Exactly! Just as I have been saying, the *default* should be a folder under Documents (My Documents in earlier Windows) then, as you imply, it would be easy for users to find. Barrie > -----Original Message----- > From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Keith Simpson > Sent: 28 January 2009 18:00 > To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > Subject: re Windows Wish List > Importance: High > > After reading all the messages regarding where files of > transcripts are > stored when saved . I would just like to say that a picture is worth a > thousand words. When I have a new transcriber who is having > problems I send > them a screenshot of WinBMD . Along with the screen shot I > send detailed > instructions on how to change the default settings to a place > they would > recognise more easily. i.e. Storing their TRANSCRIBED FILES > in the DOCUMENTS > folder. > > So far this has worked and everybody seems quite happy. They > don't have to > go searching their hard drives for folders, which can prove > daunting for new > users of computers. > > > > Keith > > Gandalf Syndicate > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message >

So here's what I would like to change WinBMD to do: If the folder has not been created (so I would check a registry flag); Create a new folder under My Documents (I'd like to call it "WinBMD_Output_Files"); Set the registry flag to show it's created. If the files have not ben moved (check another flag) Copy all the files from the existing Output folder to the new folder; Create the 2nd flag. Switch the Output path to use this new folder The existing Output folder could stay where it is and all the files would remain in it?? People could then move this new folder if they really wanted (using the existing Setpath feature on the Files menu). The only minor problem would be if people have installed WinBMD elsewhere (for examply on a drive of their choice) then their output folder would be changed to the new one, although again it's easy for them to switch back. I really don't want to mess about checking where their current folder is and then dciding whether to move it or not, it's probably error prone and overly complex. Any comments? Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Archer Barrie" <Barrie.Archer@uk.fujitsu.com> To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:02 PM Subject: RE: re Windows Wish List > Exactly! Just as I have been saying, the *default* should be a folder > under Documents (My Documents in earlier Windows) then, as you imply, it > would be easy for users to find. > > Barrie > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> Keith Simpson >> Sent: 28 January 2009 18:00 >> To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com >> Subject: re Windows Wish List >> Importance: High >> >> After reading all the messages regarding where files of >> transcripts are >> stored when saved . I would just like to say that a picture is worth a >> thousand words. When I have a new transcriber who is having >> problems I send >> them a screenshot of WinBMD . Along with the screen shot I >> send detailed >> instructions on how to change the default settings to a place >> they would >> recognise more easily. i.e. Storing their TRANSCRIBED FILES >> in the DOCUMENTS >> folder. >> >> So far this has worked and everybody seems quite happy. They >> don't have to >> go searching their hard drives for folders, which can prove >> daunting for new >> users of computers. >> >> >> >> Keith >> >> Gandalf Syndicate >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ian So by choice I could still have a WinBMD created files stored in Output folder which is isteslf a subfolder of the WinBMD folder? Personally I have no interest in having my files which have been created by WinBMD stored in a folder within a My Documents folder. Allan Raymond ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Brooke" <ianbrooke@hotmail.com> To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:38 PM Subject: Re: re Windows Wish List So here's what I would like to change WinBMD to do: If the folder has not been created (so I would check a registry flag); Create a new folder under My Documents (I'd like to call it "WinBMD_Output_Files"); Set the registry flag to show it's created. If the files have not ben moved (check another flag) Copy all the files from the existing Output folder to the new folder; Create the 2nd flag. Switch the Output path to use this new folder The existing Output folder could stay where it is and all the files would remain in it?? People could then move this new folder if they really wanted (using the existing Setpath feature on the Files menu). The only minor problem would be if people have installed WinBMD elsewhere (for examply on a drive of their choice) then their output folder would be changed to the new one, although again it's easy for them to switch back. I really don't want to mess about checking where their current folder is and then dciding whether to move it or not, it's probably error prone and overly complex. Any comments? Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Archer Barrie" <Barrie.Archer@uk.fujitsu.com> To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:02 PM Subject: RE: re Windows Wish List > Exactly! Just as I have been saying, the *default* should be a folder > under Documents (My Documents in earlier Windows) then, as you imply, it > would be easy for users to find. > > Barrie > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> Keith Simpson >> Sent: 28 January 2009 18:00 >> To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com >> Subject: re Windows Wish List >> Importance: High >> >> After reading all the messages regarding where files of >> transcripts are >> stored when saved . I would just like to say that a picture is worth a >> thousand words. When I have a new transcriber who is having >> problems I send >> them a screenshot of WinBMD . Along with the screen shot I >> send detailed >> instructions on how to change the default settings to a place >> they would >> recognise more easily. i.e. Storing their TRANSCRIBED FILES >> in the DOCUMENTS >> folder. >> >> So far this has worked and everybody seems quite happy. They >> don't have to >> go searching their hard drives for folders, which can prove >> daunting for new >> users of computers. >> >> >> >> Keith >> >> Gandalf Syndicate >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I must say that I had envisaged a somewhat simpler process - but that may be because I do not understand your proposals, or the complexity of installing WinBMD! 1) I WinBMD is not already installed, silently set the output folder to be under (My )Documents 2) If WinBMD is already installed check the output filename in the configuration file - if it does not start with (My )Documents, ask the user if you should move it to (My )Documents and if they say "yes", move the files and change the output filename in the configuration file. As I understand it WinBMD currently uses a .ini file to store configuration data and, I assume, this would not change in the new version. Having configuration data in both the registry and an .ini is, from a software engineering point of view, undesirable. Also my proposal involves less error checking, e.g. if the first registry flag is set you have to check if the output folder is already under (My )Documents. Plainly my proposal conflicts with your "I really don't want to mess about checking where their current folder is and then dciding whether to move it or not, it's probably error prone and overly complex." But your proposal seemed to require you find where the current folder is (otherwise how could you move the files from it?). I can't see that asking the user if you should move their files for them, and then not moving them if they answered "no", is complex. Finally, having underscore in a (My )Documents folder seems to be very unusual. It would naturally be "WinBMD Output Files". However, if you feel it necessary to differentiate the use by having "Output Files" it would seem to me to be more logical to have this under a "WinBMD" folder (i.e. (My )Documents\WinBMD\Output Files). Barrie > -----Original Message----- > From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Ian Brooke > Sent: 31 January 2009 22:39 > To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: re Windows Wish List > > So here's what I would like to change WinBMD to do: > If the folder has not been created (so I would check a registry flag); > Create a new folder under My Documents (I'd like to call it > "WinBMD_Output_Files"); > Set the registry flag to show it's created. > If the files have not ben moved (check another flag) > Copy all the files from the existing Output folder to the > new folder; > Create the 2nd flag. > Switch the Output path to use this new folder > > The existing Output folder could stay where it is and all the > files would > remain in it?? > > People could then move this new folder if they really wanted > (using the > existing Setpath feature on the Files menu). > > The only minor problem would be if people have installed > WinBMD elsewhere > (for examply on a drive of their choice) then their output > folder would be > changed to the new one, although again it's easy for them to > switch back. I > really don't want to mess about checking where their current > folder is and > then dciding whether to move it or not, it's probably error > prone and overly > complex. > > Any comments? > > Ian > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Archer Barrie" <Barrie.Archer@uk.fujitsu.com> > To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:02 PM > Subject: RE: re Windows Wish List > > > > Exactly! Just as I have been saying, the *default* should > be a folder > > under Documents (My Documents in earlier Windows) then, as > you imply, it > > would be easy for users to find. > > > > Barrie > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > >> [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > >> Keith Simpson > >> Sent: 28 January 2009 18:00 > >> To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: re Windows Wish List > >> Importance: High > >> > >> After reading all the messages regarding where files of > >> transcripts are > >> stored when saved . I would just like to say that a > picture is worth a > >> thousand words. When I have a new transcriber who is having > >> problems I send > >> them a screenshot of WinBMD . Along with the screen shot I > >> send detailed > >> instructions on how to change the default settings to a place > >> they would > >> recognise more easily. i.e. Storing their TRANSCRIBED FILES > >> in the DOCUMENTS > >> folder. > >> > >> So far this has worked and everybody seems quite happy. They > >> don't have to > >> go searching their hard drives for folders, which can prove > >> daunting for new > >> users of computers. > >> > >> > >> > >> Keith > >> > >> Gandalf Syndicate > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > >> of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message >

It's somewhat more complicated than you suggest " if it does not start with (My )Documents, ask " - there are no requirements in Windows on the name given to My Documents. The majority of people would leave it as that but it really can be called anything and exist anywhere and this is further complicated by Vista's seemingly bisarre habits in locating folders, it certainly would never "start with My Documents" and may not have "My Documents" in the path. I'm not entirely sure about your point on questioning the user if they want to move the folder. Do you mean every time WinBMD runs and finds it's not under My Documents or just the first time it finds it not there? Clearly if it's just the first time then I'm going to need a "question asked" flag but asking every time would I think be quite annoying. Are we sure that transcribers are going to know whether they should be answering Yes or No to that questions or are we going to flood the lists with people asking what this means and what they should do? My purpose in using multiple flags was to try to avoid problems and I think I'm still going to have to do that, plus an additional flag about the question. The "folder created" flag was intended to overcome a problem if there was already a folder below My Documents with my proposed name - it's very unlikely but possible. The files copied flag was to overcome a problem if the machine crashed or closed down between creating the folder and completing copying all the files (that copy could take some time). With those 2 flags I can easily restart at the appropriate point. Part of my problem is that I don't have access to a Vista computer so I can't check what WinBMD would be showing as the path to it's folder. It *should* be the case that if I call the Windows routine to get the path to My Documents then that should match what WinBMD has stored as the starting part of the path to it's Output folder but that's a guess. What I'm going to need to do is produce a version which puts the path into the ini file and get someone to try it out and send me the ini after changing the folder to be in My Documents. Maybe I can see enough from what WinBMD is currently showing as the output folder path on its Files menu. Is there anyone who has Vista that could email me what WinBMD is currently showing as it's output path. Then create a new folder below My Documents and switch WinBMD to use that and again show me what WinBMD says it's path is. You could then switch it back to your original folder. If your preference is to have spaces rather than underscores in the folder name then that's not a problem. My preference is the other way around but I don't really mind either way. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Archer Barrie" <Barrie.Archer@uk.fujitsu.com> To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 1:40 AM Subject: RE: re Windows Wish List >I must say that I had envisaged a somewhat simpler process - but that > may be because I do not understand your proposals, or the complexity of > installing WinBMD! > > 1) I WinBMD is not already installed, silently set the output folder to > be under (My )Documents > > 2) If WinBMD is already installed check the output filename in the > configuration file - if it does not start with (My )Documents, ask the > user if you should move it to (My )Documents and if they say "yes", move > the files and change the output filename in the configuration file. > > As I understand it WinBMD currently uses a .ini file to store > configuration data and, I assume, this would not change in the new > version. Having configuration data in both the registry and an .ini is, > from a software engineering point of view, undesirable. > > Also my proposal involves less error checking, e.g. if the first > registry flag is set you have to check if the output folder is already > under (My )Documents. > > Plainly my proposal conflicts with your "I really don't want to mess > about checking where their current folder is and then dciding whether to > move it or not, it's probably error prone and overly complex." But your > proposal seemed to require you find where the current folder is > (otherwise how could you move the files from it?). I can't see that > asking the user if you should move their files for them, and then not > moving them if they answered "no", is complex. > > Finally, having underscore in a (My )Documents folder seems to be very > unusual. It would naturally be "WinBMD Output Files". However, if you > feel it necessary to differentiate the use by having "Output Files" it > would seem to me to be more logical to have this under a "WinBMD" folder > (i.e. (My )Documents\WinBMD\Output Files). > > Barrie > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> Ian Brooke >> Sent: 31 January 2009 22:39 >> To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: re Windows Wish List >> >> So here's what I would like to change WinBMD to do: >> If the folder has not been created (so I would check a registry flag); >> Create a new folder under My Documents (I'd like to call it >> "WinBMD_Output_Files"); >> Set the registry flag to show it's created. >> If the files have not ben moved (check another flag) >> Copy all the files from the existing Output folder to the >> new folder; >> Create the 2nd flag. >> Switch the Output path to use this new folder >> >> The existing Output folder could stay where it is and all the >> files would >> remain in it?? >> >> People could then move this new folder if they really wanted >> (using the >> existing Setpath feature on the Files menu). >> >> The only minor problem would be if people have installed >> WinBMD elsewhere >> (for examply on a drive of their choice) then their output >> folder would be >> changed to the new one, although again it's easy for them to >> switch back. I >> really don't want to mess about checking where their current >> folder is and >> then dciding whether to move it or not, it's probably error >> prone and overly >> complex. >> >> Any comments? >> >> Ian >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Archer Barrie" <Barrie.Archer@uk.fujitsu.com> >> To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:02 PM >> Subject: RE: re Windows Wish List >> >> >> > Exactly! Just as I have been saying, the *default* should >> be a folder >> > under Documents (My Documents in earlier Windows) then, as >> you imply, it >> > would be easy for users to find. >> > >> > Barrie >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com >> >> [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> >> Keith Simpson >> >> Sent: 28 January 2009 18:00 >> >> To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com >> >> Subject: re Windows Wish List >> >> Importance: High >> >> >> >> After reading all the messages regarding where files of >> >> transcripts are >> >> stored when saved . I would just like to say that a >> picture is worth a >> >> thousand words. When I have a new transcriber who is having >> >> problems I send >> >> them a screenshot of WinBMD . Along with the screen shot I >> >> send detailed >> >> instructions on how to change the default settings to a place >> >> they would >> >> recognise more easily. i.e. Storing their TRANSCRIBED FILES >> >> in the DOCUMENTS >> >> folder. >> >> >> >> So far this has worked and everybody seems quite happy. They >> >> don't have to >> >> go searching their hard drives for folders, which can prove >> >> daunting for new >> >> users of computers. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Keith >> >> >> >> Gandalf Syndicate >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> >> of the message >> >> >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In order to cater for people on a multitude of computers, the default output file location should take full account of where the user's (my) documents folder actually is. On some corporate computers, it is relocated. This can be retrieved from the following registry key; HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\ShellFolders\Personal 2009/2/1 Archer Barrie <Barrie.Archer@uk.fujitsu.com> > I must say that I had envisaged a somewhat simpler process - but that > may be because I do not understand your proposals, or the complexity of > installing WinBMD! > > 1) I WinBMD is not already installed, silently set the output folder to > be under (My )Documents > > 2) If WinBMD is already installed check the output filename in the > configuration file - if it does not start with (My )Documents, ask the > user if you should move it to (My )Documents and if they say "yes", move > the files and change the output filename in the configuration file. > > As I understand it WinBMD currently uses a .ini file to store > configuration data and, I assume, this would not change in the new > version. Having configuration data in both the registry and an .ini is, > from a software engineering point of view, undesirable. > > Also my proposal involves less error checking, e.g. if the first > registry flag is set you have to check if the output folder is already > under (My )Documents. > > Plainly my proposal conflicts with your "I really don't want to mess > about checking where their current folder is and then dciding whether to > move it or not, it's probably error prone and overly complex." But your > proposal seemed to require you find where the current folder is > (otherwise how could you move the files from it?). I can't see that > asking the user if you should move their files for them, and then not > moving them if they answered "no", is complex. > > Finally, having underscore in a (My )Documents folder seems to be very > unusual. It would naturally be "WinBMD Output Files". However, if you > feel it necessary to differentiate the use by having "Output Files" it > would seem to me to be more logical to have this under a "WinBMD" folder > (i.e. (My )Documents\WinBMD\Output Files). > > Barrie > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > > Ian Brooke > > Sent: 31 January 2009 22:39 > > To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: re Windows Wish List > > > > So here's what I would like to change WinBMD to do: > > If the folder has not been created (so I would check a registry flag); > > Create a new folder under My Documents (I'd like to call it > > "WinBMD_Output_Files"); > > Set the registry flag to show it's created. > > If the files have not ben moved (check another flag) > > Copy all the files from the existing Output folder to the > > new folder; > > Create the 2nd flag. > > Switch the Output path to use this new folder > > > > The existing Output folder could stay where it is and all the > > files would > > remain in it?? > > > > People could then move this new folder if they really wanted > > (using the > > existing Setpath feature on the Files menu). > > > > The only minor problem would be if people have installed > > WinBMD elsewhere > > (for examply on a drive of their choice) then their output > > folder would be > > changed to the new one, although again it's easy for them to > > switch back. I > > really don't want to mess about checking where their current > > folder is and > > then dciding whether to move it or not, it's probably error > > prone and overly > > complex. > > > > Any comments? > > > > Ian > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Archer Barrie" <Barrie.Archer@uk.fujitsu.com> > > To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:02 PM > > Subject: RE: re Windows Wish List > > > > > > > Exactly! Just as I have been saying, the *default* should > > be a folder > > > under Documents (My Documents in earlier Windows) then, as > > you imply, it > > > would be easy for users to find. > > > > > > Barrie > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > > >> [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > > >> Keith Simpson > > >> Sent: 28 January 2009 18:00 > > >> To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > > >> Subject: re Windows Wish List > > >> Importance: High > > >> > > >> After reading all the messages regarding where files of > > >> transcripts are > > >> stored when saved . I would just like to say that a > > picture is worth a > > >> thousand words. When I have a new transcriber who is having > > >> problems I send > > >> them a screenshot of WinBMD . Along with the screen shot I > > >> send detailed > > >> instructions on how to change the default settings to a place > > >> they would > > >> recognise more easily. i.e. Storing their TRANSCRIBED FILES > > >> in the DOCUMENTS > > >> folder. > > >> > > >> So far this has worked and everybody seems quite happy. They > > >> don't have to > > >> go searching their hard drives for folders, which can prove > > >> daunting for new > > >> users of computers. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Keith > > >> > > >> Gandalf Syndicate > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > > >> of the message > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > > of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Dave Mayall