Hi folks, sorry about this but can anyone who has downloaded the new checking program do so again as there was a glitch (now fixed) that prevented the program recognising files with extensions in lower case. Sorry once again, Steve Gaunt Croscan

Keith I'm not speaking on behalf of FreeBMD but it looks as if Scottish Records are already on line on a pay per view basis. Our FAQ at: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/FAQ.html#2 gives some extra information which provides a link to the official online source of parish register, civil registration and census records for Scotland at: http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ Allan Raymond -----Original Message----- From: Keith Simpson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 13 July 2004 16:21 Subject: Scottish Ancestors >Have been asked a question regarding Scottish Ancestry. >Are there any plans in the future for transcribing Scottish Records? >Keith > > >==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== >For those in -L mode, to unsubscribe from this mailing list please send the command UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message to - >[email protected] > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Clive The latter, where there are actually two pages to a scan. Allan Raymond -----Original Message----- From: ESSERY Clive <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 13 July 2004 10:12 Subject: RE: +PAGE's for double page scans >Allan > >Are you referring to the typed/printed pages where there are two columns of >data, such as in the 1839 Marriages, or are you referring to scans where >both the left and the right hand side pages have been scanned as one entity? > >Clive Essery > >-----Original Message----- >From: Allan Raymond [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: 09 July 2004 14:47 >To: [email protected] >Subject: +PAGE's for double page scans > > >To Co-ordinators >I thought I would run this past you before I arrange for either "Hints and >Help Guide" or "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" to be changed, comments or >suggested improvements to the wording is appreciated? >The query revolves around double page scans (i.e. two Index pages to a >scan). I've just noticed that some volunteers are not inserting a +PAGE to >separate the two pages within the transcription. >If the decision is taken to go down "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" route, >I'm proposng the following addional Q & A. >Q. What is the process for transcribing a double page scan (i.e. two index >pages to a scan) >A. You transcribe the scan as one file and name the file exactly as if was >a one page scan. >For example, the double page scan 1874b4-520 would have a file name >1874B4W0520. >You also need to add three +PAGEs, one at the start of the entries, one at >the end of the entries and a further one in the middle of the entries to >denote the end of the first index page and the start of the second. >For example, the file for the double page scan 1874b4-520 would contain the >following +PAGEs >+PAGE,0520 >WAKEFIELD,Henry John,Coventry,6d,516 > other entries on first page down to >WALGROVE,John William,"Bradford, Y",9b,258 >+PAGE,0521 >WALKER,Charles,W. Bromwich,6b,849 > other entries on second page down to >WALKER,Martha Ann,Medway,2a,493 >+PAGE,0522 >Allan Raymond >I th >Sorry for the delay. >> >> You upload as one file with the appropriate +PAGE, to separate the actual >> two pages of the Index. >> >> Thus, if you were transcribing a double page scan such as 1871B4-342.tiff. >> >> File name would be similar to 1871B40342. >> >> The file +PAGE's would be: >> >> +PAGE,0342 >> Owens,John etc >> ... (other page 342 entries) >> Page,Herbert Frank etc >> +PAGE,0343 >> Page,Horace Archibald etc >> ... (other page 113 entries) >> Palmer,Emma etc >> +PAGE,0344 >> >> To add to the confusion the two page scan which I choose at random also >has >> Surnames "Page". >> >> How does my suggestion sound to you? >> >> To my recollection, we haven't given any advice on how to deal with two >page >> scans. I'll see of I can put some words together within the next day or so >> Co-ordinators can thrash out by best approach. >> > > >********************************************************************** >This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you >are not the intended recipient, please notify our Help Desk. Email >[email protected] immediately. >You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose >nor disclose their contents to any other person. > >NATS computer systems may be monitored and communications >carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the >system and for other lawful purposes. >*************************************************************************** ***************************************************************** > > >==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== >Thank you Rootsweb for hosting the FreeBMD project and its mailing lists. See http://www.rootsweb.com/ > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Have been asked a question regarding Scottish Ancestry. Are there any plans in the future for transcribing Scottish Records? Keith

Long files should not be rejected if they conform to the proper format. Please identify any that are so we can take the appropriate action. Barrie > -----Original Message----- > From: JOHN PINGRAM [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 13 July 2004 09:07 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: +PAGE's for double page scans > > > Alan, > Why are we making this so difficult? This syndicate has all > double page scans transcribed as two single pages, almost a > complete quarter, following the practice in the John Slann > syndicate. It means all pages can be checked as having been > completed, and if a transcriber only does one, it happens, we > are immediately aware of it. Does this mean that we will all > have to conform to these unwieldy files. Long files seem > currently to be rejected. Kind regards, John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allan Raymond" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 2:47 PM > Subject: +PAGE's for double page scans > > > > To Co-ordinators > > > > I thought I would run this past you before I arrange for > either "Hints > > and Help Guide" or "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" to be changed, > > comments or suggested improvements to the wording is appreciated? > > > > The query revolves around double page scans (i.e. two Index > pages to a > > scan). I've just noticed that some volunteers are not inserting a > > +PAGE to separate the two pages within the transcription. > > > > If the decision is taken to go down "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" > > route, I'm proposng the following addional Q & A. > > > > Q. What is the process for transcribing a double page > scan (i.e. two > index > > pages to a scan) > > > > A. You transcribe the scan as one file and name the file > exactly as if > was > > a one page scan. > > > > For example, the double page scan 1874b4-520 would have a file name > > 1874B4W0520. > > > > You also need to add three +PAGEs, one at the start of the entries, > > one at the end of the entries and a further one in the > middle of the > > entries to denote the end of the first index page and the > start of the > > second. > > > > For example, the file for the double page scan 1874b4-520 would > > contain > the > > following +PAGEs > > > > +PAGE,0520 > > WAKEFIELD,Henry John,Coventry,6d,516 > > other entries on first page down to > > WALGROVE,John William,"Bradford, Y",9b,258 > > +PAGE,0521 > > WALKER,Charles,W. Bromwich,6b,849 > > other entries on second page down to > > WALKER,Martha Ann,Medway,2a,493 > > +PAGE,0522 > > > > Allan Raymond > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I th > > Sorry for the delay. > > > > > > You upload as one file with the appropriate +PAGE, to separate the > actual > > > two pages of the Index. > > > > > > Thus, if you were transcribing a double page scan such as > 1871B4-342.tiff. > > > > > > File name would be similar to 1871B40342. > > > > > > The file +PAGE's would be: > > > > > > +PAGE,0342 > > > Owens,John etc > > > ... (other page 342 entries) > > > Page,Herbert Frank etc > > > +PAGE,0343 > > > Page,Horace Archibald etc > > > ... (other page 113 entries) > > > Palmer,Emma etc > > > +PAGE,0344 > > > > > > To add to the confusion the two page scan which I choose > at random > > > also > > has > > > Surnames "Page". > > > > > > How does my suggestion sound to you? > > > > > > To my recollection, we haven't given any advice on how to > deal with > > > two > > page > > > scans. I'll see of I can put some words together within > the next day > > > or > so > > > Co-ordinators can thrash out by best approach. > > > > > > > > ==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== > For those in -L mode, to unsubscribe from this mailing list > please send the command UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the > message to - [email protected] > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new > Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. > Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=> 4930&sourceid=1237 >

Alan, Why are we making this so difficult? This syndicate has all double page scans transcribed as two single pages, almost a complete quarter, following the practice in the John Slann syndicate. It means all pages can be checked as having been completed, and if a transcriber only does one, it happens, we are immediately aware of it. Does this mean that we will all have to conform to these unwieldy files. Long files seem currently to be rejected. Kind regards, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Raymond" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 2:47 PM Subject: +PAGE's for double page scans > To Co-ordinators > > I thought I would run this past you before I arrange for either "Hints and > Help Guide" or "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" to be changed, comments or > suggested improvements to the wording is appreciated? > > The query revolves around double page scans (i.e. two Index pages to a > scan). I've just noticed that some volunteers are not inserting a +PAGE to > separate the two pages within the transcription. > > If the decision is taken to go down "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" route, > I'm proposng the following addional Q & A. > > Q. What is the process for transcribing a double page scan (i.e. two index > pages to a scan) > > A. You transcribe the scan as one file and name the file exactly as if was > a one page scan. > > For example, the double page scan 1874b4-520 would have a file name > 1874B4W0520. > > You also need to add three +PAGEs, one at the start of the entries, one at > the end of the entries and a further one in the middle of the entries to > denote the end of the first index page and the start of the second. > > For example, the file for the double page scan 1874b4-520 would contain the > following +PAGEs > > +PAGE,0520 > WAKEFIELD,Henry John,Coventry,6d,516 > other entries on first page down to > WALGROVE,John William,"Bradford, Y",9b,258 > +PAGE,0521 > WALKER,Charles,W. Bromwich,6b,849 > other entries on second page down to > WALKER,Martha Ann,Medway,2a,493 > +PAGE,0522 > > Allan Raymond > > > > > > > > I th > Sorry for the delay. > > > > You upload as one file with the appropriate +PAGE, to separate the actual > > two pages of the Index. > > > > Thus, if you were transcribing a double page scan such as 1871B4-342.tiff. > > > > File name would be similar to 1871B40342. > > > > The file +PAGE's would be: > > > > +PAGE,0342 > > Owens,John etc > > ... (other page 342 entries) > > Page,Herbert Frank etc > > +PAGE,0343 > > Page,Horace Archibald etc > > ... (other page 113 entries) > > Palmer,Emma etc > > +PAGE,0344 > > > > To add to the confusion the two page scan which I choose at random also > has > > Surnames "Page". > > > > How does my suggestion sound to you? > > > > To my recollection, we haven't given any advice on how to deal with two > page > > scans. I'll see of I can put some words together within the next day or so > > Co-ordinators can thrash out by best approach. > > >

Dear coordinators, following new developments of the Croscan checking program by Jeremy Hakes, we now have a new version to offer those syndicates who develop page ranges for the assistance of their transcribers. The new version works with all events. The main checks made are that the page number is within the prescribed range and that the district matches the volume. Download from http://www.calverley.info/croscan/croscan2.htm Steve Gaunt Croscan

Steve Dave has just beat me to responding in a like fashion. I did however respond a short while ago to Derek Lowe's email (which was along a similar line to yours) without first seeing Dave's comments. My response to Derek was not too far removed from Dave's comments below. Neither of my earlier emails devalued the superb work done by all our Co-ordinators and should not be construed to the contrary. Perhaps a reread of my two earlier emails on this topic of "+PAGE's for double page scans" will reinforce my point. As an aside, in your original email you did mention "Perhaps, following the current trend towards automation at FreeBMD, we could just get rid of the human element entirely". As far as I am concerned this couldn't be further from the truth, as I spend many hours a day in dialogue with volunteers or co-ordinators regarding incorrect files on the system. The vast majority of these error files I find by running Upload Reports to which all Co-ordinators have access to. Regards Allan Raymond -----Original Message----- From: Dave Mayall <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 12 July 2004 16:16 Subject: Re: +PAGE's for double page scans >Quoting Steve Gaunt <[email protected]>: > >> >It's not good enough for it to be left up in the air by asking volunteers >> to >> ask their Co-ordinator. >> Really! I have found that after new transcribers give a cursory glance at >> instructions on FreeBMD, they turn to their coordinators for instruction on >> practically everything, even including configuring their computers and more >> personal, human subjects. How arrogant of me to think that I could advise my >> transcribers! > >Good lord, is it really the time of year for a mountain to be made out of a >molehill already. > >I didn't see anything in what Allan wrote that suggested that there was >anything wrong whatsoever with transcribers talking to their co-ord to ask for >help and co-ords giving such advice. Indeed, I know that Allan and I both >refer loads of requests for advice that come through to us to the relevant co- >ordinator. > >What Allan did say, and I agree with him on this, is that it isn't good enough >for the help and advice pages on the site to fail to give help and advice. >Firstly because some people prefer to look things up themselves, and secondly >because some co-ordinators may not be sure of all the answers themselves. > >It is right that the FreeBMD help pages give advice on the subject of double >page scans, and it is right that the advice given should take account of the >fact that the instructions for such scans varies according to your syndicate. > > >-- >Dave Mayall > >---------------------------------------------- >This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net > > >==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== >Thank you Rootsweb for hosting the FreeBMD project and its mailing lists. See http://www.rootsweb.com/ > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

What is the correct way to tackle Scottish surnames, please (in WinBMD). In the scan they are in the format of eg. McADAMS (in fact the ' c ' is superscript but TKB 6(o) deals with that). Does the ' c ' also have to be in lower case and how to do it ? I've found that by highlighting the ' c ' and selecting Edit > Lowercase the individual letter can be changed from uppercase to lowercase - is that the best way ? Cheers, Ted Southcombe

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:53:00 +0100, you wrote: >Why is it not 'good enough' to ask their coordinators? Are co-ordinators >not to be trusted to co-ordinate? Yes. However, trusting co-ordinators doesn't mean that we have to make life difficult for all and sundry by making information difficult to obtain. -- Dave Mayall

If you think my remarks were to mean that co-ordinators are not to be trusted to co-ordinate then you comments are doing me a great disservice. Please reread my two emails: The first mentioned to co-ordinators "I thought I would run this past you before I arrange for either "Hints and Help Guide" or "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" to be changed, comments or suggested improvements to the wording is appreciated?" My last was to say I'll wait until the debate finishes between co-ordinators before I devise suitable words to cover the both situations (i.e. two pages to a file or one page to a file) This in no way infers that transcribers should not go to their co-ordinators as the first port of call for queries. What isn't good enough is for co-ordinators to do their own thing without thought to the Project as an whole. In this context and the reason why I sent out my first email is that at least 2 co-ordinators have asked me of recent how to transcribe a two page scan, should it be one or two pages to a file plus I have picked up that some volunteers have not been inserting the intermediate correct +PAGE between the two pages of a double page transcribed file. This isn't something I plucked out of thin air, it was a genuine attempt to make sure that all co-ordinators spoke from the same hymn sheet regardless of whether they wish they volunteers to do two pages to a file. Now that I know co-ordinators are advising their volunteers to do either one or two pages to a scan I can prepare advise to cover both scenario as per my least email. Allan Raymond -----Original Message----- From: Derek Lowe <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 12 July 2004 11:50 Subject: Re: +PAGE's for double page scans >Why is it not 'good enough' to ask their coordinators? Are co-ordinators >not to be trusted to co-ordinate? > >Derek Lowe > >Allan Raymond wrote: > >>I'll wait until the debate finishes between Co-ordinators on the use of one >>or two files per double page scan and reword my original suggestion to cover >>both scenario. >> >>My man concern was to get volunteers to include the correct +PAGE where the >>two pages are in the one file. >> >>It's not good enough for it to be left up in the air by asking volunteers to >>ask their Co-ordinator. >> >>Suitable words can be devised to cover both situations. >> >>Allan Raymond >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Steve Gaunt <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>Date: 11 July 2004 07:35 >>Subject: Re: +PAGE's for double page scans >> >> >> >> >>>If syndicates deal with the transcription of double page scans in different >>>ways as now seems to be the case, the main difference being a one file or a >>>two file transcription, then the only thing that can be put in the "Hints >>>and >>>Help Guide" or "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" is the following: >>>Q. What is the process for transcribing a double page scan (i.e. two >>> >>> >>index >> >> >>>pages to a scan) >>>A. Ask your syndicate coordinator. >>> >>>Steve Gaunt >>>Croscan >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Allan Raymond" <[email protected]> >>>To: <[email protected]> >>>Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 3:47 PM >>>Subject: +PAGE's for double page scans >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > >==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== >Want to help FreeBMD? >Go to http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/Signup.html to find out how. > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Allan That would be terrific - that's one of the problems I'm having since going over to 2 page scans Hooroo Teri

>It's not good enough for it to be left up in the air by asking volunteers to ask their Co-ordinator. Really! I have found that after new transcribers give a cursory glance at instructions on FreeBMD, they turn to their coordinators for instruction on practically everything, even including configuring their computers and more personal, human subjects. How arrogant of me to think that I could advise my transcribers! Perhaps, following the current trend towards automation at FreeBMD, we could just get rid of the human element entirely and have a program automatically assign scans and let the transcribers get along as best they can with the "Transcribers Database"? Steve Gaunt Croscan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Raymond" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:13 PM Subject: Re: +PAGE's for double page scans > I'll wait until the debate finishes between Co-ordinators on the use of one > or two files per double page scan and reword my original suggestion to cover > both scenario. > > My man concern was to get volunteers to include the correct +PAGE where the > two pages are in the one file. > > It's not good enough for it to be left up in the air by asking volunteers to > ask their Co-ordinator. > > Suitable words can be devised to cover both situations. > > Allan Raymond > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Gaunt <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: 11 July 2004 07:35 > Subject: Re: +PAGE's for double page scans > > > >If syndicates deal with the transcription of double page scans in different > >ways as now seems to be the case, the main difference being a one file or a > >two file transcription, then the only thing that can be put in the "Hints > >and > > Help Guide" or "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" is the following: > >Q. What is the process for transcribing a double page scan (i.e. two > index > >pages to a scan) > >A. Ask your syndicate coordinator. > > > >Steve Gaunt > >Croscan > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Allan Raymond" <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 3:47 PM > >Subject: +PAGE's for double page scans > > > > > >> To Co-ordinators > >> > >> I thought I would run this past you before I arrange for either "Hints > and > >> Help Guide" or "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" to be changed, comments or > >> suggested improvements to the wording is appreciated? > >> > >> The query revolves around double page scans (i.e. two Index pages to a > >> scan). I've just noticed that some volunteers are not inserting a +PAGE > to > >> separate the two pages within the transcription. > >> > >> If the decision is taken to go down "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" route, > >> I'm proposng the following addional Q & A. > >> > >> Q. What is the process for transcribing a double page scan (i.e. two > >index > >> pages to a scan) > >> > >> A. You transcribe the scan as one file and name the file exactly as if > >was > >> a one page scan. > >> > >> For example, the double page scan 1874b4-520 would have a file name > >> 1874B4W0520. > >> > >> You also need to add three +PAGEs, one at the start of the entries, one > at > >> the end of the entries and a further one in the middle of the entries to > >> denote the end of the first index page and the start of the second. > >> > >> For example, the file for the double page scan 1874b4-520 would contain > >the > >> following +PAGEs > >> > >> +PAGE,0520 > >> WAKEFIELD,Henry John,Coventry,6d,516 > >> other entries on first page down to > >> WALGROVE,John William,"Bradford, Y",9b,258 > >> +PAGE,0521 > >> WALKER,Charles,W. Bromwich,6b,849 > >> other entries on second page down to > >> WALKER,Martha Ann,Medway,2a,493 > >> +PAGE,0522 > >> > >> Allan Raymond > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I th > >> Sorry for the delay. > >> > > >> > You upload as one file with the appropriate +PAGE, to separate the > >actual > >> > two pages of the Index. > >> > > >> > Thus, if you were transcribing a double page scan such as > >1871B4-342.tiff. > >> > > >> > File name would be similar to 1871B40342. > >> > > >> > The file +PAGE's would be: > >> > > >> > +PAGE,0342 > >> > Owens,John etc > >> > ... (other page 342 entries) > >> > Page,Herbert Frank etc > >> > +PAGE,0343 > >> > Page,Horace Archibald etc > >> > ... (other page 113 entries) > >> > Palmer,Emma etc > >> > +PAGE,0344 > >> > > >> > To add to the confusion the two page scan which I choose at random also > >> has > >> > Surnames "Page". > >> > > >> > How does my suggestion sound to you? > >> > > >> > To my recollection, we haven't given any advice on how to deal with two > >> page > >> > scans. I'll see of I can put some words together within the next day or > >so > >> > Co-ordinators can thrash out by best approach. > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== > >> Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the > >> Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html > >> > >> ============================== > >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >> > > > > > >==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== > >For those in -L mode, to unsubscribe from this mailing list please send the > command UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message to - > >[email protected] > > > >============================== > >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== > Want to help FreeBMD? > Go to http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/Signup.html to find out how. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Quoting Steve Gaunt <[email protected]>: > >It's not good enough for it to be left up in the air by asking volunteers > to > ask their Co-ordinator. > Really! I have found that after new transcribers give a cursory glance at > instructions on FreeBMD, they turn to their coordinators for instruction on > practically everything, even including configuring their computers and more > personal, human subjects. How arrogant of me to think that I could advise my > transcribers! Good lord, is it really the time of year for a mountain to be made out of a molehill already. I didn't see anything in what Allan wrote that suggested that there was anything wrong whatsoever with transcribers talking to their co-ord to ask for help and co-ords giving such advice. Indeed, I know that Allan and I both refer loads of requests for advice that come through to us to the relevant co- ordinator. What Allan did say, and I agree with him on this, is that it isn't good enough for the help and advice pages on the site to fail to give help and advice. Firstly because some people prefer to look things up themselves, and secondly because some co-ordinators may not be sure of all the answers themselves. It is right that the FreeBMD help pages give advice on the subject of double page scans, and it is right that the advice given should take account of the fact that the instructions for such scans varies according to your syndicate. -- Dave Mayall ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net

Why is it not 'good enough' to ask their coordinators? Are co-ordinators not to be trusted to co-ordinate? Derek Lowe Allan Raymond wrote: >I'll wait until the debate finishes between Co-ordinators on the use of one >or two files per double page scan and reword my original suggestion to cover >both scenario. > >My man concern was to get volunteers to include the correct +PAGE where the >two pages are in the one file. > >It's not good enough for it to be left up in the air by asking volunteers to >ask their Co-ordinator. > >Suitable words can be devised to cover both situations. > >Allan Raymond > >-----Original Message----- >From: Steve Gaunt <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >Date: 11 July 2004 07:35 >Subject: Re: +PAGE's for double page scans > > > > >>If syndicates deal with the transcription of double page scans in different >>ways as now seems to be the case, the main difference being a one file or a >>two file transcription, then the only thing that can be put in the "Hints >>and >>Help Guide" or "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" is the following: >>Q. What is the process for transcribing a double page scan (i.e. two >> >> >index > > >>pages to a scan) >>A. Ask your syndicate coordinator. >> >>Steve Gaunt >>Croscan >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Allan Raymond" <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 3:47 PM >>Subject: +PAGE's for double page scans >> >> > > > >

Peter If the volunteer has not uploaded any files for your Syndicate and doesn't reply to emails you can safely remove him/her from your Syndicate list. This will have no bearing on any other Syndicate to which the volunteer belongs. If you wish to email me off list with the volunteer's details I may be able to work out if he/she is transcribing for another Syndicate? Allan Raymond -----Original Message----- From: Peter Adams <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 27 June 2004 15:58 Subject: Re: Deletion Of Volunteers >Hi Allan: >My issue is a little different I think. >I have a volunteer who signed up but has not transcribed anything >for my syndicate; nor replies to emails. She is apparently transcribing >for another syndicate, although I cannot find which one so I can write >to its coordinator. I would like to remove this person from my list only. >Is there a procedure you would like me to follow to do this? > >Peter Adams >The MacPack > >On Sat, 26 Jun 2004, Allan Raymond wrote: > >> Keith >> >> I assume this means you are reasonably happy for me to retain the 12 month >> period before deletion? >> >> If the volunteer has not uploaded any records to FreeBMD and no longer >> wishes to participate in transcribing then an email to the Vol-Co-ord by >> the volunteer or Co-ordinator advising of this fact will facilitate their >> removal from the volunteers database. >> >> Allan Raymond

To Syndicate Co-ordinators One of my functions is to keep the Syndicate Allocation Web Pages at: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/bmd-synd.pl up to date as I allocate slots to Syndicates. This directly affects the "Statistics for Syndicate" information for Syndicates. As a possible aid to Co-ordinators I've produced a Web Page which gives ready access to the "Statistics for Syndicate" Web Page for each Syndicate and can be found at: http://www.btinternet.com/~allan_raymond/Stats_for_Syndicates.htm The "Statistics for Syndicate" produced for each Syndicate provides details of the Co-ordinator(s), volunteers and the Syndicate Allocations (shown under Range Statistics). A typical example of the Range Statistics is below. Range Statistics The counts and range definitions reported below correspond to the data as at 2004-06-30 18:51:00 when the database was updated Type Quarter Year Sub-range Uploaded by Synd Total uploaded Marriages Sep 1907 All 159810 160597 etc TOTAL 409136 413798 I've taken on board comments which were raised the last time I sent out this information and arranged for the last two columns of the Range Statistics to be changed to more meaningful descriptions. *** Also please take into account the information relates to the situation pre the last database update. *** If anybody requires further clarity please let me know? Allan Raymond

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:35:41 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Dave > > OK Where does it Ask for Forman I got Tif but never chose >anything. Due to a problem on the rootsweb list server, the new version went live (and the old version became choose4.pl) before my message arrived. -- Dave Mayall

I'll wait until the debate finishes between Co-ordinators on the use of one or two files per double page scan and reword my original suggestion to cover both scenario. My man concern was to get volunteers to include the correct +PAGE where the two pages are in the one file. It's not good enough for it to be left up in the air by asking volunteers to ask their Co-ordinator. Suitable words can be devised to cover both situations. Allan Raymond -----Original Message----- From: Steve Gaunt <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 11 July 2004 07:35 Subject: Re: +PAGE's for double page scans >If syndicates deal with the transcription of double page scans in different >ways as now seems to be the case, the main difference being a one file or a >two file transcription, then the only thing that can be put in the "Hints >and > Help Guide" or "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" is the following: >Q. What is the process for transcribing a double page scan (i.e. two index >pages to a scan) >A. Ask your syndicate coordinator. > >Steve Gaunt >Croscan >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Allan Raymond" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 3:47 PM >Subject: +PAGE's for double page scans > > >> To Co-ordinators >> >> I thought I would run this past you before I arrange for either "Hints and >> Help Guide" or "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" to be changed, comments or >> suggested improvements to the wording is appreciated? >> >> The query revolves around double page scans (i.e. two Index pages to a >> scan). I've just noticed that some volunteers are not inserting a +PAGE to >> separate the two pages within the transcription. >> >> If the decision is taken to go down "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" route, >> I'm proposng the following addional Q & A. >> >> Q. What is the process for transcribing a double page scan (i.e. two >index >> pages to a scan) >> >> A. You transcribe the scan as one file and name the file exactly as if >was >> a one page scan. >> >> For example, the double page scan 1874b4-520 would have a file name >> 1874B4W0520. >> >> You also need to add three +PAGEs, one at the start of the entries, one at >> the end of the entries and a further one in the middle of the entries to >> denote the end of the first index page and the start of the second. >> >> For example, the file for the double page scan 1874b4-520 would contain >the >> following +PAGEs >> >> +PAGE,0520 >> WAKEFIELD,Henry John,Coventry,6d,516 >> other entries on first page down to >> WALGROVE,John William,"Bradford, Y",9b,258 >> +PAGE,0521 >> WALKER,Charles,W. Bromwich,6b,849 >> other entries on second page down to >> WALKER,Martha Ann,Medway,2a,493 >> +PAGE,0522 >> >> Allan Raymond >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I th >> Sorry for the delay. >> > >> > You upload as one file with the appropriate +PAGE, to separate the >actual >> > two pages of the Index. >> > >> > Thus, if you were transcribing a double page scan such as >1871B4-342.tiff. >> > >> > File name would be similar to 1871B40342. >> > >> > The file +PAGE's would be: >> > >> > +PAGE,0342 >> > Owens,John etc >> > ... (other page 342 entries) >> > Page,Herbert Frank etc >> > +PAGE,0343 >> > Page,Horace Archibald etc >> > ... (other page 113 entries) >> > Palmer,Emma etc >> > +PAGE,0344 >> > >> > To add to the confusion the two page scan which I choose at random also >> has >> > Surnames "Page". >> > >> > How does my suggestion sound to you? >> > >> > To my recollection, we haven't given any advice on how to deal with two >> page >> > scans. I'll see of I can put some words together within the next day or >so >> > Co-ordinators can thrash out by best approach. >> > >> >> >> >> >> ==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== >> Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the >> Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html >> >> ============================== >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> > > >==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== >For those in -L mode, to unsubscribe from this mailing list please send the command UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message to - >[email protected] > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

If syndicates deal with the transcription of double page scans in different ways as now seems to be the case, the main difference being a one file or a two file transcription, then the only thing that can be put in the "Hints and Help Guide" or "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" is the following: Q. What is the process for transcribing a double page scan (i.e. two index pages to a scan) A. Ask your syndicate coordinator. Steve Gaunt Croscan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Raymond" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 3:47 PM Subject: +PAGE's for double page scans > To Co-ordinators > > I thought I would run this past you before I arrange for either "Hints and > Help Guide" or "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" to be changed, comments or > suggested improvements to the wording is appreciated? > > The query revolves around double page scans (i.e. two Index pages to a > scan). I've just noticed that some volunteers are not inserting a +PAGE to > separate the two pages within the transcription. > > If the decision is taken to go down "Transcriber's Knowledge Base" route, > I'm proposng the following addional Q & A. > > Q. What is the process for transcribing a double page scan (i.e. two index > pages to a scan) > > A. You transcribe the scan as one file and name the file exactly as if was > a one page scan. > > For example, the double page scan 1874b4-520 would have a file name > 1874B4W0520. > > You also need to add three +PAGEs, one at the start of the entries, one at > the end of the entries and a further one in the middle of the entries to > denote the end of the first index page and the start of the second. > > For example, the file for the double page scan 1874b4-520 would contain the > following +PAGEs > > +PAGE,0520 > WAKEFIELD,Henry John,Coventry,6d,516 > other entries on first page down to > WALGROVE,John William,"Bradford, Y",9b,258 > +PAGE,0521 > WALKER,Charles,W. Bromwich,6b,849 > other entries on second page down to > WALKER,Martha Ann,Medway,2a,493 > +PAGE,0522 > > Allan Raymond > > > > > > > > I th > Sorry for the delay. > > > > You upload as one file with the appropriate +PAGE, to separate the actual > > two pages of the Index. > > > > Thus, if you were transcribing a double page scan such as 1871B4-342.tiff. > > > > File name would be similar to 1871B40342. > > > > The file +PAGE's would be: > > > > +PAGE,0342 > > Owens,John etc > > ... (other page 342 entries) > > Page,Herbert Frank etc > > +PAGE,0343 > > Page,Horace Archibald etc > > ... (other page 113 entries) > > Palmer,Emma etc > > +PAGE,0344 > > > > To add to the confusion the two page scan which I choose at random also > has > > Surnames "Page". > > > > How does my suggestion sound to you? > > > > To my recollection, we haven't given any advice on how to deal with two > page > > scans. I'll see of I can put some words together within the next day or so > > Co-ordinators can thrash out by best approach. > > > > > > > ==== FREEBMD-SYNDICATES Mailing List ==== > Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the > Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >