> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:22:18 +0000 > From: <anne.cruise1@ntlworld.com> > To: Archer Barrie <Barrie.Archer@uk.fujitsu.com> > Subject: RE: re Windows Wish List > > OK, "WinBMD Output" then. Apologies for the carets, it's a notation I use at work when I help out colleagues... > > What does your oblique stroke indicate? A new Folder followed by a new folder inside that, or just the full folder name? You can't use an oblique in a folder name, and I can't understand why you would want to go down two levels to having a folder named WinBMD and a folder inside that called Output. What is going into the outer folder called "WinBMD"? Nothing? Then why create it? And calling it "WinBMD" *may* create problems if someone does a search for "WinBMD" on its own, I suspect. > > Sub-folders can be set up by those competent enough or wishing to file / sort their output files but for the purposes of getting the output into the right location, one folder under "Documents" should suffice. > > -- > Anne > > > ---- Archer Barrie <Barrie.Archer@uk.fujitsu.com> wrote: > > Anne, > > > > Good point! But what does <WinBMD Output> mean? Shouldn't it be > > 'WinBMD/Output'? > > > > Barire > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: anne.cruise1@ntlworld.com [mailto:anne.cruise1@ntlworld.com] > > > Sent: 09 February 2009 20:42 > > > To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > > > Cc: Archer Barrie > > > Subject: RE: re Windows Wish List > > > > > > HI! > > > > > > Proof-reader hat on: > > > > > > "Many Vista users find it best to store their transcription > > > files in 'Documents' rather than in its default location of > > > 'Program Files/WinBMD/Output'. To do this, first create a new > > > folder in your 'Documents' called <WinBMD Output>. Then, in > > > WinBMD, use File/Define Save Path to specify that folder as > > > the location in 'Documents' to store your transcription files." > > > > > > (On the basis that one should give instructions in logical > > > order of operation...) > > > > > > -- > > > Anne > > > > > > ---- Archer Barrie <Barrie.Archer@uk.fujitsu.com> wrote: > > > > Yikes, no! It is only the output path that should be under > > > Documents not > > > > WinBMD! > > > > > > > > "Many Vista users find advantages in storing their > > > transcription files > > > > in 'Documents' rather > > > > than in its default location of 'Program > > > Files/WinBMD/Output'. In WinBMD > > > > use File/Define Save Path to specify a location in > > > Documents to store > > > > your transcription files; a folder WinBMD/Output is suggested (these > > > > folders will have to be created prior to redefining the path)." > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, it appears that the dialogue box you get for > > > File/Define > > > > Save Path does not allow folder creation. Do we have to > > > explain how to > > > > create folders? > > > > > > > > The issue I have with adding this to advice to 3b is it > > > also applies to > > > > XP so perhaps it should be a separate TKB item referenced from 3b. > > > > > > > > Barrie > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > > > [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > > > > > Jeff Coleman > > > > > Sent: 09 February 2009 11:32 > > > > > To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > > > > > Subject: Re: re Windows Wish List > > > > > > > > > > Might I suggest additional wording for > > > > > http://www.freebmd.org.uk/vol_faq.html#3b ? > > > > > > > > > > "Many Vista users find advantages in installing WinBMD in > > > > > 'Documents' rather > > > > > than 'Program Files'. If installed in 'Program Files' it can > > > > > be advantageous > > > > > to adjust 'Define Save Path' in the 'File' menu so that files > > > > > are saved > > > > > somewhere in 'Documents'." > > > > > > > > > > (possibly add 'that you will remember' after 'somewhere' > > > in the above) > > > > > > > > > > I feel it would also be advantageous to add something along > > > > > the same lines, > > > > > together with the other advice in TKB 3(b), to > > > > > http://www.freebmd.org.uk/addons/winbmd/ > > > > > > > > > > These do not explain the issue about Vista and its use of > > > > > 'Virtual Store' > > > > > but there is no need to go down that road if either WinBMD is > > > > > installed in, > > > > > or files created are stored in 'Documents'. > > > > > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Christopher Richards" <cmr1chards@blueyonder.co.uk> > > > > > To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:51 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: re Windows Wish List > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raymond > > > > > > > > > > > > I find I have to send a sheet to new transcribers with the > > > > > absolutely > > > > > > essential information because the FreeBMD help pages > > > have too much > > > > > > information on them. So does my sheet! But by experience > > > > > I have learnt > > > > > > what has to put in more than once for emphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is at that all the information on the > > > FreeBMD help pages > > > > > > needs to be there: but I find I have to be selective in > > > > > what I send to > > > > > > new transcribers. Once they are up and running the other > > > > > problems get > > > > > > dealt with one by one. > > > > > > > > > > > > Christopher > > > > > > > > > > > > Allan Raymond wrote: > > > > > >> Christopher > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Just a thought, why should it be up to Coordinators to > > > tell new > > > > > >> transcribers > > > > > >> how to set up WinBMD. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Why not have this requirement as a standard instruction on > > > > > either the TKB > > > > > >> or > > > > > >> Beginners for Help pages? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Allan Raymond > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >> From: "Christopher Richards" <cmr1chards@blueyonder.co.uk> > > > > > >> To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> > > > > > >> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:12 PM > > > > > >> Subject: Re: re Windows Wish List > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Having read of all the potential problems I think now it > > > > > is up to the > > > > > >> syndicate co-ordinators to tell new transcribers how set > > > > > up WinBMD so > > > > > >> that they save their files in a place where they can find them. > > > > > >> Any other solution seems to suffer from the problems of > > > > > having to find a > > > > > >> way to make sure it will work on Windows 98, XP or Vista - > > > > > which is just > > > > > >> added complication. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Christopher Richards > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Ian Brooke wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> I do tend to agree with most of these views. It seems to > > > > > me to be very > > > > > >>> simple for those users that have trouble locating their > > > > > files to create > > > > > >>> a > > > > > >>> new folder someplace they can find it, for example under > > > > > My Documents, > > > > > >>> or > > > > > >>> under Users on Vista, and just tell WinBMD to use that > > > > > folder. I can't > > > > > >>> really see anyone having serious problems doing that and > > > > > it saves a lot > > > > > >>> of > > > > > >>> potentially risky code for WinBMD to try to do it. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Ian > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >>> From: "Nowl" <owl.news@zen.co.uk> > > > > > >>> To: <FreeBMD-Syndicates@rootsweb.com> > > > > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:52 AM > > > > > >>> Subject: Re: re Windows Wish List > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> Archer Barrie wrote on Wed, 4 Feb 2009: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> I think you have a good point, although one shouldn't > > > > > assume that all > > > > > >>>>> existing users know where their output files are! Users > > > > > can transcribe > > > > > >>>>> without this knowledge, until the day when they need to > > > > > do something > > > > > >>>>> special with the file ... and then its location may be > > > > > problematic. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> Thanks for the reply, Barrie, and yes, I see what > > > you mean. . . > > > > > >>>> although > > > > > >>>> it's easy enough to check, since a custom path will > > > be shown in > > > > > >>>> brackets > > > > > >>>> after Define Save Path in the File menu. If there's > > > > > nothing there, the > > > > > >>>> default path is being used (or the VirtualStore > > > under Vista). And > > > > > >>>> there's always Search :-) > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> I think the issue of moving files was sparked by Keith > > > > > Simpson's mail > > > > > >>>>> of > > > > > >>>>> 28th Jan in which he described instructions to change > > > > > the default path > > > > > >>>>> for transcribers who were having problems because > > > of the current > > > > > >>>>> location. I presume it was in response to this that > > > Ian made his > > > > > >>>>> proposal to move files in his mail later the same day. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> I see. . . I didn't get Keith's original post -- the > > > > > lists seem rather > > > > > >>>> flakey lately, I often receive responses to an original > > > > > message that > > > > > >>>> never arrives! Having read it now, I wholeheartedly > > > agree. I do > > > > > >>>> recommend new volunteers change the default Save > > > Path and suggest > > > > > >>>> creating a subfolder in (My) Documents. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> I've posted previously on why I think the current > > > > > default output folder > > > > > >>>> location needs to be changed, and (sorry Allan!) agree > > > > > that a subfolder > > > > > >>>> of (My) Documents would be the best place for it -- easy > > > > > to find for > > > > > >>>> new > > > > > >>>> users, conforming to standard practice and solving the > > > > > permissions > > > > > >>>> problems under Vista. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> For fresh installs, either by new users or existing > > > volunteers > > > > > >>>> switching > > > > > >>>> to a new computer, I think this would be a great > > > > > improvement. But if > > > > > >>>> I've followed Ian correctly, there could be huge > > > > > difficulties with > > > > > >>>> existing WinBMD installations, in both determining the > > > > > current output > > > > > >>>> path and in where to put the new default folder. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> What I'm asking is, Is it really worth Ian's time > > > and effort to > > > > > >>>> struggle > > > > > >>>> to make this a global change when for a large proportion > > > > > of upgraders > > > > > >>>> it > > > > > >>>> wouldn't be necessary (and could also be quite annoying)? > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> The only reason I can see for moving files as a result > > > > > of an upgrade > > > > > >>>>> would be because WinBMD is in a better position to do > > > > > it than users > > > > > >>>>> (who > > > > > >>>>> may have difficulty finding them). Against this we have the > > > > > >>>>> complication > > > > > >>>>> of users, who *did* know where their files were, > > > > > forgetting (or not > > > > > >>>>> realising) they had been moved. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> It could well be that I misunderstood the discussion, > > > > > but it seemed to > > > > > >>>> be accepted that moving existing files was > > > desirable. I strongly > > > > > >>>> disagree on that one :-) and could see it causing more > > > > > problems than it > > > > > >>>> solved. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> Moving files to the same location shouldn't be a > > > > > problem. The software > > > > > >>>>> would notice and do nothing. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> Ah, that's reassuring, thanks, Barrie. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ------------------------------- > > > > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > >> FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > > > 'unsubscribe' > > > > > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' > > > > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > > > > > of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > > > of the message > > > > > >