Most people now seem to have hotmail, yahoo or gmail accounts. With these you don't need to put in the name of your SMTP server so I suspect that Ian is right that most people don't know the name of their SMTP server. I'm wondering if there is a simpler solution. An option to "prepare file for emailing". This would save a copy on the desktop. From there it is easy to find it and attach it to an email whatever system one is using. Christopher Richards Ian Brooke wrote: > Barrie, > Thanks for the link. I have not looked at that particular product before > but I have looked at many others (although I had previously only looked at > no-cost solutions). This particular product appears (but I didn't take an > extensive look at it) to suffer a problem which I omitted (sorry, it's been > a long time since I investigated email packages) to mention in my earlier > posts - it requires the sender to input the name of their SMTP server - I > thought it highly unlikely that people would know this and dismissed > packages out of hand that needed it. If people don't think this is a > problem then the whole problem is much simpler, there are lots of free > solutions out there that can be used. > > If that's not a problem then what exactly is the requirement now for > emails - is it as it was previously, to send the file to the syndicate > leader? > > Regards > Ian > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Archer Barrie" <Barrie.Archer@uk.fujitsu.com> > To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:02 PM > Subject: RE: Wish list for WinBMD > > > >> Presumably something like AddEmail ActiveX 2.0 >> http://www.traysoft.com/addemail_overview.htm does not do what you want. >> >> Barrie >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >>> Ian Brooke >>> Sent: 26 January 2009 00:21 >>> To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD >>> >>> Hi Chris, >>> You would not believe the amount of time that I spent looking >>> into this >>> option when WinBMD was being developed. One of the >>> Syndicates (I think it >>> was Scan2) wanted this option so I set about trying, the >>> problem is that >>> there are so many different email systems and no standardised >>> interface >>> that, at the time, it was way too difficult to provide a >>> foolproof method. >>> I don't believe that an interface is available even now under >>> VB6 altough I >>> think there is under VB.NET (no, I'm not going that route >>> just yet!). If >>> anyone knows a simple way to provide this then I will be >>> happy to look into >>> tit! >>> >>> Regards >>> Ian >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Christopher Richards" <cmr1chards@blueyonder.co.uk> >>> To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:07 AM >>> Subject: Wish list for WinBMD >>> >>> >>> >>>> Another improvement for the next version of WinBMD would be >>>> >>> the option >>> >>>> to email a completed file. >>>> >>>> I find that new transcribers often have difficulty in sending their >>>> first transcription to me for checking: I think this is >>>> >>> more difficult >>> >>>> in Vista. But I don't use Vista myself and so don't have first hand >>>> experience of where it differs from XP. >>>> >>>> An extra option on the file menu would make this easier. >>>> >>>> Do we know if Ian is still working on the next version. I >>>> >>> haven't seen >>> >>>> any postings by him for some months. >>>> >>>> Christopher Richards >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >>> of the message >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Barrie, Thanks for the link. I have not looked at that particular product before but I have looked at many others (although I had previously only looked at no-cost solutions). This particular product appears (but I didn't take an extensive look at it) to suffer a problem which I omitted (sorry, it's been a long time since I investigated email packages) to mention in my earlier posts - it requires the sender to input the name of their SMTP server - I thought it highly unlikely that people would know this and dismissed packages out of hand that needed it. If people don't think this is a problem then the whole problem is much simpler, there are lots of free solutions out there that can be used. If that's not a problem then what exactly is the requirement now for emails - is it as it was previously, to send the file to the syndicate leader? Regards Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Archer Barrie" <Barrie.Archer@uk.fujitsu.com> To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:02 PM Subject: RE: Wish list for WinBMD > Presumably something like AddEmail ActiveX 2.0 > http://www.traysoft.com/addemail_overview.htm does not do what you want. > > Barrie > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> Ian Brooke >> Sent: 26 January 2009 00:21 >> To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD >> >> Hi Chris, >> You would not believe the amount of time that I spent looking >> into this >> option when WinBMD was being developed. One of the >> Syndicates (I think it >> was Scan2) wanted this option so I set about trying, the >> problem is that >> there are so many different email systems and no standardised >> interface >> that, at the time, it was way too difficult to provide a >> foolproof method. >> I don't believe that an interface is available even now under >> VB6 altough I >> think there is under VB.NET (no, I'm not going that route >> just yet!). If >> anyone knows a simple way to provide this then I will be >> happy to look into >> tit! >> >> Regards >> Ian >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Christopher Richards" <cmr1chards@blueyonder.co.uk> >> To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:07 AM >> Subject: Wish list for WinBMD >> >> >> > Another improvement for the next version of WinBMD would be >> the option >> > to email a completed file. >> > >> > I find that new transcribers often have difficulty in sending their >> > first transcription to me for checking: I think this is >> more difficult >> > in Vista. But I don't use Vista myself and so don't have first hand >> > experience of where it differs from XP. >> > >> > An extra option on the file menu would make this easier. >> > >> > Do we know if Ian is still working on the next version. I >> haven't seen >> > any postings by him for some months. >> > >> > Christopher Richards >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I've doing some correcting of old transcriptions and have come across the Seisdon/Seisden/Lexden issue. Seisden has been linked to Lexdon but the Sesidon, 17 comes up separately. All the entries for Seisden/Seisdon that I've come across so far are late entries squeezed into the page. So they are small and hard to be sure if they read Seisdon or Seisden. However the example on page 1838D1S0273 is clearly Seisdon when looked at on the equivalent page of ancestry. Page 171 of 1838>Q1-JAN-FEB-MAR >S. I think it would be consistent to link the four examples of Seisdon in 1838D1 to Lexden. Christopher Richards

Presumably something like AddEmail ActiveX 2.0 http://www.traysoft.com/addemail_overview.htm does not do what you want. Barrie > -----Original Message----- > From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Ian Brooke > Sent: 26 January 2009 00:21 > To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > > Hi Chris, > You would not believe the amount of time that I spent looking > into this > option when WinBMD was being developed. One of the > Syndicates (I think it > was Scan2) wanted this option so I set about trying, the > problem is that > there are so many different email systems and no standardised > interface > that, at the time, it was way too difficult to provide a > foolproof method. > I don't believe that an interface is available even now under > VB6 altough I > think there is under VB.NET (no, I'm not going that route > just yet!). If > anyone knows a simple way to provide this then I will be > happy to look into > tit! > > Regards > Ian > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher Richards" <cmr1chards@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:07 AM > Subject: Wish list for WinBMD > > > > Another improvement for the next version of WinBMD would be > the option > > to email a completed file. > > > > I find that new transcribers often have difficulty in sending their > > first transcription to me for checking: I think this is > more difficult > > in Vista. But I don't use Vista myself and so don't have first hand > > experience of where it differs from XP. > > > > An extra option on the file menu would make this easier. > > > > Do we know if Ian is still working on the next version. I > haven't seen > > any postings by him for some months. > > > > Christopher Richards > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message >

Vista is no different to earlier system vintage. You prepare the email in the normal way, click on "attach file to Message" which brings up the browse menu select the file from the the Output Folder of WinBMD (I use the default Output folder for saving WinBMD files) and click send. Allan Raymond From: Christopher Richards < cmr1chards@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Wish list for WinBMD Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 08:07:51 +0000 Another improvement for the next version of WinBMD would be the option to email a completed file. I find that new transcribers often have difficulty in sending their first transcription to me for checking: I think this is more difficult in Vista. But I don't use Vista myself and so don't have first hand experience of where it differs from XP. An extra option on the file menu would make this easier. Do we know if Ian is still working on the next version. I haven't seen any postings by him for some months. Christopher Richards

Just to clarify what I said here - the problem is not creating the email, that's not that difficult, what's difficult for the progrsm is attaching the file because it seems to vary from system to system. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Brooke" <ianbrooke@hotmail.com> To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > Hi Chris, > You would not believe the amount of time that I spent looking into this > option when WinBMD was being developed. One of the Syndicates (I think it > was Scan2) wanted this option so I set about trying, the problem is that > there are so many different email systems and no standardised interface > that, at the time, it was way too difficult to provide a foolproof method. > I don't believe that an interface is available even now under VB6 altough > I > think there is under VB.NET (no, I'm not going that route just yet!). If > anyone knows a simple way to provide this then I will be happy to look > into > tit! > > Regards > Ian > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher Richards" <cmr1chards@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:07 AM > Subject: Wish list for WinBMD > > >> Another improvement for the next version of WinBMD would be the option >> to email a completed file. >> >> I find that new transcribers often have difficulty in sending their >> first transcription to me for checking: I think this is more difficult >> in Vista. But I don't use Vista myself and so don't have first hand >> experience of where it differs from XP. >> >> An extra option on the file menu would make this easier. >> >> Do we know if Ian is still working on the next version. I haven't seen >> any postings by him for some months. >> >> Christopher Richards >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Chris, You would not believe the amount of time that I spent looking into this option when WinBMD was being developed. One of the Syndicates (I think it was Scan2) wanted this option so I set about trying, the problem is that there are so many different email systems and no standardised interface that, at the time, it was way too difficult to provide a foolproof method. I don't believe that an interface is available even now under VB6 altough I think there is under VB.NET (no, I'm not going that route just yet!). If anyone knows a simple way to provide this then I will be happy to look into tit! Regards Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Richards" <cmr1chards@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:07 AM Subject: Wish list for WinBMD > Another improvement for the next version of WinBMD would be the option > to email a completed file. > > I find that new transcribers often have difficulty in sending their > first transcription to me for checking: I think this is more difficult > in Vista. But I don't use Vista myself and so don't have first hand > experience of where it differs from XP. > > An extra option on the file menu would make this easier. > > Do we know if Ian is still working on the next version. I haven't seen > any postings by him for some months. > > Christopher Richards > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Greetings. When I installed SpeedBMD I think an option when the program was first used was to print off the User's Manual which took me through using the program step by step. This gave me all the information I needed to transcribe. (I still have it in a box somewhere...) If a suggestion could be made for the next version of WinBMD perhaps this could be on a Welcome Page upon first opening the program, I am however assuming the Help File is in a format that would allow printing or saving as a .pdf file. Perhaps reference to the SpeedBMD Manual might be useful? With the Manual and the TKB I needed to call only very rarely on the Admins list - and this was in the days when syndicate coordinators didn't have web tutorials on using the program. Actually, thinking about it, SpeedBMD taught me a great deal en passant about using my PC as well! Now, *that* could be a real bonus! -- Anne ---- Nowl <owl.news@zen.co.uk> wrote: > Thanks to everyone for their comments! I hope nobody will mind if I > reply in one mail, to avoid cluttering up the list. > > [Christopher Richards wrote:] > >There is already an option to do this. It is the third line of the File > >menu and reads "Define save path". > >I have to admit that is computer speak and not immediately obvious what > >it means! > > Thanks for the reply, Christopher, that's my point -- it's not obvious > to most non-technical people, nor is the concept of a Save Path itself. > They think they can use Save As instead, not realising that the next > time the file is saved the folder set in Save Path will be used. > > What I'm suggesting is that specifically asking the new user to choose a > Save Path the first time they run the program, instead of defaulting to > \Program Files\WinBMD\Output, would (IMO) introduce the idea and avoid a > lot of problems from the start. > > [Archer Barrie wrote: re the Hints & help pages:] > >The current one does cover WinBMD and I think that what is > >needed is some revisions to the WinBMD specific section to cover, for > >example, installation under Vista, the virtual storage issue and the > >"Save as" issue. It should also indicate which of the subsequent > >sections apply to WinBMD. > > It would be great if that were possible, Barrie. As a slight expansion > on the Save As issue, could it also mention that the file names are > meaningful and should not be changed? > > [Allan Raymond wrote (quoting WinBMD's excellent Help on Save options:] > >The 3rd is called "Save As...". This allows you to save your data > >anywhere you like on your PC and in a file of any name. Please note > >that this is a "one-off" Save - it does not affect in any way any > >future Saves, they will always Save exactly as and where as described > >above. > > > >What could be clearer? > > > >Syndicate Co-ordinators should be requesting their new volunteers to > >have a look at the Index associated with WinBMD. > > Hi Allan, I do, I do! However some apparently won't even read the > Welcome email in which I make the suggestion, or their new transcribers' > notes, let alone a Help file :-) > > -- > Nowl >

Thanks to everyone for their comments! I hope nobody will mind if I reply in one mail, to avoid cluttering up the list. [Christopher Richards wrote:] >There is already an option to do this. It is the third line of the File >menu and reads "Define save path". >I have to admit that is computer speak and not immediately obvious what >it means! Thanks for the reply, Christopher, that's my point -- it's not obvious to most non-technical people, nor is the concept of a Save Path itself. They think they can use Save As instead, not realising that the next time the file is saved the folder set in Save Path will be used. What I'm suggesting is that specifically asking the new user to choose a Save Path the first time they run the program, instead of defaulting to \Program Files\WinBMD\Output, would (IMO) introduce the idea and avoid a lot of problems from the start. [Archer Barrie wrote: re the Hints & help pages:] >The current one does cover WinBMD and I think that what is >needed is some revisions to the WinBMD specific section to cover, for >example, installation under Vista, the virtual storage issue and the >"Save as" issue. It should also indicate which of the subsequent >sections apply to WinBMD. It would be great if that were possible, Barrie. As a slight expansion on the Save As issue, could it also mention that the file names are meaningful and should not be changed? [Allan Raymond wrote (quoting WinBMD's excellent Help on Save options:] >The 3rd is called "Save As...". This allows you to save your data >anywhere you like on your PC and in a file of any name. Please note >that this is a "one-off" Save - it does not affect in any way any >future Saves, they will always Save exactly as and where as described >above. > >What could be clearer? > >Syndicate Co-ordinators should be requesting their new volunteers to >have a look at the Index associated with WinBMD. Hi Allan, I do, I do! However some apparently won't even read the Welcome email in which I make the suggestion, or their new transcribers' notes, let alone a Help file :-) -- Nowl

The problem as I see it is that there is an awful for a new transcriber to take in when they first start - and that includes all the places where information can be found. And some are much better at assimilating it than others. I've a feeling there is no easy solution to this. Christopher Richards Allan Raymond wrote: > Tongue in cheek on my part. > > What about the help files associated with each package? > > WinBMD in particular has quite a comprehensive search index. > > For example in the WinBMD searching the index for word "save" provides the > following information: > > ****************************************************************************** > Saving Your Data > > There are three options on the File Menu that allow you to Save your data. > > One (Save Current Batch) allows you to Save and continue transcribing. This > saves the data to a standard named file the name of which you can see > displayed in the 2nd box of the status bar along the bottom of the Data > Input Form. The location of this file is defined by another item on the > File Menu "Define Save Path" and the current location is always shown on the > File Menu next to that item. By default it is a folder called "Output" > below your WinBMD folder - you can change this default by clicking the > "Define Save Path" item. > > The 2nd is called "Save Batch and Exit" and does exactly the same as method > one above except that after saving your data the program will exit. > > The 3rd is called "Save As...". This allows you to save your data anywhere > you like on your PC and in a file of any name. Please note that this is a > "one-off" Save - it does not affect in any way any future Saves, they will > always Save exactly as and where as described above. > ****************************************************************************** > > What could be clearer? > > Syndicate Co-ordinators should be requesting their new volunteers to have a > look at the Index associated with WinBMD. > > Allan Raymond > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Archer Barrie" <Barrie.Archer@uk.fujitsu.com> > To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:09 AM > Subject: RE: Save As headaches > > > But doesn't all this highlight the fact that we have no help page that > explains how to get started with WinBMD and BMDVerify? I presume that > syndicate coordinators all have their own help information. > > Barrie > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> Christopher Richards >> Sent: 22 January 2009 08:10 >> To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: Save As headaches >> >> There is already an option to do this. It is the third line >> of the File >> menu and reads "Define save path". >> I have to admit that is computer speak and not immediately >> obvious what >> it means! >> >> Christopher Richards >> >> Nowl wrote: >> >>> I've been seeing an awful lot of "multiple version" >>> >> problems recently >> >>> caused by new volunteers using Save As in WinBMD to >>> >> relocate their file. >> >>> Could I ask if an explanation of why this is Not A Good Idea could >>> possibly be included somewhere in the beginner's help pages >>> >> next time >> >>> they're updated? >>> >>> A quick explanation In case people don't know what I'm on about. . . >>> >>> A new volunteer uses Save As to save a page to, say My >>> >> Documents. They >> >>> add to it or edit it and expect the changes to update that >>> >> file in My >> >>> Documents, which is what they're used to with Word and similar. >>> >>> But in WinBMD future edits continue to be saved to >>> >> whichever folder is >> >>> set in the Save Path. The result is that unbeknown to the volunteer, >>> they have two (or more) versions and they're not working on >>> >> the one they >> >>> think they are. >>> >>> Just in the last week I've had cries for help because: "I >>> >> saved my page >> >>> and now half of it is gone!"; "I make the corrections in WinBMD but >>> BMDVerify doesn't do anything"; and "My changes aren't >>> >> being saved". >> >>> Another volunteer dutifully made requested corrections and >>> >> then uploaded >> >>> the version with the errors. >>> >>> While I'm at it, could I add something to the Wish List for the next >>> version of WinBMD? I would really like to see the program, >>> >> on first run, >> >>> ask the user to choose or create a folder in which to store >>> >> their work, >> >>> and set this as the Save Path. I think it would be >>> >> friendlier for new >> >>> users, make it easier for them to find their pages and >>> >> perhaps also help >> >>> with the problem of Vista not allowing writes to subfolders >>> >> of Program >> >>> Files. >>> >>> Thanks for listening :-) >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

I am covered in confusion! I inadvertently looked at an old Hints and Help file that was live on the server (I have now scheduled it for deletion). The current one does cover WinBMD and I think that what is needed is some revisions to the WinBMD specific section to cover, for example, installation under Vista, the virtual storage issue and the "Save as" issue. It should also indicate which of the subsequent sections apply to WinBMD. Barrie > -----Original Message----- > From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Allan Raymond > Sent: 22 January 2009 13:36 > To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Save As headaches > > Tongue in cheek on my part. > > What about the help files associated with each package? > > WinBMD in particular has quite a comprehensive search index. > > For example in the WinBMD searching the index for word "save" > provides the > following information: > > ************************************************************** > **************** > Saving Your Data > > There are three options on the File Menu that allow you to > Save your data. > > One (Save Current Batch) allows you to Save and continue > transcribing. This > saves the data to a standard named file the name of which you can see > displayed in the 2nd box of the status bar along the bottom > of the Data > Input Form. The location of this file is defined by another > item on the > File Menu "Define Save Path" and the current location is > always shown on the > File Menu next to that item. By default it is a folder > called "Output" > below your WinBMD folder - you can change this default by > clicking the > "Define Save Path" item. > > The 2nd is called "Save Batch and Exit" and does exactly the > same as method > one above except that after saving your data the program will exit. > > The 3rd is called "Save As...". This allows you to save your > data anywhere > you like on your PC and in a file of any name. Please note > that this is a > "one-off" Save - it does not affect in any way any future > Saves, they will > always Save exactly as and where as described above. > ************************************************************** > **************** > > What could be clearer? > > Syndicate Co-ordinators should be requesting their new > volunteers to have a > look at the Index associated with WinBMD. > > Allan Raymond > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Archer Barrie" <Barrie.Archer@uk.fujitsu.com> > To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:09 AM > Subject: RE: Save As headaches > > > But doesn't all this highlight the fact that we have no help page that > explains how to get started with WinBMD and BMDVerify? I presume that > syndicate coordinators all have their own help information. > > Barrie > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > > Christopher Richards > > Sent: 22 January 2009 08:10 > > To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: Save As headaches > > > > There is already an option to do this. It is the third line > > of the File > > menu and reads "Define save path". > > I have to admit that is computer speak and not immediately > > obvious what > > it means! > > > > Christopher Richards > > > > Nowl wrote: > > > I've been seeing an awful lot of "multiple version" > > problems recently > > > caused by new volunteers using Save As in WinBMD to > > relocate their file. > > > Could I ask if an explanation of why this is Not A Good Idea could > > > possibly be included somewhere in the beginner's help pages > > next time > > > they're updated? > > > > > > A quick explanation In case people don't know what I'm on > about. . . > > > > > > A new volunteer uses Save As to save a page to, say My > > Documents. They > > > add to it or edit it and expect the changes to update that > > file in My > > > Documents, which is what they're used to with Word and similar. > > > > > > But in WinBMD future edits continue to be saved to > > whichever folder is > > > set in the Save Path. The result is that unbeknown to the > volunteer, > > > they have two (or more) versions and they're not working on > > the one they > > > think they are. > > > > > > Just in the last week I've had cries for help because: "I > > saved my page > > > and now half of it is gone!"; "I make the corrections in > WinBMD but > > > BMDVerify doesn't do anything"; and "My changes aren't > > being saved". > > > Another volunteer dutifully made requested corrections and > > then uploaded > > > the version with the errors. > > > > > > While I'm at it, could I add something to the Wish List > for the next > > > version of WinBMD? I would really like to see the program, > > on first run, > > > ask the user to choose or create a folder in which to store > > their work, > > > and set this as the Save Path. I think it would be > > friendlier for new > > > users, make it easier for them to find their pages and > > perhaps also help > > > with the problem of Vista not allowing writes to subfolders > > of Program > > > Files. > > > > > > Thanks for listening :-) > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > > of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message >

Tongue in cheek on my part. What about the help files associated with each package? WinBMD in particular has quite a comprehensive search index. For example in the WinBMD searching the index for word "save" provides the following information: ****************************************************************************** Saving Your Data There are three options on the File Menu that allow you to Save your data. One (Save Current Batch) allows you to Save and continue transcribing. This saves the data to a standard named file the name of which you can see displayed in the 2nd box of the status bar along the bottom of the Data Input Form. The location of this file is defined by another item on the File Menu "Define Save Path" and the current location is always shown on the File Menu next to that item. By default it is a folder called "Output" below your WinBMD folder - you can change this default by clicking the "Define Save Path" item. The 2nd is called "Save Batch and Exit" and does exactly the same as method one above except that after saving your data the program will exit. The 3rd is called "Save As...". This allows you to save your data anywhere you like on your PC and in a file of any name. Please note that this is a "one-off" Save - it does not affect in any way any future Saves, they will always Save exactly as and where as described above. ****************************************************************************** What could be clearer? Syndicate Co-ordinators should be requesting their new volunteers to have a look at the Index associated with WinBMD. Allan Raymond ----- Original Message ----- From: "Archer Barrie" <Barrie.Archer@uk.fujitsu.com> To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:09 AM Subject: RE: Save As headaches But doesn't all this highlight the fact that we have no help page that explains how to get started with WinBMD and BMDVerify? I presume that syndicate coordinators all have their own help information. Barrie > -----Original Message----- > From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Christopher Richards > Sent: 22 January 2009 08:10 > To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Save As headaches > > There is already an option to do this. It is the third line > of the File > menu and reads "Define save path". > I have to admit that is computer speak and not immediately > obvious what > it means! > > Christopher Richards > > Nowl wrote: > > I've been seeing an awful lot of "multiple version" > problems recently > > caused by new volunteers using Save As in WinBMD to > relocate their file. > > Could I ask if an explanation of why this is Not A Good Idea could > > possibly be included somewhere in the beginner's help pages > next time > > they're updated? > > > > A quick explanation In case people don't know what I'm on about. . . > > > > A new volunteer uses Save As to save a page to, say My > Documents. They > > add to it or edit it and expect the changes to update that > file in My > > Documents, which is what they're used to with Word and similar. > > > > But in WinBMD future edits continue to be saved to > whichever folder is > > set in the Save Path. The result is that unbeknown to the volunteer, > > they have two (or more) versions and they're not working on > the one they > > think they are. > > > > Just in the last week I've had cries for help because: "I > saved my page > > and now half of it is gone!"; "I make the corrections in WinBMD but > > BMDVerify doesn't do anything"; and "My changes aren't > being saved". > > Another volunteer dutifully made requested corrections and > then uploaded > > the version with the errors. > > > > While I'm at it, could I add something to the Wish List for the next > > version of WinBMD? I would really like to see the program, > on first run, > > ask the user to choose or create a folder in which to store > their work, > > and set this as the Save Path. I think it would be > friendlier for new > > users, make it easier for them to find their pages and > perhaps also help > > with the problem of Vista not allowing writes to subfolders > of Program > > Files. > > > > Thanks for listening :-) > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

But doesn't all this highlight the fact that we have no help page that explains how to get started with WinBMD and BMDVerify? I presume that syndicate coordinators all have their own help information. Barrie > -----Original Message----- > From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Christopher Richards > Sent: 22 January 2009 08:10 > To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Save As headaches > > There is already an option to do this. It is the third line > of the File > menu and reads "Define save path". > I have to admit that is computer speak and not immediately > obvious what > it means! > > Christopher Richards > > Nowl wrote: > > I've been seeing an awful lot of "multiple version" > problems recently > > caused by new volunteers using Save As in WinBMD to > relocate their file. > > Could I ask if an explanation of why this is Not A Good Idea could > > possibly be included somewhere in the beginner's help pages > next time > > they're updated? > > > > A quick explanation In case people don't know what I'm on about. . . > > > > A new volunteer uses Save As to save a page to, say My > Documents. They > > add to it or edit it and expect the changes to update that > file in My > > Documents, which is what they're used to with Word and similar. > > > > But in WinBMD future edits continue to be saved to > whichever folder is > > set in the Save Path. The result is that unbeknown to the volunteer, > > they have two (or more) versions and they're not working on > the one they > > think they are. > > > > Just in the last week I've had cries for help because: "I > saved my page > > and now half of it is gone!"; "I make the corrections in WinBMD but > > BMDVerify doesn't do anything"; and "My changes aren't > being saved". > > Another volunteer dutifully made requested corrections and > then uploaded > > the version with the errors. > > > > While I'm at it, could I add something to the Wish List for the next > > version of WinBMD? I would really like to see the program, > on first run, > > ask the user to choose or create a folder in which to store > their work, > > and set this as the Save Path. I think it would be > friendlier for new > > users, make it easier for them to find their pages and > perhaps also help > > with the problem of Vista not allowing writes to subfolders > of Program > > Files. > > > > Thanks for listening :-) > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message >

There is already an option to do this. It is the third line of the File menu and reads "Define save path". I have to admit that is computer speak and not immediately obvious what it means! Christopher Richards Nowl wrote: > I've been seeing an awful lot of "multiple version" problems recently > caused by new volunteers using Save As in WinBMD to relocate their file. > Could I ask if an explanation of why this is Not A Good Idea could > possibly be included somewhere in the beginner's help pages next time > they're updated? > > A quick explanation In case people don't know what I'm on about. . . > > A new volunteer uses Save As to save a page to, say My Documents. They > add to it or edit it and expect the changes to update that file in My > Documents, which is what they're used to with Word and similar. > > But in WinBMD future edits continue to be saved to whichever folder is > set in the Save Path. The result is that unbeknown to the volunteer, > they have two (or more) versions and they're not working on the one they > think they are. > > Just in the last week I've had cries for help because: "I saved my page > and now half of it is gone!"; "I make the corrections in WinBMD but > BMDVerify doesn't do anything"; and "My changes aren't being saved". > Another volunteer dutifully made requested corrections and then uploaded > the version with the errors. > > While I'm at it, could I add something to the Wish List for the next > version of WinBMD? I would really like to see the program, on first run, > ask the user to choose or create a folder in which to store their work, > and set this as the Save Path. I think it would be friendlier for new > users, make it easier for them to find their pages and perhaps also help > with the problem of Vista not allowing writes to subfolders of Program > Files. > > Thanks for listening :-) >

Another improvement for the next version of WinBMD would be the option to email a completed file. I find that new transcribers often have difficulty in sending their first transcription to me for checking: I think this is more difficult in Vista. But I don't use Vista myself and so don't have first hand experience of where it differs from XP. An extra option on the file menu would make this easier. Do we know if Ian is still working on the next version. I haven't seen any postings by him for some months. Christopher Richards

I've been seeing an awful lot of "multiple version" problems recently caused by new volunteers using Save As in WinBMD to relocate their file. Could I ask if an explanation of why this is Not A Good Idea could possibly be included somewhere in the beginner's help pages next time they're updated? A quick explanation In case people don't know what I'm on about. . . A new volunteer uses Save As to save a page to, say My Documents. They add to it or edit it and expect the changes to update that file in My Documents, which is what they're used to with Word and similar. But in WinBMD future edits continue to be saved to whichever folder is set in the Save Path. The result is that unbeknown to the volunteer, they have two (or more) versions and they're not working on the one they think they are. Just in the last week I've had cries for help because: "I saved my page and now half of it is gone!"; "I make the corrections in WinBMD but BMDVerify doesn't do anything"; and "My changes aren't being saved". Another volunteer dutifully made requested corrections and then uploaded the version with the errors. While I'm at it, could I add something to the Wish List for the next version of WinBMD? I would really like to see the program, on first run, ask the user to choose or create a folder in which to store their work, and set this as the Save Path. I think it would be friendlier for new users, make it easier for them to find their pages and perhaps also help with the problem of Vista not allowing writes to subfolders of Program Files. Thanks for listening :-) -- Nowl

Ah, clearly I wasn't thinking straight yesterday! Too focused, that's my problem Clearly, mal's co-ord needs to be aware that mal probably didn't transcribe some pages that he should have, when he transcribed the ones that he shouldn't have. Sorry! 2009/1/15 JOHN SLANN <john.slann@btinternet.com> > Oh Dave, > > I am sorry about my imprecise use of words, I should know better after all > these years. I really ought to have asked if mal's coordinator wanted to > take any action on the scans mistakenly transcribed by transcriber mal. > He/she might want to know that the mistake had occurred > > Hope this puts the record straight > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of david mayall > Sent: 15 January 2009 07:42 > To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Births Mar 1842 > > 2009/1/12 JOHN SLANN <john.slann@btinternet.com> > > > The scans in this quarter have been allocated to Croscan and the John > Slann > > Syndicate. It has been drawn to my attention that scans 0341 to 0350 > have > > wrongly transcribed by mal from the Western OZ. There may be others, > > please > > can this be rectified? > > > > By "wrongly transcribed", do you mean; > > - He has transcribed them even though they shouldn't have been allocated > to him > - He has transcribed them incorrectly. > > > If the latter, then we can certainly remove them. > > If the former, then there is nothing that we need to do. These pages will > end up with three transcriptions instead of two, which will cause no > problems. > -- > Dave Mayall > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Dave Mayall

John No action is required by mal's Co-ordinator. To be precise I assume you meant scans in the T surname series? To put the record straight, mal is a member of Croscan Syndicate (as well as Western Oz Synd plus one other Syndicate) and transcribed these pages as part of Croscan Syndicate. It does look as if a block of scans were double keyed within Croscan Syndicate. Regards Allan Raymond ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN SLANN" <john.slann@btinternet.com> To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:07 PM Subject: RE: Births Mar 1842 Oh Dave, I am sorry about my imprecise use of words, I should know better after all these years. I really ought to have asked if mal's coordinator wanted to take any action on the scans mistakenly transcribed by transcriber mal. He/she might want to know that the mistake had occurred Hope this puts the record straight John -----Original Message----- From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of david mayall Sent: 15 January 2009 07:42 To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Births Mar 1842 2009/1/12 JOHN SLANN <john.slann@btinternet.com> > The scans in this quarter have been allocated to Croscan and the John Slann > Syndicate. It has been drawn to my attention that scans 0341 to 0350 have > wrongly transcribed by mal from the Western OZ. There may be others, > please > can this be rectified? > By "wrongly transcribed", do you mean; - He has transcribed them even though they shouldn't have been allocated to him - He has transcribed them incorrectly. If the latter, then we can certainly remove them. If the former, then there is nothing that we need to do. These pages will end up with three transcriptions instead of two, which will cause no problems. -- Dave Mayall ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh Dave, I am sorry about my imprecise use of words, I should know better after all these years. I really ought to have asked if mal's coordinator wanted to take any action on the scans mistakenly transcribed by transcriber mal. He/she might want to know that the mistake had occurred Hope this puts the record straight John -----Original Message----- From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of david mayall Sent: 15 January 2009 07:42 To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Births Mar 1842 2009/1/12 JOHN SLANN <john.slann@btinternet.com> > The scans in this quarter have been allocated to Croscan and the John Slann > Syndicate. It has been drawn to my attention that scans 0341 to 0350 have > wrongly transcribed by mal from the Western OZ. There may be others, > please > can this be rectified? > By "wrongly transcribed", do you mean; - He has transcribed them even though they shouldn't have been allocated to him - He has transcribed them incorrectly. If the latter, then we can certainly remove them. If the former, then there is nothing that we need to do. These pages will end up with three transcriptions instead of two, which will cause no problems. -- Dave Mayall ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

2009/1/12 JOHN SLANN <john.slann@btinternet.com> > The scans in this quarter have been allocated to Croscan and the John Slann > Syndicate. It has been drawn to my attention that scans 0341 to 0350 have > wrongly transcribed by mal from the Western OZ. There may be others, > please > can this be rectified? > By "wrongly transcribed", do you mean; - He has transcribed them even though they shouldn't have been allocated to him - He has transcribed them incorrectly. If the latter, then we can certainly remove them. If the former, then there is nothing that we need to do. These pages will end up with three transcriptions instead of two, which will cause no problems. -- Dave Mayall