From: sueblee@hotmail.co.uk Until John sent his message I was beginning to think I was the only person totally confused by all the previous bombardment of confusing information on this issue. John's suggestion makes complete sense to me - with or without brackets. Sue --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: freebmd@myarcher.net To: freebmd-admins@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 08:17:38 +0100 Subject: Re: Re: Tip of the Day (No. 6) (last updated 01 April 2012) (subject was-Message Posted on behalf of BillP Well it could, but what is suggested is extremely ambiguous! For example, what does "(or)" mean, why "(2)", and what about page numbers, etc? If anyone can suggest some "English" that conveys the meaning unambiguously (and concisely) then we would be very willing to consider it. The problem is that conversational English is not very good at defining such things. Barrie On 19:59, John Ellwood wrote: > At the risk of appearing as a half-wit, may I suggest that instructions could > be in English ? > > Could it not read '#Comment(2) Entry reads Name 1 or Name (2) for spouse (or) > mother's name. ? > > John > > -----Original Message----- From: Allan Raymond > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 4:36 PM > To: freebmd-admins@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Tip of the Day (No. 6) (last updated 01 April 2012) (subject > was-Message Posted on behalf of BillP > > A task is now on the system with a request to replace the wording of > http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/vol_faq.html#6u which currently reads > > #COMMENT(2) entry reads <alternative> for <field> > > where <alternative> is the alternative from the record > > by wording which will give greater clarity. > > Please hang fire on further discussions regarding this issue until the > Transcribers' Knowledge has been updated. > > Thanks > > Allan Raymond > FreeBMD-Admins mailing list - archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/freebmd-admins > > FreeBMD http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --Certified Virus Free by 4SecureMail.com ICSA-Certified Scanner-- --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: WardFamilyTree@btinternet.com To: freebmd-admins@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 09:18:36 +0100 Subject: Re: Tip of the Day (No. 6) (last updated 01 April 2012) (subjectwas-Message Posted on behalf of BillP I have been following this discussion and for something which I thought understood I have become very confused (I have a couple of scans for correction due to missing out a #COMMENT but not for the format) however in direct response to your email Barrie how about something like the following including the examples: #COMMENT(x) Entry reads <value1> or <value2> for <value list> Examples: #COMMENT(2) Entry reads SMITH or JONES for spouse name #COMMENT(3) Entry reads SMITH or JONES or BROWN for mothers name #COMMENT(2) Entry reads 1020 or 1020b for page number This probably needs further expansion to include an explanation of where the #COMMENT should be placed and if thought necessary an example line could be given to cover each possible issue. Regards Linda -----Original Message----- From: Barrie Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 8:17 AM To: freebmd-admins@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Re: Tip of the Day (No. 6) (last updated 01 April 2012) (subjectwas-Message Posted on behalf of BillP Well it could, but what is suggested is extremely ambiguous! For example, what does "(or)" mean, why "(2)", and what about page numbers, etc? If anyone can suggest some "English" that conveys the meaning unambiguously (and concisely) then we would be very willing to consider it. The problem is that conversational English is not very good at defining such things. Barrie On 19:59, John Ellwood wrote: > At the risk of appearing as a half-wit, may I suggest that instructions > could > be in English ? > > Could it not read '#Comment(2) Entry reads Name 1 or Name (2) for spouse > (or) > mother's name. ? > > John > > -----Original Message----- From: Allan Raymond >> The first change on its own would be typed as (I think): > > Murray,Marjorie,Murray,Liverpool N.,8b,793 > #COMMENT(2) Original mother's name Ward crossed through and replaced by > Murray or Howard. > Murray,Marjorie,Howard,Liverpool N.,8b,793 > > But that is not a strict interpretation of TBK guidance (see below). > > The second change on its own involves typing the relevant entry (see later) > firstly with District/page no. Liverpool N.,8b,793 and secondly with > Liverpool N.,8b,793B. > > > So overall I would type it slightly different to Phil, i.e. > > Murray,Marjorie,Murray,Liverpool N.,8b,793 > #COMMENT(2) Original mother's name Ward crossed through and replaced by > Murray or Howard. Letter B added to page number as a handwritten amendment > Murray,Marjorie,Howard,Liverpool N.,8b,793 > Murray,Marjorie,Murray,L'pool N.,8B,793B > #COMMENT(2) Entry reads Murray or Howard for mother's name > Murray,Marjorie,Howard,L'pool N.,8B,793B > > There are some "problems" that need resolving/clarifying: > > (1) TKB 6(d) - entry crossed out has a definition > > #COMMENT handwritten amendment of crossed out <fieldname> <fieldvalue> where > <fieldname> is the name of the field (surname, page number, etc.) and > <fieldvalue> is the original page number. > > That is slightly misleading, it should be: > > #COMMENT handwritten amendment of crossed out <fieldname> <fieldvalue> > where <fieldname> is the name of the field (surname, page number, etc.) and > <fieldvalue> is the original field (surname, page number, etc.). > > However, no mention made of more than one change. So is the following a > suitable and acceptable definition for changes to more than one field? > > #COMMENT handwritten amendment of crossed out <fieldname1> <fieldvalue1> and > <fieldname2> <fieldvalue2> where <fieldname1> is the name of the field1 > (surname, page number, etc.); <fieldvalue1> is the original field1 (surname, > page number, etc.); <fieldname2> is the name of the field2 (surname, page > number, etc.) and <fieldvalue2> is the original field2 (surname, page > number, etc.), etc. > > > > (2) TKB 6(d) - entry not crossed out has a definition > > #COMMENT(2) original <fieldname> of <orginalvalue> had a handwritten > amendment of <newvalue> where <fieldname> is the name of the field (surname, > page number, etc.), <originalvalue> is the original value of the field and > <newvalue> the amendment. > > Similar comment to above in respect of more than one change to a field. > > (3) If the definitions can't be altered, then is the entry to be typed as? > > Murray,Marjorie,Murray,Liverpool N.,8b,793 > #COMMENT(2) Original mother's name Ward crossed through and replaced by > Murray or Howard. > #COMMENT(2) original Pager No. 793 has a handwritten amendment of 793B > Murray,Marjorie,Howard,Liverpool N.,8b,793 > Murray,Marjorie,Murray,L'pool N.,8B,793B > #COMMENT(2) Entry reads Murray or Howard for mother's name > #COMMENT(2) original Pager No. 793 has a handwritten amendment of 793B > Murray,Marjorie,Howard,L'pool N.,8B,793B > > I'd like to think at Phil's or my version above is correct with the use of a > "compound" #COMMENT(2) line, OK we have a minor divergence of opinion on how > to handle the amendment of Page no. but that is all. > > Like Keith, I've also recently (1954 & 1956 entries) transcribed birth > entries that have both a handwritten change to both name and to page number, > but in all my cases so far its been changes to Page No, and Forename(s) not > "X or Y " changes to Page No and Mother's name. > > I'd like to see some definitive agreement from the Project on what is a > relatively minor (on paper) set of changes. > > Best Regards, > > Philip > > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil [mailto:phil.osbourn@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 03 April 2012 20:13 > To: freebmd-admins@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Problem Entry > > Keith, I think you mean 1942 not 1924... > > Anyway here is how I would transcribe it: > > Murray,Marjorie,Murray,Liverpool N.,8b,793B > #COMMENT(2) Original mother's name Ward crossed through and replaced by > Murray or Howard. Letter B added to page number as a handwritten amendment > Murray,Marjorie,Howard,Liverpool N.,8b,793B > Murray,Marjorie,Murray,L'pool N.,8B,793B > #COMMENT(2) Entry reads Murray or Howard for mother's name > Murray,Marjorie,Howard,L'pool N.,8B,793B > > Phil > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Allan Raymond > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 4:36 PM > To: freebmd-admins@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Tip of the Day (No. 6) (last updated 01 April 2012) > (subject was-Message Posted on behalf of BillP > > A task is now on the system with a request to replace the wording of > http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/vol_faq.html#6u which currently reads > > #COMMENT(2) entry reads <alternative> for <field> > > where <alternative> is the alternative from the record > > by wording which will give greater clarity. > > Please hang fire on further discussions regarding this issue until the > Transcribers' Knowledge has been updated. > > Thanks > > Allan Raymond > FreeBMD-Admins mailing list - archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/freebmd-admins > > FreeBMD http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --Certified Virus Free by 4SecureMail.com ICSA-Certified Scanner-- FreeBMD-Admins mailing list - archive http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/freebmd-admins FreeBMD http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEBMD-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. 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