Good morning all I can’t find page range data for Wigan for 1839 December Deaths. Is there any other way to find this info other than via Transcribers/Statistics/Districts/Page Ranges? Malcolm Gill 62 Beverley Gardens Wembley HA9 9RA +44(0)2089047262 +44(0)7788713579

I have found page range data to be fairly hit-and-miss. The easiest way to do it yourself is to search the BMD data, selecting Wigan district only and then visually scan the resultant page numbers to find the min & max. A slightly more accurate way is to copy and paste the data into a WP program such as Word, sort by the page number and discard any obviously incorrect results. I've just done that and find a range of 547-615. Phil On 10/10/2011 12:35, Malcolm Gill wrote: > Good morning all > > I can’t find page range data for Wigan for 1839 December Deaths. Is there any other way to find this info other than via Transcribers/Statistics/Districts/Page Ranges? > > Malcolm Gill > 62 Beverley Gardens > Wembley > HA9 9RA > > +44(0)2089047262 > +44(0)7788713579 > FreeBMD-Admins mailing list - archive http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/freebmd-admins > FreeBMD http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEBMD-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Magic! Thanks Phil. Malcolm -----Original Message----- From: Phil Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:33 PM To: freebmd-admins@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Missing Page Range Data I have found page range data to be fairly hit-and-miss. The easiest way to do it yourself is to search the BMD data, selecting Wigan district only and then visually scan the resultant page numbers to find the min & max. A slightly more accurate way is to copy and paste the data into a WP program such as Word, sort by the page number and discard any obviously incorrect results. I've just done that and find a range of 547-615. Phil On 10/10/2011 12:35, Malcolm Gill wrote: > Good morning all > > I can’t find page range data for Wigan for 1839 December Deaths. Is there > any other way to find this info other than via > Transcribers/Statistics/Districts/Page Ranges? > > Malcolm Gill > 62 Beverley Gardens > Wembley > HA9 9RA > > +44(0)2089047262 > +44(0)7788713579 > FreeBMD-Admins mailing list - archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/freebmd-admins > FreeBMD http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message FreeBMD-Admins mailing list - archive http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/freebmd-admins FreeBMD http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEBMD-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1522/3943 - Release Date: 10/07/11

Simply by searching for Deaths in Wigan District in December quarter 1839, without putting in any surname or forename, you get all the entries. Judging by the number of UCF entries, the original images this quarter were transcribed from may well have been rather poor. This may well explain why there are also a number of entries which quite simply look wrong. By copying and sorting in a spreadsheet, it appears that there is a continuous run of entries from around 547 to 615, but a considerable scatter of entries (which may have been misread) outside this range. 478 entries are found within this range, with 138 entries either outside it or UCF. By comparing with the other quarters of 1839 Deaths in http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/district-page-map.pl?file=1839D1.csv%201839D2.csv%201839D3.csv%201839D4.csv it appears that Wigan is the last district in volume XXI (21) and follows on after Todmorden. the last page for Todmorden is 546 in Dec qr 1839 Deaths, which agrees with my crude analysis above. However a page range is simply a transcribing aid. Type What You See, even if it is outside the range. The ANC-05 images look much better than the UKD-01 images, so I am surprised to see that http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/bmd-range.pl shows the Richard Oliver syndicate as transcribing from UKD-01, not ANC-05. I do hope that you are using the ANC-05 images, and only using the rescans in the UKD-01 series as a second alternative source in case of doubt. Jeff Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Gill" <malcolm.gill@talktalk.net> To: <FreeBMD-Admins@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 12:35 PM Subject: Missing Page Range Data > Good morning all > > I can’t find page range data for Wigan for 1839 December Deaths. Is there > any other way to find this info other than via > Transcribers/Statistics/Districts/Page Ranges? > > Malcolm Gill > 62 Beverley Gardens > Wembley > HA9 9RA > > +44(0)2089047262 > +44(0)7788713579 > FreeBMD-Admins mailing list - archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/freebmd-admins > FreeBMD http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks Jeff. It's really very simple when you know how! MAlcolm -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Coleman Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:41 PM To: freebmd-admins@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Missing Page Range Data Simply by searching for Deaths in Wigan District in December quarter 1839, without putting in any surname or forename, you get all the entries. Judging by the number of UCF entries, the original images this quarter were transcribed from may well have been rather poor. This may well explain why there are also a number of entries which quite simply look wrong. By copying and sorting in a spreadsheet, it appears that there is a continuous run of entries from around 547 to 615, but a considerable scatter of entries (which may have been misread) outside this range. 478 entries are found within this range, with 138 entries either outside it or UCF. By comparing with the other quarters of 1839 Deaths in http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/district-page-map.pl?file=1839D1.csv%201839D2.csv%201839D3.csv%201839D4.csv it appears that Wigan is the last district in volume XXI (21) and follows on after Todmorden. the last page for Todmorden is 546 in Dec qr 1839 Deaths, which agrees with my crude analysis above. However a page range is simply a transcribing aid. Type What You See, even if it is outside the range. The ANC-05 images look much better than the UKD-01 images, so I am surprised to see that http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/bmd-range.pl shows the Richard Oliver syndicate as transcribing from UKD-01, not ANC-05. I do hope that you are using the ANC-05 images, and only using the rescans in the UKD-01 series as a second alternative source in case of doubt. Jeff Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Gill" <malcolm.gill@talktalk.net> To: <FreeBMD-Admins@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 12:35 PM Subject: Missing Page Range Data > Good morning all > > I can’t find page range data for Wigan for 1839 December Deaths. Is there > any other way to find this info other than via > Transcribers/Statistics/Districts/Page Ranges? > > Malcolm Gill > 62 Beverley Gardens > Wembley > HA9 9RA > > +44(0)2089047262 > +44(0)7788713579 > FreeBMD-Admins mailing list - archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/freebmd-admins > FreeBMD http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message FreeBMD-Admins mailing list - archive http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/freebmd-admins FreeBMD http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEBMD-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1522/3943 - Release Date: 10/07/11

To add to Jeff's comments. At the bottom of a Page Map result page is the following detail "The page numbers in a quarter are examined and a page range is determined based on frequency and contiguousness". A check on the distribution of the pages for Wigan for Deaths for 1839 December shows the pages are not totally contiguousness and there is great variation in the number of entries for each page. For page range 547 to 613 the number of entries for any particular page can vary between 1 and 5, whereas you would expect to see the same number for each page. This problem is caused by the high incidence of UCF entries. Whilst using a spreadsheet approach will provide the basis for determining the page range it may very well be that the algorithm used to automatically work out the page range maps is failing due to the non-contiguousness of the pages together the wide variation in the number of entries per page. Further reading is at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/freebmd-admins/2011-01/1296208095 for anyone who may be interested? There is a good reason why the Richard Oliver Syndicate were allocated and started transcribing from the UKD-01 scans as opposed to the ANC-05. Quite simply the ANC-05 scans weren't available at the time I allocated 1839 Deaths to his Syndicate as part of double keying. The good news is that according to the uploads for the Richard Oliver Syndicate they have been transcribing from the ANC-05 scans for quite a while and it only requires a slight administration task to show Richard's Syndicate against the ANC-05 scans, I'll discuss this further with Richard off list. Allan Raymond FreeBMD Coordinator of Syndicates ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Coleman To: freebmd-admins@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:41 PM Subject: Re: Missing Page Range Data Simply by searching for Deaths in Wigan District in December quarter 1839, without putting in any surname or forename, you get all the entries. Judging by the number of UCF entries, the original images this quarter were transcribed from may well have been rather poor. This may well explain why there are also a number of entries which quite simply look wrong. By copying and sorting in a spreadsheet, it appears that there is a continuous run of entries from around 547 to 615, but a considerable scatter of entries (which may have been misread) outside this range. 478 entries are found within this range, with 138 entries either outside it or UCF. By comparing with the other quarters of 1839 Deaths in http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/district-page-map.pl?file=1839D1.csv%201839D2.csv%201839D3.csv%201839D4.csv it appears that Wigan is the last district in volume XXI (21) and follows on after Todmorden. the last page for Todmorden is 546 in Dec qr 1839 Deaths, which agrees with my crude analysis above. However a page range is simply a transcribing aid. Type What You See, even if it is outside the range. The ANC-05 images look much better than the UKD-01 images, so I am surprised to see that http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/bmd-range.pl shows the Richard Oliver syndicate as transcribing from UKD-01, not ANC-05. I do hope that you are using the ANC-05 images, and only using the rescans in the UKD-01 series as a second alternative source in case of doubt. Jeff Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Gill" <malcolm.gill@talktalk.net> To: <FreeBMD-Admins@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 12:35 PM Subject: Missing Page Range Data > Good morning all > > I can’t find page range data for Wigan for 1839 December Deaths. Is there > any other way to find this info other than via > Transcribers/Statistics/Districts/Page Ranges? > > Malcolm Gill, please send an email to FREEBMD-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Allan Thank you for your full explanation. As one of Richard's syndicate I'm as keen as you and he that we achieve the greatest possible accuracy. Kind regards Malcolm Gill -----Original Message----- From: Allan Raymond Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 7:44 PM To: freebmd-admins@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Missing Page Range Data To add to Jeff's comments. At the bottom of a Page Map result page is the following detail "The page numbers in a quarter are examined and a page range is determined based on frequency and contiguousness". A check on the distribution of the pages for Wigan for Deaths for 1839 December shows the pages are not totally contiguousness and there is great variation in the number of entries for each page. For page range 547 to 613 the number of entries for any particular page can vary between 1 and 5, whereas you would expect to see the same number for each page. This problem is caused by the high incidence of UCF entries. Whilst using a spreadsheet approach will provide the basis for determining the page range it may very well be that the algorithm used to automatically work out the page range maps is failing due to the non-contiguousness of the pages together the wide variation in the number of entries per page. Further reading is at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/freebmd-admins/2011-01/1296208095 for anyone who may be interested? There is a good reason why the Richard Oliver Syndicate were allocated and started transcribing from the UKD-01 scans as opposed to the ANC-05. Quite simply the ANC-05 scans weren't available at the time I allocated 1839 Deaths to his Syndicate as part of double keying. The good news is that according to the uploads for the Richard Oliver Syndicate they have been transcribing from the ANC-05 scans for quite a while and it only requires a slight administration task to show Richard's Syndicate against the ANC-05 scans, I'll discuss this further with Richard off list. Allan Raymond FreeBMD Coordinator of Syndicates ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Coleman To: freebmd-admins@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:41 PM Subject: Re: Missing Page Range Data Simply by searching for Deaths in Wigan District in December quarter 1839, without putting in any surname or forename, you get all the entries. Judging by the number of UCF entries, the original images this quarter were transcribed from may well have been rather poor. This may well explain why there are also a number of entries which quite simply look wrong. By copying and sorting in a spreadsheet, it appears that there is a continuous run of entries from around 547 to 615, but a considerable scatter of entries (which may have been misread) outside this range. 478 entries are found within this range, with 138 entries either outside it or UCF. By comparing with the other quarters of 1839 Deaths in http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/district-page-map.pl?file=1839D1.csv%201839D2.csv%201839D3.csv%201839D4.csv it appears that Wigan is the last district in volume XXI (21) and follows on after Todmorden. the last page for Todmorden is 546 in Dec qr 1839 Deaths, which agrees with my crude analysis above. However a page range is simply a transcribing aid. Type What You See, even if it is outside the range. The ANC-05 images look much better than the UKD-01 images, so I am surprised to see that http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/bmd-range.pl shows the Richard Oliver syndicate as transcribing from UKD-01, not ANC-05. I do hope that you are using the ANC-05 images, and only using the rescans in the UKD-01 series as a second alternative source in case of doubt. Jeff Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Gill" <malcolm.gill@talktalk.net> To: <FreeBMD-Admins@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 12:35 PM Subject: Missing Page Range Data > Good morning all > > I can’t find page range data for Wigan for 1839 December Deaths. Is there > any other way to find this info other than via > Transcribers/Statistics/Districts/Page Ranges? > > Malcolm Gill, please send an email to FREEBMD-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message FreeBMD-Admins mailing list - archive http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/freebmd-admins FreeBMD http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FREEBMD-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1522/3943 - Release Date: 10/07/11

Hello All I found Wigan in the page range I had downloaded for that Year/Event/Quarter. Only a theory but the facts fit this - There is no reason there should be 5 entries per page number. 5 is only the theoretical maximum. Each institution has its own page range within a district and there will only be 5 entries per page if every institution has 10 events (right and left page). With enough feedback from existing certificates we should be able to map out the institutions within a district especially if the GRO always compiled institutions in the same order. cheers Bob Phillips ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Raymond" <allan_raymond@btinternet.com> To: <freebmd-admins@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 7:44 PM Subject: Re: Missing Page Range Data > To add to Jeff's comments. > > At the bottom of a Page Map result page is the following detail "The page > numbers in a quarter are examined and a page range is determined based on > frequency and contiguousness". > > A check on the distribution of the pages for Wigan for Deaths for 1839 > December shows the pages are not totally contiguousness and there is > great variation in the number of entries for each page. For page range > 547 to 613 the number of entries for any particular page can vary between > 1 and 5, whereas you would expect to see the same number for each page. > This problem is caused by the high incidence of UCF entries. > > Whilst using a spreadsheet approach will provide the basis for determining > the page range it may very well be that the algorithm used to > automatically work out the page range maps is failing due to the > non-contiguousness of the pages together the wide variation in the number > of entries per page. Further reading is at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/freebmd-admins/2011-01/1296208095 > for anyone who may be interested? > > There is a good reason why the Richard Oliver Syndicate were allocated and > started transcribing from the UKD-01 scans as opposed to the ANC-05. Quite > simply the ANC-05 scans weren't available at the time I allocated 1839 > Deaths to his Syndicate as part of double keying. The good news is that > according to the uploads for the Richard Oliver Syndicate they have been > transcribing from the ANC-05 scans for quite a while and it only requires > a slight administration task to show Richard's Syndicate against the > ANC-05 scans, I'll discuss this further with Richard off list. > > Allan Raymond > FreeBMD Coordinator of Syndicates > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jeff Coleman > To: freebmd-admins@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:41 PM > Subject: Re: Missing Page Range Data > > > Simply by searching for Deaths in Wigan District in December quarter > 1839, > without putting in any surname or forename, you get all the entries. > Judging by the number of UCF entries, the original images this quarter > were > transcribed from may well have been rather poor. This may well explain > why > there are also a number of entries which quite simply look wrong. > > By copying and sorting in a spreadsheet, it appears that there is a > continuous run of entries from around 547 to 615, but a considerable > scatter > of entries (which may have been misread) outside this range. 478 entries > are > found within this range, with 138 entries either outside it or UCF. > > By comparing with the other quarters of 1839 Deaths in > > http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/district-page-map.pl?file=1839D1.csv%201839D2.csv%201839D3.csv%201839D4.csv > it appears that Wigan is the last district in volume XXI (21) and follows > on > after Todmorden. the last page for Todmorden is 546 in Dec qr 1839 > Deaths, > which agrees with my crude analysis above. > > However a page range is simply a transcribing aid. Type What You See, > even > if it is outside the range. > > The ANC-05 images look much better than the UKD-01 images, so I am > surprised > to see that http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/bmd-range.pl shows the Richard > Oliver syndicate as transcribing from UKD-01, not ANC-05. I do hope that > you > are using the ANC-05 images, and only using the rescans in the UKD-01 > series > as a second alternative source in case of doubt. > > Jeff > > Original Message ----- > From: "Malcolm Gill" <malcolm.gill@talktalk.net> > To: <FreeBMD-Admins@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 12:35 PM > Subject: Missing Page Range Data > > > > Good morning all > > > > I can’t find page range data for Wigan for 1839 December Deaths. Is > there > > any other way to find this info other than via > > Transcribers/Statistics/Districts/Page Ranges? > > > > Malcolm Gill, please send an email to > FREEBMD-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > FreeBMD-Admins mailing list - archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/freebmd-admins > FreeBMD http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FREEBMD-ADMINS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message