Hi, Isn't the problem which program the file is saved to the issue? If saved to Windows NotePad surely it will be OK. Regards Brian Smart -----Original Message----- From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of david mayall Sent: 12 April 2010 13:05 To: freebmd-syndicates Subject: Re: Highlighting Data from "Show File" Page The problem is that you cannot choose the encoding. The data as displayed by show-file is ALWAYS windows-1152, regardless of what is in the headers when you download it, or what system you are going to edit it with. The block on copying has been put in place because it isn't an appropriate way to copy files from the server. Finding ways of getting round the block doesn't actually solve anything. On 12 April 2010 12:21, gypsy <western_oz_synd@skymesh.com.au> wrote: > OK I now do it another way - is this ok or not? > > I look at the file I want in Show File>View Source>Edit out the HTML & save > as .txt > > I then get a chance to choose the encoding > > Teri > > -----Original Message----- > From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of david mayall > Sent: Monday, 12 April 2010 6:57 PM > To: freebmd-syndicates > Subject: Re: Highlighting Data from "Show File" Page > > Yes a block has been introduced. > > Unfortunately, people have been copying the data, and re-uploading it after > modification. > > This causes problems with special characters. > > 2010/4/12 Peter Jones <red_rose_syndicate@yahoo.co.uk> > > > Hi Folks, > > > > Since about noon yesterday I am no longer able to select any data from > > pages displayed via the "Show File" facility, whether it be a single line > or > > using "Edit, Select All" on the Toolbar. Has a block been introduced? > > I look forward to an early response, > > Peter > > > > Peter M Jones > > Red Rose Syndicate > > FreeBMD > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Dave Mayall > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Dave Mayall ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello David, Surely the system needs to be changed so that unacceptable files cannot be uploaded not stopping the copy facility. What is going to be done to replace the facility that was available? Regards Brian Smart -----Original Message----- From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of david mayall Sent: 12 April 2010 11:57 To: freebmd-syndicates Subject: Re: Highlighting Data from "Show File" Page Yes a block has been introduced. Unfortunately, people have been copying the data, and re-uploading it after modification. This causes problems with special characters. 2010/4/12 Peter Jones <red_rose_syndicate@yahoo.co.uk> > Hi Folks, > > Since about noon yesterday I am no longer able to select any data from > pages displayed via the "Show File" facility, whether it be a single line or > using "Edit, Select All" on the Toolbar. Has a block been introduced? > I look forward to an early response, > Peter > > Peter M Jones > Red Rose Syndicate > FreeBMD > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Dave Mayall ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The problem is that you cannot choose the encoding. The data as displayed by show-file is ALWAYS windows-1152, regardless of what is in the headers when you download it, or what system you are going to edit it with. The block on copying has been put in place because it isn't an appropriate way to copy files from the server. Finding ways of getting round the block doesn't actually solve anything. On 12 April 2010 12:21, gypsy <western_oz_synd@skymesh.com.au> wrote: > OK I now do it another way - is this ok or not? > > I look at the file I want in Show File>View Source>Edit out the HTML & save > as .txt > > I then get a chance to choose the encoding > > Teri > > -----Original Message----- > From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of david mayall > Sent: Monday, 12 April 2010 6:57 PM > To: freebmd-syndicates > Subject: Re: Highlighting Data from "Show File" Page > > Yes a block has been introduced. > > Unfortunately, people have been copying the data, and re-uploading it after > modification. > > This causes problems with special characters. > > 2010/4/12 Peter Jones <red_rose_syndicate@yahoo.co.uk> > > > Hi Folks, > > > > Since about noon yesterday I am no longer able to select any data from > > pages displayed via the "Show File" facility, whether it be a single line > or > > using "Edit, Select All" on the Toolbar. Has a block been introduced? > > I look forward to an early response, > > Peter > > > > Peter M Jones > > Red Rose Syndicate > > FreeBMD > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Dave Mayall > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Dave Mayall

Yes a block has been introduced. Unfortunately, people have been copying the data, and re-uploading it after modification. This causes problems with special characters. 2010/4/12 Peter Jones <red_rose_syndicate@yahoo.co.uk> > Hi Folks, > > Since about noon yesterday I am no longer able to select any data from > pages displayed via the "Show File" facility, whether it be a single line or > using "Edit, Select All" on the Toolbar. Has a block been introduced? > I look forward to an early response, > Peter > > Peter M Jones > Red Rose Syndicate > FreeBMD > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Dave Mayall

Hi Folks, Since about noon yesterday I am no longer able to select any data from pages displayed via the "Show File" facility, whether it be a single line or using "Edit, Select All" on the Toolbar. Has a block been introduced?  I look forward to an early response,     Peter Peter M Jones Red Rose Syndicate FreeBMD

The problem with any download system is that it would need to know what system you proposed to use to edit the data. 2010/4/12 gypsy <western_oz_synd@skymesh.com.au> > I must admit, I concur with everything Jeff has said in his email so would > it be possible to make a download facility available to us via Show File or > another page? > > Teri > > Barrie > > Am I right in understanding that what you are saying is that files copied > from Show File should not then be used to be sent back as uploaded files? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Dave Mayall

Barrie Am I right in understanding that what you are saying is that files copied from Show File should not then be used to be sent back as uploaded files? However there can be other good reasons for copying files from Show File. I suspect that like many co-ordinators I copy files or parts of files from Show File and paste them into emails to transcribers, in order to give feedback on transcriptions, or to indicate which lines need changing if a file is to be corrected. Whereas I prefer new transcribers to send me transcription files as email attachments for checking, every now and again there is one who can't work out how to do that and simply send the file to FreeBMD. Again, if a transcriber submits a file for the wrong year, wrong type, or wrong page number it is useful to copy the headers from the uploaded file and indicate what they need to change in File Management to put it right. A co-ordinator cannot take a copy of a transcriber's file from File Management unless the password is known. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barrie Archer" <barrie@myarcher.net> To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 8:24 AM Subject: Show File > Please could I remind everyone that files must not be copied from the > Show File listing. Doing so can cause the character set to be set > incorrectly introducing errors in the transcription. The Download button > in File Management is the method of downloading files. > > Barrie > FreeBMD Quality Assurance Coordinator > > --Certified Virus Free by 4SecureMail.com ICSA-Certified Scanner-- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Please could I remind everyone that files must not be copied from the Show File listing. Doing so can cause the character set to be set incorrectly introducing errors in the transcription. The Download button in File Management is the method of downloading files. Barrie FreeBMD Quality Assurance Coordinator --Certified Virus Free by 4SecureMail.com ICSA-Certified Scanner--

barrie 10/04/08 22:44:30 Modified: html vol_faq.html Log: Remove confusing parenthetical comment about UCF from 6aj Revision Changes Path 1.141 +4 -6 UKGEN-FreeBMD/html/vol_faq.html Index: vol_faq.html =================================================================== RCS file: /home/cvs/UKGEN-FreeBMD/html/vol_faq.html,v retrieving revision 1.140 retrieving revision 1.141 diff -u -r1.140 -r1.141 --- vol_faq.html 6 Apr 2010 08:34:09 -0000 1.140 +++ vol_faq.html 8 Apr 2010 21:44:30 -0000 1.141 @@ -854,11 +854,9 @@ <H4><a name=6aj>6 (aj)&nbsp; I have an entry in which the Mother's name is just a long dash. How do I transcribe it? </a></H4> -Transcribe it as a hyphen (see details of <A HREF='/Format.shtml#ucf'>UCF characters</A> for -information on the use of ? when there are no characters in the field). The same applies -to other fields but <U>not</U> to the dash in the Surname field (i.e. the first field) of -typeset pages which means &quot;repeat the above Surname&quot;; for these you repeat the -Surname. +Transcribe it as a hyphen. The same applies to other fields but <U>not</U> to the dash +in the Surname field (i.e. the first field) of typeset pages which means &quot;repeat +the above Surname&quot;; for these you repeat the Surname. <h4><a name=6ak>6 (ak)&nbsp; How do I transcribe an Index Page where one or more names are out of sequence and their correct place on another page is indicated by an insertion mark (and possibly a comment).</a></h4> <p> @@ -1334,7 +1332,7 @@ <h4><a name="13l">13 (l) &nbsp;My local access point to the fiche or film says they aren't allowed to let me copy pages</a></h4> <P>The copyright holders will grant <A HREF="/Permission.html">permission</A>. <p><p> -<i>Last Updated 6th April 2010</i> +<i>Last Updated 8th April 2010</i> <p> <<pagefooter>>

Thanks very much for making that clear, Barrie. I'd seen debates from time to time on whether fields with dashes should be regarded as "empty", but was not aware the policy had been changed. I haven't seen anything on either the Syndicates or Admins lists about it. Personally, I think that if we are now to use a hyphen, the reference in 6(aj) to the "?" UCF should be removed, as it will confuse people. -- Nowl Barrie wrote on Tue, 6 Apr 2010: >My understanding is that the previous advice to transcribe as a ? was >wrong because it did not correspond to the definitive information ><http://www.freebmd.org.uk/Format.shtml> since it would contravene Type >What You See. In other words transcribing a dash as ? was an >interpretation of what a dash means rather than typing what is there. > >The link to UCF now says "see details of UCF characters for information >on the use of ? when there are no characters in the field". Arguably it >should be removed completely. (Lines starting with - have been removed, >lines starting with + have been added.) > >At some point the definition of ? in UCF was also changed to make it >clearer that it was only used when the field was missing. > >I will change the definition (again!) so that it is clear that a hyphen >should be typed. > >Changes to the Transcribers' Knowledge Base are not yet getting through >automatically (I forwarded the last one) because they need to moderated. >I will try to get this sorted out - if I can find a way to contact the >list moderator! > >Barrie > >On 19:59, Nowl wrote: >> <div class="moz-text-flowed" style="font-family: -moz-fixed">Thanks, >> Barrie, but I'm confused. >> >> It looks as if the revision still says: "Transcribe it as a dash" >> instead of the previous advice to use the ? UCF, but it links to the >> entry for "?" in the UCF table. >> >> Has the rule been changed, or is it a mistake? And if we're to use a >> dash, which character is it, hyphen or underscore? >> >> Thanks for any clarification you can give. For info, here's (part of) >> the "old" wording: >> >> "The long dash indicates that the field is missing, therefore >> transcribe it as ? which means that the field is missing (see details >> of UCF characters)." >> >> -- >> Nowl >> >> >> >> >> >> Barrie wrote on Mon, 5 Apr 2010: >> >>> barrie 10/04/05 20:36:48 >>> >>> Modified: html vol_faq.html >>> Log: >>> Clarify 6aj: Which is the surname field and reference to UCF >>> >>> Revision Changes Path >>> 1.138 +5 -3 UKGEN-FreeBMD/html/vol_faq.html >>> >>> Index: vol_faq.html >>> =================================================================== >>> RCS file: /home/cvs/UKGEN-FreeBMD/html/vol_faq.html,v >>> retrieving revision 1.137 >>> retrieving revision 1.138 >>> diff -u -r1.137 -r1.138 >>> --- vol_faq.html 28 Mar 2010 06:40:44 -0000 1.137 >>> +++ vol_faq.html 5 Apr 2010 19:36:48 -0000 1.138 >>> @@ -854,9 +854,11 @@ >>> >>> <H4><a name=6aj>6 (aj)&nbsp; I have an entry in which the Mother's >>> name is just >>> a long dash. How do I transcribe it? </a></H4> >>> -Transcribe it as a dash (see details of <A >>> HREF='/Format.shtml#ucf'>UCF characters</A>). >>> -The same applies to other fields but <U>not</U> to the dash in the >>> Surname field of typeset pages which >>> -means &quot;repeat the above Surname&quot;; for these you repeat the >>> Surname. >>> +Transcribe it as a dash (see details of <A >>> HREF='/Format.shtml#ucf'>UCF characters</A> for >>> +information on the use of ? when there are no characters in the >>> field). The same applies >>> +to other fields but <U>not</U> to the dash in the Surname field >>> (i.e. the first field) of >>> +typeset pages which means &quot;repeat the above Surname&quot;; for >>> these you repeat the >>> +Surname. >>> >>> <h4><a name=6ak>6 (ak)&nbsp; How do I transcribe an Index Page where >>> one or more names are out of sequence and their >>> correct place on another page is indicated by an insertion mark (and >>> possibly a comment).</a></h4> >>> <p> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --Certified Virus Free by 4SecureMail.com ICSA-Certified Scanner-- >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >--Certified Virus Free by 4SecureMail.com ICSA-Certified Scanner-- > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My understanding is that the previous advice to transcribe as a ? was wrong because it did not correspond to the definitive information <http://www.freebmd.org.uk/Format.shtml> since it would contravene Type What You See. In other words transcribing a dash as ? was an interpretation of what a dash means rather than typing what is there. The link to UCF now says "see details of UCF characters for information on the use of ? when there are no characters in the field". Arguably it should be removed completely. (Lines starting with - have been removed, lines starting with + have been added.) At some point the definition of ? in UCF was also changed to make it clearer that it was only used when the field was missing. I will change the definition (again!) so that it is clear that a hyphen should be typed. Changes to the Transcribers' Knowledge Base are not yet getting through automatically (I forwarded the last one) because they need to moderated. I will try to get this sorted out - if I can find a way to contact the list moderator! Barrie On 19:59, Nowl wrote: > <div class="moz-text-flowed" style="font-family: -moz-fixed">Thanks, > Barrie, but I'm confused. > > It looks as if the revision still says: "Transcribe it as a dash" > instead of the previous advice to use the ? UCF, but it links to the > entry for "?" in the UCF table. > > Has the rule been changed, or is it a mistake? And if we're to use a > dash, which character is it, hyphen or underscore? > > Thanks for any clarification you can give. For info, here's (part of) > the "old" wording: > > "The long dash indicates that the field is missing, therefore > transcribe it as ? which means that the field is missing (see details > of UCF characters)." > > -- > Nowl > > > > > > Barrie wrote on Mon, 5 Apr 2010: > >> barrie 10/04/05 20:36:48 >> >> Modified: html vol_faq.html >> Log: >> Clarify 6aj: Which is the surname field and reference to UCF >> >> Revision Changes Path >> 1.138 +5 -3 UKGEN-FreeBMD/html/vol_faq.html >> >> Index: vol_faq.html >> =================================================================== >> RCS file: /home/cvs/UKGEN-FreeBMD/html/vol_faq.html,v >> retrieving revision 1.137 >> retrieving revision 1.138 >> diff -u -r1.137 -r1.138 >> --- vol_faq.html 28 Mar 2010 06:40:44 -0000 1.137 >> +++ vol_faq.html 5 Apr 2010 19:36:48 -0000 1.138 >> @@ -854,9 +854,11 @@ >> >> <H4><a name=6aj>6 (aj)&nbsp; I have an entry in which the Mother's >> name is just >> a long dash. How do I transcribe it? </a></H4> >> -Transcribe it as a dash (see details of <A >> HREF='/Format.shtml#ucf'>UCF characters</A>). >> -The same applies to other fields but <U>not</U> to the dash in the >> Surname field of typeset pages which >> -means &quot;repeat the above Surname&quot;; for these you repeat the >> Surname. >> +Transcribe it as a dash (see details of <A >> HREF='/Format.shtml#ucf'>UCF characters</A> for >> +information on the use of ? when there are no characters in the >> field). The same applies >> +to other fields but <U>not</U> to the dash in the Surname field >> (i.e. the first field) of >> +typeset pages which means &quot;repeat the above Surname&quot;; for >> these you repeat the >> +Surname. >> >> <h4><a name=6ak>6 (ak)&nbsp; How do I transcribe an Index Page where >> one or more names are out of sequence and their >> correct place on another page is indicated by an insertion mark (and >> possibly a comment).</a></h4> >> <p> >> >> >> >> >> --Certified Virus Free by 4SecureMail.com ICSA-Certified Scanner-- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --Certified Virus Free by 4SecureMail.com ICSA-Certified Scanner--

barrie 10/04/06 09:34:09 Modified: html vol_faq.html Log: Make it clear that a dash should be transcribed as a hyphen Revision Changes Path 1.140 +2 -2 UKGEN-FreeBMD/html/vol_faq.html Index: vol_faq.html =================================================================== RCS file: /home/cvs/UKGEN-FreeBMD/html/vol_faq.html,v retrieving revision 1.139 retrieving revision 1.140 diff -u -r1.139 -r1.140 --- vol_faq.html 5 Apr 2010 20:59:11 -0000 1.139 +++ vol_faq.html 6 Apr 2010 08:34:09 -0000 1.140 @@ -854,7 +854,7 @@ <H4><a name=6aj>6 (aj)&nbsp; I have an entry in which the Mother's name is just a long dash. How do I transcribe it? </a></H4> -Transcribe it as a dash (see details of <A HREF='/Format.shtml#ucf'>UCF characters</A> for +Transcribe it as a hyphen (see details of <A HREF='/Format.shtml#ucf'>UCF characters</A> for information on the use of ? when there are no characters in the field). The same applies to other fields but <U>not</U> to the dash in the Surname field (i.e. the first field) of typeset pages which means &quot;repeat the above Surname&quot;; for these you repeat the @@ -1334,7 +1334,7 @@ <h4><a name="13l">13 (l) &nbsp;My local access point to the fiche or film says they aren't allowed to let me copy pages</a></h4> <P>The copyright holders will grant <A HREF="/Permission.html">permission</A>. <p><p> -<i>Last Updated 5th April 2010</i> +<i>Last Updated 6th April 2010</i> <p> <<pagefooter>>

Thanks, Barrie, but I'm confused. It looks as if the revision still says: "Transcribe it as a dash" instead of the previous advice to use the ? UCF, but it links to the entry for "?" in the UCF table. Has the rule been changed, or is it a mistake? And if we're to use a dash, which character is it, hyphen or underscore? Thanks for any clarification you can give. For info, here's (part of) the "old" wording: "The long dash indicates that the field is missing, therefore transcribe it as ? which means that the field is missing (see details of UCF characters)." -- Nowl Barrie wrote on Mon, 5 Apr 2010: >barrie 10/04/05 20:36:48 > > Modified: html vol_faq.html > Log: > Clarify 6aj: Which is the surname field and reference to UCF > >Revision Changes Path >1.138 +5 -3 UKGEN-FreeBMD/html/vol_faq.html > >Index: vol_faq.html >=================================================================== >RCS file: /home/cvs/UKGEN-FreeBMD/html/vol_faq.html,v >retrieving revision 1.137 >retrieving revision 1.138 >diff -u -r1.137 -r1.138 >--- vol_faq.html 28 Mar 2010 06:40:44 -0000 1.137 >+++ vol_faq.html 5 Apr 2010 19:36:48 -0000 1.138 >@@ -854,9 +854,11 @@ > > <H4><a name=6aj>6 (aj)&nbsp; I have an entry in which the Mother's >name is just > a long dash. How do I transcribe it? </a></H4> >-Transcribe it as a dash (see details of <A >HREF='/Format.shtml#ucf'>UCF characters</A>). >-The same applies to other fields but <U>not</U> to the dash in the >Surname field of typeset pages which >-means &quot;repeat the above Surname&quot;; for these you repeat the Surname. >+Transcribe it as a dash (see details of <A >HREF='/Format.shtml#ucf'>UCF characters</A> for >+information on the use of ? when there are no characters in the >field). The same applies >+to other fields but <U>not</U> to the dash in the Surname field (i.e. >the first field) of >+typeset pages which means &quot;repeat the above Surname&quot;; for >these you repeat the >+Surname. > > <h4><a name=6ak>6 (ak)&nbsp; How do I transcribe an Index Page where >one or more names are out of sequence and their >correct place on another page is indicated by an insertion mark (and >possibly a comment).</a></h4> > <p> > > > > >--Certified Virus Free by 4SecureMail.com ICSA-Certified Scanner-- > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Nowl

barrie 10/04/05 20:36:48 Modified: html vol_faq.html Log: Clarify 6aj: Which is the surname field and reference to UCF Revision Changes Path 1.138 +5 -3 UKGEN-FreeBMD/html/vol_faq.html Index: vol_faq.html =================================================================== RCS file: /home/cvs/UKGEN-FreeBMD/html/vol_faq.html,v retrieving revision 1.137 retrieving revision 1.138 diff -u -r1.137 -r1.138 --- vol_faq.html 28 Mar 2010 06:40:44 -0000 1.137 +++ vol_faq.html 5 Apr 2010 19:36:48 -0000 1.138 @@ -854,9 +854,11 @@ <H4><a name=6aj>6 (aj)&nbsp; I have an entry in which the Mother's name is just a long dash. How do I transcribe it? </a></H4> -Transcribe it as a dash (see details of <A HREF='/Format.shtml#ucf'>UCF characters</A>). -The same applies to other fields but <U>not</U> to the dash in the Surname field of typeset pages which -means &quot;repeat the above Surname&quot;; for these you repeat the Surname. +Transcribe it as a dash (see details of <A HREF='/Format.shtml#ucf'>UCF characters</A> for +information on the use of ? when there are no characters in the field). The same applies +to other fields but <U>not</U> to the dash in the Surname field (i.e. the first field) of +typeset pages which means &quot;repeat the above Surname&quot;; for these you repeat the +Surname. <h4><a name=6ak>6 (ak)&nbsp; How do I transcribe an Index Page where one or more names are out of sequence and their correct place on another page is indicated by an insertion mark (and possibly a comment).</a></h4> <p> --Certified Virus Free by 4SecureMail.com ICSA-Certified Scanner--

barrie 10/04/05 21:59:11 Modified: html vol_faq.html Log: Change last updated date Revision Changes Path 1.139 +1 -1 UKGEN-FreeBMD/html/vol_faq.html Index: vol_faq.html =================================================================== RCS file: /home/cvs/UKGEN-FreeBMD/html/vol_faq.html,v retrieving revision 1.138 retrieving revision 1.139 diff -u -r1.138 -r1.139 --- vol_faq.html 5 Apr 2010 19:36:48 -0000 1.138 +++ vol_faq.html 5 Apr 2010 20:59:11 -0000 1.139 @@ -1334,7 +1334,7 @@ <h4><a name="13l">13 (l) &nbsp;My local access point to the fiche or film says they aren't allowed to let me copy pages</a></h4> <P>The copyright holders will grant <A HREF="/Permission.html">permission</A>. <p><p> -<i>Last Updated 21st March 2010</i> +<i>Last Updated 5th April 2010</i> <p> <<pagefooter>>

Well, the fields are defined <http://www.freebmd.org.uk/Format.shtml> as *Surname*,*GivenNames*,MothersName,District,*Volume*,*Page* so the Surname field _is_ the first field and only the first field. However, it is obviously open to mis-interpretation so I will amend it to make it clear that it is the first field that is being referred to. I have also amended the mailing list for changes so that changes to the TKB are copied to the Syndicates list, as requested by Jeff. So the above change will be a test of that. I will also amend the comment in parentheses. I think it was trying to refer to the use of "?" so that is what I will make it say. Barrie On 19:59, Richard Oliver wrote: > One of my transcribers has queried how to handle a handwritten 'extra' entry that has a long dash in place of the Mother's Maiden Surname; the scan reference is 1938B3-H-0424. > > I have advised him to use a ? mark as being the proper UCF symbol for a Field with no content. He has hit back with an item from the Transcriber's Knowledge Base, copied hereunder: > > _______________________ > 6 (aj) I have an entry in which the Mother's name is just a long dash. How do I transcribe it? > Transcribe it as a dash (see details of UCF characters). The same applies to other fields but not to the dash in the Surname field of typeset pages which means "repeat the above Surname"; for these you repeat the Surname. > > _______________________ > > I have told him that the TKB is wrong in this particular case, and needs correcting. The only field where a dash means "repeat the above Surname" is the first field of any record, that is, the Surname of the person whose BMD record it is. I believe there is no such UCF character as a "dash", only an underscore meaning "single unreadable character". Incidentally, since this was a Late Registration filed in Sep 1942, I have checked scan 1942B3-H-0086 for the typed entry for this record, and the dash is duly typewritten in the MMS column. > > Richard Oliver > Madrid, Spain > richol@arrakis.es > > > --Certified Virus Free by 4SecureMail.com ICSA-Certified Scanner--

Hi To keep you posted on a recent initiative. Some of the early Syndicates transcribed from their own source such as fiche and before the corresponding scans became available on FreeBMD. The result is that there are inconsistencies between the information shown on the Syndicate Allocation page (at: http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/bmd-synd.pl ) and the Scan Allocation Pages (via http://www.freebmd.org.uk/scan-source2.shtml ). Whilst all allocations are shown on the Syndicate Allocation page they are not necessarily shown on the Scan Allocation Pages if transcription were via the Syndicates own source. To remove this inconsistency all allocations given to Syndicates are being added to the Scan Allocation Pages even if transcriptions were via own source. At the same time recently uploaded ANC (Ancestry supplied scan) are being added to the Scan Allocation Pages, in some instances for administration purposes they are shown as third keying. It will take a couple of weeks to complete this exercise (I'm currently up to year 1872), in the meantime if any Coordinator spots an error in the Scan Allocation Pages can they please let me know off list to enable me to correct it. Allan Raymond

To put it bluntly we have made a bit of a mess regarding update to the TKB 6(aj). I queried the wording regarding the dash rather the ? and more or less at the same time introduced a task on the system to have the wording align with the details for UCF. The end result is we now have the confusion mentioned by Richard, I hold my hands up to being party to this confusion. This will be corrected ASAP. To pick on a subsequent point raised by Jeff, there should be no reason why we can't advise Coordinators of changes to the TKB as they occur. Allan Raymond ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Oliver To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 8:55 PM Subject: Empty field in Mother's Maiden Surname One of my transcribers has queried how to handle a handwritten 'extra' entry that has a long dash in place of the Mother's Maiden Surname; the scan reference is 1938B3-H-0424. I have advised him to use a ? mark as being the proper UCF symbol for a Field with no content. He has hit back with an item from the Transcriber's Knowledge Base, copied hereunder: _______________________ 6 (aj) I have an entry in which the Mother's name is just a long dash. How do I transcribe it? Transcribe it as a dash (see details of UCF characters). The same applies to other fields but not to the dash in the Surname field of typeset pages which means "repeat the above Surname"; for these you repeat the Surname. _______________________ I have told him that the TKB is wrong in this particular case, and needs correcting. The only field where a dash means "repeat the above Surname" is the first field of any record, that is, the Surname of the person whose BMD record it is. I believe there is no such UCF character as a "dash", only an underscore meaning "single unreadable character". Incidentally, since this was a Late Registration filed in Sep 1942, I have checked scan 1942B3-H-0086 for the typed entry for this record, and the dash is duly typewritten in the MMS column. Richard Oliver Madrid, Spain richol@arrakis.es ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jeff Coleman wrote on Sun, 4 Apr 2010: >Until recently I was sure that it said you had to put a ? in if a mother or >spouse surname field had a long dash, just as you use ? for volume if there >is no volume shown in a handwritten addition. It still has the old link to >the UCF characters in the new text, but of course a dash is not a UCF >character. You're right, Jeff, I was sure of that as well. I looked for previous versions of the page on the Wayback Machine: http://www.archive.org/ . The last one archived there (June 2008) gave this answer to 6(aj): /Quote: The long dash indicates that the field is missing, therefore transcribe it as ? which means that the field is missing (see details of UCF characters). The same applies to other indicators of missing fields, such as wavy lines, but not to the dash in the Surname field of typeset pages which means "repeat the above Surname"; for these you repeat the Surname. /Unquote >Checking my outgoing emails I sent one to that effect to a transcriber >as recently as 20th March this year, and copied in the URL for the >link, so I must have looked at it then. If items in TKB are changed, >it would be very helpful if this list is advised at the same time. Echoed. I am expecting/hoping it's a recent mistake caused when the page was updated. -- Nowl

The present advice in TKB 6(aj) is - quote- 6 (aj) I have an entry in which the Mother's name is just a long dash. How do I transcribe it? Transcribe it as a dash (see details of UCF characters). The same applies to other fields but not to the dash in the Surname field of typeset pages which means "repeat the above Surname"; for these you repeat the Surname. I am sure this must be wrong, as a file with a dash in that field is rejected when an attempt to upload it is made (whether WinBMD or the FreeBMD system produces the error I'm not sure. If there is no data in a field , it should be a question mark (?), not an underscore (_). Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Coleman" <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com> To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 10:31 PM Subject: Re: Empty field in Mother's Maiden Surname > Richard, I was going to ask a question about 6(aj) as well. My impression > is > that it has been rewritten recently. > One of my transcribers has just misunderstood it and thought he had to put > in the surname from the line above. the scan is 1948B1-H-0071 > > Until recently I was sure that it said you had to put a ? in if a mother > or > spouse surname field had a long dash, just as you use ? for volume if > there > is no volume shown in a handwritten addition. It still has the old link to > the UCF characters in the new text, but of course a dash is not a UCF > character. > > Checking my outgoing emails I sent one to that effect to a transcriber as > recently as 20th March this year, and copied in the URL for the link, so I > must have looked at it then. > > If items in TKB are changed, it would be very helpful if this list is > advised at the same time. > > Jeff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Oliver" <richol@arrakis.es> > To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 8:55 PM > Subject: Empty field in Mother's Maiden Surname > > >> One of my transcribers has queried how to handle a handwritten 'extra' >> entry that has a long dash in place of the Mother's Maiden Surname; the >> scan reference is 1938B3-H-0424. >> >> I have advised him to use a ? mark as being the proper UCF symbol for a >> Field with no content. He has hit back with an item from the >> Transcriber's Knowledge Base, copied hereunder: >> >> _______________________ >> 6 (aj) I have an entry in which the Mother's name is just a long dash. >> How do I transcribe it? >> Transcribe it as a dash (see details of UCF characters). The same applies >> to other fields but not to the dash in the Surname field of typeset pages >> which means "repeat the above Surname"; for these you repeat the Surname. >> >> _______________________ >> >> I have told him that the TKB is wrong in this particular case, and needs >> correcting. The only field where a dash means "repeat the above Surname" >> is the first field of any record, that is, the Surname of the person >> whose >> BMD record it is. I believe there is no such UCF character as a "dash", >> only an underscore meaning "single unreadable character". Incidentally, >> since this was a Late Registration filed in Sep 1942, I have checked scan >> 1942B3-H-0086 for the typed entry for this record, and the dash is duly >> typewritten in the MMS column. >> >> Richard Oliver >> Madrid, Spain >> richol@arrakis.es >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >