There's also a slowdown problem with Upload. Very bad last night (NZ time) and return notification box failing most of the time - though file sometimes there. Still bad this morning. Melda Brunette, Brunette Syndicate Allan Raymond wrote: >>I'm having the same problem. >> >>Allan Raymond >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: John Mellors <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>Date: 03 July 2004 15:29 >>Subject: Show File & File Management Pages >> >> >> >> >>>Is anyone experiencing problems with Show File & File Management. >>> >>>Irrespective of time of day I am suffering a severe slow down in >>>access. >>> >>>I have a 512k connection and everything else seems to be normal >>> >>>Regards >>>John Mellors >>> >>> >>>==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== >>>For those in -L mode, to unsubscribe from this mailing list please send >>> >>> >the > > >>command UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message to - >> >> >>>[email protected] >>> >>>============================== >>>Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >>>Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >>> >>> >>> > > > >==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== >Want to help FreeBMD? >Go to http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/Signup.html to find out how. > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > >

On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 15:32:22 +0100, you wrote: >Is anyone experiencing problems with Show File & File Management. > >Irrespective of time of day I am suffering a severe slow down in >access. > >I have a 512k connection and everything else seems to be normal OK, I've just tweaked it, and it should be better now. -- Dave Mayall

Steve Trying to email you but it keeps being returned - which, of course, means the latest will get through. -- Philip Powell Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland to The Cheviot

I've just received this message from one of my transcribers who is currently in England, can anyone assist her in her plight. Please reply to:<[email protected]> and if you can also CC to me, I would be obliged >I have finally finished my last assignment (whew) and today tried to send it >to FreeBMD only to receive the following message >File Upload Failed >Error in Upload >Your file was NOT sent >The UserID you specified is not known by FreeBMD >You should use Edit User to correct your User ID and then retry the Upload >I am afraid I don't understand this at all. Can you advise me what might be >going wrong? I have gone to Edit User and there is no User ID mentioned >there, only Submitter ID which is ..........., as is the password. Both >given to me by you and used successfully in the past. >Help!!! >Hazel M Gray Tony Meighan Syndicate Co-ordinator "The Aussie Scribe Tribe" Transcribing March Qtr Deaths 1908 for FreeBMD All Incoming and Outgoing mail is scanned by Trend Micro Internet Security 2004

I have problems with ShowProgress.pl, aliasing-tools.pl, the home page, and also the File Management page (bmd-files.pl). Regards Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Mellors" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 4:32 PM Subject: Show File & File Management Pages > Is anyone experiencing problems with Show File & File Management. > > Irrespective of time of day I am suffering a severe slow down in > access. > > I have a 512k connection and everything else seems to be normal > > Regards > John Mellors > > > ==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== > For those in -L mode, to unsubscribe from this mailing list please send the command UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message to - > [email protected] > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

>I'm having the same problem. > >Allan Raymond > >-----Original Message----- >From: John Mellors <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >Date: 03 July 2004 15:29 >Subject: Show File & File Management Pages > > >>Is anyone experiencing problems with Show File & File Management. >> >>Irrespective of time of day I am suffering a severe slow down in >>access. >> >>I have a 512k connection and everything else seems to be normal >> >>Regards >>John Mellors >> >> >>==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== >>For those in -L mode, to unsubscribe from this mailing list please send the >command UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message to - >>[email protected] >> >>============================== >>Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >>Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> >

I have just failed to get any response from File Management. Derek Lowe John Mellors wrote: >Is anyone experiencing problems with Show File & File Management. > >Irrespective of time of day I am suffering a severe slow down in >access. > >I have a 512k connection and everything else seems to be normal > >Regards >John Mellors > > >==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== >For those in -L mode, to unsubscribe from this mailing list please send the command UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message to - >[email protected] > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > >

John Same problems here, and my link s 3Mb. Also having trouble logging onto syndicate maintenance. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: John Mellors [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 03 July 2004 15:32 To: [email protected] Subject: Show File & File Management Pages Is anyone experiencing problems with Show File & File Management. Irrespective of time of day I am suffering a severe slow down in access. I have a 512k connection and everything else seems to be normal Regards John Mellors ==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== For those in -L mode, to unsubscribe from this mailing list please send the command UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message to - [email protected] ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.713 / Virus Database: 469 - Release Date: 2004-06-30

Is anyone experiencing problems with Show File & File Management. Irrespective of time of day I am suffering a severe slow down in access. I have a 512k connection and everything else seems to be normal Regards John Mellors

On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:17:26 +0100 , you wrote: >This works for me. As a bonus I got two opportunities to save the file >rather than open it! Yes, I don't get why it does that either! I've done some work on refining the conversion routines today, and *hopefully* sorted some of the excessive file sizes on gif/jpg files. Next week I will be looking at giving people the choice of download formats :-) -- Dave Mayall

This works for me. As a bonus I got two opportunities to save the file rather than open it! Clive Essery -----Original Message----- From: Dave Mayall [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 01 July 2004 16:02 To: [email protected] Subject: Addressing the TIFF file problem and a new initiative Going by the early feedback on the public access to the images, there are five main gripes; 1) Problems with XP and tiff files 2) Some people have no tiff viewer 3) People want to resize etc images 4) Filename when saving 5) "?" in dropdowns 1 and 2 are major issues, whilst 3 and 4 are more a case of "does sir want the moon on a stick", but hey-ho, if the masses don't get what they want, they write in with endless suggestions as to how it could be done differently, and we get no peace. Point 5 is a poor bit of HCI. I got some way down the track with doing on the fly tiff>jpg conversions to resolve 1 and 2 and added the code to fix 4 and 5. Unfortunately, it seems that all TIFF files are not equal, and some of ours are not standards compliant :-( They cause no problems until you try to convert them to jpgs, where they upset our conversion routines. So, a re-think was in order, and I'd like people to take a look at the prototype of a revised version, which converts all files on the public interface (but not the transcriber interface) to pdf files. This resolves file format problems, and provides a viewer that allows re- sizing, so might even keep the punters happy. It allso allows us to embed a "provided by FreeBMD" into the file, to catch naughty people trying to sell the images. Other enhancements; "?" replaced by "A-Z" in menus better handling of letter ranges in menus file name embedded in output user presented with open/save option box Can people have a play! http://images2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/choose4.pl And the New Initiative.... Is something that I can claim absolutely no credit whatsoever for. Bob Phillips has set up a mini project to deal with the very worst scans, in particular those scans which are so poor on the film that a conventional re- scan won't help. Bob's project is described at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robert.phillips40/rescans.htm Basically we get volunteers with digital cameras to go to the FRC and photograph the particularly bad pages from the books. It's an idea which is breathtakingly simple, but it needed someone to think it and to drive it forward, and a big round of applause to Bob for that. I know that Bob would like to take the project further, so if you live in London, have a digital camera, and fancy having a go, please get in touch with Bod. -- Dave Mayall - -------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net ______________________________ ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify our Help Desk. Email [email protected] immediately. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. NATS computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. ********************************************************************************************************************************************

I get exactly the same situation as Mary. I can see the scans allocated to my syndicate no problem, but looking through the public interface I just get a mid grey page. My version of IE is 5.50.4807.2300 running under NT4. Clive -----Original Message----- From: Mary Trevan [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 30 June 2004 20:28 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: How to View TIF/TIFF files in XP Hi Ian Thanks for that, but it seems that it doesn't work on my configuration for the public interface :o( although it *does* work for the transcibers interface :o) .... and I do not intend to even attempt to work out why! It did not install exactly 'as advertised' (i.e. I did not see the sample security window) and when I use chose.pl on TIFF files (eg my latest allocation from you in 1840B1) all I see is a grey page with the Alernatiff icons above it rather than the TIF image. Even after following the link they provide (If AlternaTIFF works here but not on other web pages, click here to reactivate it.) the result is the same. Using the 'View Image' menu option gives a "The page cannot be displayed' type of page. However going the transcribers route through the GUS structure to http://www.freebmd.org.uk/GUS/1840/Births/March/UKD-02/A-L/1840B1-B-0407.tif results in a nice display that can be read without needing to resize it (as is needed with the GIF files that I found that can be displayed by my version of Internet Explorer on my version of Windows XP). Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Brooke To: Mary Trevan ; [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 5:49 PM Subject: Re: How to View TIF/TIFF files in XP Hi Mary, Actually I couldn't remember where I got it from at the time but I should have looked it up, sorry. http://www.alternatiff.com and it is very quick and easy. I've had no problems with it at all (in fact you can't even tell it's there until you click on a tiff in your browser) - I haven't however looked into how to uninstall it should I ever need to. Regards Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Trevan To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:20 AM Subject: Re: How to View TIF/TIFF files in XP Hi Ian I stand corrected! I stopped reading when I reached the sentence "You can however definitely download the scans to disc by right-clicking on the page link and selecting "Save Target As"." because my browser does not get as far as this. Instead of a page link with a "Save Taregt As" option or a pop-up window with a choice of Open or Save, all I get is a window with an icon that usually represents a broken link. You didn't say where you found Alternatiff - if it's quick and easy I might install it. Regards Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Brooke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:46 AM Subject: Re: How to View TIF/TIFF files in XP > Hi Mary, > What you say here is not entirely correct. It *is* possible to open a scan in IE 6 under XP Pro via the general public link IF you have the "Alternatiff" scan viewer that I mentioned in my previous email. Having opened it on screen it is also then possible to save it to disc. > Ian > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mary Trevan > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: How to View TIF/TIFF files in XP > > > Sorry Ian, but like several other helpful people on this list who have been > praising Irfanview, you've got hold of the wrong end of the stick. > > The new route available to the general public which uses page > http://images.freebmdorg.uk/cgi/choose.pl does *not* provide any way of > downloading the image. > > This does *not* affect the existing mechanism for transcribers, just the > mechanism for the general public to view the scans using the new button on > the home page. The reason for the problem is a bug in Internet Explorer and > it affects a number of version of OS, including XP. The fixes are different > per OS, but for XP it requires an upgrade of XP itself (or change to using > another browser!) > > And since I was only trying it to test out the new software before it went > live, I do not need to fix the problem on my PC, so please, no more offers > to help solve my 'problem' :o) > > Mary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Brooke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: How to View TIF/TIFF files in XP > > > > Hi Ted, > > I also have problems using XP Pro and I can't open the scans in the manner > you describe either. You can however definitely download the scans to disc > by right-clicking on the page link and selecting "Save Target As". It is > also possible to open them 'on screen' but only by using a different scan > viewer - there's one called "Alternatiff" which can add it's own toolbar to > IE and when you click on a tiff in IE the new viewer opens and displays it - > it's not as good as Irfan though (it only has 90 degree rotates and 1 level > of zoom) but it works fine for me. > > Ian > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ted Southcombe > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 12:41 PM > > Subject: Re: How to View TIF/TIFF files in XP > > > > > > Sorry Garry, but there is a deeper problem. I have always had all > graphics > > files including TIF and TIFF associated with Irfanview in File Types. > > Downloads from the existing Scan Source site have always opened opened > with > > no problems. It's just the new procedure which sends the downloaded > file > > directly to Internet Explorer > > that causes problems as there is no step to save the downloading file to > a > > folder. I gather from correspondance here and on Soc.genealogy.britain > that > > I'm not the only one experiancing this diffilulty. > > > > I'm happy to wait until Dave and his team resolve the situation in their > > own time. Maybe XP SP2 will resolve these problems when it eventually > > arrives ? > > > > Ted > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kiwiz" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 1:31 AM > > Subject: How to View TIF/TIFF files in XP > > > > > > > > > > Hello Ted > > > I have XP-PRO SP1 and you can make XP open tifs with Irfranview; > > > Open Explorer - RIGHT-click on START > > > On Menu select Tools - Folder Options > > > Click on File Types tab > > > Scroll down to TIF under Extensions > > > Select Change (TIFF will change too) > > > You should have Irfranview as a choice - select it > > > If it's not there go Browse and find Irfranview > > > Click on Ok > > > Open a tif file from FreeBMD and it should open in Irfranview > > > > > > also applies to Win98,Mil,2000 with slight variations in options > > > > > > Garry > > > Kiwiz Syndicate Co-ordinator > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ted Southcombe > > > To: Kiwiz ; [email protected] > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 1:17 AM > > > Subject: Re: Viewing Tif/tiff files > > > Yes, Irfanview is great and I use it. But it's not the answer > here - > > the > > > downloads won't open in my Internet Explorer running under XP Home > SP1. > > I > > > have no problems with TIF, TIFF files in any other respect including > > > downloads using the existing procedure. > > > Ted Southcombe > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Kiwiz" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 10:36 AM > > > Subject: Viewing Tif/tiff files > > > > > > > For those having trouble with tiff files. > > > > This Viewer is my favorite for viewing scans, it's easy to use and > one > > can > > > flick backwards and forwards to other scans quickly. It views most > file > > > types and downloads in 2 mins @ 56k. > > > > http://www.irfanview.com/ > > > > > > > > Garry > > > > Kiwiz Syndicate Co-ordinator > > > > > > > > > ==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== > > > For those in -L mode, to unsubscribe from this mailing list please > send > > the command UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message to - > > > [email protected] > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== > > Want to help FreeBMD? > > Go to http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/Signup.html to find out how. > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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The new system works fine, a pdf image and it can be saved if required. My not very new XP did not seem to have trouble before, producing an image in Infranview, which could be saved. I feel that if there are people out there are using XP systems pre SP1 they should apply that, and the security mods, as soon as possible, there has been enough written about it. Regards, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Mayall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:02 PM Subject: Addressing the TIFF file problem and a new initiative > Going by the early feedback on the public access to the images, there are five > main gripes; > > 1) Problems with XP and tiff files > 2) Some people have no tiff viewer > 3) People want to resize etc images > 4) Filename when saving > 5) "?" in dropdowns > > 1 and 2 are major issues, whilst 3 and 4 are more a case of "does sir want the > moon on a stick", but hey-ho, if the masses don't get what they want, they > write in with endless suggestions as to how it could be done differently, and > we get no peace. Point 5 is a poor bit of HCI. > > I got some way down the track with doing on the fly tiff>jpg conversions to > resolve 1 and 2 and added the code to fix 4 and 5. > > Unfortunately, it seems that all TIFF files are not equal, and some of ours > are not standards compliant :-( They cause no problems until you try to > convert them to jpgs, where they upset our conversion routines. > > So, a re-think was in order, and I'd like people to take a look at the > prototype of a revised version, which converts all files on the public > interface (but not the transcriber interface) to pdf files. > > This resolves file format problems, and provides a viewer that allows re- > sizing, so might even keep the punters happy. It allso allows us to embed > a "provided by FreeBMD" into the file, to catch naughty people trying to sell > the images. > > Other enhancements; > "?" replaced by "A-Z" in menus > better handling of letter ranges in menus > file name embedded in output > user presented with open/save option box > > Can people have a play! > > http://images2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/choose4.pl > > And the New Initiative.... > > Is something that I can claim absolutely no credit whatsoever for. > > Bob Phillips has set up a mini project to deal with the very worst scans, in > particular those scans which are so poor on the film that a conventional re- > scan won't help. > > Bob's project is described at > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robert.phillips40/rescans.htm > > Basically we get volunteers with digital cameras to go to the FRC and > photograph the particularly bad pages from the books. > > It's an idea which is breathtakingly simple, but it needed someone to think it > and to drive it forward, and a big round of applause to Bob for that. > > I know that Bob would like to take the project further, so if you live in > London, have a digital camera, and fancy having a go, please get in touch with > Bod. > > -- > Dave Mayall > > - -------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net > > ______________________________

> Can people have a play! > > http://images2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/choose4.pl It works just fine for me too - thanks Dave. > And the New Initiative.... Nice one Bob :o) Regards Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Mayall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 5:02 PM Subject: Addressing the TIFF file problem and a new initiative > Going by the early feedback on the public access to the images, there are five > main gripes; > > 1) Problems with XP and tiff files > 2) Some people have no tiff viewer > 3) People want to resize etc images > 4) Filename when saving > 5) "?" in dropdowns > > 1 and 2 are major issues, whilst 3 and 4 are more a case of "does sir want the > moon on a stick", but hey-ho, if the masses don't get what they want, they > write in with endless suggestions as to how it could be done differently, and > we get no peace. Point 5 is a poor bit of HCI. > > I got some way down the track with doing on the fly tiff>jpg conversions to > resolve 1 and 2 and added the code to fix 4 and 5. > > Unfortunately, it seems that all TIFF files are not equal, and some of ours > are not standards compliant :-( They cause no problems until you try to > convert them to jpgs, where they upset our conversion routines. > > So, a re-think was in order, and I'd like people to take a look at the > prototype of a revised version, which converts all files on the public > interface (but not the transcriber interface) to pdf files. > > This resolves file format problems, and provides a viewer that allows re- > sizing, so might even keep the punters happy. It allso allows us to embed > a "provided by FreeBMD" into the file, to catch naughty people trying to sell > the images. > > Other enhancements; > "?" replaced by "A-Z" in menus > better handling of letter ranges in menus > file name embedded in output > user presented with open/save option box > > Can people have a play! > > http://images2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/choose4.pl > > And the New Initiative.... > > Is something that I can claim absolutely no credit whatsoever for. > > Bob Phillips has set up a mini project to deal with the very worst scans, in > particular those scans which are so poor on the film that a conventional re- > scan won't help. > > Bob's project is described at > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robert.phillips40/rescans.htm > > Basically we get volunteers with digital cameras to go to the FRC and > photograph the particularly bad pages from the books. > > It's an idea which is breathtakingly simple, but it needed someone to think it > and to drive it forward, and a big round of applause to Bob for that. > > I know that Bob would like to take the project further, so if you live in > London, have a digital camera, and fancy having a go, please get in touch with > Bod. > > -- > Dave Mayall > > ---------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net > > > ==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== > Want to help FreeBMD? > Go to http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/Signup.html to find out how. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

In message <[email protected]>, Dave Mayall <[email protected]> writes >Going by the early feedback on the public access to the images, there are five >main gripes; [snip] >Can people have a play! > >http://images2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/choose4.pl Works just fine here with a "virgin" install of XP Pro. Would people need reminding that they need a reader for it and should a link be provided? -- Philip Powell Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland to The Cheviot

Dave's latest procedure ......../choose4.pl worked OK for me getting a satisfactory PDF image downloaded to a folder of choice. Thanks, Dave. Ted Southcombe

Going by the early feedback on the public access to the images, there are five main gripes; 1) Problems with XP and tiff files 2) Some people have no tiff viewer 3) People want to resize etc images 4) Filename when saving 5) "?" in dropdowns 1 and 2 are major issues, whilst 3 and 4 are more a case of "does sir want the moon on a stick", but hey-ho, if the masses don't get what they want, they write in with endless suggestions as to how it could be done differently, and we get no peace. Point 5 is a poor bit of HCI. I got some way down the track with doing on the fly tiff>jpg conversions to resolve 1 and 2 and added the code to fix 4 and 5. Unfortunately, it seems that all TIFF files are not equal, and some of ours are not standards compliant :-( They cause no problems until you try to convert them to jpgs, where they upset our conversion routines. So, a re-think was in order, and I'd like people to take a look at the prototype of a revised version, which converts all files on the public interface (but not the transcriber interface) to pdf files. This resolves file format problems, and provides a viewer that allows re- sizing, so might even keep the punters happy. It allso allows us to embed a "provided by FreeBMD" into the file, to catch naughty people trying to sell the images. Other enhancements; "?" replaced by "A-Z" in menus better handling of letter ranges in menus file name embedded in output user presented with open/save option box Can people have a play! http://images2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/choose4.pl And the New Initiative.... Is something that I can claim absolutely no credit whatsoever for. Bob Phillips has set up a mini project to deal with the very worst scans, in particular those scans which are so poor on the film that a conventional re- scan won't help. Bob's project is described at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robert.phillips40/rescans.htm Basically we get volunteers with digital cameras to go to the FRC and photograph the particularly bad pages from the books. It's an idea which is breathtakingly simple, but it needed someone to think it and to drive it forward, and a big round of applause to Bob for that. I know that Bob would like to take the project further, so if you live in London, have a digital camera, and fancy having a go, please get in touch with Bod. -- Dave Mayall ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net

Dave: I just ran some tests using Mac OS 10 on several files and all works perfectly. Congratulations. What would it take to develop a conversion table to determine the alphabetic correspondence to the numerical GUS listings? Between us all we have a tremendous resource of data information. I would be very pleased to be involved in collection and collation of the info, assuming there is sufficient interest in doing so. Peter Adams On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Dave Mayall wrote: > Going by the early feedback on the public access to the images, there are five > main gripes; > > 1) Problems with XP and tiff files > 2) Some people have no tiff viewer > 3) People want to resize etc images > 4) Filename when saving > 5) "?" in dropdowns > > 1 and 2 are major issues, whilst 3 and 4 are more a case of "does sir want the > moon on a stick", but hey-ho, if the masses don't get what they want, they > write in with endless suggestions as to how it could be done differently, and > we get no peace. Point 5 is a poor bit of HCI. > > I got some way down the track with doing on the fly tiff>jpg conversions to > resolve 1 and 2 and added the code to fix 4 and 5. > > Unfortunately, it seems that all TIFF files are not equal, and some of ours > are not standards compliant :-( They cause no problems until you try to > convert them to jpgs, where they upset our conversion routines. > > So, a re-think was in order, and I'd like people to take a look at the > prototype of a revised version, which converts all files on the public > interface (but not the transcriber interface) to pdf files. > > This resolves file format problems, and provides a viewer that allows re- > sizing, so might even keep the punters happy. It allso allows us to embed > a "provided by FreeBMD" into the file, to catch naughty people trying to sell > the images. > > Other enhancements; > "?" replaced by "A-Z" in menus > better handling of letter ranges in menus > file name embedded in output > user presented with open/save option box > > Can people have a play! > > http://images2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/choose4.pl > > And the New Initiative.... > > Is something that I can claim absolutely no credit whatsoever for. > > Bob Phillips has set up a mini project to deal with the very worst scans, in > particular those scans which are so poor on the film that a conventional re- > scan won't help. > > Bob's project is described at > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robert.phillips40/rescans.htm > > Basically we get volunteers with digital cameras to go to the FRC and > photograph the particularly bad pages from the books. > > It's an idea which is breathtakingly simple, but it needed someone to think it > and to drive it forward, and a big round of applause to Bob for that. > > I know that Bob would like to take the project further, so if you live in > London, have a digital camera, and fancy having a go, please get in touch with > Bod. > > -- > Dave Mayall > > ---------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net > > > ==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== > Want to help FreeBMD? > Go to http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/Signup.html to find out how. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Dave, I can't say that I had any problems with the TIF files, but I do like to idea of the PDF's. Especially adding in a "provided by FreeBMD" message I downloaded a few pages and types of files and generally the PDF is smaller than the original, but on one particular image 1853M2 Page 070 via the transcriber page and got a 185K gif file. The PDF came in at a massive 2,072K This solution may well solve the TIF issue, but could cause some bandwidth problems. Generally the pdf is smaller e.g. 1858B3-0269x was a gif of 174K and a pdf of 160K TIf files also seem to be smaller 287K compared to 293K Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Dave Mayall [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 01 July 2004 16:02 To: [email protected] Subject: Addressing the TIFF file problem and a new initiative Going by the early feedback on the public access to the images, there are five main gripes; 1) Problems with XP and tiff files 2) Some people have no tiff viewer 3) People want to resize etc images 4) Filename when saving 5) "?" in dropdowns 1 and 2 are major issues, whilst 3 and 4 are more a case of "does sir want the moon on a stick", but hey-ho, if the masses don't get what they want, they write in with endless suggestions as to how it could be done differently, and we get no peace. Point 5 is a poor bit of HCI. I got some way down the track with doing on the fly tiff>jpg conversions to resolve 1 and 2 and added the code to fix 4 and 5. Unfortunately, it seems that all TIFF files are not equal, and some of ours are not standards compliant :-( They cause no problems until you try to convert them to jpgs, where they upset our conversion routines. So, a re-think was in order, and I'd like people to take a look at the prototype of a revised version, which converts all files on the public interface (but not the transcriber interface) to pdf files. This resolves file format problems, and provides a viewer that allows re- sizing, so might even keep the punters happy. It allso allows us to embed a "provided by FreeBMD" into the file, to catch naughty people trying to sell the images. Other enhancements; "?" replaced by "A-Z" in menus better handling of letter ranges in menus file name embedded in output user presented with open/save option box Can people have a play! http://images2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/choose4.pl And the New Initiative.... Is something that I can claim absolutely no credit whatsoever for. Bob Phillips has set up a mini project to deal with the very worst scans, in particular those scans which are so poor on the film that a conventional re- scan won't help. Bob's project is described at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robert.phillips40/rescans.htm Basically we get volunteers with digital cameras to go to the FRC and photograph the particularly bad pages from the books. It's an idea which is breathtakingly simple, but it needed someone to think it and to drive it forward, and a big round of applause to Bob for that. I know that Bob would like to take the project further, so if you live in London, have a digital camera, and fancy having a go, please get in touch with Bod. -- Dave Mayall ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net ==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== Want to help FreeBMD? Go to http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/Signup.html to find out how. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.713 / Virus Database: 469 - Release Date: 2004-06-30

Hi John I'm very pleased for you. On my PC all the test pages they provide work ( http://www.alternatiff.com/testpage.html etc) , but not http://images.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/choose.pl So I deinstalled (after doing the Active-X control type 1 auto-install) and did the advanced installation (type 2 install) and still get the same behaviour. Regards Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Slann" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 6:14 AM Subject: Re: How to View TIF/TIFF files in XP > For anyone who has access to the Microsoft Windows XP magazine issue 34 the > cover disc includes ABF IE tools including Alternatiff. > > It works and I can now use http://images.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/choose.pl > > Great > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Brooke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:46 PM > Subject: Re: How to View TIF/TIFF files in XP > > > > Hi Mary, > > What you say here is not entirely correct. It *is* possible to open a > scan in IE 6 under XP Pro via the general public link IF you have the > "Alternatiff" scan viewer that I mentioned in my previous email. Having > opened it on screen it is also then possible to save it to disc. > > Ian > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mary Trevan > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 2:26 PM > > Subject: Re: How to View TIF/TIFF files in XP > > > > > > Sorry Ian, but like several other helpful people on this list who have > been > > praising Irfanview, you've got hold of the wrong end of the stick. > > > > The new route available to the general public which uses page > > http://images.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/choose.pl does *not* provide any way > of > > downloading the image. > > > > This does *not* affect the existing mechanism for transcribers, just the > > mechanism for the general public to view the scans using the new button > on > > the home page. The reason for the problem is a bug in Internet Explorer > and > > it affects a number of version of OS, including XP. The fixes are > different > > per OS, but for XP it requires an upgrade of XP itself (or change to > using > > another browser!) > > > > And since I was only trying it to test out the new software before it > went > > live, I do not need to fix the problem on my PC, so please, no more > offers > > to help solve my 'problem' :o) > > > > Mary > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ian Brooke" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:02 PM > > Subject: Re: How to View TIF/TIFF files in XP > > > > > > > Hi Ted, > > > I also have problems using XP Pro and I can't open the scans in the > manner > > you describe either. You can however definitely download the scans to > disc > > by right-clicking on the page link and selecting "Save Target As". It > is > > also possible to open them 'on screen' but only by using a different > scan > > viewer - there's one called "Alternatiff" which can add it's own toolbar > to > > IE and when you click on a tiff in IE the new viewer opens and displays > it - > > it's not as good as Irfan though (it only has 90 degree rotates and 1 > level > > of zoom) but it works fine for me. > > > Ian > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ted Southcombe > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 12:41 PM > > > Subject: Re: How to View TIF/TIFF files in XP > > > > > > > > > Sorry Garry, but there is a deeper problem. I have always had all > > graphics > > > files including TIF and TIFF associated with Irfanview in File > Types. > > > Downloads from the existing Scan Source site have always opened > opened > > with > > > no problems. It's just the new procedure which sends the downloaded > > file > > > directly to Internet Explorer > > > that causes problems as there is no step to save the downloading > file to > > a > > > folder. I gather from correspondance here and on > Soc.genealogy.britain > > that > > > I'm not the only one experiancing this diffilulty. > > > > > > I'm happy to wait until Dave and his team resolve the situation in > their > > > own time. Maybe XP SP2 will resolve these problems when it > eventually > > > arrives ? > > > > > > Ted > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Kiwiz" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 1:31 AM > > > Subject: How to View TIF/TIFF files in XP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Ted > > > > I have XP-PRO SP1 and you can make XP open tifs with Irfranview; > > > > Open Explorer - RIGHT-click on START > > > > On Menu select Tools - Folder Options > > > > Click on File Types tab > > > > Scroll down to TIF under Extensions > > > > Select Change (TIFF will change too) > > > > You should have Irfranview as a choice - select it > > > > If it's not there go Browse and find Irfranview > > > > Click on Ok > > > > Open a tif file from FreeBMD and it should open in Irfranview > > > > > > > > also applies to Win98,Mil,2000 with slight variations in options > > > > > > > > Garry > > > > Kiwiz Syndicate Co-ordinator > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Ted Southcombe > > > > To: Kiwiz ; [email protected] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 1:17 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Viewing Tif/tiff files > > > > Yes, Irfanview is great and I use it. But it's not the answer > > here - > > > the > > > > downloads won't open in my Internet Explorer running under XP > Home > > SP1. > > > I > > > > have no problems with TIF, TIFF files in any other respect > including > > > > downloads using the existing procedure. > > > > Ted Southcombe > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Kiwiz" <[email protected]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 10:36 AM > > > > Subject: Viewing Tif/tiff files > > > > > > > > > For those having trouble with tiff files. > > > > > This Viewer is my favorite for viewing scans, it's easy to use > and > > one > > > can > > > > flick backwards and forwards to other scans quickly. 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