I may not be the first person to ask you whether you filled in the first page of BMDVerify correctly, saying that you had a three-column scan. Also if you ever think you have lost a recently-transcribed file, have a look in the WinBMD 'File' menu and see what the folder address is in the 'Define Save Path' entry. It could be that you are saving your file in a different place on your computer from where you expect. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louise & Tim Atherton" <athertonlt@optusnet.com.au> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:36 AM Subject: saving transcriptions > Further to my previous email, I just wanted to ask about the WinBMD > program re saving. Yesterday I opened up 1883M3-J0757 to find that only > the 1st part of the page was saved, so I went on to finish the following 2 > columns, entered +PAGE,0758 at the end, saved batch & exited. When I went > to do a Verify today, only the first part was visible again, the other 2 > columns had disappeared again!

Mary Yes, that was the word I was looking for. OVERWRITTEN!! I did as you said, thank you. And unfortunately, YES it has been overwritten & I will need to redo the file. I will take your advice for future reference. Thanks. Louise

Thank you Dorothy for your help, unfortunately, it didn't work, both files are identical. Louise

From your description it sounds as though you have changed where WinBMD is saving its files. Look on the Files menu and you'll see an item called "Define Save Path" and next to this in brackets you'll see where files are being saved - if this is anything other than where you are opening the files from then this is your problem. Try clicking this menu item and navigating back to the default folder (C:\Program Files\WinBMD\Output\) and see if that helps. If before doing that you look in the folder in brackets you should find your correct file in there and you can move it back to the Output folder. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: Louise & Tim Atherton To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:36 AM Subject: saving transcriptions Further to my previous email, I just wanted to ask about the WinBMD program re saving. Yesterday I opened up 1883M3-J0757 to find that only the 1st part of the page was saved, so I went on to finish the following 2 columns, entered +PAGE,0758 at the end, saved batch & exited. When I went to do a Verify today, only the first part was visible again, the other 2 columns had disappeared again! I understand that 1883M3-J0756 had unfortunately been overwritten with info from 0757, but exactly the same thing with 0756, 1st column there, the other 2 not. Also the header on the top left hand corner is incorrect & can't be altered. Any advice on this one please? Thanks Louise ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== Want to help FreeBMD? Go to http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/Signup.html to find out how. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Thank you to all who replied with help for managing files. I neglected to mention that I hadn't uploaded the file to the BMD website yet, the file is still saved on my computer. I completed transcribing 1883M3-0756, then started -0757, without placing the +PAGE at the end of 0756. After saving each time & finishing, I went to check both files before starting BMDVerify & found that 0756 is a copy of 0757 and one of the files was saved automatically as Pre-0757, yet they are the same & I know that I definitely entered the correct batch, starting with the "A" forenames in 0756. This file seems to have disappeared. Another thing I should mention - my instructions were, because I am new, were to hold off uploading to the BMD website until my first submission had been checked, which is fair enough. Apologies for the confusion. Any help please or do I have to redo 0756? Louise

Hi Bill Upload it without the ? then open the file in Notepad edit it, then resend. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Bill Hounslow [mailto:billhounslow@f2s.com] Sent: 20 November 2005 20:58 To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Transcribing '?' Character I have a page no. of 331?a on one of my pages but I can’t upload it with the ‘?’ character included.  I have tried enclosing the page no. string in quotes so that the entire line reads ‘Fisk,Walter,Henstead,4b,”331?a”’  but FreeBMD still rejects it. Is there any way it can be upload it or do I use an underscore and a #COMMENT line? Bill Hounslow (BillHo 3111) ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

(changed title from Unidentified subject!) John In a roundabout way I gave you and your team a pat on the back in my earlier response to Sue's offer of help. I also knew that Sue was a member of your team, which jogged my memory about your "How to read 19th Century Handwriting" below. To quote my response: ***** An aid regarding handwritten scans can be found via the Transcribers' Page at: http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/vindex.shtml scroll down to Volunteer Support & Resources and click on "How to read 19th Century Handwriting". ***** "How to read 19th Century Handwriting" is the recognised brain child of your Syndicate. I'm sure the Trustees of FreeBMD will agree with my comments that we will take on board any constructive comments on improvements to our "Hints for beginners" and Transcribers' Knowledge Base to make them more user friendly format. As I don't have sole control of what is on the FreeBMD site any suggestions for improvement can be sent to our DISCUSS list and not direct to me. I seem to recollect Mark Hattam saying the DISCUSS list was quiet, so now is the time to wake it up? I would agree about Sue and your comment "Why aren't the transcribers asking their co-ordinators for guidance?". The first port of call was always meant to be the Co-ordinator rather than post all and sundry to the Admins List Regards Allan Raymond ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Slann" <john.slann@btinternet.com> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 20 November 2005 12:13 Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Dear Sue, That was well said. There was only one thing I would quarrel with you over; you said: " I am no expert", but you are, you have read 1000's and 1000's on entries from a multitude of scribes whose handwriting ranged from poor to good and from photographs that ranger from appalling to fair. And for five years. That makes you an expert. I am confident you could hold your own on reading the writing with anyone. I suspect the problem with some co-ordinators is they just dish the work out and that is all. We and this includes Bob, you and the other mentors have got it more right than anyone else. There can't be a right answer, but one of the ways you can measure our success is to count how many times one of "ours" raises a query on any of the lists. From time to time I have raised the question of putting the FreeBMD "faq's" and "Hints for beginners" in a more user friendly format. The answer is always we can't on site, but after all this time you would have thought they could find a way around the problem. I have been trying to launch a website for the syndicate, and this was going to include all the bits and pieces of pictorial help we have put together over the years. I thought it was ready for uploading and when I tried yesterday it failed. I think I know why, but that will have to wait until the middle of the week before I have a clear patch of peace and quiet to sit and work it through for a two or three hours. You dun well gal!! Love John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Bate" <sueburt33@hotmail.com> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 10:20 PM Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! >I am quite bothered by a few queries on this list recently. And before >anyone shouts at me that "this is not the place to air this concern" - this >is the place I read the queries so this is the place I will put my >concerns! > > Hand written scans are very different from the printed ones - and > transcribers undertaking them should be given guidance. It would seem, > from the queries posted, that transcribers are "thrown in at the deep end" > with these hand written scans and just left to get on with it. > > I really don't think it should be a "free for all" when somebody can't > read something. It becomes confusing when x amount of people suggest one > thing and y amount of people suggest something else. Why aren't the > transcribers asking their co-ordinators for guidance? > > Transcribing hand written scans is difficult and needs lots of > explanations - both on hand writing and comparing with other entries on > the page., not to mention deviations of districts. I am no expert, but > have done enough of them to know that being "told the answer" isn't > enough. > > I would be happy to help anybody with their problems - even though the > answer may be "put *" > > Sue Bate > ----- Original Message ----- > From: g.armstrong-bridges@tiscali.co.uk > To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 3:06 PM > Subject: Unidentified subject! > > > I have one line I cannot get in 1849M2-Q-0000.jpg. > > Line 20 between Quayle Henry and Queen Mary Ann, there is an unreadable > line. > > I guess its Que_ , Heinry S moulton,X 351, > > Any suggestions? > > Keith R. 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Hi Louise It does sound like somehow your file has been overwritten. I have one idea for you to try and see if there is a copy of the file on another part of your computer disc, and another idea to try and stop the same thing happening to other files in future. To try to find if there is another file in a different part of the disc, you can try to use the "Start => Search" menu and look for "All files and folders" where "All or part of the file name" is 0756 and "Look in" is Local Hard Drives. My tip for trying to avoid it in future is to make a copy into another directory (call it something like beforeVerifying). Then use BMDVerify and WinBMD and you did before. That way if something goes wrong and a file gets overwritten you can at least go back to where you were before you started verifying and correcting. But I fear that for this file you will most probably need to retranscribe it. Mary Trevan FreeBMD District Alias Team Coordinator FreeCEN Coordinator for Channel Islands, 1861 and 1891 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louise & Tim Atherton" <athertonlt@optusnet.com.au> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 10:28 PM Subject: File Management > Thank you to all who replied with help for managing files. I neglected to mention that I hadn't uploaded the file to the BMD website yet, the file is still saved on my computer. I completed transcribing 1883M3-0756, then started -0757, without placing the +PAGE at the end of 0756. After saving each time & finishing, I went to check both files before starting BMDVerify & found that 0756 is a copy of 0757 and one of the files was saved automatically as Pre-0757, yet they are the same & I know that I definitely entered the correct batch, starting with the "A" forenames in 0756. This file seems to have disappeared. Another thing I should mention - my instructions were, because I am new, were to hold off uploading to the BMD website until my first submission had been checked, which is fair enough. Apologies for the confusion. Any help please or do I have to redo 0756? > Louise > > > ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== > FreeBMD Transcribers homepage > http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/vindex.shtml > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Hello my transcriber friends - It was my e-mail of the 14th re this page which caused many strong opinions to be expressed on this site. Having been away for two days, and the dust having settled, and having made no response to date, I now exercise my right of reply, even though the matter is now almost past history. My original comment was never intended to be sarcastic, caustic, or anything else of that nature. On a second reading, perhaps it could be taken as somewhat curt. Such was not my intention. It is not my nature or intention to cause any ill-feeling among the transcribers and/or the management at any time.However, each of us is an individual and can respond in different ways at different times. I have been in contact with Allan Raymond in this matter, and no animosity exists between us. Having come into contact with computers well after my retirement, I'm afraid I haven't moved beyond the semi-literate stage. Over the last 2 years, I've been in regular contact with Allan seeking assistance and guidance in transcribing, and it has been promptly given, almost invariably within 24 hours. I raised the matter of the Bouquets' Page following a comment from my computer guru friend, also a family history devotee, who happened to look at that page. He thought it unusual that in view of the obvious excellent organization and management of the project that the last update of this page was 2 years ago, when it could be assumed that there would be a continuous flow of "bouquets" coming in. That caused me to wonder who else may have entertained the same thought, as I did - hence my comment. It has been suggested that I or Derek Lowe should offer to take over Allan's job. Does this mean that whenever a transcriber makes a comment or offers a suggestion re an update or a possible improvement then he/she should offer to take over the job of the person responsible for that segment of the FreeBMD project? We would be having a game of musical chairs! In my case, I haven't the computer knowledge to take over any position of responsibility. Does that bar me from making any suggestions? Like Allan, I am indeed a volunteer, and like Allan, I don't get paid either for my contribution to FreeBMD. But, like Allan, I do give the project a good deal of support, but not in administration. Much effort and commitment are involved in doing over 75,000 transcriptions over 2 1/2 years. Allan's comments of Tuesday the 15th put the position in perspective and are much appreciated as what should have been an end to this matter. However, as I said at the outset, I felt obliged to put my position, having to date been a silent observer of the ebb and flow of comment (or should I say brickbats & bouquets!) Please, let us have no more. Comments have been made, I have replied, whether adequately or not I don't know, but should anyone feel I have been the cause of the trouble, to them I apologise. Back to transcribing, and, although a little early, my Compliments of the Season to all. Evan S

No sorry there was no ? - just suggested trying to upload via File Management to see if it worked that way. Apologies if I misled anyone. Dorothy Allan Raymond <allan_raymond@btinternet.com> wrote: Dorothy Are you saying you managed to upload a file containing a ? adjacent to other characters such as in Bill's example 331?a. I failed to upload such a file. If you could please give the exact format of the record you managed to upload it would help to provide some definitive advice in either our Hints and Help For Beginners or Transcribers' Knowledge Base Allan Raymond ----- Original Message ----- From: "DOROTHY LEWIS" To: Sent: 20 November 2005 21:55 Subject: Re: Transcribing '?' Character Bill Try uploading via your File Management - it works for me. Dorothy Bill Hounslow wrote: I have a page no. of 331?a on one of my pages but I can't upload it with the '?' character included. I have tried enclosing the page no. string in quotes so that the entire line reads 'Fisk,Walter,Henstead,4b,"331?a"' but FreeBMD still rejects it. Is there any way it can be upload it or do I use an underscore and a #COMMENT line? Bill Hounslow (BillHo 3111) ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== Want to help FreeBMD? Go to http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/Signup.html to find out how. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== Want to help FreeBMD? Go to http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/Signup.html to find out how. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Dorothy Are you saying you managed to upload a file containing a ? adjacent to other characters such as in Bill's example 331?a. I failed to upload such a file. If you could please give the exact format of the record you managed to upload it would help to provide some definitive advice in either our Hints and Help For Beginners or Transcribers' Knowledge Base Allan Raymond ----- Original Message ----- From: "DOROTHY LEWIS" <dorothy.dal1@btopenworld.com> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 20 November 2005 21:55 Subject: Re: Transcribing '?' Character Bill Try uploading via your File Management - it works for me. Dorothy Bill Hounslow <billhounslow@f2s.com> wrote: I have a page no. of 331?a on one of my pages but I can't upload it with the '?' character included. I have tried enclosing the page no. string in quotes so that the entire line reads 'Fisk,Walter,Henstead,4b,"331?a"' but FreeBMD still rejects it. Is there any way it can be upload it or do I use an underscore and a #COMMENT line? Bill Hounslow (BillHo 3111) ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== Want to help FreeBMD? Go to http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/Signup.html to find out how. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Louise Go - Start - All Programmes - Accessories - Windows Explorer - C Drive - if you have saved Winbmd in Programme Files click on - find your Winbmd -click on - Output and you should then locate your 0756 file just double click. Good Luck Dorothy Louise & Tim Atherton <athertonlt@optusnet.com.au> wrote: Thank you to all who replied with help for managing files. I neglected to mention that I hadn't uploaded the file to the BMD website yet, the file is still saved on my computer. I completed transcribing 1883M3-0756, then started -0757, without placing the +PAGE at the end of 0756. After saving each time & finishing, I went to check both files before starting BMDVerify & found that 0756 is a copy of 0757 and one of the files was saved automatically as Pre-0757, yet they are the same & I know that I definitely entered the correct batch, starting with the "A" forenames in 0756. This file seems to have disappeared. Another thing I should mention - my instructions were, because I am new, were to hold off uploading to the BMD website until my first submission had been checked, which is fair enough. Apologies for the confusion. Any help please or do I have to redo 0756? Louise ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== FreeBMD Transcribers homepage http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/vindex.shtml ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Bill Try uploading via your File Management - it works for me. Dorothy Bill Hounslow <billhounslow@f2s.com> wrote: I have a page no. of 331?a on one of my pages but I can’t upload it with the ‘?’ character included. I have tried enclosing the page no. string in quotes so that the entire line reads ‘Fisk,Walter,Henstead,4b,”331?a”’ but FreeBMD still rejects it. Is there any way it can be upload it or do I use an underscore and a #COMMENT line? Bill Hounslow (BillHo 3111) ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

I have a page no. of 331?a on one of my pages but I can’t upload it with the ‘?’ character included.  I have tried enclosing the page no. string in quotes so that the entire line reads ‘Fisk,Walter,Henstead,4b,”331?a”’  but FreeBMD still rejects it. Is there any way it can be upload it or do I use an underscore and a #COMMENT line? Bill Hounslow (BillHo 3111)

Hi all Has anyone else forgotten to put the +PAGE at the end of a transcribed sheet like me or am I the only dill that has done that? I have a double up of transcriptions, looks like I've lost one of them. Any suggestions? Louise

Please remove my email from your lists as I no longer transcribe and do not wish to recieve any more of your messages. Thank you

Hi Louise I guess by now you've located your File Management. To save time and having to look for this file, once located I've added it to my Favorites - its a boon. Cheers Dorothy Veronica Elleson <veron@elleson.com> wrote: Hi Sorry if I'm pointing out something you've tried, but it's on the FreeBMD website Transcribers page under "manage your files". That's where it is on mine anyway! Cheers Veronica -----Original Message----- From: FreeBMD-Admins-L-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:FreeBMD-Admins-L-request@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Louise & Tim Atherton Sent: 20 November 2005 10:35 To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Andrew Cannot find File Management, searched all through WinBMD. Louise ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== FreeBMD Transcribers homepage http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/vindex.shtml ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== FreeBMD Transcribers homepage http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/vindex.shtml ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Thanks for your advice, i think i have sorted my problem, i dont quite know how but i enabled some add ons which i had previously disabled thinking they were of no use. i should be able to start transcribing again now.

Hi Sorry if I'm pointing out something you've tried, but it's on the FreeBMD website Transcribers page under "manage your files". That's where it is on mine anyway! Cheers Veronica -----Original Message----- From: FreeBMD-Admins-L-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:FreeBMD-Admins-L-request@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Louise & Tim Atherton Sent: 20 November 2005 10:35 To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Andrew Cannot find File Management, searched all through WinBMD. Louise ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== FreeBMD Transcribers homepage http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/vindex.shtml ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Louise, Its under File Management on the main page (Manage your Files) Keith -----Original Message----- From: Louise & Tim Atherton [mailto:athertonlt@optusnet.com.au] Sent: 20 November 2005 10:35 To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Andrew Cannot find File Management, searched all through WinBMD. Louise ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== FreeBMD Transcribers homepage http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/vindex.shtml ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx