index tier > -----List Items > -----List items > -----more List items > --A third secondary index tier > etc. > > Only "index" tiers start a nested list. So would it work to search > for > "index" and change just those, and put its /li with the first /ul ?? > Would > that do it? > > Judy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Trying to figure out how to locate every line for those? For example, most are A Primary Index Tier --A secondary index tier as a list item -----List Items -----List items --A second secondary index tier -----List Items -----List items -----more List items --A third secondary index tier etc. Only "index" tiers start a nested list. So would it work to search for "index" and change just those, and put its /li with the first /ul ?? Would that do it? Judy

On 09/08/2015 04:14 AM, JFlorian via wrote: > Real example of one error one the first ul line below.: > .<..ul> > <...li><...a > href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb............htm">Index > to ....</a></li> > > <...ul> > <...li><a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb......htm">Fort > Pitt ....</a></li> > <...li><a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb......htm">Pitt > Five ......</a></li> > <...li><a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.....htm">Faces of > ...</a></li> > </ul> > </ul> I see immediately what the issue is above. DO NOT close the first <li> above until after the second level list: Real example of one error one the first ul line below.: .<..ul> <...li><...a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb............htm">Index to ....</a> <...ul> <...li><a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb......htm">Fort Pitt ....</a></li> <...li><a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb......htm">Pitt Five ......</a></li> <...li><a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.....htm">Faces of ...</a></li> </ul></li> </ul> Should look like the above. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

I've been practicing nested lists on a very long unordered list. Out of all the ones I did, I am down to FOUR errors in validator! (Amazing. Don't know how I did it, LOL.) All the errors read: "document type does not allow element "UL" here; assuming missing "LI" start-tag <..ul> " The problems occur when I'm switching in and out between "levels" of my sitemap. So.... 2nd or 3rd tier <..ul> <list item for the Index Page of this folder <a=href="full/url/index.htm">Title</a> <...ul> ---<list item ><a=href="whatever">Title</a> ---<list item ><a=href="whatever">Title</a> </ul> (switch back to the left for another index before another nested list) <..ul> <list item for the Index Page of this folder <a=href="full/url/index.htm">Title</a> <ul> ---<list item ><a=href="whatever">Title</a></li> ---<list item ><a=href="whatever">Title</a></li> </ul> Real example of one error one the first ul line below.: .<..ul> <...li><...a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb............htm">Index to ....</a></li> <...ul> <...li><a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb......htm">Fort Pitt ....</a></li> <...li><a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb......htm">Pitt Five ......</a></li> <...li><a href="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.....htm">Faces of ...</a></li> </ul> </ul> (switch back next) <...ul> Begin another set with the folder's "index" page at the same level as the first one and with one or more li elements in it. etc. etc. <...ul> Barry wrote (something anout ??) that needs done with li and li when doing the nested part. I didn't understand that part and don't know how to word it here except that it's after a nest without a closing li. I first focused on getting the ul structure. So the errors are probably that I didn't put the li and /li's in the right places after the index that starts a new nest?? But everything has worked except in the 4 instances. How do I figure out the pesky additional li's that I am probably missing? And how do I figure out the 4 errors of "does not allow element "UL" here; assuming missing "LI" start-tag" when all the others written the same way at the same (and other levels) are working fine? (only difference is how many closing uls it needs). I did close the lis except on indexes with nests. Whether I use the ul-page or not, it's been fun and challenging. But now, I can barely see the trees from inside the nested treehouse. Oh--- and on a sitemap, should the pages be in an ol ? Should the entire sitemap be an ol ? Judy

I think I can do the CSS for Children tier. (tier 2 li) But as each "tier" moves in (indents), would I need to make different CSS for the margins of Children versus Great-grandchildren and Great-Great-Grandchildren? As a reminder, we're using CH, GCh, GGch etc as a metaphor for tiers in nested lists. This metaphor you used, Barry, made a lot of sense to me. But I am having trouble with the closing tags after each group, especially moving from GGch back to a higher tier. Frontpage is also adding all my missing closing tags to the end of the page. Sigh. When I get more coded, I'll see what Validator says about it. Even if I never use this nested list page on my website, it's been helpful to try to correctly code a long nested list. Back to the nest~~ Judy

Good point, Pat. I had to blow away everything because I had a lot of duplicated images, like mom_Sept-04-1967 and mom_sept-04-1967 It would have taken too long to hunt down each bad file, so I blew it all away. But also on this topic, it is SO much easier to use_all_lowercase It took me 2 months to check every file name on my website created in 2006, and make lowercase names, AND make sure the name changed in the page code too. But it was well worth the time to do this clean up. I just need to remember when I get a submission to change the filenames to lowercase. That is how my problem got out of hand-- adding images people submitted without changing the Case_Names. Those problems meant when I uploaded I could have many copies of the same file, uploaded as I changed some filenames to lowercase or mistakenly left in a single space. Ugh. Now, i am certain all files are in all lowercase and Xenu link checker is much happier with me! Judy

Judy, Assuming you have GCH unordered list and give all your GCH lists the same class name, e.g. Adam Brian Ann ... the styles for those "gch" lists will be:- .gch li {styles affecting all li items} ... however , if you needed to differentiate between boys and girls, then add a separate class to the appropriate li, e.g. .gch li.girl {some styles} Barry On 05/09/2015 21:57, JFlorian via wrote: > I'm still learning from fighting with nested lists, though I'm getting > there. I'm using Barry's child (CH), grandchild (GCH), and > great-grandchild (GCH) analogy in Comment Tags. > > I need to know how to write the CSS and the markup. For example, I don't > like the very wide space that Frontpage uses as it 'indents' each nesting > level. > > Looking at what I have so far, will I have to give each "generation" of ul > a class? If so, will I need to tag every single li to make it control > itself? Or can CSS be written so a ul generation and all lis in that ul > generation behave the same way? > > Judy

A company called "Easy.net" was my very first ISP, back when the Internet was just taking off. I'd gone to them because they were local and I knew the people. But, they were bought out and folded into a larger company. Then came problems with reliability & tech support. Plus, costs were higher than other ISPs. Not sure if this is the same as your "Easy net". -rt_/) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 07:07:57 -0400 From: "Nancy_J" <[email protected]> Subject: [FreeHelp] Easynetsites To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good morning - we were thinking of changing to Easy net sites . Does anyone have experience with this service and the learning curve required? My concern was their file system - for uploaded files. Does it use aliases like Drupal? http://www.easynetsites.com/index.php ~ Nancy ------------------------------

David, The procedure is relatively simple. Upload the new content and over-write or delete the old files. You can do it online with the Freepages file manager. Better is to revise the content on your local system then upload the files to the server with a FTP utility. First step here: Download the sites to your 'puter. The rest of the step-by-step depends on what you want to do. Keep the same directory/folder structure or change it? Keep present file names, with new content, or have new file names? As to keeping four separate Freepages sites, you should look into the rules as to how many sites are allowed per person. -rt_/) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 18:46:34 -0500 From: David Moody <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FreeHelp] FREEPAGES-HELP Digest, Vol 10, Issue 206 To: [email protected] I have 4 freepages websites which are 7 years old and which I wish to delete and replace with new current websites. Can anyone give me detailed instructions on how to delete these 4?

At 02:56 PM 9/5/2015, JFlorian via wrote: >I forgot to say, you can also delete by single folder or file using >Filezilla. > >Whether by Freepages File Manager or Filezilla, deleting a site (one item >at a time or completely with Filezilla) is still nearly traumatic even if >it must be done. It should also be mentioned that if you are just updating existing pages, there is no need to delete those existing pages before uploading new versions. Uploading an updated page WITH THE IDENTICAL FILE NAME will overwrite the existing page on the server. And while I used all upper case for emphasis in the above paragraph, IDENTICAL means upper and lower case must match. On the server, myheader.jpg is not the same as MyHeader.jpg, or myheader.JPG, or MYHEADER.jpg. Like most of the web, RootsWeb servers are caSE SeNsItvE. So Index.html or index.HTML will not replace index.html. Pat A.

I forgot to say, you can also delete by single folder or file using Filezilla. Whether by Freepages File Manager or Filezilla, deleting a site (one item at a time or completely with Filezilla) is still nearly traumatic even if it must be done. And, Google changed how it indexes/crawls sites. If you removed / changed a filename, before the webmaster could send Google a delete-this-old-page request. However, now, Google says not to notify them; the 404s will eventually fall out of their indexing. And, you can only request a re-indexing 10 times in a month. I used 3 with just re-uploading the new site and I'm finding it impatiently difficult to ignore my own 404s. After running Xenu and fixing errors, I'll request another crawl in a month or so. Judy

Valerie, I found that the O/S runs smoothly, but there were some peculiarities surrounding some of the MS default settings; they can be changed. The MS Edge browser works well and has fixed some of the CSS regressions in IE11 that originally worked in IE10. According to MS, the Windows 10 O/S is designed to be their backbone O/S for many years, and will receive upgrades over time, including the ability to run third party addons. While the Edge browser will most likely be a "work in progress", much the same as the other modern browsers. Barry ---------------- On 04/09/2015 19:27, Valerie lirakis wrote: > Barry, what is your opinion of Windows 10? Judging from your post it sounds as though there are drawbacks to it. > Valerie > > On 2 September 2015 at 03:52, barrycarlson via wrote: > >> Until a couple of days ago I was using Windows 10 - until I had a >> HD failure (again!). >> >> Ignoring a Windows Vista laptop that is gathering >> dust somewhere, I went back to a trusty 12 year old Laptop running >> Windows XP. I enabled some homegrown security and went about cleaning >> out lots of redundant files/programs etc.. in order to get a little more >> speed out of it. >> >> I kept the old IE browsers on it and decided to see >> if Opera 31 would run on the XP. Well its a pretty big file - 117MB, but >> thats because it packs all the stuff that XP is not equipped with, and >> the result is that the Opera browser responds to all the current CSS. >> >> Here's a full-screen capture of a page showing one of my more recent >> slide-shows:- >> >> http://countjustonce.com/images/xp-opr31-rs-slides.jpg [1] >> >> So, just because the operating system wont run IE8 and later, doesn't >> mean that its scrap when use is made of a multiple O/S compatible modern >> browser. >> >> Barry >> >> ------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] [2] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Links: ------ [1] http://countjustonce.com/images/xp-opr31-rs-slides.jpg [2] mailto:[email protected] [3] mailto:[email protected]