These two records should be in the same place, as there is only one person in each place and they were married to each other. Thank you for an excellent site. Regards Paul

There speaks a person who does not have a problem! Brian Smart > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Billinghurst [mailto:billinghurst@tpg.com.au] > Sent: 02 January 2006 12:05 > To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Admin] NTL email is not pertinent to the topic matter of the > list > > > Hi, > > The discussion of NTL's email performance, preferred browsers, mail > software, etc. are off-topic for this mailing list. Those > transcribing in general will find this both irrelevant and possibly > irritating. > > If you wish to discuss such topics, then please find an appropriate > list to discuss it. RootsWeb provides quite a range and they are > available for review at http://lists.rootsweb.com/ alternatively > there is Google which has other choices. NTL may even have their own > internal help forum, and I presume that information will be available > via their HelpDesk. > > Regards Andrew > List-admin for FreeBMD-Admins mailing list > -> Visit http://FreeBMD.rootsweb.com > > > ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== > Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the > Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Anne You can also use Google.mail on Internet Explorer. I have been using Google.mail for about a year and would not use anything else now. Before I started using Google.mail I was plagued with spam but the problem is now non-existent and I do get all my genuine messages. I also have lots of invitations and if anybody is interested I will only be too pleased to help. Email me at jayms2@gmail.com if interested. Regards Jim On 01/01/06, Anne <iamanne@frontiernet.net> wrote: > > You need to start using firefox and then subscribe to google email.

PLEASE enough of this, it should be on DISCUSS Barry Debbie <debbie.cattermoul@ntlworld.com> wrote: For what it's worth, I use NTL with Outlook, but have e-trust anti-virus software, which has a spam filter and sends non-contact e-mails into a separate folder (including you lot here!). I have had no problems with NTL, although my husband has the current record of an e-mail taking a week to get through! That was over Christmas, so perhaps that's an excuse. I feel it's a lot to do with the server that the e-mail is coming from. Debbie -----Original Message----- From: Louise & Tim Atherton [mailto:athertonlt@optusnet.com.au] Sent: 01 January 2006 22:28 To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Problems with NTL Just to add to John's comment, Outlook Express has a provision for blocking a sender in Messages Toolbar, which you have control over. I know that Optus don't delete emails unless you've put them into the Block Sender list. Otherwise, the anti virus blocks any worms or other virus attached email. Louise ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== FreeBMD - http://FreeBMD.rootsweb.com ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

For what it's worth, I use NTL with Outlook, but have e-trust anti-virus software, which has a spam filter and sends non-contact e-mails into a separate folder (including you lot here!). I have had no problems with NTL, although my husband has the current record of an e-mail taking a week to get through! That was over Christmas, so perhaps that's an excuse. I feel it's a lot to do with the server that the e-mail is coming from. Debbie -----Original Message----- From: Louise & Tim Atherton [mailto:athertonlt@optusnet.com.au] Sent: 01 January 2006 22:28 To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Problems with NTL Just to add to John's comment, Outlook Express has a provision for blocking a sender in Messages Toolbar, which you have control over. I know that Optus don't delete emails unless you've put them into the Block Sender list. Otherwise, the anti virus blocks any worms or other virus attached email. Louise ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C60F8C.DF47CAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just got this notification back from the post along with the post I last sent. Seems to be getting through to me. Maybe the problems are with individual settings on their PC's. But could not rule out problems with Ntl. Kindest Regards Allan -----Original Message----- From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [mailto:MAILER-DAEMON@lists2.rootsweb.com] Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 11:02 AM To: allan.oliver2@ntlworld.com Subject: Return receipt The original message was received at Mon, 2 Jan 2006 04:02:09 -0700 from mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.16.34] ----- The following addresses had successful delivery notifications ----- "|exec /u1/slist/.bin/flist FreeBMD-Admins-L" (successfully delivered to mailbox) (expanded from: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@lists2.rootsweb.com>) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- "|exec /u1/slist/.bin/flist FreeBMD-Admins-L"... Successfully delivered ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C60F8C.DF47CAA0 Content-Type: message/delivery-status; name="details.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="details.txt" Reporting-MTA: dns; lists2.rootsweb.com Received-From-MTA: DNS; mail.rootsweb.com Arrival-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 04:02:09 -0700 Final-Recipient: RFC822; FreeBMD-Admins-L@lists2.rootsweb.com X-Actual-Recipient: X-Unix; |exec /u1/slist/.bin/flist FreeBMD-Admins-L Action: delivered (to mailbox) Status: 2.1.5 Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 04:02:10 -0700 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C60F8C.DF47CAA0 Content-Type: text/rfc822-headers; name="ATT00004.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ATT00004.txt" Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.16.34]) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k02B29W8013700 for <FreeBMD-Admins-L@lists2.rootsweb.com>; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 04:02:09 = -0700 Received: from mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com = [81.103.221.47]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k02B228N031968 for <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com>; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 04:02:03 -0700 Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id = <20060102110158.ZKMJ21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail= .ntl.com> for <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com>; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:01:58 +0000 Received: from PheonixHome ([82.3.122.75]) by = aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id = <20060102110158.JQVR774.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PheonixHome> for <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com>; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:01:58 +0000 Return-Receipt-To: "allan.oliver2" <allan.oliver2@ntlworld.com> Reply-To: <allan.oliver2@ntlworld.com> From: "allan.oliver2" <allan.oliver2@ntlworld.com> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: RE: Problems with NTL Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:01:56 -0000 Message-ID: = <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOX+ATiiNHVCnBs649FoIEfCgAAAEAAAAPFY2rq58jJNujbV7= MC7yUsBAAAAAA=3D=3D@ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Importance: High Thread-Index: AcYPIqzbGswgMxZKQdCG3p3+1UZVkQAZ2TvA In-Reply-To: <006301c60f22$a522bde0$70a7ecdc@familyroom> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Disposition-Notification-To: "allan.oliver2" = <allan.oliver2@ntlworld.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.16.34 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C60F8C.DF47CAA0--

I use Ntl and have done for many years. Previously I had used AOL, which was good on the surface but awful underneath. I can't say that I've had many problems with Ntl, just occasional ones with the odd PoP3 account not delivering at times, but the emails, Junk and otherwise still come through. Ntl does have a spam filter which can be turned on and off, I keep it turned off and filter from Outlook by using Junk filter to weed out the chaff, but they still get through. I like it that way as I get full control of what comes in and what goes out. So far I must have 40 odd messages that have come through so far, all about Ntl and problems with it. If I don't receive an email, then I don't know that I've missed it. For all I know these 40 odd emails may only be a small percentage of what is being posted. I would not know. But Ntl works fine for me. I still receive emails from friends and other webs that I have responded to and have never had a reported bounced email yet. But then how would I know if they keep bouncing. Keep posting they all make interesting reading. Happy New Year to all Kindest regards Allan -----Original Message----- From: Louise & Tim Atherton [mailto:athertonlt@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 10:28 PM To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Problems with NTL Just to add to John's comment, Outlook Express has a provision for blocking a sender in Messages Toolbar, which you have control over. I know that Optus don't delete emails unless you've put them into the Block Sender list. Otherwise, the anti virus blocks any worms or other virus attached email. Louise ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Hi Try Bangor North Wales they do a lot in name research Keith

Just to add to John's comment, Outlook Express has a provision for blocking a sender in Messages Toolbar, which you have control over. I know that Optus don't delete emails unless you've put them into the Block Sender list. Otherwise, the anti virus blocks any worms or other virus attached email. Louise

My advice would also be to ditch NTL - sounds like it's not worth the hassle. I'm with Optus which is excellent. You can go to the spam inbox & check if all emails - just in case an allowed email slips through. (Rarely occurs). Also, there are a number of very good ISP's available that are reliable. "Shop around" Louise

'Heard many horror stories about AOL'. Well please hear this. I have no trouble with AOL email and I get no nuisance spam at all, a satisfied AOL user, Jean Webber

I think people are getting confused about the difference between their own spam folder created by programmes such as Norton, and a folder on NTL / AOL. If an email is deposited in the recipients spam folder then it has been received but placed in the wrong folder. Most ISP's filter programmes block the email when received at the server and discard them immediately. As far as I am aware there is no way that these are retrievable. John.

Hi No it doesn't go into the Spam folder.. We had terrible problems over the last couple of years with AOL. They were barring IP or DNS addresses the same way NTL are now. The barred mail doesn't get as far as the SPAM box and maybe the proposed recipient never knows they've lost mail. We also found out that AOL had different SPAM settings in different localities so getting the problem cured in Connecticut didn't cure it in Arizona. Suggestions to dump NTL are not that helpful. We need to find out what list NTL are using to block mail and/or how we can affect/correct that list. cheers Bob Phillips ----- Original Message ----- From: <JAP148@aol.com> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 9:32 PM Subject: Re: Problems with NTL > As far as AOL goes, yes they use a spam filter, but all mail they consider > spam goes into a spam folder, whch you can retrieve very easily, once retrieved > aol will no longer put mail from that address into spam folder and send it to > your inbox instead :-) > > Julie > > > ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/freebmd-admins > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Coleman" <jeff.coleman@ntlworld.com> > In general, the wording on 'bounces' usually gives clues as to why > the bounce has occurred. The more information you can give to an ISP > help-desk from a 'bounce' the more likely they are to be able to > avoid it recurring - if they want to. > My yahoo groups email all had the same error message and when I relayed this info to the ntl help desk all they could say was that they knew it was happening but hadn't been able to resolve the situation. Lynda

I think that the problem is that when NTL started their spam-trapping it slowed things down, and incoming emails would time-out before getting through to NTL, and bounce back. This was particularly true of some free ISPs that seemed not to attempt to send a second time if a timeout occurred, but gave up. This paraphrases information obtained when emails from my daughter were bouncing. I know that some mail to me bounces, but have never found any of the missing mail in the spam folder NTL provides. Yahoo groups mail gets through rather irregularly. The only case I know where NTL settings were at fault in failing to deliver my emails was rectified several weeks after I complained. That was to an ISP in Germany. In general, the wording on 'bounces' usually gives clues as to why the bounce has occurred. The more information you can give to an ISP help-desk from a 'bounce' the more likely they are to be able to avoid it recurring - if they want to. This is my understanding of the situation, which may not be wholly correct. Any of my transcribers who has had messages to me bounced - try try again! They usually get through in the end. If not, send a discreet message to this list and I will provide an alternative email address to contact me. Jeff

Dear All, I suggest you ditch NTL and find a more friedlier IP. I've heard many horror stories about NTL and also AOL, both are a pain up the backside as far as monitoring e-mails are concerned. Yours sincerely, Adrian Jervis >-- Original Message -- >From: "Brian Smart" <brian.smart@blueyonder.co.uk> >Subject: Problems with NTL >Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 16:07:45 -0000 >To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com > > >Hello all, >Thanks for the replies. I now understand it is a widespread problem. What >to >do about it, I don't know! >Regards > >Brian Smart > > >==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== >Subscribe/Unsubscribe instructions and Archives >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/FreeUK/FreeBMD-Admins.html > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ Christmas gift ideas and festive features - visit the Tiscali Christmas microsite. http://www.tiscali.co.uk/christmas

I am an AOL UK user and have been for 10 years or so, think I have only ever lost 1 or 2 mails, its rare mail I want is treated as spam, but if it is, then it goes to my spam folder. maybe aol usa is different, although I have spent a lot of time there and used aol usa with no problems Julie

As far as AOL goes, yes they use a spam filter, but all mail they consider spam goes into a spam folder, whch you can retrieve very easily, once retrieved aol will no longer put mail from that address into spam folder and send it to your inbox instead :-) Julie

Hello all, Thanks for the replies. I now understand it is a widespread problem. What to do about it, I don't know! Regards Brian Smart

Hi All I went through the spam route with NTL and I now have enough of those Niagra pills to last me til Jan 9th. Here is an extract of a NTL email about server blacklists, hopefully somebody understands it enough to get it sorted out. To get this message out of NTL required me to obtain the IP address of the message I couldn't receive!!! cheers Bob Phillips EXTRACT >Thanks for your email > >The hotmail email servers which have attempted to >deliver the email to you are on commercial blacklists that are employed by >ntl to reduce spam, you will need to contact hotmail directly for your ip address to be removed >ntl cannot remove your ip address from the black list. Regards Chris Ntl Technical Support ----- Original Message ----- From: "colin cruddace" <c.cruddace@ntlworld.com> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: Re: Problems with NTL email addresses > I'm with NTL and use Outlook Express. The only problem that I know of, but > there may well be others, was receiving mail from Virgin. When I contacted > NTL they fobbed me off with spam filtering, but this was obviously not the > explanation as some mail was being returned undelivered. This is a bit over > my head but the most likely explanation I found was that some mail servers > are being blacklisted for excessive distribution of spam and it then becomes > a hit and miss affair of a 'clear' server being used each time it is > re-issued. It would also tend to overload that system by putting the extra > burden on the servers. > > Regards, > Colin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynda" <lyn.worth@ntlworld.com> > To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 1:27 PM > Subject: Re: Problems with NTL email addresses > > > > yes, loads of problems with ntl email. I belong to a lot of yahoo groups > > and last month I "lost" over 1000 emails. Talking to ntl they admit that > > they are filtering all emails for spam, I told them they're not doing it > > right. > > Lynda > > > > > ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== > Subscribe/Unsubscribe instructions and Archives > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/FreeUK/FreeBMD-Admins.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >