Yes, twins or maybe unrelated. There were several entries on the same page number. In the 1890s marriages there were normally two marriages per page. Not sure how many births, maybe 2, 3 or 4. Jeff > Hi > Very new transcriber - I'm currently doing births from 1894. Is it > possible to have two entries - same surname - different christian names - > same district - same page numbers. > Observations please. > Dorothy >

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:58:45 +0100 "Martin Cope" <m_cope@btinternet.com> wrote: Hello Martin, > I guess he's not aware of that and has been fooled by a delay between > a database update appearing on the FreeBMD site and then being > transferred to the Ancestry site. > Does anybody know how long this delay is typically? It can be as much as 3 months, I believe. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent"

Hi Very new transcriber - I'm currently doing births from 1894. Is it possible to have two entries - same surname - different christian names - same district - same page numbers. Observations please. Dorothy

Jeff, I dont know if all the index for 1890 births has been transcribed but out of pure curiosity I tried a search of 1890 Births (no names or other search info except vol & page) arbitrarily choosing volume 2c page 145. The results showed March quarter 3 births recorded/transcribed and June, Sept, & Dec showed 10 births each for that volume & page. Yukon Wanderer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Coleman" <jeff.coleman@ntlworld.com> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 1:29 PM Subject: Re: Identical Data > Yes, twins or maybe unrelated. There were several entries on the same page > number. In the 1890s marriages there were normally two marriages per page. > Not sure how many births, maybe 2, 3 or 4. > > Jeff

This is just a query that I can't work out regarding the previous messages. What happens when these scans are second keyed? The second keyer will be looking at a different image (the one on the FreeBMD site). Sue Bate ----- Original Message ----- From: andyjervisuk@tiscali.co.uk To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 5:08 PM Subject: RE: Photographing Scans Dear Keith, Why don't you do what I do when I can't read some entries in a scan? I print out my transcription ( takes about 7 pages) then take it to the Family History centre, check my entries with with their film or fiche, correct what I need to then go home and make the appropriate corrections. No problem with copyright laws, just take up a little of your time. I usually manage to check 3 or 4 flies in a 2 hour session at the FHC. Hope thie helps. Adrian Jervis >-- Original Message -- >From: "Keith Simpson" <Keylotus@ukonline.co.uk> >Subject: Photographing Scans >Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:24:01 +0100 >To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com > > >First may I express my thanks to Bob Phillips for his help with this. >After visiting my local family record centre and asking for permission to >photograph various scans which my syndicate find hard to decipher. I was >informed that copyright rules apply and they would need proof that I was >part FreeBMD. Yet they had no problem with me looking at the scans at any >time, subject to appointment, but this defeats the object. > >I then wrote to the Central Library in Birmingham, who have copies of the >fiche and received the following reply, >"Dear Mr. Simpson, >I am, of course, aware of the good work that you and your colleagues are >undertaking. > I think that there are Copyright issues that you need to address. Anyone >considering giving you access to the indices would require specific written >approval from the publishers before going forward with the project. As far >as I know we are only allowed to let people have an extract from the >indices for "fair dealing" and this specifically excludes publication. >Have you approached the Family Record Centre and if so what was their >response? > >Best regards >Robert Ryland" > >Has anyone else had this found this, and how did they overcome it. > >Keith Simpson >Gandalf(uk) >Syndicate coordinator > > > > >==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== >Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the >Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > ___________________________________________________________ Unlimited Tiscali Broadband from 14.99! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== FreeBMD Transcribers homepage http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/vindex.shtml ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Dear Keith, Why don't you do what I do when I can't read some entries in a scan? I print out my transcription ( takes about 7 pages) then take it to the Family History centre, check my entries with with their film or fiche, correct what I need to then go home and make the appropriate corrections. No problem with copyright laws, just take up a little of your time. I usually manage to check 3 or 4 flies in a 2 hour session at the FHC. Hope thie helps. Adrian Jervis >-- Original Message -- >From: "Keith Simpson" <Keylotus@ukonline.co.uk> >Subject: Photographing Scans >Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:24:01 +0100 >To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com > > >First may I express my thanks to Bob Phillips for his help with this. >After visiting my local family record centre and asking for permission to >photograph various scans which my syndicate find hard to decipher. I was >informed that copyright rules apply and they would need proof that I was >part FreeBMD. Yet they had no problem with me looking at the scans at any >time, subject to appointment, but this defeats the object. > >I then wrote to the Central Library in Birmingham, who have copies of the >fiche and received the following reply, >"Dear Mr. Simpson, >I am, of course, aware of the good work that you and your colleagues are >undertaking. > I think that there are Copyright issues that you need to address. Anyone >considering giving you access to the indices would require specific written >approval from the publishers before going forward with the project. As far >as I know we are only allowed to let people have an extract from the >indices for "fair dealing" and this specifically excludes publication. >Have you approached the Family Record Centre and if so what was their >response? > >Best regards >Robert Ryland" > >Has anyone else had this found this, and how did they overcome it. > >Keith Simpson >Gandalf(uk) >Syndicate coordinator > > > > >==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== >Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the >Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > ___________________________________________________________ Unlimited Tiscali Broadband from 14.99! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/

I expect we have all come across this before. Whether it is an original typo or these persons were actually given their surname as a second forename seems uncertain. Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Pasterham" <gopuppygo1@yahoo.com.au> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 8:56 AM Subject: spouses with same surnames > How common is it to find spouses with the same sunames, ie a marriage > index entry such as: > > Bloggs, Mary Bloggs Burneley 8 e 1624 > > I've found at least three on the same page. (Sharpes and Sharples - not > Smiths, Jones or Browns, etc.) > > Thanks, > Pat. > > > ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== > Subscribe/Unsubscribe instructions and Archives > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/FreeUK/FreeBMD-Admins.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

I think you've got a set of twins. Bruce DOROTHY LEWIS wrote: >Hi >Very new transcriber - I'm currently doing births from 1894. Is it possible to have two entries - same surname - different christian names - same district - same page numbers. >Observations please. >Dorothy > > > >==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== >FreeBMD Transcribers homepage >http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/vindex.shtml > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > >

Dear Dorothy Yes, it is perfectly possible. The records may be showing the births of twins or cousins, or it may simply be a coincidence. However, you should always type what you see. Even if the index contains an exact duplicate we need to reproduce what is actually there in case two people with the same name were registered. Suspected errors in the source index (and it is known there are errors) can always be highlighted at a later date. Best Wishes Virginia Gretton FreeBMD Volunteer Coordinator Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England Hi Very new transcriber - I'm currently doing births from 1894. Is it possible to have two entries - same surname - different christian names - same district - same page numbers. Observations please. Dorothy

Keith The information at: http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/FAQ.html#16 should answer your copyright query? Allan Raymond ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Simpson" <Keylotus@ukonline.co.uk> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 21 October 2005 13:24 Subject: Photographing Scans First may I express my thanks to Bob Phillips for his help with this. After visiting my local family record centre and asking for permission to photograph various scans which my syndicate find hard to decipher. I was informed that copyright rules apply and they would need proof that I was part FreeBMD. Yet they had no problem with me looking at the scans at any time, subject to appointment, but this defeats the object. I then wrote to the Central Library in Birmingham, who have copies of the fiche and received the following reply, "Dear Mr. Simpson, I am, of course, aware of the good work that you and your colleagues are undertaking. I think that there are Copyright issues that you need to address. Anyone considering giving you access to the indices would require specific written approval from the publishers before going forward with the project. As far as I know we are only allowed to let people have an extract from the indices for "fair dealing" and this specifically excludes publication. Have you approached the Family Record Centre and if so what was their response? Best regards Robert Ryland" Has anyone else had this found this, and how did they overcome it. Keith Simpson Gandalf(uk) Syndicate coordinator ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

First may I express my thanks to Bob Phillips for his help with this. After visiting my local family record centre and asking for permission to photograph various scans which my syndicate find hard to decipher. I was informed that copyright rules apply and they would need proof that I was part FreeBMD. Yet they had no problem with me looking at the scans at any time, subject to appointment, but this defeats the object. I then wrote to the Central Library in Birmingham, who have copies of the fiche and received the following reply, "Dear Mr. Simpson, I am, of course, aware of the good work that you and your colleagues are undertaking. I think that there are Copyright issues that you need to address. Anyone considering giving you access to the indices would require specific written approval from the publishers before going forward with the project. As far as I know we are only allowed to let people have an extract from the indices for "fair dealing" and this specifically excludes publication. Have you approached the Family Record Centre and if so what was their response? Best regards Robert Ryland" Has anyone else had this found this, and how did they overcome it. Keith Simpson Gandalf(uk) Syndicate coordinator

Begin forwarded message: > From: Julie Aspin <julie.aspin@fsmail.net> > Date: 21 October 2005 13:17:42 BDT > To: genmail <genmail@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: bouquets/ also question about uploading data > Reply-To: julie.aspin@fsmail.net > > > I am currently transcribing 1874 births. I work full time and > don't have much spare time but I try to do at least 30 minutes > everyday. Is it ok to upload everyday or do I need to complete the > whole page first ? > > As to the bouquets issue > I completely agree. I teach people how to research their family > history using the internet, and I am constantly up against people > who think their ancestors will appear at the touch of a button, and > many give up when they realise there is some work involved - but > those who stick at it have real successes and always completely > thrilled. They are the ones who make my job worthwhile - when the > elusive ancestor turns up because they've take advice and tried > something as simple as an alternative spelling -it's the ones who > won't take the advice who give up, and as you say, miss out > > > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Oct 21 2005, 11:27 AM > From: "genmail" > To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: Re: bouquets > > Without specific information from Admin at FreeBMD (and it's not > vital enough to use up their time) I guess it's not possible to know > precisely which alphabetical parts of each quarter of every year have > been passed to Ancestry. I know the transcriptions are completed in > dribs and drabs - leastways that's how mine get uploaded! > > It's just that relative newbies don't always realise that the > Ancestry database is an always-out-of-date version of the data on > FreeBMD. Ancestry do make it clear that they are publishing FreeBMD > data, but their users don't always read the information which is > provided! But I've discovered that recent participants in the family > history game don't read much anyway - they seem to assume it's all on > the net and easy to do! How much they miss out on, and how erroneous > their search results, I wouldn't like to judge! > > Jay > > > On 21 Oct 2005, at 03:54, tony harrington wrote: > > > hi Jay > > I have been transcribing for just a short time and have been doing > > my own research for a lot longer, I have found several entries on > > free bmd that are not on the ancestry database so either they are > > doing something to the files before putting them on line or they > > are a long way behind in updating their database with the info > > freebmd pass to them??? have also found some (dare i say) obvious > > errors in their census pages. > > tonyh42 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "genmail" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 6:21 AM > > Subject: Re: bouquets > > > > > > > >> Presumably Mr Haskell does know that Ancestry are publishing the > >> FreeBMD produced indexes - not doing their own???

Without specific information from Admin at FreeBMD (and it's not vital enough to use up their time) I guess it's not possible to know precisely which alphabetical parts of each quarter of every year have been passed to Ancestry. I know the transcriptions are completed in dribs and drabs - leastways that's how mine get uploaded! It's just that relative newbies don't always realise that the Ancestry database is an always-out-of-date version of the data on FreeBMD. Ancestry do make it clear that they are publishing FreeBMD data, but their users don't always read the information which is provided! But I've discovered that recent participants in the family history game don't read much anyway - they seem to assume it's all on the net and easy to do! How much they miss out on, and how erroneous their search results, I wouldn't like to judge! Jay On 21 Oct 2005, at 03:54, tony harrington wrote: > hi Jay > I have been transcribing for just a short time and have been doing > my own research for a lot longer, I have found several entries on > free bmd that are not on the ancestry database so either they are > doing something to the files before putting them on line or they > are a long way behind in updating their database with the info > freebmd pass to them??? have also found some (dare i say) obvious > errors in their census pages. > tonyh42 > ----- Original Message ----- From: "genmail" <genmail@btinternet.com> > To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 6:21 AM > Subject: Re: bouquets > > > >> Presumably Mr Haskell does know that Ancestry are publishing the >> FreeBMD produced indexes - not doing their own??? >

I guess he's not aware of that and has been fooled by a delay between a database update appearing on the FreeBMD site and then being transferred to the Ancestry site. Does anybody know how long this delay is typically? Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "genmail" <genmail@btinternet.com> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 6:21 PM > Presumably Mr Haskell does know that Ancestry are publishing the FreeBMD > produced indexes - not doing their own??? > > Jay > > On 20 Oct 2005, at 11:19, Dave Haskell wrote: >> >> Hi FreeBMD~ >> >> Just wanted to say thank you for all the time and effort >> that you folks have put into this endeavor. I have found >> information here that is missing from Ancestry.com; you >> really compliment the information they have available, filling >> important holes! >> >> You're getting better all the time! Don't ever go away---please! >> >> Dave Haskell >> Ohio USA

Hi Richard: I am a new recruit also. On the complete instructions I read it says to DISABLE any anti-virus software that may be running. Usually this will cause errors and abort the download. Also this person must make sure they have the correct operating system to which the program belongs. This will also cause conflicts. If they have that certain WIN XP they said there will be conflicts. Sheila W. Hi... I run a Syndicate for FreeBMD, and a new recruit of mine reports: "I've been trying to download the WinBMD but my computer has a problem, it says error 25 while i'm downloading and aborts. Any ideas?" I have no ideas... but maybe some kind soul out there has? Richard Oliver Madrid, Spain r.oliver@arrakis.es

Presumably Mr Haskell does know that Ancestry are publishing the FreeBMD produced indexes - not doing their own??? Jay On 20 Oct 2005, at 11:19, Dave Haskell wrote: > > > Hi FreeBMD~ > > Just wanted to say thank you for all the time and effort > that you folks have put into this endeavor. I have found > information here that is missing from Ancestry.com; you > really compliment the information they have available, filling > important holes! > > You're getting better all the time! Don't ever go away---please! > > Dave Haskell > Ohio USA > > > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > > > ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/freebmd-admins > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi I am transcribing the following 1851 M3B0244 which is a double scan There is a small handwritten entry between 2 entries but I am unable to read the part of it which is written in brackets. Could someone take a look for me please, and tell me what to do with it. I always have trouble understanding what you mean about adding a #THEORY notice underneath. So many times I have seen people advised to do that. I am fine for the transcribing but USELESS if I hit a problem. Thanks Lilian Fraser ----- Original Message ----- From: <FreeBMD-Admins-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:00 PM Subject: FreeBMD-Admins-D Digest V05 #194 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/143 - Release Date: 19/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/143 - Release Date: 19/10/2005

How common is it to find spouses with the same sunames, ie a marriage index entry such as: Bloggs, Mary Bloggs Burneley 8 e 1624 I've found at least three on the same page. (Sharpes and Sharples - not Smiths, Jones or Browns, etc.) Thanks, Pat.

Hi... I run a Syndicate for FreeBMD, and a new recruit of mine reports: "I've been trying to download the WinBMD but my computer has a problem, it says error 25 while i'm downloading and aborts. Any ideas?" I have no ideas... but maybe some kind soul out there has? Richard Oliver Madrid, Spain r.oliver@arrakis.es

Hi FreeBMD~ Just wanted to say thank you for all the time and effort that you folks have put into this endeavor. I have found information here that is missing from Ancestry.com; you really compliment the information they have available, filling important holes! You're getting better all the time! Don't ever go away---please! Dave Haskell Ohio USA _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!