Hi Steve et al There is a very good reason for one file two pages on double page scans. This revolves around Scan2's automated allocation systems and the proper control of transcribed Pages. It is not a requirement for FreeBMD But SCAN2 System to function correctly IT IS A REQUIREMENT. One allocation is one transcribed file (may be one or two pages) At 01:05 PM 09/07/2004, Steve Gaunt wrote: >Well, as far as I know and from what seems logical, is that each page is a >seperate file; double page scan 250 for example, would return two files, 250 >and 251. That is what Croscan has been doing; why would it need to be one >file just because it is one image? It is still two distinct pages. If it is >not supposed to be like that then the scan numbers would logically be >numbered in sequence instead of skipping one each time. >Cheers >Steve Gaunt >Croscan >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Allan Raymond" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 3:47 PM >Subject: +PAGE's for double page scans > > > > To Co-ordinators > > > > I thought I would run this past you before I arrange for either "Hints and > > Help Guide" or "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" to be changed, comments or > > suggested improvements to the wording is appreciated? > > > > The query revolves around double page scans (i.e. two Index pages to a > > scan). I've just noticed that some volunteers are not inserting a +PAGE to > > separate the two pages within the transcription. > > > > If the decision is taken to go down "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" route, > > I'm proposng the following addional Q & A. > > > > Q. What is the process for transcribing a double page scan (i.e. two >index > > pages to a scan) > > > > A. You transcribe the scan as one file and name the file exactly as if >was > > a one page scan. > > > > For example, the double page scan 1874b4-520 would have a file name > > 1874B4W0520. > > > > You also need to add three +PAGEs, one at the start of the entries, one at > > the end of the entries and a further one in the middle of the entries to > > denote the end of the first index page and the start of the second. > > > > For example, the file for the double page scan 1874b4-520 would contain >the > > following +PAGEs > > > > +PAGE,0520 > > WAKEFIELD,Henry John,Coventry,6d,516 > > other entries on first page down to > > WALGROVE,John William,"Bradford, Y",9b,258 > > +PAGE,0521 > > WALKER,Charles,W. Bromwich,6b,849 > > other entries on second page down to > > WALKER,Martha Ann,Medway,2a,493 > > +PAGE,0522 > > > > Allan Raymond > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I th > > Sorry for the delay. > > > > > > You upload as one file with the appropriate +PAGE, to separate the >actual > > > two pages of the Index. > > > > > > Thus, if you were transcribing a double page scan such as >1871B4-342.tiff. > > > > > > File name would be similar to 1871B40342. > > > > > > The file +PAGE's would be: > > > > > > +PAGE,0342 > > > Owens,John etc > > > ... (other page 342 entries) > > > Page,Herbert Frank etc > > > +PAGE,0343 > > > Page,Horace Archibald etc > > > ... (other page 113 entries) > > > Palmer,Emma etc > > > +PAGE,0344 > > > > > > To add to the confusion the two page scan which I choose at random also > > has > > > Surnames "Page". > > > > > > How does my suggestion sound to you? > > > > > > To my recollection, we haven't given any advice on how to deal with two > > page > > > scans. I'll see of I can put some words together within the next day or >so > > > Co-ordinators can thrash out by best approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== > > Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the > > Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > >==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== >Want to help FreeBMD? >Go to http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/Signup.html to find out how. > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 Cheers Derek Derek C Hopkins, Phone +1(450)678-7768 6640, Biarritz, Fax +1(450)678-4252 Brossard, E-Mail [email protected] QC, Canada, J4Z-2A2. ==== FreeBMD - England and Wales - Birth - Marriage and Death Transcriptions <http://FreeBMD.rootsweb.com> ==== Check out FreeBMD Scan2 Syndicate page (revised daily) Please bookmark our new home http://www.scan2.org/scan2.html ==== Check out QFHS Marriage Transcription Project page (revised daily) (Quebec Family History Society) Please bookmark our new home http://www.scan2.org/qfhs.html Check out my web page (22jan1997) Last Revised 28 May 1998 <http://www.cam.org/~hopkde/index.html> Check out Abney Park Indexing Project (revised 14 MAR 2000, 195,000 names) <http://www.cam.org/~hopkde/abney.html> Check out my web Ramsgate page <http://members.adept.co.uk/hopkde> Check out the Quebec Family History web page <http://www.cam.org/~qfhs/index.html>

Hi Jennifer, Ian et al I think you should be trying the new http://images.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/choose.pl which is where the link behind the button on the home page goes to. When you get to the stage where you are selecting the page, there are 4 buttons, one for each downloadable format. Display as PDF file Display as GIF file Display as JPG file Display as TIFF file It worked just fine for me in all 4 formats when I tried it earlier in the week :o) HTH Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Romero" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 9:36 AM Subject: Re: Images > Hi Dave > > Now where did I hear that you can't please all of the people all the time? <g>. You seem to be having a darned good try. > > I have just selected Births March 1870 1870b1_044 from the new http://images.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/choose4.pl. > > I have tried twice, but each time got no choice other than to download a .TIF file. > > I am running Windows XP Professional with all patches up to date. > > Best Wishes > > Jennifer > > > ==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== > Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the > Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hello I've noticed lately that some Co-Ords may be having trouble getting emails to AOL members. I once did but not for a long time. The problem with AOL is they block most large webmail companies, like Hotmail & Yahoo. If you send from one of these it just doesn't arrive and with no 'Blocked' informative. It just goes Poof. Our syndicate has a Hotmail address but my solution is to use my local nz email address from my ISP, most I know offer 5 free email addresses, and I send any AOL emails thru this address. I have no problem getting thru this way to my AOL members, it's just takes a bit more effort to remember to change the From: address for some. If you don't have a local email address, try getting one from a 'small' webmail company. It's quite probable that it won't be on AOLs block list Try it Garry Kiwiz Syndicate Co-ordinator

There seems to be a problem with the tiff to jpg conversion.I decided to open a file I know to be stored as a tiff of about 206kb, as a jpg. I went in through the FreeBMD home page about 10.20 am UK time. It has come out as an mirror image, rotated left so the writing was upside down, size 2.83 MB . The gif version was about 950kb, again mirror image with the writing upside down. The pdf file was the same size as the tif original, and correctly oriented. The file in question was 1908M4-J-0185. In each case I used 'Open' rather than 'Save' . WinXP with up-to-date patches. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Mayall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 4:57 PM Subject: Images > The new version of the image display seemed to be generally well received, > although some people regretted moving to a proprietary file format like PDF. > > So, in the interests of trying to please everybody, we have another new > version of the interface. > > This one allows you to choose to have the image in any format you want, > regardless of the format of the original. > > Feel free to have a try, and let me know. > > http://images.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/choose4.pl > > -- > Dave Mayall > > ---------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net > > > ==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== > For those in -L mode, to unsubscribe from this mailing list please send the command UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message to - > [email protected] > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.717 / Virus Database: 473 - Release Date: 08/07/2004

Hi Gary This is my solution to the AOL mail problem because we lost contact with some AOL trannies. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robert.phillips40/AOLmail.htm There is an address on this page to write to AOL. I also informed AOL of this web page. cheers Bob Phillips ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kiwiz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 12:30 AM Subject: AOL email problem > > Hello > I've noticed lately that some Co-Ords may be having trouble getting emails to AOL members. > I once did but not for a long time. > The problem with AOL is they block most large webmail companies, like Hotmail & Yahoo. If you send from one of these it just doesn't arrive and with no 'Blocked' informative. It just goes Poof. > > Our syndicate has a Hotmail address but my solution is to use my local nz email address from my ISP, most I know offer 5 free email addresses, and I send any AOL emails thru this address. > I have no problem getting thru this way to my AOL members, it's just takes a bit more effort to remember to change the From: address for some. > > If you don't have a local email address, try getting one from a 'small' webmail company. It's quite probable that it won't be on AOLs block list > > Try it > > Garry > Kiwiz Syndicate Co-ordinator > > > ==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== > Want to help FreeBMD? > Go to http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/Signup.html to find out how. > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.717 / Virus Database: 473 - Release Date: 08/07/2004

Dear Dave There was no problem at 8:45 on 10 July, it works well. Thank you John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Mayall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 4:57 PM Subject: Images > The new version of the image display seemed to be generally well received, > although some people regretted moving to a proprietary file format like PDF. > > So, in the interests of trying to please everybody, we have another new > version of the interface. > > This one allows you to choose to have the image in any format you want, > regardless of the format of the original. > > Feel free to have a try, and let me know. > > http://images.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/choose4.pl > > -- > Dave Mayall > > ---------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net > > > ==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== > For those in -L mode, to unsubscribe from this mailing list please send the command UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message to - > [email protected] > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Dave Now where did I hear that you can't please all of the people all the time? <g>. You seem to be having a darned good try. I have just selected Births March 1870 1870b1_044 from the new http://images.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/choose4.pl. I have tried twice, but each time got no choice other than to download a .TIF file. I am running Windows XP Professional with all patches up to date. Best Wishes Jennifer

Hi Dave OK Where does it Ask for Forman I got Tif but never chose anything. At 11:57 AM 06/07/2004, Dave Mayall wrote: >The new version of the image display seemed to be generally well received, >although some people regretted moving to a proprietary file format like PDF. > >So, in the interests of trying to please everybody, we have another new >version of the interface. > >This one allows you to choose to have the image in any format you want, >regardless of the format of the original. > >Feel free to have a try, and let me know. > >http://images.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/choose4.pl > >-- >Dave Mayall > >---------------------------------------------- >This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net > > >==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== >For those in -L mode, to unsubscribe from this mailing list please send >the command UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message to - >[email protected] > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 Cheers Derek Derek C Hopkins, Phone +1(450)678-7768 6640, Biarritz, Fax +1(450)678-4252 Brossard, E-Mail [email protected] QC, Canada, J4Z-2A2. ==== FreeBMD - England and Wales - Birth - Marriage and Death Transcriptions <http://FreeBMD.rootsweb.com> ==== Check out FreeBMD Scan2 Syndicate page (revised daily) Please bookmark our new home http://www.scan2.org/scan2.html ==== Check out QFHS Marriage Transcription Project page (revised daily) (Quebec Family History Society) Please bookmark our new home http://www.scan2.org/qfhs.html Check out my web page (22jan1997) Last Revised 28 May 1998 <http://www.cam.org/~hopkde/index.html> Check out Abney Park Indexing Project (revised 14 MAR 2000, 195,000 names) <http://www.cam.org/~hopkde/abney.html> Check out my web Ramsgate page <http://members.adept.co.uk/hopkde> Check out the Quebec Family History web page <http://www.cam.org/~qfhs/index.html>

Dave, Something strange going on here! Has the new script just gone into production a little bit early? choose4.pl seems to be the (or a) original version of the script. It displays a "?" rather than A-Z and as Ian states does not give you any button to select a format. choose.pl (link from the Home page) however does display four large buttons (PDF, GIF, JPG, TIF) on the screen where you select the page number you are interested in. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Ian Brooke [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 10 July 2004 03:45 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Images Hmm, maybe me but I can't get this to work properly Dave. I entered the Page Number required (initially 1871 Births Q2 Page 52 but did try others), I got a status display (at bottom of IE window) of "Downloading from site ......", then "Done", then (over a minute later with nothing obvious happening in the meantime) the page appeared, I got no options re selecting a format? Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Mayall To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:57 AM Subject: Images The new version of the image display seemed to be generally well received, although some people regretted moving to a proprietary file format like PDF. So, in the interests of trying to please everybody, we have another new version of the interface. This one allows you to choose to have the image in any format you want, regardless of the format of the original. Feel free to have a try, and let me know. http://images.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/choose4.pl -- Dave Mayall ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net ==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== For those in -L mode, to unsubscribe from this mailing list please send the command UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message to - [email protected] ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== For those in -L mode, to unsubscribe from this mailing list please send the command UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message to - [email protected] ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:45:24 -0600, you wrote: >Hmm, maybe me but I can't get this to work properly Dave. I entered the Page Number required (initially 1871 Births Q2 Page 52 but did try others), I got a status display (at bottom of IE window) of "Downloading from site ......", then "Done", then (over a minute later with nothing obvious happening in the meantime) the page appeared, I got no options re selecting a format? For some unknown reason, me e-mail to the list on Tuesday went into a black hole, and only just arrived. In the meantime, The new interface went live! choose4.pl is now the old version for backup purposes. -- Dave Mayall

Hmm, maybe me but I can't get this to work properly Dave. I entered the Page Number required (initially 1871 Births Q2 Page 52 but did try others), I got a status display (at bottom of IE window) of "Downloading from site ......", then "Done", then (over a minute later with nothing obvious happening in the meantime) the page appeared, I got no options re selecting a format? Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Mayall To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:57 AM Subject: Images The new version of the image display seemed to be generally well received, although some people regretted moving to a proprietary file format like PDF. So, in the interests of trying to please everybody, we have another new version of the interface. This one allows you to choose to have the image in any format you want, regardless of the format of the original. Feel free to have a try, and let me know. http://images.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/choose4.pl -- Dave Mayall ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net ==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== For those in -L mode, to unsubscribe from this mailing list please send the command UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message to - [email protected] ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I have double page scans in my syndicate's allocation. I advise my transcribers in their start-up notes to do them as one file exactly as Alan's proposals. However interestingly several seem to prefer to split them into 2 files which I have accepted quite happily. Actually, checking and verifying 2 page files can get quite daunting especially if a transcriber doesn't follow the 'rules' and goes his own way. I ask them to send their first file to me after doing one or two columns as their training exercise. I do check most uploads that the middle +PAGE line is there, especially after I forgot it once ! Ted Southcombe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Lowe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 6:30 PM Subject: Re: +PAGE's for double page scans > Hi Alan > > If we were doing the double page scans we would ask them to transcribe > them as separate pages i.e. two files named as per the page and not a > single file including both pages. Your proposed wording suggests that > they MUST be done as a single file. > > It also suggests that that the file name has to be the WinBMD format. > That's OK for me but not for some syndicates as we know. > > I suggest the wording is changed to : > > 'A. If your syndicate co-ordinator tells you to transcribe each > page as a separate file then you simply do what you have been doing with > the single page scans and use the same scan for both pages. > > If your coordinator tells you to transcribe the scan as a single file > then you treat the scan as a single page with a single filename but > make sure that in addition to the +PAGE at the beginning and end of the > file you enter a +PAGE between the two pages. > > For example: > > +PAGE,520 > WAKEFIELD etc. as per your last paragraph.' > > Regards > Derek Lowe > > Allan Raymond wrote: > > >To Co-ordinators > > > >I thought I would run this past you before I arrange for either "Hints and > >Help Guide" or "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" to be changed, comments or > >suggested improvements to the wording is appreciated? > > > >The query revolves around double page scans (i.e. two Index pages to a > >scan). I've just noticed that some volunteers are not inserting a +PAGE to > >separate the two pages within the transcription. > > > >If the decision is taken to go down "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" route, > >I'm proposng the following addional Q & A. > > > >Q. What is the process for transcribing a double page scan (i.e. two index > >pages to a scan) > > > >A. You transcribe the scan as one file and name the file exactly as if was > >a one page scan. > > > >For example, the double page scan 1874b4-520 would have a file name > >1874B4W0520. > > > >You also need to add three +PAGEs, one at the start of the entries, one at > >the end of the entries and a further one in the middle of the entries to > >denote the end of the first index page and the start of the second. > > > >For example, the file for the double page scan 1874b4-520 would contain the > >following +PAGEs > > > >+PAGE,0520 > >WAKEFIELD,Henry John,Coventry,6d,516 > > other entries on first page down to > >WALGROVE,John William,"Bradford, Y",9b,258 > >+PAGE,0521 > >WALKER,Charles,W. Bromwich,6b,849 > > other entries on second page down to > >WALKER,Martha Ann,Medway,2a,493 > >+PAGE,0522 > > > >Allan Raymond > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I th > >Sorry for the delay. > > > > > >>You upload as one file with the appropriate +PAGE, to separate the actual > >>two pages of the Index. > >> > >>Thus, if you were transcribing a double page scan such as 1871B4-342.tiff. > >> > >>File name would be similar to 1871B40342. > >> > >>The file +PAGE's would be: > >> > >>+PAGE,0342 > >>Owens,John etc > >>... (other page 342 entries) > >>Page,Herbert Frank etc > >>+PAGE,0343 > >>Page,Horace Archibald etc > >>... (other page 113 entries) > >>Palmer,Emma etc > >>+PAGE,0344 > >> > >>To add to the confusion the two page scan which I choose at random also > >> > >> > >has > > > > > >>Surnames "Page". > >> > >>How does my suggestion sound to you? > >> > >>To my recollection, we haven't given any advice on how to deal with two > >> > >> > >page > > > > > >>scans. I'll see of I can put some words together within the next day or so > >>Co-ordinators can thrash out by best approach. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== > >Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the > >Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html > > > >============================== > >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > ==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== > Want to help FreeBMD? > Go to http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/Signup.html to find out how. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Well, as far as I know and from what seems logical, is that each page is a seperate file; double page scan 250 for example, would return two files, 250 and 251. That is what Croscan has been doing; why would it need to be one file just because it is one image? It is still two distinct pages. If it is not supposed to be like that then the scan numbers would logically be numbered in sequence instead of skipping one each time. Cheers Steve Gaunt Croscan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Raymond" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 3:47 PM Subject: +PAGE's for double page scans > To Co-ordinators > > I thought I would run this past you before I arrange for either "Hints and > Help Guide" or "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" to be changed, comments or > suggested improvements to the wording is appreciated? > > The query revolves around double page scans (i.e. two Index pages to a > scan). I've just noticed that some volunteers are not inserting a +PAGE to > separate the two pages within the transcription. > > If the decision is taken to go down "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" route, > I'm proposng the following addional Q & A. > > Q. What is the process for transcribing a double page scan (i.e. two index > pages to a scan) > > A. You transcribe the scan as one file and name the file exactly as if was > a one page scan. > > For example, the double page scan 1874b4-520 would have a file name > 1874B4W0520. > > You also need to add three +PAGEs, one at the start of the entries, one at > the end of the entries and a further one in the middle of the entries to > denote the end of the first index page and the start of the second. > > For example, the file for the double page scan 1874b4-520 would contain the > following +PAGEs > > +PAGE,0520 > WAKEFIELD,Henry John,Coventry,6d,516 > other entries on first page down to > WALGROVE,John William,"Bradford, Y",9b,258 > +PAGE,0521 > WALKER,Charles,W. Bromwich,6b,849 > other entries on second page down to > WALKER,Martha Ann,Medway,2a,493 > +PAGE,0522 > > Allan Raymond > > > > > > > > I th > Sorry for the delay. > > > > You upload as one file with the appropriate +PAGE, to separate the actual > > two pages of the Index. > > > > Thus, if you were transcribing a double page scan such as 1871B4-342.tiff. > > > > File name would be similar to 1871B40342. > > > > The file +PAGE's would be: > > > > +PAGE,0342 > > Owens,John etc > > ... (other page 342 entries) > > Page,Herbert Frank etc > > +PAGE,0343 > > Page,Horace Archibald etc > > ... (other page 113 entries) > > Palmer,Emma etc > > +PAGE,0344 > > > > To add to the confusion the two page scan which I choose at random also > has > > Surnames "Page". > > > > How does my suggestion sound to you? > > > > To my recollection, we haven't given any advice on how to deal with two > page > > scans. I'll see of I can put some words together within the next day or so > > Co-ordinators can thrash out by best approach. > > > > > > > ==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== > Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the > Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Alan If we were doing the double page scans we would ask them to transcribe them as separate pages i.e. two files named as per the page and not a single file including both pages. Your proposed wording suggests that they MUST be done as a single file. It also suggests that that the file name has to be the WinBMD format. That's OK for me but not for some syndicates as we know. I suggest the wording is changed to : 'A. If your syndicate co-ordinator tells you to transcribe each page as a separate file then you simply do what you have been doing with the single page scans and use the same scan for both pages. If your coordinator tells you to transcribe the scan as a single file then you treat the scan as a single page with a single filename but make sure that in addition to the +PAGE at the beginning and end of the file you enter a +PAGE between the two pages. For example: +PAGE,520 WAKEFIELD etc. as per your last paragraph.' Regards Derek Lowe Allan Raymond wrote: >To Co-ordinators > >I thought I would run this past you before I arrange for either "Hints and >Help Guide" or "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" to be changed, comments or >suggested improvements to the wording is appreciated? > >The query revolves around double page scans (i.e. two Index pages to a >scan). I've just noticed that some volunteers are not inserting a +PAGE to >separate the two pages within the transcription. > >If the decision is taken to go down "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" route, >I'm proposng the following addional Q & A. > >Q. What is the process for transcribing a double page scan (i.e. two index >pages to a scan) > >A. You transcribe the scan as one file and name the file exactly as if was >a one page scan. > >For example, the double page scan 1874b4-520 would have a file name >1874B4W0520. > >You also need to add three +PAGEs, one at the start of the entries, one at >the end of the entries and a further one in the middle of the entries to >denote the end of the first index page and the start of the second. > >For example, the file for the double page scan 1874b4-520 would contain the >following +PAGEs > >+PAGE,0520 >WAKEFIELD,Henry John,Coventry,6d,516 > other entries on first page down to >WALGROVE,John William,"Bradford, Y",9b,258 >+PAGE,0521 >WALKER,Charles,W. Bromwich,6b,849 > other entries on second page down to >WALKER,Martha Ann,Medway,2a,493 >+PAGE,0522 > >Allan Raymond > > > > > > > >I th >Sorry for the delay. > > >>You upload as one file with the appropriate +PAGE, to separate the actual >>two pages of the Index. >> >>Thus, if you were transcribing a double page scan such as 1871B4-342.tiff. >> >>File name would be similar to 1871B40342. >> >>The file +PAGE's would be: >> >>+PAGE,0342 >>Owens,John etc >>... (other page 342 entries) >>Page,Herbert Frank etc >>+PAGE,0343 >>Page,Horace Archibald etc >>... (other page 113 entries) >>Palmer,Emma etc >>+PAGE,0344 >> >>To add to the confusion the two page scan which I choose at random also >> >> >has > > >>Surnames "Page". >> >>How does my suggestion sound to you? >> >>To my recollection, we haven't given any advice on how to deal with two >> >> >page > > >>scans. I'll see of I can put some words together within the next day or so >>Co-ordinators can thrash out by best approach. >> >> >> > > > > >==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== >Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the >Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > >

Allan Are you referring to the typed/printed pages where there are two columns of data, such as in the 1839 Marriages, or are you referring to scans where both the left and the right hand side pages have been scanned as one entity? Clive Essery -----Original Message----- From: Allan Raymond [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 09 July 2004 14:47 To: [email protected] Subject: +PAGE's for double page scans To Co-ordinators I thought I would run this past you before I arrange for either "Hints and Help Guide" or "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" to be changed, comments or suggested improvements to the wording is appreciated? The query revolves around double page scans (i.e. two Index pages to a scan). I've just noticed that some volunteers are not inserting a +PAGE to separate the two pages within the transcription. If the decision is taken to go down "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" route, I'm proposng the following addional Q & A. Q. What is the process for transcribing a double page scan (i.e. two index pages to a scan) A. You transcribe the scan as one file and name the file exactly as if was a one page scan. For example, the double page scan 1874b4-520 would have a file name 1874B4W0520. You also need to add three +PAGEs, one at the start of the entries, one at the end of the entries and a further one in the middle of the entries to denote the end of the first index page and the start of the second. For example, the file for the double page scan 1874b4-520 would contain the following +PAGEs +PAGE,0520 WAKEFIELD,Henry John,Coventry,6d,516 other entries on first page down to WALGROVE,John William,"Bradford, Y",9b,258 +PAGE,0521 WALKER,Charles,W. Bromwich,6b,849 other entries on second page down to WALKER,Martha Ann,Medway,2a,493 +PAGE,0522 Allan Raymond I th Sorry for the delay. > > You upload as one file with the appropriate +PAGE, to separate the actual > two pages of the Index. > > Thus, if you were transcribing a double page scan such as 1871B4-342.tiff. > > File name would be similar to 1871B40342. > > The file +PAGE's would be: > > +PAGE,0342 > Owens,John etc > ... (other page 342 entries) > Page,Herbert Frank etc > +PAGE,0343 > Page,Horace Archibald etc > ... (other page 113 entries) > Palmer,Emma etc > +PAGE,0344 > > To add to the confusion the two page scan which I choose at random also has > Surnames "Page". > > How does my suggestion sound to you? > > To my recollection, we haven't given any advice on how to deal with two page > scans. I'll see of I can put some words together within the next day or so > Co-ordinators can thrash out by best approach. > ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify our Help Desk. Email [email protected] immediately. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. NATS computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. ********************************************************************************************************************************************

Hi Allan: When transcribing for my previous syndicate I used to include multiple scans in a single upload file. Each page was separated by the +PAGE flag, just as you describe. On occasion I would upload as many as a dozen scans in a single file, when the scans were handwritten with relatively few entries per page. My coordinator then had no complaints, nor did the file server. This was using the MacBMD software and not that terribly confusing PC stuff. The file naming convention was (and is, for the transcribers in my current syndicate) 1903B2F0150 for the "Fredericks" on the single page 150 of the June births of 1903 and 1903B2F0151_4 for multiple pages 151 to 154 inclusive. The "F" would remain even if the "G's" started somewhere in the set. I think this is very close to what you have indicated. If there are problems with it, please let me know. Peter Adams

Hi Allan Your example is fine BUT on some double page scans the two pages are not consecative. So in this case the instructions need to reflect the +PAGE,nnn in the middle where nnn is the Page number of the second scan and the +PAGE,nnn at the end, where nnn is the second page number plus one (even if the second page was the last page of the quarter.) At 09:47 AM 09/07/2004, Allan Raymond wrote: >To Co-ordinators > >I thought I would run this past you before I arrange for either "Hints and >Help Guide" or "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" to be changed, comments or >suggested improvements to the wording is appreciated? > >The query revolves around double page scans (i.e. two Index pages to a >scan). I've just noticed that some volunteers are not inserting a +PAGE to >separate the two pages within the transcription. > >If the decision is taken to go down "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" route, >I'm proposng the following addional Q & A. > >Q. What is the process for transcribing a double page scan (i.e. two index >pages to a scan) > >A. You transcribe the scan as one file and name the file exactly as if was >a one page scan. > >For example, the double page scan 1874b4-520 would have a file name >1874B4W0520. > >You also need to add three +PAGEs, one at the start of the entries, one at >the end of the entries and a further one in the middle of the entries to >denote the end of the first index page and the start of the second. > >For example, the file for the double page scan 1874b4-520 would contain the >following +PAGEs > >+PAGE,0520 >WAKEFIELD,Henry John,Coventry,6d,516 > other entries on first page down to >WALGROVE,John William,"Bradford, Y",9b,258 >+PAGE,0521 >WALKER,Charles,W. Bromwich,6b,849 > other entries on second page down to >WALKER,Martha Ann,Medway,2a,493 >+PAGE,0522 > >Allan Raymond > > > > > > > >I th >Sorry for the delay. > > > > You upload as one file with the appropriate +PAGE, to separate the actual > > two pages of the Index. > > > > Thus, if you were transcribing a double page scan such as 1871B4-342.tiff. > > > > File name would be similar to 1871B40342. > > > > The file +PAGE's would be: > > > > +PAGE,0342 > > Owens,John etc > > ... (other page 342 entries) > > Page,Herbert Frank etc > > +PAGE,0343 > > Page,Horace Archibald etc > > ... (other page 113 entries) > > Palmer,Emma etc > > +PAGE,0344 > > > > To add to the confusion the two page scan which I choose at random also >has > > Surnames "Page". > > > > How does my suggestion sound to you? > > > > To my recollection, we haven't given any advice on how to deal with two >page > > scans. I'll see of I can put some words together within the next day or so > > Co-ordinators can thrash out by best approach. > > > > > > >==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== >Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the >Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 Cheers Derek Derek C Hopkins, Phone +1(450)678-7768 6640, Biarritz, Fax +1(450)678-4252 Brossard, E-Mail [email protected] QC, Canada, J4Z-2A2. ==== FreeBMD - England and Wales - Birth - Marriage and Death Transcriptions <http://FreeBMD.rootsweb.com> ==== Check out FreeBMD Scan2 Syndicate page (revised daily) Please bookmark our new home http://www.scan2.org/scan2.html ==== Check out QFHS Marriage Transcription Project page (revised daily) (Quebec Family History Society) Please bookmark our new home http://www.scan2.org/qfhs.html Check out my web page (22jan1997) Last Revised 28 May 1998 <http://www.cam.org/~hopkde/index.html> Check out Abney Park Indexing Project (revised 14 MAR 2000, 195,000 names) <http://www.cam.org/~hopkde/abney.html> Check out my web Ramsgate page <http://members.adept.co.uk/hopkde> Check out the Quebec Family History web page <http://www.cam.org/~qfhs/index.html>

To Co-ordinators I thought I would run this past you before I arrange for either "Hints and Help Guide" or "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" to be changed, comments or suggested improvements to the wording is appreciated? The query revolves around double page scans (i.e. two Index pages to a scan). I've just noticed that some volunteers are not inserting a +PAGE to separate the two pages within the transcription. If the decision is taken to go down "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" route, I'm proposng the following addional Q & A. Q. What is the process for transcribing a double page scan (i.e. two index pages to a scan) A. You transcribe the scan as one file and name the file exactly as if was a one page scan. For example, the double page scan 1874b4-520 would have a file name 1874B4W0520. You also need to add three +PAGEs, one at the start of the entries, one at the end of the entries and a further one in the middle of the entries to denote the end of the first index page and the start of the second. For example, the file for the double page scan 1874b4-520 would contain the following +PAGEs +PAGE,0520 WAKEFIELD,Henry John,Coventry,6d,516 other entries on first page down to WALGROVE,John William,"Bradford, Y",9b,258 +PAGE,0521 WALKER,Charles,W. Bromwich,6b,849 other entries on second page down to WALKER,Martha Ann,Medway,2a,493 +PAGE,0522 Allan Raymond I th Sorry for the delay. > > You upload as one file with the appropriate +PAGE, to separate the actual > two pages of the Index. > > Thus, if you were transcribing a double page scan such as 1871B4-342.tiff. > > File name would be similar to 1871B40342. > > The file +PAGE's would be: > > +PAGE,0342 > Owens,John etc > ... (other page 342 entries) > Page,Herbert Frank etc > +PAGE,0343 > Page,Horace Archibald etc > ... (other page 113 entries) > Palmer,Emma etc > +PAGE,0344 > > To add to the confusion the two page scan which I choose at random also has > Surnames "Page". > > How does my suggestion sound to you? > > To my recollection, we haven't given any advice on how to deal with two page > scans. I'll see of I can put some words together within the next day or so > Co-ordinators can thrash out by best approach. >

Allan, I have a couple of problems with this wording. Firstly it assumes people are using WinBMD filenames - those using SpeedBMD or indeed WinBMD using Speed filename format might be confused with your example filenames. Secondly it assumes people are using page letters (the "W") - using the page letter is optional (even though I don't believe it should be!) in both WinBMD & SpeedBMD and again the example filename might confuse some people who have never seen it used. Thirdly (and this is slightly pedantic), users don't have to "add" three +PAGE lines as WinBMD enters the first one for them - they need to add the ones at the end of the first page and the end of file. I would suggest that you drop the examples/use of filenames completely, it doesn't really seem relevant - the important part is the inclusion of the +PAGEs. As long as the explanation states that the value entered in the page number field is that of the first page (520), and that at the end of the first page they add a +PAGE,n+1 (+PAGE,521) and at the very end +PAGE,n+2 (+PAGE,522) it should be Ok. Regards Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: Allan Raymond To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 7:47 AM Subject: +PAGE's for double page scans To Co-ordinators I thought I would run this past you before I arrange for either "Hints and Help Guide" or "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" to be changed, comments or suggested improvements to the wording is appreciated? The query revolves around double page scans (i.e. two Index pages to a scan). I've just noticed that some volunteers are not inserting a +PAGE to separate the two pages within the transcription. If the decision is taken to go down "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" route, I'm proposng the following addional Q & A. Q. What is the process for transcribing a double page scan (i.e. two index pages to a scan) A. You transcribe the scan as one file and name the file exactly as if was a one page scan. For example, the double page scan 1874b4-520 would have a file name 1874B4W0520. You also need to add three +PAGEs, one at the start of the entries, one at the end of the entries and a further one in the middle of the entries to denote the end of the first index page and the start of the second. For example, the file for the double page scan 1874b4-520 would contain the following +PAGEs +PAGE,0520 WAKEFIELD,Henry John,Coventry,6d,516 other entries on first page down to WALGROVE,John William,"Bradford, Y",9b,258 +PAGE,0521 WALKER,Charles,W. Bromwich,6b,849 other entries on second page down to WALKER,Martha Ann,Medway,2a,493 +PAGE,0522 Allan Raymond I th Sorry for the delay. > > You upload as one file with the appropriate +PAGE, to separate the actual > two pages of the Index. > > Thus, if you were transcribing a double page scan such as 1871B4-342.tiff. > > File name would be similar to 1871B40342. > > The file +PAGE's would be: > > +PAGE,0342 > Owens,John etc > ... (other page 342 entries) > Page,Herbert Frank etc > +PAGE,0343 > Page,Horace Archibald etc > ... (other page 113 entries) > Palmer,Emma etc > +PAGE,0344 > > To add to the confusion the two page scan which I choose at random also has > Surnames "Page". > > How does my suggestion sound to you? > > To my recollection, we haven't given any advice on how to deal with two page > scans. I'll see of I can put some words together within the next day or so > Co-ordinators can thrash out by best approach. > ==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

The new version of the image display seemed to be generally well received, although some people regretted moving to a proprietary file format like PDF. So, in the interests of trying to please everybody, we have another new version of the interface. This one allows you to choose to have the image in any format you want, regardless of the format of the original. Feel free to have a try, and let me know. http://images.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/choose4.pl -- Dave Mayall ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net