One of the problems for new transcribers (we've found) is that they are often new to computers, programs, email clients & the internet too - they'd have no idea what SMTP even means So when they install a new program, they just allow it to do its own thing & never tell it (the program) where to install - just the default Then with Vista in particular, they can't find it! When a newbie joins now, I ask them if they're using Vista & try to give them specific instructions on where to find their files - this has saved me hours in the long run So Nowl's suggestion is spot on - I'd like to see a Folder created especially for WinBMD output (automatically) as a sub-folder off My Documents and the user being told that this is what's happening - most users can find My Documents ok At present, if they've changed the Define Path & can't remember where it is, I can end up with half a dozen emails per new Trannie going back & forth! Not everyone would use C:\WinBMD or C:\Program Files\WinBMD - I certainly don't Hooroo Teri

What was the question? Barrie > -----Original Message----- > From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Christopher Richards > Sent: 28 January 2009 17:35 > To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > Subject: Help file for FreeBMD > > I've just taken on a new transcriber who has recently been made > redundant as a computer programmer. I asked her about help files... > > This was the reply > > It's a _very_ long time since I've written any help files > (for Windows > apps), so can't remember much about it, but I've also written > documents > with XML markup and run them through parsing software to > correct errors, > so I have a bit of a clue about that sort of thing. If > someone can tell > me what is required and how to go about it, I'll be happy to > put in the > time and effort to produce a suitable help document. > Looking forward to hearing from you again, > > Is this what we are looking for... > > Christopher Richards > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message >

Allan, Do you run with UAC switched off? Barrie > -----Original Message----- > From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Allan Raymond > Sent: 28 January 2009 17:20 > To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > > I'm not necessarily saying my process is correct but it works > perfectly for > me without any problems. > > 1. I'm using Vista, so I know it works > > 2. I set up a new Folder C:\WinBMD > > 3. I downloaded and saved WinBMD (ignoring any problems with > Run time error > 429 error) to this folder when requested where to save to. > > 4. The default for saved files is in the Output folder which is > automatically set up as a sub folder of WinBMD folder, which > in my case is > C:\WinBMD\Output > > I can guarantee the files are easily found in > C:\WinBMD\Output which is why > I keep saying I can't understand why transcribers can't find > their files if > using Vista. > > I seem to recollect this is what I did when I had Windows 98 > before moving > across to Vista. > > Allan Raymond > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Archer Barrie" <Barrie.Archer@uk.fujitsu.com> > To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:45 PM > Subject: RE: Wish list for WinBMD > > > Oh, I thought you had WinBMD in c:\Program Files\WinBMD and > your data in > c:\WinBMD! > > So... > > 1) When you install WinBMD it puts the program in c:\Program > Files\WinBMD unless you specifically change it. So c:\Program > Files\WinBMD is the default. > > 2) My understanding would be that "a separate folder on your > hard drive" > means just that, it does not mean it has to be directly under c:, it > just means that it should not be in the same folder as SpeedBMD. As > evidence I would offer 1) above. Installing WinBMD in the SpeedBMD > folder would be pretty perverse but I guess the instruction is there > because somebody did it. > > 3) I don't have Vista so I cannot test this, but I assume that the way > you have it set up will *not* work under Vista in the sense > that output > files will still not be easily found. What Vista is trying to do is to > stop different users using the same part of fileststore and > it does this > by virtualising any attempt to write to the program location (be that > c:\Program Files\WinBMD or c:\WinBMD). > > I stand by my previous assertion, however, that the only sensible > default (nowadays) for the output is My Documents/WinBMD. > > Barrie > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > > Allan Raymond > > Sent: 28 January 2009 11:50 > > To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > > > > Sorry I can't agree with with this assumption, purely from my > > layman's point > > of view. > > > > I took the instructions for installing WinBMD quite literal > > and installed > > the program in its own folder on the C; drive. The > > instructions states > > "WinBMD is a separate program from SpeedBMD and should not be > > installed in > > the SpeedBMD folder, but into its own folder on your hard > > drive", whence I > > set up a WinBMD folder on the C; drive rather than a sub > > folder within the > > "Program" folder. > > > > When I save a WinBMD file it is either: > > > > Save Current Batch > > or > > Save Batch and Exit > > > > NEVER Save As.... > > > > Using my method any files are saved by default in a folder > > called "Output" > > below my WinBMD folder. > > > > So whenever I need to search for a file produced by WinBMD, I > > will find it > > in folder C:/WinBMD/Output which means it is quite accessible. > > > > Allan Raymond > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Archer Barrie" <Barrie.Archer@uk.fujitsu.com> > > To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:17 AM > > Subject: RE: Wish list for WinBMD > > > > > > Allan, > > > > The problem is that it is not the default. The default is a location > > that is not immediately accessible. > > > > Barrie > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > > > Allan Raymond > > > Sent: 27 January 2009 20:09 > > > To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > A tick in the box. > > > > > > Exactly where my WinBMD resides, perhaps that is why I can't > > > see what all > > > the fuss is about anyone not being able to locate their files > > > to send to > > > their Coordinator. > > > > > > Allan Raymond > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bob Phillips" <robert.ph@ntlworld.com> > > > To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:58 PM > > > Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > > > > > > > > > How about making the default installation folder > > > C:\WinBMD > > > instead of the standard > > > C:\Program Files\WinBMD > > > which should stop Windows Vista from changing the Save location. > > > > > > cheers > > > Bob Phillips > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Nowl" <owl.news@zen.co.uk> > > > To: <FreeBMD-Syndicates@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:43 PM > > > Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > > > > > > > > > > Christopher Richards wrote on Tue, 27 Jan 2009: > > > > > > > >>I'm wondering if there is a simpler solution. An option > > to "prepare > > > >>file for emailing". This would save a copy on the desktop. > > > From there > > > >>it is easy to find it and attach it to an email whatever > > > system one is > > > >>using. > > > > > > > > Oh no, *please* don't let's encourage people to copy > files to the > > > > desktop! This is exactly what leads to the multiple-version > > > nightmare I > > > > posted about last week (see thread "Save As headaches". > > > > > > > > I agree with Barrie and think the core problem is the > > Save Path. I'd > > > > like to see WinBMD, when first run, ask the user to choose > > > or create a > > > > folder in which to store their work, perhaps offering > to create a > > > > subfolder of My Documents by default. > > > > -- > > > > Nowl > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' > > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1918 - Release > > > Date: 1/27/2009 > > > 7:26 AM > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > > > of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > > of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message >

Exactly! Just as I have been saying, the *default* should be a folder under Documents (My Documents in earlier Windows) then, as you imply, it would be easy for users to find. Barrie > -----Original Message----- > From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Keith Simpson > Sent: 28 January 2009 18:00 > To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > Subject: re Windows Wish List > Importance: High > > After reading all the messages regarding where files of > transcripts are > stored when saved . I would just like to say that a picture is worth a > thousand words. When I have a new transcriber who is having > problems I send > them a screenshot of WinBMD . Along with the screen shot I > send detailed > instructions on how to change the default settings to a place > they would > recognise more easily. i.e. Storing their TRANSCRIBED FILES > in the DOCUMENTS > folder. > > So far this has worked and everybody seems quite happy. They > don't have to > go searching their hard drives for folders, which can prove > daunting for new > users of computers. > > > > Keith > > Gandalf Syndicate > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message >

A good idea about a picture, this just adds to my earlier comment it is easy to find my WinBMD files: As in: http://www.btinternet.com/~allan_raymond/WinBMDSceen.jpg Allan Raymond ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Simpson" <Ksimpson68@btinternet.com> To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:00 PM Subject: re Windows Wish List After reading all the messages regarding where files of transcripts are stored when saved . I would just like to say that a picture is worth a thousand words. When I have a new transcriber who is having problems I send them a screenshot of WinBMD . Along with the screen shot I send detailed instructions on how to change the default settings to a place they would recognise more easily. i.e. Storing their TRANSCRIBED FILES in the DOCUMENTS folder. So far this has worked and everybody seems quite happy. They don't have to go searching their hard drives for folders, which can prove daunting for new users of computers. Keith Gandalf Syndicate ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

After reading all the messages regarding where files of transcripts are stored when saved . I would just like to say that a picture is worth a thousand words. When I have a new transcriber who is having problems I send them a screenshot of WinBMD . Along with the screen shot I send detailed instructions on how to change the default settings to a place they would recognise more easily. i.e. Storing their TRANSCRIBED FILES in the DOCUMENTS folder. So far this has worked and everybody seems quite happy. They don't have to go searching their hard drives for folders, which can prove daunting for new users of computers. Keith Gandalf Syndicate

Jeff Coleman wrote on Wed, 28 Jan 2009: >There was a query about WinBMD installation at 20 January 2009 13:02 on the >FreeBMD-admins list from Janet Harding, for which I have not seen a reply on >the list. It is at >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/FreeBMD-Admins/2009-01/1232456574 . >Can anyone help, or has this been sorted by the syndicate co-ordinator >concerned? Yes thank you, Jeff, Janet is up and running now :-) -- Nowl

I've just taken on a new transcriber who has recently been made redundant as a computer programmer. I asked her about help files... This was the reply It's a _very_ long time since I've written any help files (for Windows apps), so can't remember much about it, but I've also written documents with XML markup and run them through parsing software to correct errors, so I have a bit of a clue about that sort of thing. If someone can tell me what is required and how to go about it, I'll be happy to put in the time and effort to produce a suitable help document. Looking forward to hearing from you again, Is this what we are looking for... Christopher Richards

I'm not necessarily saying my process is correct but it works perfectly for me without any problems. 1. I'm using Vista, so I know it works 2. I set up a new Folder C:\WinBMD 3. I downloaded and saved WinBMD (ignoring any problems with Run time error 429 error) to this folder when requested where to save to. 4. The default for saved files is in the Output folder which is automatically set up as a sub folder of WinBMD folder, which in my case is C:\WinBMD\Output I can guarantee the files are easily found in C:\WinBMD\Output which is why I keep saying I can't understand why transcribers can't find their files if using Vista. I seem to recollect this is what I did when I had Windows 98 before moving across to Vista. Allan Raymond ----- Original Message ----- From: "Archer Barrie" <Barrie.Archer@uk.fujitsu.com> To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:45 PM Subject: RE: Wish list for WinBMD Oh, I thought you had WinBMD in c:\Program Files\WinBMD and your data in c:\WinBMD! So... 1) When you install WinBMD it puts the program in c:\Program Files\WinBMD unless you specifically change it. So c:\Program Files\WinBMD is the default. 2) My understanding would be that "a separate folder on your hard drive" means just that, it does not mean it has to be directly under c:, it just means that it should not be in the same folder as SpeedBMD. As evidence I would offer 1) above. Installing WinBMD in the SpeedBMD folder would be pretty perverse but I guess the instruction is there because somebody did it. 3) I don't have Vista so I cannot test this, but I assume that the way you have it set up will *not* work under Vista in the sense that output files will still not be easily found. What Vista is trying to do is to stop different users using the same part of fileststore and it does this by virtualising any attempt to write to the program location (be that c:\Program Files\WinBMD or c:\WinBMD). I stand by my previous assertion, however, that the only sensible default (nowadays) for the output is My Documents/WinBMD. Barrie > -----Original Message----- > From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Allan Raymond > Sent: 28 January 2009 11:50 > To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > > Sorry I can't agree with with this assumption, purely from my > layman's point > of view. > > I took the instructions for installing WinBMD quite literal > and installed > the program in its own folder on the C; drive. The > instructions states > "WinBMD is a separate program from SpeedBMD and should not be > installed in > the SpeedBMD folder, but into its own folder on your hard > drive", whence I > set up a WinBMD folder on the C; drive rather than a sub > folder within the > "Program" folder. > > When I save a WinBMD file it is either: > > Save Current Batch > or > Save Batch and Exit > > NEVER Save As.... > > Using my method any files are saved by default in a folder > called "Output" > below my WinBMD folder. > > So whenever I need to search for a file produced by WinBMD, I > will find it > in folder C:/WinBMD/Output which means it is quite accessible. > > Allan Raymond > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Archer Barrie" <Barrie.Archer@uk.fujitsu.com> > To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:17 AM > Subject: RE: Wish list for WinBMD > > > Allan, > > The problem is that it is not the default. The default is a location > that is not immediately accessible. > > Barrie > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > > Allan Raymond > > Sent: 27 January 2009 20:09 > > To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > > > > Bob > > > > A tick in the box. > > > > Exactly where my WinBMD resides, perhaps that is why I can't > > see what all > > the fuss is about anyone not being able to locate their files > > to send to > > their Coordinator. > > > > Allan Raymond > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bob Phillips" <robert.ph@ntlworld.com> > > To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:58 PM > > Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > > > > > > How about making the default installation folder > > C:\WinBMD > > instead of the standard > > C:\Program Files\WinBMD > > which should stop Windows Vista from changing the Save location. > > > > cheers > > Bob Phillips > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nowl" <owl.news@zen.co.uk> > > To: <FreeBMD-Syndicates@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:43 PM > > Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > > > > > > > Christopher Richards wrote on Tue, 27 Jan 2009: > > > > > >>I'm wondering if there is a simpler solution. An option > to "prepare > > >>file for emailing". This would save a copy on the desktop. > > From there > > >>it is easy to find it and attach it to an email whatever > > system one is > > >>using. > > > > > > Oh no, *please* don't let's encourage people to copy files to the > > > desktop! This is exactly what leads to the multiple-version > > nightmare I > > > posted about last week (see thread "Save As headaches". > > > > > > I agree with Barrie and think the core problem is the > Save Path. I'd > > > like to see WinBMD, when first run, ask the user to choose > > or create a > > > folder in which to store their work, perhaps offering to create a > > > subfolder of My Documents by default. > > > -- > > > Nowl > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1918 - Release > > Date: 1/27/2009 > > 7:26 AM > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > > of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh, I thought you had WinBMD in c:\Program Files\WinBMD and your data in c:\WinBMD! So... 1) When you install WinBMD it puts the program in c:\Program Files\WinBMD unless you specifically change it. So c:\Program Files\WinBMD is the default. 2) My understanding would be that "a separate folder on your hard drive" means just that, it does not mean it has to be directly under c:, it just means that it should not be in the same folder as SpeedBMD. As evidence I would offer 1) above. Installing WinBMD in the SpeedBMD folder would be pretty perverse but I guess the instruction is there because somebody did it. 3) I don't have Vista so I cannot test this, but I assume that the way you have it set up will *not* work under Vista in the sense that output files will still not be easily found. What Vista is trying to do is to stop different users using the same part of fileststore and it does this by virtualising any attempt to write to the program location (be that c:\Program Files\WinBMD or c:\WinBMD). I stand by my previous assertion, however, that the only sensible default (nowadays) for the output is My Documents/WinBMD. Barrie > -----Original Message----- > From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Allan Raymond > Sent: 28 January 2009 11:50 > To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > > Sorry I can't agree with with this assumption, purely from my > layman's point > of view. > > I took the instructions for installing WinBMD quite literal > and installed > the program in its own folder on the C; drive. The > instructions states > "WinBMD is a separate program from SpeedBMD and should not be > installed in > the SpeedBMD folder, but into its own folder on your hard > drive", whence I > set up a WinBMD folder on the C; drive rather than a sub > folder within the > "Program" folder. > > When I save a WinBMD file it is either: > > Save Current Batch > or > Save Batch and Exit > > NEVER Save As.... > > Using my method any files are saved by default in a folder > called "Output" > below my WinBMD folder. > > So whenever I need to search for a file produced by WinBMD, I > will find it > in folder C:/WinBMD/Output which means it is quite accessible. > > Allan Raymond > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Archer Barrie" <Barrie.Archer@uk.fujitsu.com> > To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:17 AM > Subject: RE: Wish list for WinBMD > > > Allan, > > The problem is that it is not the default. The default is a location > that is not immediately accessible. > > Barrie > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > > Allan Raymond > > Sent: 27 January 2009 20:09 > > To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > > > > Bob > > > > A tick in the box. > > > > Exactly where my WinBMD resides, perhaps that is why I can't > > see what all > > the fuss is about anyone not being able to locate their files > > to send to > > their Coordinator. > > > > Allan Raymond > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bob Phillips" <robert.ph@ntlworld.com> > > To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:58 PM > > Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > > > > > > How about making the default installation folder > > C:\WinBMD > > instead of the standard > > C:\Program Files\WinBMD > > which should stop Windows Vista from changing the Save location. > > > > cheers > > Bob Phillips > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nowl" <owl.news@zen.co.uk> > > To: <FreeBMD-Syndicates@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:43 PM > > Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > > > > > > > Christopher Richards wrote on Tue, 27 Jan 2009: > > > > > >>I'm wondering if there is a simpler solution. An option > to "prepare > > >>file for emailing". This would save a copy on the desktop. > > From there > > >>it is easy to find it and attach it to an email whatever > > system one is > > >>using. > > > > > > Oh no, *please* don't let's encourage people to copy files to the > > > desktop! This is exactly what leads to the multiple-version > > nightmare I > > > posted about last week (see thread "Save As headaches". > > > > > > I agree with Barrie and think the core problem is the > Save Path. I'd > > > like to see WinBMD, when first run, ask the user to choose > > or create a > > > folder in which to store their work, perhaps offering to create a > > > subfolder of My Documents by default. > > > -- > > > Nowl > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1918 - Release > > Date: 1/27/2009 > > 7:26 AM > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > > of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message >

Sorry I can't agree with with this assumption, purely from my layman's point of view. I took the instructions for installing WinBMD quite literal and installed the program in its own folder on the C; drive. The instructions states "WinBMD is a separate program from SpeedBMD and should not be installed in the SpeedBMD folder, but into its own folder on your hard drive", whence I set up a WinBMD folder on the C; drive rather than a sub folder within the "Program" folder. When I save a WinBMD file it is either: Save Current Batch or Save Batch and Exit NEVER Save As.... Using my method any files are saved by default in a folder called "Output" below my WinBMD folder. So whenever I need to search for a file produced by WinBMD, I will find it in folder C:/WinBMD/Output which means it is quite accessible. Allan Raymond ----- Original Message ----- From: "Archer Barrie" <Barrie.Archer@uk.fujitsu.com> To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:17 AM Subject: RE: Wish list for WinBMD Allan, The problem is that it is not the default. The default is a location that is not immediately accessible. Barrie > -----Original Message----- > From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Allan Raymond > Sent: 27 January 2009 20:09 > To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > > Bob > > A tick in the box. > > Exactly where my WinBMD resides, perhaps that is why I can't > see what all > the fuss is about anyone not being able to locate their files > to send to > their Coordinator. > > Allan Raymond > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Phillips" <robert.ph@ntlworld.com> > To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:58 PM > Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > > > How about making the default installation folder > C:\WinBMD > instead of the standard > C:\Program Files\WinBMD > which should stop Windows Vista from changing the Save location. > > cheers > Bob Phillips > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nowl" <owl.news@zen.co.uk> > To: <FreeBMD-Syndicates@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:43 PM > Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > > > > Christopher Richards wrote on Tue, 27 Jan 2009: > > > >>I'm wondering if there is a simpler solution. An option to "prepare > >>file for emailing". This would save a copy on the desktop. > From there > >>it is easy to find it and attach it to an email whatever > system one is > >>using. > > > > Oh no, *please* don't let's encourage people to copy files to the > > desktop! This is exactly what leads to the multiple-version > nightmare I > > posted about last week (see thread "Save As headaches". > > > > I agree with Barrie and think the core problem is the Save Path. I'd > > like to see WinBMD, when first run, ask the user to choose > or create a > > folder in which to store their work, perhaps offering to create a > > subfolder of My Documents by default. > > -- > > Nowl > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1918 - Release > Date: 1/27/2009 > 7:26 AM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In Vista it is called 'Documents' while in XP it is 'My Documents', which I think is also used in Windows 95 and 98. There might need to be a question asked about operating system before establishing where the default save location is, unless the software can determine automatically what operating system is in use. Alternatively, less tidily, and less easy to support, there might need to be alternative versions to download, depending on operating system. http://www.freebmd.org.uk/vol_faq.html#3b could do with amendment now to advise people to re-set the Define Save Path as soon as WinBMD is installed on Vista. I would also suggest that, after installing WinBMD on Vista, users restart their computers before using WinBMD. This seems to reduce problems, based on experience, but I don't know why. There should also be a link to http://www.freebmd.org.uk/vol_faq.html#3b on http://www.freebmd.org.uk/addons/winbmd/, along the lines of 'If you have Windows Vista, see ____ , or else the text of http://www.freebmd.org.uk/vol_faq.html#3b could be incorporated on the WinBMD download page, I suggest. There was a query about WinBMD installation at 20 January 2009 13:02 on the FreeBMD-admins list from Janet Harding, for which I have not seen a reply on the list. It is at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/FreeBMD-Admins/2009-01/1232456574 . Can anyone help, or has this been sorted by the syndicate co-ordinator concerned? Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Archer Barrie" <Barrie.Archer@uk.fujitsu.com> To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:14 AM Subject: RE: Wish list for WinBMD > That is almost as bad because it only works on single user machines. The > default should be My Documents or a sub-folder of My Documents. > > That might not be the way many people choose to work but it is the only > safe default that caters for those who barely know what a folder is. > > C:\WinBMD also assumes that the data partition is c: which is often not > the case. > > Barrie > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> Bob Phillips >> Sent: 27 January 2009 19:58 >> To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD >> >> How about making the default installation folder >> C:\WinBMD >> instead of the standard >> C:\Program Files\WinBMD >> which should stop Windows Vista from changing the Save location. >> >> cheers >> Bob Phillips >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nowl" <owl.news@zen.co.uk> >> To: <FreeBMD-Syndicates@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:43 PM >> Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD >> >> >> > Christopher Richards wrote on Tue, 27 Jan 2009: >> > >> >>I'm wondering if there is a simpler solution. An option to "prepare >> >>file for emailing". This would save a copy on the desktop. >> From there >> >>it is easy to find it and attach it to an email whatever >> system one is >> >>using. >> > >> > Oh no, *please* don't let's encourage people to copy files to the >> > desktop! This is exactly what leads to the multiple-version >> nightmare I >> > posted about last week (see thread "Save As headaches". >> > >> > I agree with Barrie and think the core problem is the Save Path. I'd >> > like to see WinBMD, when first run, ask the user to choose >> or create a >> > folder in which to store their work, perhaps offering to create a >> > subfolder of My Documents by default. >> > -- >> > Nowl >> >

2009/1/28 freebmd <freebmd@skymesh.com.au> > One of the problems for new transcribers (we've found) is that they are > often new to computers, programs, email clients & the internet too - they'd > have no idea what SMTP even means > > So when they install a new program, they just allow it to do its own thing > & > never tell it (the program) where to install - just the default > > Then with Vista in particular, they can't find it! > > When a newbie joins now, I ask them if they're using Vista & try to give > them specific instructions on where to find their files - this has saved me > hours in the long run > > So Nowl's suggestion is spot on - I'd like to see a Folder created > especially for WinBMD output (automatically) as a sub-folder off My > Documents and the user being told that this is what's happening - most > users > can find My Documents ok > > At present, if they've changed the Define Path & can't remember where it > is, > I can end up with half a dozen emails per new Trannie going back & forth! > > Not everyone would use C:\WinBMD or C:\Program Files\WinBMD - I certainly > don't > Need to do some investigation to see where common mail programs store their info. WinBMD may be able to copy config from the mail program. -- Dave Mayall

Allan, The problem is that it is not the default. The default is a location that is not immediately accessible. Barrie > -----Original Message----- > From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Allan Raymond > Sent: 27 January 2009 20:09 > To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > > Bob > > A tick in the box. > > Exactly where my WinBMD resides, perhaps that is why I can't > see what all > the fuss is about anyone not being able to locate their files > to send to > their Coordinator. > > Allan Raymond > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Phillips" <robert.ph@ntlworld.com> > To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:58 PM > Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > > > How about making the default installation folder > C:\WinBMD > instead of the standard > C:\Program Files\WinBMD > which should stop Windows Vista from changing the Save location. > > cheers > Bob Phillips > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nowl" <owl.news@zen.co.uk> > To: <FreeBMD-Syndicates@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:43 PM > Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > > > > Christopher Richards wrote on Tue, 27 Jan 2009: > > > >>I'm wondering if there is a simpler solution. An option to "prepare > >>file for emailing". This would save a copy on the desktop. > From there > >>it is easy to find it and attach it to an email whatever > system one is > >>using. > > > > Oh no, *please* don't let's encourage people to copy files to the > > desktop! This is exactly what leads to the multiple-version > nightmare I > > posted about last week (see thread "Save As headaches". > > > > I agree with Barrie and think the core problem is the Save Path. I'd > > like to see WinBMD, when first run, ask the user to choose > or create a > > folder in which to store their work, perhaps offering to create a > > subfolder of My Documents by default. > > -- > > Nowl > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1918 - Release > Date: 1/27/2009 > 7:26 AM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message >

That is almost as bad because it only works on single user machines. The default should be My Documents or a sub-folder of My Documents. That might not be the way many people choose to work but it is the only safe default that caters for those who barely know what a folder is. C:\WinBMD also assumes that the data partition is c: which is often not the case. Barrie > -----Original Message----- > From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Bob Phillips > Sent: 27 January 2009 19:58 > To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > > How about making the default installation folder > C:\WinBMD > instead of the standard > C:\Program Files\WinBMD > which should stop Windows Vista from changing the Save location. > > cheers > Bob Phillips > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nowl" <owl.news@zen.co.uk> > To: <FreeBMD-Syndicates@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:43 PM > Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > > > > Christopher Richards wrote on Tue, 27 Jan 2009: > > > >>I'm wondering if there is a simpler solution. An option to "prepare > >>file for emailing". This would save a copy on the desktop. > From there > >>it is easy to find it and attach it to an email whatever > system one is > >>using. > > > > Oh no, *please* don't let's encourage people to copy files to the > > desktop! This is exactly what leads to the multiple-version > nightmare I > > posted about last week (see thread "Save As headaches". > > > > I agree with Barrie and think the core problem is the Save Path. I'd > > like to see WinBMD, when first run, ask the user to choose > or create a > > folder in which to store their work, perhaps offering to create a > > subfolder of My Documents by default. > > -- > > Nowl > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1918 - Release > Date: 1/27/2009 > 7:26 AM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message >

Bob A tick in the box. Exactly where my WinBMD resides, perhaps that is why I can't see what all the fuss is about anyone not being able to locate their files to send to their Coordinator. Allan Raymond ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Phillips" <robert.ph@ntlworld.com> To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD How about making the default installation folder C:\WinBMD instead of the standard C:\Program Files\WinBMD which should stop Windows Vista from changing the Save location. cheers Bob Phillips ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nowl" <owl.news@zen.co.uk> To: <FreeBMD-Syndicates@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > Christopher Richards wrote on Tue, 27 Jan 2009: > >>I'm wondering if there is a simpler solution. An option to "prepare >>file for emailing". This would save a copy on the desktop. From there >>it is easy to find it and attach it to an email whatever system one is >>using. > > Oh no, *please* don't let's encourage people to copy files to the > desktop! This is exactly what leads to the multiple-version nightmare I > posted about last week (see thread "Save As headaches". > > I agree with Barrie and think the core problem is the Save Path. I'd > like to see WinBMD, when first run, ask the user to choose or create a > folder in which to store their work, perhaps offering to create a > subfolder of My Documents by default. > -- > Nowl > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1918 - Release Date: 1/27/2009 7:26 AM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How about making the default installation folder C:\WinBMD instead of the standard C:\Program Files\WinBMD which should stop Windows Vista from changing the Save location. cheers Bob Phillips ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nowl" <owl.news@zen.co.uk> To: <FreeBMD-Syndicates@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > Christopher Richards wrote on Tue, 27 Jan 2009: > >>I'm wondering if there is a simpler solution. An option to "prepare >>file for emailing". This would save a copy on the desktop. From there >>it is easy to find it and attach it to an email whatever system one is >>using. > > Oh no, *please* don't let's encourage people to copy files to the > desktop! This is exactly what leads to the multiple-version nightmare I > posted about last week (see thread "Save As headaches". > > I agree with Barrie and think the core problem is the Save Path. I'd > like to see WinBMD, when first run, ask the user to choose or create a > folder in which to store their work, perhaps offering to create a > subfolder of My Documents by default. > -- > Nowl > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1918 - Release Date: 1/27/2009 7:26 AM

Christopher Richards wrote on Tue, 27 Jan 2009: >I'm wondering if there is a simpler solution. An option to "prepare >file for emailing". This would save a copy on the desktop. From there >it is easy to find it and attach it to an email whatever system one is >using. Oh no, *please* don't let's encourage people to copy files to the desktop! This is exactly what leads to the multiple-version nightmare I posted about last week (see thread "Save As headaches". I agree with Barrie and think the core problem is the Save Path. I'd like to see WinBMD, when first run, ask the user to choose or create a folder in which to store their work, perhaps offering to create a subfolder of My Documents by default. -- Nowl

I think the fundamental issue is where WinBMD, by default, stores user files. Keeping user files in "Program Files" is deprecated because it only works for single user machines and, with Vista, it is not allowed. The standard default is "My Documents" or a subfolder thereof (e.g. My Documents/WinBMD). However, fixing this only helps for new users. A new version of WinBMD could offer, during installation, to move the user's files to My Documents and/or provide the 'prepare file for sending by email' facility. I suspect, though, that in the context of the immediate new version of WinBMD only the latter facility could be achieved. Barrie > -----Original Message----- > From: freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:freebmd-syndicates-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Jeff Coleman > Sent: 27 January 2009 09:13 > To: freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Wish list for WinBMD > > The problem for some new users is that they have difficulty > finding where > their file has been saved, especially if using Vista. > > A single-key option, or an option in a menu such as the File > menu which > opens the opens the folder that is defined in 'Define Save > Path' could be > useful, > possibly if it also opened a window suggesting that to attach > a file to an > email you select (highlight) the file, right-mouse-click on > it and 'send > file to' 'email recipient'. > > Then again, some transcribers have difficulty remembering how > they did it > last time, when they come to doing the same thing again a few > days later. > > Chris's suggestion of 'prepare file for sending by email' > may be even > better, if it is possible. > > Jeff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allan Raymond" <allan_raymond@btinternet.com> > To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 12:46 AM > Subject: re: Wish list for WinBMD > > > > Vista is no different to earlier system vintage. > > > > You prepare the email in the normal way, click on "attach > file to Message" > > which brings up the browse menu select the file from the > the Output Folder > > of WinBMD (I use the default Output folder for saving > WinBMD files) and > > click send. > > > > Allan Raymond > > > > > > > > > > From: Christopher Richards < cmr1chards@blueyonder.co.uk> > > Subject: Wish list for WinBMD > > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 08:07:51 +0000 > > Another improvement for the next version of WinBMD would be > the option > > to email a completed file. > > > > I find that new transcribers often have difficulty in sending their > > first transcription to me for checking: I think this is > more difficult > > in Vista. But I don't use Vista myself and so don't have first hand > > experience of where it differs from XP. > > > > An extra option on the file menu would make this easier. > > > > Do we know if Ian is still working on the next version. I > haven't seen > > any postings by him for some months. > > > > Christopher Richards > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-SYNDICATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message >

The problem for some new users is that they have difficulty finding where their file has been saved, especially if using Vista. A single-key option, or an option in a menu such as the File menu which opens the opens the folder that is defined in 'Define Save Path' could be useful, possibly if it also opened a window suggesting that to attach a file to an email you select (highlight) the file, right-mouse-click on it and 'send file to' 'email recipient'. Then again, some transcribers have difficulty remembering how they did it last time, when they come to doing the same thing again a few days later. Chris's suggestion of 'prepare file for sending by email' may be even better, if it is possible. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Raymond" <allan_raymond@btinternet.com> To: <freebmd-syndicates@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 12:46 AM Subject: re: Wish list for WinBMD > Vista is no different to earlier system vintage. > > You prepare the email in the normal way, click on "attach file to Message" > which brings up the browse menu select the file from the the Output Folder > of WinBMD (I use the default Output folder for saving WinBMD files) and > click send. > > Allan Raymond > > > > > From: Christopher Richards < cmr1chards@blueyonder.co.uk> > Subject: Wish list for WinBMD > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 08:07:51 +0000 > Another improvement for the next version of WinBMD would be the option > to email a completed file. > > I find that new transcribers often have difficulty in sending their > first transcription to me for checking: I think this is more difficult > in Vista. But I don't use Vista myself and so don't have first hand > experience of where it differs from XP. > > An extra option on the file menu would make this easier. > > Do we know if Ian is still working on the next version. I haven't seen > any postings by him for some months. > > Christopher Richards