Hello, What, exactly, is the format of this #Theory record? Also, if I see what I believe to be a suspect entry in someone else's transcription can I enter a #Theory record for that even though I may not know the exact page number? Here's an example: Surname entered is "BROCE," but both logically and alphabetically I believe it ought to be "BROCK". I didn't enter the original. Can I enter a #Theory? Rick Elliott

> I tend to agree with Ian - is there some reason why a > transcriber *and* his > or her coordinator can't jointly own data? I am sure Dave M > will correct us > if Ian and I have missed the point, but I wouldn't have a > problem with my > coordinator altering my uploaded files (if he had the time) - > as I see it, it > cuts down the number of people to blame (and I use the word 'blame' > advisedly) when an individual record is wrong! It would also > cut the amount > of time we spend chasing AWOL volunteers. .... > Virginia I have been thinking for a while that a facility like this would be useful. The question of who "owns" the data is a bit philosophical. The files are currently stored in a way that is related to the user id and in that sense the *computer* ownership is with the user id. As such it is relatively easy (in a programming sense) to limit access to that user id. To allow access to selected other user ids (presumably a user who is marked as a co-ordinator for the syndicate that the user belongs to - IYSWIM) would be possible but would take a little thought and effort. I believe it would be important to maintain an audit log for such activities. This would allow us to find out who modified a file and when. This not so much for the usual security reason (finding someone to blame - I am a bit of a security cynic!) but just so we don't have to rely on grey cells when a user asks why one of their files has changed! I think someone should raise a task. Someone who would be prepared to test the facility! Barrie

That is great - it has really worried me on those occasions - rare I will say - when I was entering something that would not help anyone find the right person and there was no way of ensuring that it was at least looked at but this idea is brilliant. Hats Off to you all Anne Brick "If you insert a line in your upload file that starts #THEORY and explain what you think, we will pick it up :-) -- Dave Mayall"

Hi Vince, Vince Gledhill wrote: > > The message hasn't appeared on the list for some reason. I hit a reply > all... button... Strange.... It didn't appear cos it had you down as a non subscriber .. This one is as a subscriber... See my response to your email I posted about an hour ago Cheers Graham > Here is the question again.... let's see if it gets to the list this time... > > Hi Sheelagh and List. > > Thanks for that.... now another question.... why can I not find myself ? > > I am registered as Gledhill_Vince and my > E-mail address within the system is [email protected] > > Regards > Vince Gledhill > [email protected] > www.left-handed.com > for all manner of lefty products > > >>Hi Vince, go to transcribers pages, then current database status and > > > scroll > > > > down until you find your user name, or follow this link and it will > take > > > you > > > > straight there http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/db-latest.html > > > > Regards > > > > Sheelagh > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Vince Gledhill" <[email protected]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:13 AM > > > > Subject: Re: File Owning > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will I find the list of names, > > > > > > > > > > I've found it once before by accident but have looked for it > recently > > > and > > > > > cannot find it. I'm a new transcriber myself and have uploaded 4 > > pages. > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to see if I was on there. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Vince Gledhill > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Mary Trevan" <[email protected]> > > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 7:14 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: File Owning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification about a neutral ID owning the files > > > rather > > > > > than > > > > > > yourself, but I think I'm correct in saying this could still > result > > in > > > > an > > > > > > active transcriber appearing on the list with '0 entries' against > > > their > > > > > > name. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: John Pain <[email protected]> > > > > > > To: [email protected] > <[email protected]> > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, 03 October, 2001 11:33 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: File Owning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your wrote:- > > > > > > >>2 - one for my transcriptions (10000+ where my coordinator > > controls > > > > the > > > > > > >>edits, although he would prefer it if I was one of the 0 entries > > > > people > > > > > > >>since all my transcriptions would appear under his name) > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Not True - The transcriptions would appear in a neutral ID ( I > set > > up > > > > > M1871 > > > > > > >for 1871 Marriages) with me as the contact for problems. The > > > > > transcriptions > > > > > > >would be credited to M1871 in the list of transcribers and not > > > > John_Pain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > >John > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Researching - Hykin (Anywhere) > > > > > > >Pai(y)n(e) from Kent 1800's > > > > > > >Conde Salop. Anytime > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >From: Mary Trevan <[email protected]> > > > > > > >To: <[email protected]> > > > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:20 PM > > > > > > >Subject: Re: File Owning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >Our most immediate attention will be given to the removal of > > > > > volunteers > > > > > > >who > > > > > > >> have > > > > > > >> >registered on the system 2 or more times (the record is > > currently > > > a > > > > > > >> volunteer with > > > > > > >> >6 SubmitterIDs). > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> I have 3 accounts of which 2 are active:- > > > > > > >> 1 - one a typo with an incorrect email address, so I don't know > > how > > > > you > > > > > > >> would contact me > > > > > > >> 2 - one for my transcriptions (10000+ where my coordinator > > controls > > > > the > > > > > > >> edits, although he would prefer it if I was one of the 0 > entries > > > > people > > > > > > >> since all my transcriptions would appear under his name) > > > > > > >> 3 - and another for my one-name study entries (10000+ where I > > > contol > > > > > the > > > > > > >> edits). > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> So if my understanding is correct, not all '0 entries' > correspond > > > to > > > > > > >people > > > > > > >> who have not done any transcriptions. In some case the '0 > > entries' > > > > will > > > > > > be > > > > > > >a > > > > > > >> static situation where the transcriber sends their > transcriptions > > > by > > > > > > email > > > > > > >> to their coordinator, and sometimes it is a dynamic situation, > > > since > > > > > they > > > > > > >> will go above '0 entries' as they upload the files themselves > and > > > > then > > > > > go > > > > > > >> back down to '0 entries' as their files are uploaded by the > > > > coordinator > > > > > > >> under a different ID and then deleted by the coordinator from > the > > > > > > >> transcriber's account, by the coordinator using the transcriber > > > > > password. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Regards > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Mary Trevan > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >> >From: "Sheelagh Hawkins" <[email protected]> > > > > > > >> >To: <[email protected]> > > > > > > >> >Sent: 03 October 2001 19:00 > > > > > > >> >Subject: Re: File Owning > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> >Dave et al, > > > > > > >> >While we are on the subject of transcribers who are no longer > > > active > > > > > can > > > > > > >I > > > > > > >> >ask what the position is with the number of people who > > subscribed > > > > but > > > > > > >have > > > > > > >> >never actually transcribed anything. When I look at the status > > > list, > > > > > > >there > > > > > > >> >are several hundred (a guess - I gave up at 120 and I was > still > > on > > > > > names > > > > > > >> >beginning with A!) people who have never submitted a thing. I > > > > > understand > > > > > > >> >that some people help out in other ways so don't have time to > do > > > the > > > > > > >manual > > > > > > >> >graft, but surely not that many. > > > > > > >> >Should these people be contacted to see if they intend to > become > > > > > active, > > > > > > >or > > > > > > >> >if they perhaps need help to get started. > > > > > > >> >I realise that perhaps this is probably considered a minor > > problem > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > >> >list of things to do - I am happy to volunteer to contact them > > if > > > it > > > > > is > > > > > > >> just > > > > > > >> >a case of waiting for someone to do it. Then I could pass > those > > > who > > > > > need > > > > > > >> >advice on to Virginia ;-) (I said she might live to regret > > saying > > > > she > > > > > > >would > > > > > > >> >handle all the newbies I could send her way) > > > > > > >> >Regards > > > > > > >> >Sheelagh > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> >============================== > > > > > > >> >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & > > > > Celebrate > > > > > > >> >your heritage! > > > > > > >> >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> >============================== > > > > > > >> >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & > > > > Celebrate > > > > > > >> >your heritage! > > > > > > >> >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> ============================== > > > > > > >> Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to > > the > > > #1 > > > > > > >> Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > > > > > >> > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >============================== > > > > > > >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > > > > > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > > #1 > > > > > > Source for Family History Online. 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On Thu, 04 Oct 2001 21:20:10 +0100, you wrote: >I'm relieved to see that FreeBMD keeps copies of files that are deleted, >but what is done with them? Certainly when I started transcribing the >emphasis was on the data *belonging* to me and that I could remove it if >and when I wanted. I understand Dave's argument about the transcriber >having access to files to edit or update data. However I think many >people feel that once the data is uploaded it should be retained by >FreeBMD. The bottom line is that for so long as someone remains a transcriber, they retain responsibility for their files. Once they leave, the files belong to the project and we will assign them to somebody else to look after. >Do we really want someone who has contributed 20,000 entries to be able >to take them away because of a dispute on the list and for FreeBMD then >to have to retranscribe the data? Or do we want Dave and others to >recover the data from the deleted files bank? I know which I prefer. > >Furthermore, when the project gets to the point where uncertain data is >identified and checked manually I would like to see the verification >process able to correct the uploaded files rather than to add data as >being 'definitive' I realise that the latter is easier to perform, but >future searchers will ideally want one entry to come up in a search >rather than one (or more) uncertain entries and one definitive one. I fear that I haven't really explained fully. Firstly, in discussing this, people *really* need to forget what is in files. Files are not what are searched, the database is searched and we build the database from the files in such a way as to make fiddling with the original files unnecessary. Our corrections will be of 2 types; CORRECTION - A checker has decided that the original transcription is in error. The checker's transcription will be displayed in favour of the transcriber's. The original transcription will be hidden from the public view (but we will be able to see what we corrected) THEORY - The transcription is correct, but we think the index is wrong (we of course could be mistaken). These records will be found whether searching for the original index term or the correction, and will be displayed something like; SMITH Joseph London C 1c 123 {Record amended by FreeBMD from original SMITH Soseph London C 1c 123} -- Dave Mayall

The message hasn't appeared on the list for some reason. I hit a reply all... button... Strange.... Here is the question again.... let's see if it gets to the list this time... Hi Sheelagh and List. Thanks for that.... now another question.... why can I not find myself ? I am registered as Gledhill_Vince and my E-mail address within the system is [email protected] Regards Vince Gledhill [email protected] www.left-handed.com for all manner of lefty products >>Hi Vince, go to transcribers pages, then current database status and > > scroll > > > down until you find your user name, or follow this link and it will take > > you > > > straight there http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/db-latest.html > > > Regards > > > Sheelagh > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Vince Gledhill" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:13 AM > > > Subject: Re: File Owning > > > > > > > > > > Where will I find the list of names, > > > > > > > > I've found it once before by accident but have looked for it recently > > and > > > > cannot find it. I'm a new transcriber myself and have uploaded 4 > pages. > > > > > > > > I just wanted to see if I was on there. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Vince Gledhill > > > > [email protected] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Mary Trevan" <[email protected]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 7:14 AM > > > > Subject: Re: File Owning > > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification about a neutral ID owning the files > > rather > > > > than > > > > > yourself, but I think I'm correct in saying this could still result > in > > > an > > > > > active transcriber appearing on the list with '0 entries' against > > their > > > > > name. > > > > > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: John Pain <[email protected]> > > > > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > > > > Date: Wednesday, 03 October, 2001 11:33 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: File Owning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Mary > > > > > > > > > > > >Your wrote:- > > > > > >>2 - one for my transcriptions (10000+ where my coordinator > controls > > > the > > > > > >>edits, although he would prefer it if I was one of the 0 entries > > > people > > > > > >>since all my transcriptions would appear under his name) > > > > > > > > > > > >Not True - The transcriptions would appear in a neutral ID ( I set > up > > > > M1871 > > > > > >for 1871 Marriages) with me as the contact for problems. The > > > > transcriptions > > > > > >would be credited to M1871 in the list of transcribers and not > > > John_Pain. > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards > > > > > > > > > > > >John > > > > > > > > > > > >Researching - Hykin (Anywhere) > > > > > >Pai(y)n(e) from Kent 1800's > > > > > >Conde Salop. Anytime > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: Mary Trevan <[email protected]> > > > > > >To: <[email protected]> > > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:20 PM > > > > > >Subject: Re: File Owning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Our most immediate attention will be given to the removal of > > > > volunteers > > > > > >who > > > > > >> have > > > > > >> >registered on the system 2 or more times (the record is > currently > > a > > > > > >> volunteer with > > > > > >> >6 SubmitterIDs). > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I have 3 accounts of which 2 are active:- > > > > > >> 1 - one a typo with an incorrect email address, so I don't know > how > > > you > > > > > >> would contact me > > > > > >> 2 - one for my transcriptions (10000+ where my coordinator > controls > > > the > > > > > >> edits, although he would prefer it if I was one of the 0 entries > > > people > > > > > >> since all my transcriptions would appear under his name) > > > > > >> 3 - and another for my one-name study entries (10000+ where I > > contol > > > > the > > > > > >> edits). > > > > > >> > > > > > >> So if my understanding is correct, not all '0 entries' correspond > > to > > > > > >people > > > > > >> who have not done any transcriptions. In some case the '0 > entries' > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > >a > > > > > >> static situation where the transcriber sends their transcriptions > > by > > > > > email > > > > > >> to their coordinator, and sometimes it is a dynamic situation, > > since > > > > they > > > > > >> will go above '0 entries' as they upload the files themselves and > > > then > > > > go > > > > > >> back down to '0 entries' as their files are uploaded by the > > > coordinator > > > > > >> under a different ID and then deleted by the coordinator from the > > > > > >> transcriber's account, by the coordinator using the transcriber > > > > password. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Regards > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Mary Trevan > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >> >From: "Sheelagh Hawkins" <[email protected]> > > > > > >> >To: <[email protected]> > > > > > >> >Sent: 03 October 2001 19:00 > > > > > >> >Subject: Re: File Owning > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >Dave et al, > > > > > >> >While we are on the subject of transcribers who are no longer > > active > > > > can > > > > > >I > > > > > >> >ask what the position is with the number of people who > subscribed > > > but > > > > > >have > > > > > >> >never actually transcribed anything. When I look at the status > > list, > > > > > >there > > > > > >> >are several hundred (a guess - I gave up at 120 and I was still > on > > > > names > > > > > >> >beginning with A!) people who have never submitted a thing. I > > > > understand > > > > > >> >that some people help out in other ways so don't have time to do > > the > > > > > >manual > > > > > >> >graft, but surely not that many. > > > > > >> >Should these people be contacted to see if they intend to become > > > > active, > > > > > >or > > > > > >> >if they perhaps need help to get started. > > > > > >> >I realise that perhaps this is probably considered a minor > problem > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > >> >list of things to do - I am happy to volunteer to contact them > if > > it > > > > is > > > > > >> just > > > > > >> >a case of waiting for someone to do it. Then I could pass those > > who > > > > need > > > > > >> >advice on to Virginia ;-) (I said she might live to regret > saying > > > she > > > > > >would > > > > > >> >handle all the newbies I could send her way) > > > > > >> >Regards > > > > > >> >Sheelagh > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >============================== > > > > > >> >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & > > > Celebrate > > > > > >> >your heritage! > > > > > >> >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >============================== > > > > > >> >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & > > > Celebrate > > > > > >> >your heritage! > > > > > >> >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ============================== > > > > > >> Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to > the > > #1 > > > > > >> Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > > > > >> > > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >============================== > > > > > >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > > > > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > #1 > > > > > Source for Family History Online. 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Hi Vince, Those charts and reports are updated as part of the database rebuild process. The last one that was doen completed at the beginning of September and there is another unerway at the moment. As you registered towards the end of September you will not appear on the current charts. Your name should appear on the new charts at the end of this build. However, the files in your area appear tohave been uploaded on the 1st and 2nd of October (last Monday and Tuesday) and I am pretty sure that they will have missed this database rebuild. So, you can expect to see your name but with 0 entries this time around and your files will be incorporated into the next build. Hope that explains it Cheers Graham Vince Gledhill wrote: > > Hi Sheelagh and List. > > Thanks for that.... now another question.... why can I not find myself ? I > am registered as Gledhill_Vince and my > E-mail address within the system is [email protected] > > Regards > Vince Gledhill > [email protected] > www.left-handed.com > for all manner of lefty products > > > Hi Vince, go to transcribers pages, then current database status and > scroll > > down until you find your user name, or follow this link and it will take > you > > straight there http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/db-latest.html > > Regards > > Sheelagh > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Vince Gledhill" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:13 AM > > Subject: Re: File Owning > > > > > > > Where will I find the list of names, > > > > > > I've found it once before by accident but have looked for it recently > and > > > cannot find it. I'm a new transcriber myself and have uploaded 4 pages. > > > > > > I just wanted to see if I was on there. > > > > > > Regards > > > Vince Gledhill > > > [email protected] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Mary Trevan" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 7:14 AM > > > Subject: Re: File Owning > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification about a neutral ID owning the files > rather > > > than > > > > yourself, but I think I'm correct in saying this could still result in > > an > > > > active transcriber appearing on the list with '0 entries' against > their > > > > name. > > > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: John Pain <[email protected]> > > > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > > > Date: Wednesday, 03 October, 2001 11:33 PM > > > > Subject: Re: File Owning > > > > > > > > > > > > >Mary > > > > > > > > > >Your wrote:- > > > > >>2 - one for my transcriptions (10000+ where my coordinator controls > > the > > > > >>edits, although he would prefer it if I was one of the 0 entries > > people > > > > >>since all my transcriptions would appear under his name) > > > > > > > > > >Not True - The transcriptions would appear in a neutral ID ( I set up > > > M1871 > > > > >for 1871 Marriages) with me as the contact for problems. The > > > transcriptions > > > > >would be credited to M1871 in the list of transcribers and not > > John_Pain. > > > > > > > > > >Regards > > > > > > > > > >John > > > > > > > > > >Researching - Hykin (Anywhere) > > > > >Pai(y)n(e) from Kent 1800's > > > > >Conde Salop. Anytime > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: Mary Trevan <[email protected]> > > > > >To: <[email protected]> > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:20 PM > > > > >Subject: Re: File Owning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> >Our most immediate attention will be given to the removal of > > > volunteers > > > > >who > > > > >> have > > > > >> >registered on the system 2 or more times (the record is currently > a > > > > >> volunteer with > > > > >> >6 SubmitterIDs). > > > > >> > > > > >> I have 3 accounts of which 2 are active:- > > > > >> 1 - one a typo with an incorrect email address, so I don't know how > > you > > > > >> would contact me > > > > >> 2 - one for my transcriptions (10000+ where my coordinator controls > > the > > > > >> edits, although he would prefer it if I was one of the 0 entries > > people > > > > >> since all my transcriptions would appear under his name) > > > > >> 3 - and another for my one-name study entries (10000+ where I > contol > > > the > > > > >> edits). > > > > >> > > > > >> So if my understanding is correct, not all '0 entries' correspond > to > > > > >people > > > > >> who have not done any transcriptions. In some case the '0 entries' > > will > > > > be > > > > >a > > > > >> static situation where the transcriber sends their transcriptions > by > > > > email > > > > >> to their coordinator, and sometimes it is a dynamic situation, > since > > > they > > > > >> will go above '0 entries' as they upload the files themselves and > > then > > > go > > > > >> back down to '0 entries' as their files are uploaded by the > > coordinator > > > > >> under a different ID and then deleted by the coordinator from the > > > > >> transcriber's account, by the coordinator using the transcriber > > > password. > > > > >> > > > > >> Regards > > > > >> > > > > >> Mary Trevan > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> >From: "Sheelagh Hawkins" <[email protected]> > > > > >> >To: <[email protected]> > > > > >> >Sent: 03 October 2001 19:00 > > > > >> >Subject: Re: File Owning > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Dave et al, > > > > >> >While we are on the subject of transcribers who are no longer > active > > > can > > > > >I > > > > >> >ask what the position is with the number of people who subscribed > > but > > > > >have > > > > >> >never actually transcribed anything. When I look at the status > list, > > > > >there > > > > >> >are several hundred (a guess - I gave up at 120 and I was still on > > > names > > > > >> >beginning with A!) people who have never submitted a thing. I > > > understand > > > > >> >that some people help out in other ways so don't have time to do > the > > > > >manual > > > > >> >graft, but surely not that many. > > > > >> >Should these people be contacted to see if they intend to become > > > active, > > > > >or > > > > >> >if they perhaps need help to get started. > > > > >> >I realise that perhaps this is probably considered a minor problem > > on > > > > the > > > > >> >list of things to do - I am happy to volunteer to contact them if > it > > > is > > > > >> just > > > > >> >a case of waiting for someone to do it. Then I could pass those > who > > > need > > > > >> >advice on to Virginia ;-) (I said she might live to regret saying > > she > > > > >would > > > > >> >handle all the newbies I could send her way) > > > > >> >Regards > > > > >> >Sheelagh > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >============================== > > > > >> >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & > > Celebrate > > > > >> >your heritage! > > > > >> >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >============================== > > > > >> >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & > > Celebrate > > > > >> >your heritage! > > > > >> >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> ============================== > > > > >> Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > #1 > > > > >> Source for Family History Online. 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Hmmm why isn't somebody clever answering this one? Sorry Vince I can't help you with this, but I'm sure there must be someone else who can .....??? Sheelagh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vince Gledhill" <[email protected]> To: "Sheelagh Hawkins" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:28 AM Subject: Re: File Owning > > Hi Sheelagh and List. > > Thanks for that.... now another question.... why can I not find myself ? I > am registered as Gledhill_Vince and my > E-mail address within the system is [email protected] > > Regards > Vince Gledhill > [email protected] > www.left-handed.com > for all manner of lefty products > > > Hi Vince, go to transcribers pages, then current database status and > scroll > > down until you find your user name, or follow this link and it will take > you > > straight there http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/db-latest.html > > Regards > > Sheelagh > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Vince Gledhill" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:13 AM > > Subject: Re: File Owning > > > > > > > Where will I find the list of names, > > > > > > I've found it once before by accident but have looked for it recently > and > > > cannot find it. I'm a new transcriber myself and have uploaded 4 pages. > > > > > > I just wanted to see if I was on there. > > > > > > Regards > > > Vince Gledhill > > > [email protected] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Mary Trevan" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 7:14 AM > > > Subject: Re: File Owning > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification about a neutral ID owning the files > rather > > > than > > > > yourself, but I think I'm correct in saying this could still result in > > an > > > > active transcriber appearing on the list with '0 entries' against > their > > > > name. > > > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: John Pain <[email protected]> > > > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > > > Date: Wednesday, 03 October, 2001 11:33 PM > > > > Subject: Re: File Owning > > > > > > > > > > > > >Mary > > > > > > > > > >Your wrote:- > > > > >>2 - one for my transcriptions (10000+ where my coordinator controls > > the > > > > >>edits, although he would prefer it if I was one of the 0 entries > > people > > > > >>since all my transcriptions would appear under his name) > > > > > > > > > >Not True - The transcriptions would appear in a neutral ID ( I set up > > > M1871 > > > > >for 1871 Marriages) with me as the contact for problems. The > > > transcriptions > > > > >would be credited to M1871 in the list of transcribers and not > > John_Pain. > > > > > > > > > >Regards > > > > > > > > > >John > > > > > > > > > >Researching - Hykin (Anywhere) > > > > >Pai(y)n(e) from Kent 1800's > > > > >Conde Salop. Anytime > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: Mary Trevan <[email protected]> > > > > >To: <[email protected]> > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:20 PM > > > > >Subject: Re: File Owning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> >Our most immediate attention will be given to the removal of > > > volunteers > > > > >who > > > > >> have > > > > >> >registered on the system 2 or more times (the record is currently > a > > > > >> volunteer with > > > > >> >6 SubmitterIDs). > > > > >> > > > > >> I have 3 accounts of which 2 are active:- > > > > >> 1 - one a typo with an incorrect email address, so I don't know how > > you > > > > >> would contact me > > > > >> 2 - one for my transcriptions (10000+ where my coordinator controls > > the > > > > >> edits, although he would prefer it if I was one of the 0 entries > > people > > > > >> since all my transcriptions would appear under his name) > > > > >> 3 - and another for my one-name study entries (10000+ where I > contol > > > the > > > > >> edits). > > > > >> > > > > >> So if my understanding is correct, not all '0 entries' correspond > to > > > > >people > > > > >> who have not done any transcriptions. In some case the '0 entries' > > will > > > > be > > > > >a > > > > >> static situation where the transcriber sends their transcriptions > by > > > > email > > > > >> to their coordinator, and sometimes it is a dynamic situation, > since > > > they > > > > >> will go above '0 entries' as they upload the files themselves and > > then > > > go > > > > >> back down to '0 entries' as their files are uploaded by the > > coordinator > > > > >> under a different ID and then deleted by the coordinator from the > > > > >> transcriber's account, by the coordinator using the transcriber > > > password. > > > > >> > > > > >> Regards > > > > >> > > > > >> Mary Trevan > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> >From: "Sheelagh Hawkins" <[email protected]> > > > > >> >To: <[email protected]> > > > > >> >Sent: 03 October 2001 19:00 > > > > >> >Subject: Re: File Owning > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Dave et al, > > > > >> >While we are on the subject of transcribers who are no longer > active > > > can > > > > >I > > > > >> >ask what the position is with the number of people who subscribed > > but > > > > >have > > > > >> >never actually transcribed anything. When I look at the status > list, > > > > >there > > > > >> >are several hundred (a guess - I gave up at 120 and I was still on > > > names > > > > >> >beginning with A!) people who have never submitted a thing. I > > > understand > > > > >> >that some people help out in other ways so don't have time to do > the > > > > >manual > > > > >> >graft, but surely not that many. > > > > >> >Should these people be contacted to see if they intend to become > > > active, > > > > >or > > > > >> >if they perhaps need help to get started. > > > > >> >I realise that perhaps this is probably considered a minor problem > > on > > > > the > > > > >> >list of things to do - I am happy to volunteer to contact them if > it > > > is > > > > >> just > > > > >> >a case of waiting for someone to do it. Then I could pass those > who > > > need > > > > >> >advice on to Virginia ;-) (I said she might live to regret saying > > she > > > > >would > > > > >> >handle all the newbies I could send her way) > > > > >> >Regards > > > > >> >Sheelagh > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >============================== > > > > >> >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & > > Celebrate > > > > >> >your heritage! > > > > >> >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >============================== > > > > >> >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & > > Celebrate > > > > >> >your heritage! > > > > >> >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> ============================== > > > > >> Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the > #1 > > > > >> Source for Family History Online. 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Hi Barrie & All, One task on it's way! Personally (and I suspect this applies to most/all) I have no wish or intention to change files "belonging" to active transcribers but only to those who have gone awol but I do see the need (I think) for such auditing. There is one case that I am unsure about - those people that belong to more than one syndicate? Cheers Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Archer Barrie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 2:48 AM Subject: RE: Syndicate leaders owning data > > I tend to agree with Ian - is there some reason why a > > transcriber *and* his > > or her coordinator can't jointly own data? I am sure Dave M > > will correct us > > if Ian and I have missed the point, but I wouldn't have a > > problem with my > > coordinator altering my uploaded files (if he had the time) - > > as I see it, it > > cuts down the number of people to blame (and I use the word 'blame' > > advisedly) when an individual record is wrong! It would also > > cut the amount > > of time we spend chasing AWOL volunteers. > .... > > Virginia > > I have been thinking for a while that a facility like this would be useful. > > The question of who "owns" the data is a bit philosophical. The files are > currently stored in a way that is related to the user id and in that sense > the *computer* ownership is with the user id. As such it is relatively easy > (in a programming sense) to limit access to that user id. > > To allow access to selected other user ids (presumably a user who is marked > as a co-ordinator for the syndicate that the user belongs to - IYSWIM) would > be possible but would take a little thought and effort. > > I believe it would be important to maintain an audit log for such > activities. This would allow us to find out who modified a file and when. > This not so much for the usual security reason (finding someone to blame - I > am a bit of a security cynic!) but just so we don't have to rely on grey > cells when a user asks why one of their files has changed! > > I think someone should raise a task. Someone who would be prepared to test > the facility! > > Barrie > > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > >

I'm relieved to see that FreeBMD keeps copies of files that are deleted, but what is done with them? Certainly when I started transcribing the emphasis was on the data *belonging* to me and that I could remove it if and when I wanted. I understand Dave's argument about the transcriber having access to files to edit or update data. However I think many people feel that once the data is uploaded it should be retained by FreeBMD. Do we really want someone who has contributed 20,000 entries to be able to take them away because of a dispute on the list and for FreeBMD then to have to retranscribe the data? Or do we want Dave and others to recover the data from the deleted files bank? I know which I prefer. Furthermore, when the project gets to the point where uncertain data is identified and checked manually I would like to see the verification process able to correct the uploaded files rather than to add data as being 'definitive' I realise that the latter is easier to perform, but future searchers will ideally want one entry to come up in a search rather than one (or more) uncertain entries and one definitive one. Comments? Peter Hendy-Ibbs smithpock wrote: >> >> I agree wholeheartedly. It would also prevent any disenchanted transcribers taking their files away along with their bats! Dave Mayall replied: >And how would they do that? >Although it might appear that a transcriber can remove all their files in a fit of pique, assuming that this is the case without knowing exactly how the system works can lead you to a false conclusion. -- Researching: IBBS from Hunts/Beds and HENDY from Pembrokeshire Transcribing and reformatting for FreeBMD (http://freebmd.rootsweb.com)

On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:05:02 +0100, you wrote: >In message <[email protected]>, Dave Mayall ><[email protected]> writes >>Philip Powell wrote: >>> >>> I've had a good look round the site to see if there is an answer >>> available but with no success. >>> >>> Is there a mechanism in place to report obvious[0] errors on the >>> original scans? >[snip] > >>At present, there isn't a mechanism. We are developing such a mechanism to >>cater for corrections to the index, whilst still remaining true to the index. >> >>In essence, the record will be transcribed "as is", and a separate record >>will be submitted to record our THEORY about the record. Both will be >>presented in the search results. > >So it would be a good idea for transcribers to keep a record of those >errors until such time as the mechanism is in place? If you insert a line in your upload file that starts #THEORY and explain what you think, we will pick it up :-) -- Dave Mayall

Mary Trevan's posting opened up an interesting issue, and I'm pleased that Virginia, Allan and others are addressing the question of the dormant IDs. She mentioned that some IDs may appear dorman because their transcriptions have been edited and uploaded by the co-ordinator. But it may not be as simple as that either. Peter Abbott and I receive a large number of personal files in all sorts of formats which we then process and upload. Most of these contributors are not FreeBMD transcribers. Although the data are always credited to the contributors the files are uploaded by us through our IDs. The reasons are twofold. Firstly, however thorough we may be many files are rejected first or second time around as errors are detected, and so they are better uploaded by us in our time. Second, and more important, is that the contributors want to share their endeavours with the genealogy community but may not want to take part in the formal transcription. This way when their entries are identified by the contributor's name and email address without them having to go through the process of learning about formats or downloading software. In the last six months I have dealt with 90 contributors in this way and Peter A has probably handled the same or more. Most of these would be considered 'dormant', but are very pleased that they have contributed their data to this project. Peter Hendy-Ibbs -- Researching: IBBS from Hunts/Beds and HENDY from Pembrokeshire Transcribing and reformatting for FreeBMD (http://freebmd.rootsweb.com)

In message <[email protected]>, Dave Mayall <[email protected]> writes >Philip Powell wrote: >> >> I've had a good look round the site to see if there is an answer >> available but with no success. >> >> Is there a mechanism in place to report obvious[0] errors on the >> original scans? [snip] >At present, there isn't a mechanism. We are developing such a mechanism to >cater for corrections to the index, whilst still remaining true to the index. > >In essence, the record will be transcribed "as is", and a separate record >will be submitted to record our THEORY about the record. Both will be >presented in the search results. So it would be a good idea for transcribers to keep a record of those errors until such time as the mechanism is in place? -- Philip Powell

Dear All Ian Brooke wrote: Personally I would like to see a facility whereby syndicate coordinators 'own' data uploaded by their syndicate and can access it as though it were theirs - this would certainly solve the problem that I am currently experiencing. I tend to agree with Ian - is there some reason why a transcriber *and* his or her coordinator can't jointly own data? I am sure Dave M will correct us if Ian and I have missed the point, but I wouldn't have a problem with my coordinator altering my uploaded files (if he had the time) - as I see it, it cuts down the number of people to blame (and I use the word 'blame' advisedly) when an individual record is wrong! It would also cut the amount of time we spend chasing AWOL volunteers. That comes from somebody who intends to be around to see this thing completed - other people lose interest or have life events which remove them from FreeBMD without choice. Plus, full scale quality control will kick in soon - that will be more people legitimately altering 'my' transcriptions. I don't have difficulty with that - have you seen the quality of the fiche I am transcribing from and estimated the number of unintentional errors? All hands on deck seems the way forward :-) Best Wishes Virginia

Dear All I have resisted this discussion so far because I only read Ian's initial message (many hours late) after being at work yesterday night. I totally understand the frustration of locating AWOL volunteers but I have been persuaded by Dave M's recent arguments. However, it scares me silly that one day, I might fall out with the FreeBMD management (yes, I know, a *very* funny idea) and remove my files - just because I can. I could do this over and over (after each update) if I felt so inclined (and angry) - would there be a point where my access to 'my' files would be prevented? Best Wishes Virginia

Hi All, Many thanks for your comments Dave - I've interspersed a few comments. Regards Ian >The idea of file ownership does bring advantages! >1) You can load a page with some unreadable stuff, then replace it later once you have had chance to look at entries again. >2) When a query comes in, it is quite likely that somebody central will not have a copy of the fiche to check the transcription. >3) Splitting the files out by transcriber allows us to identify any potential cases of seriously suspect files and to discard them. >4) Identifying by transcriber ensures that we can show that double keying was truly independent. >5) Ownership ensures that at the stage where we apply corrections to the data, there is no prospect of a "rogue" checker overwriting the data held. Most of these (except #2) seem to relate to tying the file back to the original transcriber. But it doesn't sound too difficult to store this info in the header of the record when it was moved to a central store. ?>Much of the problem seems to result from people not appreciating the data model. I disagree with this entirely. The problems I was trying to address are (1) that no-one (excluding yourself and maybe 3 others) other than the original transcriber has access to the data to make legitimate changes/corrections. I'm not suggesting that anyone should be able to change files but there is surely a case for providing access to either syndicate coordinators and/or a person appointed for that task. (2) That questions/comments etc are being sent to people who have in the past uploaded files but now are no longer associated with the project and don't wish to receive them. In some cases, where the email address stored in the FreeBMD record is no longer valid then these questions are coming in to Virginia and in some cases to the Admins list. Neither of these has anything to do with the data model. >The path of asking a transcriber to correct his data is very much part of the early process in the months immediately after transcription, prior to double transcription. Why? Surely questions can arise from someone querying the database and this can happen at anytime. Facilities are already being developed for the later stages of the project, where corrections to records will be applied by other people. These facilities will NOT involve editing the submitted files. The last point here is well taken but what about data that needs to be corrected in the early stages? Personally I would like to see a facility whereby syndicate coordinators 'own' data uploaded by their syndicate and can access it as though it were theirs - this would certainly solve the problem that I am currently experiencing. Regards Ian

Philip Powell wrote: > > I've had a good look round the site to see if there is an answer > available but with no success. > > Is there a mechanism in place to report obvious[0] errors on the > original scans? I'm not talking about 'spelling mistakes', smudges or > faint entries but things like the 2[1]I've seen: > > a) 'Soseph' in a typeset scan after 'John' and before 'Lucy' - making > it a reasonable assumption that the typesetter had picked up an 'S' > instead of a 'J'; > b) 'Elizabeth' in both the forename and district columns in an otherwise > perfect handwritten scan where there was no doubt about a single letter > or number on the scan. In this particular case, the clerk who had > numbered the pages at the top had clearly spotted it as he'd added ??? > after both occurrences. At present, there isn't a mechanism. We are developing such a mechanism to cater for corrections to the index, whilst still remaining true to the index. In essence, the record will be transcribed "as is", and a separate record will be submitted to record our THEORY about the record. Both will be presented in the search results. -- Dave Mayall

Mary Trevan wrote: > > >Our most immediate attention will be given to the removal of volunteers who > have > >registered on the system 2 or more times (the record is currently a > volunteer with > >6 SubmitterIDs). > > I have 3 accounts of which 2 are active:- > 1 - one a typo with an incorrect email address, so I don't know how you > would contact me > 2 - one for my transcriptions (10000+ where my coordinator controls the > edits, although he would prefer it if I was one of the 0 entries people > since all my transcriptions would appear under his name) > 3 - and another for my one-name study entries (10000+ where I contol the > edits). > > So if my understanding is correct, not all '0 entries' correspond to people > who have not done any transcriptions. Quite right. I have 2 accounts, one containing the (paltry number of) transcriptions that I have uploaded, and one that I use to administer the syndicate ("webscan") with 0 entries. The deletion programme will involve trying to contact people to give them a nudge, but it should be emphasised that in the first instance it is NOT accounts with 0 records that are being looked at, but accounts where the registration was never completed. -- Dave Mayall

Hi Vince, go to transcribers pages, then current database status and scroll down until you find your user name, or follow this link and it will take you straight there http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/db-latest.html Regards Sheelagh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vince Gledhill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:13 AM Subject: Re: File Owning > Where will I find the list of names, > > I've found it once before by accident but have looked for it recently and > cannot find it. I'm a new transcriber myself and have uploaded 4 pages. > > I just wanted to see if I was on there. > > Regards > Vince Gledhill > [email protected] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Trevan" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 7:14 AM > Subject: Re: File Owning > > > > John > > > > Thanks for the clarification about a neutral ID owning the files rather > than > > yourself, but I think I'm correct in saying this could still result in an > > active transcriber appearing on the list with '0 entries' against their > > name. > > > > Mary > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Pain <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > Date: Wednesday, 03 October, 2001 11:33 PM > > Subject: Re: File Owning > > > > > > >Mary > > > > > >Your wrote:- > > >>2 - one for my transcriptions (10000+ where my coordinator controls the > > >>edits, although he would prefer it if I was one of the 0 entries people > > >>since all my transcriptions would appear under his name) > > > > > >Not True - The transcriptions would appear in a neutral ID ( I set up > M1871 > > >for 1871 Marriages) with me as the contact for problems. The > transcriptions > > >would be credited to M1871 in the list of transcribers and not John_Pain. > > > > > >Regards > > > > > >John > > > > > >Researching - Hykin (Anywhere) > > >Pai(y)n(e) from Kent 1800's > > >Conde Salop. Anytime > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Mary Trevan <[email protected]> > > >To: <[email protected]> > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:20 PM > > >Subject: Re: File Owning > > > > > > > > >> > > >> >Our most immediate attention will be given to the removal of > volunteers > > >who > > >> have > > >> >registered on the system 2 or more times (the record is currently a > > >> volunteer with > > >> >6 SubmitterIDs). > > >> > > >> I have 3 accounts of which 2 are active:- > > >> 1 - one a typo with an incorrect email address, so I don't know how you > > >> would contact me > > >> 2 - one for my transcriptions (10000+ where my coordinator controls the > > >> edits, although he would prefer it if I was one of the 0 entries people > > >> since all my transcriptions would appear under his name) > > >> 3 - and another for my one-name study entries (10000+ where I contol > the > > >> edits). > > >> > > >> So if my understanding is correct, not all '0 entries' correspond to > > >people > > >> who have not done any transcriptions. In some case the '0 entries' will > > be > > >a > > >> static situation where the transcriber sends their transcriptions by > > email > > >> to their coordinator, and sometimes it is a dynamic situation, since > they > > >> will go above '0 entries' as they upload the files themselves and then > go > > >> back down to '0 entries' as their files are uploaded by the coordinator > > >> under a different ID and then deleted by the coordinator from the > > >> transcriber's account, by the coordinator using the transcriber > password. > > >> > > >> Regards > > >> > > >> Mary Trevan > > >> > > >> > > >> >----- Original Message ----- > > >> >From: "Sheelagh Hawkins" <[email protected]> > > >> >To: <[email protected]> > > >> >Sent: 03 October 2001 19:00 > > >> >Subject: Re: File Owning > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >Dave et al, > > >> >While we are on the subject of transcribers who are no longer active > can > > >I > > >> >ask what the position is with the number of people who subscribed but > > >have > > >> >never actually transcribed anything. When I look at the status list, > > >there > > >> >are several hundred (a guess - I gave up at 120 and I was still on > names > > >> >beginning with A!) people who have never submitted a thing. I > understand > > >> >that some people help out in other ways so don't have time to do the > > >manual > > >> >graft, but surely not that many. > > >> >Should these people be contacted to see if they intend to become > active, > > >or > > >> >if they perhaps need help to get started. > > >> >I realise that perhaps this is probably considered a minor problem on > > the > > >> >list of things to do - I am happy to volunteer to contact them if it > is > > >> just > > >> >a case of waiting for someone to do it. Then I could pass those who > need > > >> >advice on to Virginia ;-) (I said she might live to regret saying she > > >would > > >> >handle all the newbies I could send her way) > > >> >Regards > > >> >Sheelagh > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >============================== > > >> >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > > >> >your heritage! > > >> >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >============================== > > >> >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > > >> >your heritage! > > >> >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ============================== > > >> Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > >> Source for Family History Online. 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John Thanks for the clarification about a neutral ID owning the files rather than yourself, but I think I'm correct in saying this could still result in an active transcriber appearing on the list with '0 entries' against their name. Mary -----Original Message----- From: John Pain <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, 03 October, 2001 11:33 PM Subject: Re: File Owning >Mary > >Your wrote:- >>2 - one for my transcriptions (10000+ where my coordinator controls the >>edits, although he would prefer it if I was one of the 0 entries people >>since all my transcriptions would appear under his name) > >Not True - The transcriptions would appear in a neutral ID ( I set up M1871 >for 1871 Marriages) with me as the contact for problems. The transcriptions >would be credited to M1871 in the list of transcribers and not John_Pain. > >Regards > >John > >Researching - Hykin (Anywhere) >Pai(y)n(e) from Kent 1800's >Conde Salop. Anytime >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mary Trevan <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:20 PM >Subject: Re: File Owning > > >> >> >Our most immediate attention will be given to the removal of volunteers >who >> have >> >registered on the system 2 or more times (the record is currently a >> volunteer with >> >6 SubmitterIDs). >> >> I have 3 accounts of which 2 are active:- >> 1 - one a typo with an incorrect email address, so I don't know how you >> would contact me >> 2 - one for my transcriptions (10000+ where my coordinator controls the >> edits, although he would prefer it if I was one of the 0 entries people >> since all my transcriptions would appear under his name) >> 3 - and another for my one-name study entries (10000+ where I contol the >> edits). >> >> So if my understanding is correct, not all '0 entries' correspond to >people >> who have not done any transcriptions. In some case the '0 entries' will be >a >> static situation where the transcriber sends their transcriptions by email >> to their coordinator, and sometimes it is a dynamic situation, since they >> will go above '0 entries' as they upload the files themselves and then go >> back down to '0 entries' as their files are uploaded by the coordinator >> under a different ID and then deleted by the coordinator from the >> transcriber's account, by the coordinator using the transcriber password. >> >> Regards >> >> Mary Trevan >> >> >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Sheelagh Hawkins" <[email protected]> >> >To: <[email protected]> >> >Sent: 03 October 2001 19:00 >> >Subject: Re: File Owning >> > >> > >> >Dave et al, >> >While we are on the subject of transcribers who are no longer active can >I >> >ask what the position is with the number of people who subscribed but >have >> >never actually transcribed anything. When I look at the status list, >there >> >are several hundred (a guess - I gave up at 120 and I was still on names >> >beginning with A!) people who have never submitted a thing. I understand >> >that some people help out in other ways so don't have time to do the >manual >> >graft, but surely not that many. >> >Should these people be contacted to see if they intend to become active, >or >> >if they perhaps need help to get started. >> >I realise that perhaps this is probably considered a minor problem on the >> >list of things to do - I am happy to volunteer to contact them if it is >> just >> >a case of waiting for someone to do it. Then I could pass those who need >> >advice on to Virginia ;-) (I said she might live to regret saying she >would >> >handle all the newbies I could send her way) >> >Regards >> >Sheelagh >> > >> > >> >============================== >> >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >> >your heritage! >> >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >> > >> > >> > >> >============================== >> >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >> >your heritage! >> >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >> > >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >> Source for Family History Online. Go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >> > > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >