Maybe I'm being thick here, or just lost a vital email.. I registered to transcribe in my spare time a while ago, but haven't managed to get any further..do any of you Co-ordinators want me ? I'm guessing you log all the transcriptions you send out etc so I need a lead. I've downloaded winBMD ready and waiting. Jayne

To be consistent in the reasoning used for including other 'corrections' in the transcript, i.e. All the handwritten additions and insertions to the Index, the indicated sequence 'corrections' should also be made. If when there are out of sequence records and no correction is indicated then, again being consistent with previous reasoning for the insertion of handwritten entries, no correction should be made. Derek Lowe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Oliver" <richol@arrakis.es> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Out of Sequence error > Sorry to add my pennyworth to what to others looks like an open-and-shut > case... but I have just given contrary advice to one of my syndicate > transcribers, who asked: > > "On 1862D20553 scan, Wolfran and Richard Cottingham are recorded out of > sequence. The compiler realised the mistake and has placed asterisks on > either end of their surnames. I have kept the wrong order (TWYS) but do I > include those asterisks in my transcription, which of course mean > something > different in Free BMD speak?" > > I replied that the asterisks should be ignored, as should the wrong > ordering > of forenames - on the grounds that the "correction" could have been made > by > anyone, official or otherwise, at any time before the scan was made. I > also > opined that keeping the items out of sequence did not matter, as they > would > still be found by the FreeBMD search engine. > > Richard Oliver > Madrid, Spain > r.oliver@arrakis.es > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Leek" <dave.leek@ntlworld.com> > To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 12:22 AM > Subject: Re: Out of Sequence error > > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jeff Coleman" <jeff.coleman@ntlworld.com> >> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:12 PM >> Subject: Re: Out of Sequence error >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Dave Leek" <dave.leek@ntlworld.com> >> > To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:48 PM >> > Subject: Out of Sequence error >> > >> > >> >>I am transcribing a page where a name is out of sequence. Within a >> >>surname, the first names go - Thomas, Rebecca, William. There is a >> >>faint >> >>'x' in the margin next to the wrongly positioned 'Rebecca' entry, and >> >>another faint 'x' near an entry above it (not quite at the correct >> >>insertion point!). >> >> >> >> Should I transcribe the entry in the correct place? >> >> > > > > > ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== > Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the > Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.18/230 - Release Date: > 14/01/2006 > >

It is purely for your use when using WinBMD. I assume some transcribers could use the clock to let them know when to take a break during their transcribing efforts. This information isn't available to anyone else and most certainly isn't clocked by the central system when you upload your File to FreeBMD. Allan Raymond FreeBMD Co-ordinator of Syndicates ----- Original Message ----- From: "CGG" <cgg1928b@ntlworld.com> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 15 January 2006 13:10 Subject: Transcribing Time on data entry form As a newbie to FreeBMD transcribing I am curious as to the thinking behind the registering of time spent transcribing at the bottom of the data entry form. After a period spent getting to grips with the viewer, etc. I noticed an unconciousable time clocked up in this field. Is the time registered here clocked up for/against me somewhere in the system? Cheers, Cliff of Coventry (Middle name 'Paranoid')

I don't know Cliff, but I'm hoping it isn't that the slowest transcriber gets the first round in at the next transcribers' party. (possible incentive scheme for the administrators to consider?) ----- Original Message ----- From: "CGG" <cgg1928b@ntlworld.com> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:10 PM Subject: Transcribing Time on data entry form > As a newbie to FreeBMD transcribing I am curious as to the thinking behind > the registering of time spent transcribing at the bottom of the data entry > form. After a period spent getting to grips with the viewer, etc. I > noticed an unconciousable time clocked up in this field. Is the time > registered here clocked up for/against me somewhere in the system? > > Cheers, > Cliff of Coventry > (Middle name 'Paranoid') > > > ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== > FreeBMD Transcribers homepage > http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/vindex.shtml > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

As a newbie to FreeBMD transcribing I am curious as to the thinking behind the registering of time spent transcribing at the bottom of the data entry form. After a period spent getting to grips with the viewer, etc. I noticed an unconciousable time clocked up in this field. Is the time registered here clocked up for/against me somewhere in the system? Cheers, Cliff of Coventry (Middle name 'Paranoid')

Dear All, I am surprised by the response here. I was told TWYS. In a similar situation- where the first names were out of sequence, my coordinator advised me to transcribe the way the scan has recorded it. It will still search. Shirley Simms

Thanks to those who've responded - that's cleared up the confusion in my oh, so confused mind! I'll have to get this UCF system under my belt before putting up another query! Happy transcribing! Ray. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matroushka" <matroushka@gmail.com> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: Re: missing vol. number (manuscript) - 1911B4-W-0319 > Hi Ray, > > If you look at the Help and Hints for Beginners (link below), it tells > you how to deal with this. If there is data missing from a field, > you use a question mark, and that's what you use to replace a missing > volume number. Accordingly, you should transcribe this entry as: > "Wynn Thomas W. Hill S.Shields,? Sep 30" - no #COMMENT is > required. Bear in mind that you only use a question mark when the > data is totally missing, not simply illegible. > > Link for help page: > http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/beginhelp.shtml > > Edwina. > > > On 1/15/06, Ray Harrowing <RAY@harrowing.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I've looked at knowledge base, but can't find guidance on this one - > > A handwritten entry at page foot (Births, 1911) shows "Wynn Thomas W. Hill S.Shields Sep 30" > > I'm OK on entering in the correct position, but the programme won't allow me to enter "S.Shields" without a vol. no. > > Would a #COMMENT on the next line be appropriate? > > > > Thanks > > > > Ray. > > > > > > ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== > > List archives > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/freebmd-admins > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > > ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== > Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the > Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Sorry to add my pennyworth to what to others looks like an open-and-shut case... but I have just given contrary advice to one of my syndicate transcribers, who asked: "On 1862D20553 scan, Wolfran and Richard Cottingham are recorded out of sequence. The compiler realised the mistake and has placed asterisks on either end of their surnames. I have kept the wrong order (TWYS) but do I include those asterisks in my transcription, which of course mean something different in Free BMD speak?" I replied that the asterisks should be ignored, as should the wrong ordering of forenames - on the grounds that the "correction" could have been made by anyone, official or otherwise, at any time before the scan was made. I also opined that keeping the items out of sequence did not matter, as they would still be found by the FreeBMD search engine. Richard Oliver Madrid, Spain r.oliver@arrakis.es ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Leek" <dave.leek@ntlworld.com> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 12:22 AM Subject: Re: Out of Sequence error > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Coleman" <jeff.coleman@ntlworld.com> > To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:12 PM > Subject: Re: Out of Sequence error > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dave Leek" <dave.leek@ntlworld.com> > > To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:48 PM > > Subject: Out of Sequence error > > > > > >>I am transcribing a page where a name is out of sequence. Within a > >>surname, the first names go - Thomas, Rebecca, William. There is a faint > >>'x' in the margin next to the wrongly positioned 'Rebecca' entry, and > >>another faint 'x' near an entry above it (not quite at the correct > >>insertion point!). > >> > >> Should I transcribe the entry in the correct place? > >>

Hi, I've looked at knowledge base, but can't find guidance on this one - A handwritten entry at page foot (Births, 1911) shows "Wynn Thomas W. Hill S.Shields Sep 30" I'm OK on entering in the correct position, but the programme won't allow me to enter "S.Shields" without a vol. no. Would a #COMMENT on the next line be appropriate? Thanks Ray.

Cliff I think its for our benefit, least I hope it is, sometimes I leave it running whilstin the middle of transcribing and go cook dinner, come back to it couple of hours later oooppss :-) Julie

Through some of my contacts I have had a response from Ancestry and they will update the number shown. They said that the number that they had current was a touch over 90 million. The discussion of the number at Ancestry and their current number is not the most relevant topic and it would be nice to draw it to a close. Thanks. Regards Andrew List-admin for FreeBMD-Admins mailing list -> Visit http://FreeBMD.rootsweb.com

Thanks to Jeff and to Dorothy for the responses. I will move the entry to its correct place alphabetically. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Coleman" <jeff.coleman@ntlworld.com> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:12 PM Subject: Re: Out of Sequence error >I haven't seen any other response, so may I refer you to >http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/vol_faq.html#6g which deals with insertions. > > In some handwritten pages the entries to be inserted appear as you > describe, further down (or up) the page, with a little mark by the > out-of-sequence entry and a similar mark where it ought to be inserted. > The mark is a bit like a x with a + superimposed, in many cases. > > As you suggest, put the entry in the 'right' place. At least, that is the > advice I would give in my syndicate to 'my' transcribers. > > Jeff > Co-ordinator of the Jeff Coleman syndicate of volunteer transcribers > working for FreeBMD. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Leek" <dave.leek@ntlworld.com> > To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:48 PM > Subject: Out of Sequence error > > >>I am transcribing a page where a name is out of sequence. Within a >>surname, the first names go - Thomas, Rebecca, William. There is a faint >>'x' in the margin next to the wrongly positioned 'Rebecca' entry, and >>another faint 'x' near an entry above it (not quite at the correct >>insertion point!). >> >> Should I transcribe the entry in the correct place? >> >> I think someone asked a similar question in December, but for some reason >> I did not see the answer. >> >> Thanks. >> >> > > > ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/freebmd-admins > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

I haven't seen any other response, so may I refer you to http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/vol_faq.html#6g which deals with insertions. In some handwritten pages the entries to be inserted appear as you describe, further down (or up) the page, with a little mark by the out-of-sequence entry and a similar mark where it ought to be inserted. The mark is a bit like a x with a + superimposed, in many cases. As you suggest, put the entry in the 'right' place. At least, that is the advice I would give in my syndicate to 'my' transcribers. Jeff Co-ordinator of the Jeff Coleman syndicate of volunteer transcribers working for FreeBMD. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Leek" <dave.leek@ntlworld.com> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: Out of Sequence error >I am transcribing a page where a name is out of sequence. Within a surname, >the first names go - Thomas, Rebecca, William. There is a faint 'x' in the >margin next to the wrongly positioned 'Rebecca' entry, and another faint >'x' near an entry above it (not quite at the correct insertion point!). > > Should I transcribe the entry in the correct place? > > I think someone asked a similar question in December, but for some reason > I did not see the answer. > > Thanks. > >

Dave following taken from Transcribers knowledge base - hope it helps. (g) In transcribing pages there is sometimes a hand-written entry at the foot of the page with a corresponding mark higher in the column. The question is do you a) insert the entry where it is shown that it should be b) insert the entry at the bottom of the column c) insert the entry at the end of the page If the appropriate point for insertion is shown by “x” dagger asterisk etc. then transcribe the extra record as if it was actually at that point (option a). If no insertion point is shown, then insert at the bottom of the page or column as shown on the manuscript. Dorothy Dave Leek <dave.leek@ntlworld.com> wrote: I am transcribing a page where a name is out of sequence. Within a surname, the first names go - Thomas, Rebecca, William. There is a faint 'x' in the margin next to the wrongly positioned 'Rebecca' entry, and another faint 'x' near an entry above it (not quite at the correct insertion point!). Should I transcribe the entry in the correct place? I think someone asked a similar question in December, but for some reason I did not see the answer. Thanks. ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== FreeBMD - http://FreeBMD.rootsweb.com ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Andrew With the greatest respect, I think it is very relevant that FreeBMD, in times of difficulty, is giving the impression that its users may access a copy of its database on Ancestry, when in fact that copy is 12 months out of date and missing 17% of the current record total. My original question remains: Does anyone know when Ancestry is planning to update its copy? I intend to say no more on the matter, but an answer would be welcome. Regards Barry Callaghan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Billinghurst" <billinghurst@tpg.com.au> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: [admin] RE: Ancestry database > Through some of my contacts I have had a response from Ancestry and > they will update the number shown. They said that the number that > they had current was a touch over 90 million. > > The discussion of the number at Ancestry and their current number is > not the most relevant topic and it would be nice to draw it to a > close. Thanks. > > Regards Andrew > List-admin for FreeBMD-Admins mailing list > -> Visit http://FreeBMD.rootsweb.com > > > ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== > Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the > Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

I am transcribing a page where a name is out of sequence. Within a surname, the first names go - Thomas, Rebecca, William. There is a faint 'x' in the margin next to the wrongly positioned 'Rebecca' entry, and another faint 'x' near an entry above it (not quite at the correct insertion point!). Should I transcribe the entry in the correct place? I think someone asked a similar question in December, but for some reason I did not see the answer. Thanks.

Surely this only happens when you use the Search box at the top (headed by the Word Advertisement)? I have just done a search using the Search button at the bottom of the FreeBMD Home Page and it showed the search was being done on the FreeBMD servers. I then repeated the search using the top Advertisement box and got the Ancestry.com server. (all using IE) -- Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "CMR" <cmr1ch6rd7@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 2:06 PM Subject: Re: Ancestry database > When doing a search on FreeBMD the actual server which is being queried > seems to be shown on the bottom LH corner of the screen. (This is using > Mozilla). Quite often it is "ancestry.com". So I wonder if a copy of the > database on ancestry is now included in the server network. > > Christopher Richards

Barry, OK - thanks for that. Any idea where the August 2004 of 100,000,000 comes from then (as this is the figure quoted on the FreeBMD site? If it is inclusive of 'total' records rather than 'distinct' records it tends to give a false impression of what has been done. I was already aware that incorrect records appear to be retained in the FreeBMD database even when the errors have been pointed out and corrected (I have already been bitten by this 'problem'). Stephen Rowe RaceTime / RaceNews Melbourne Australia Family Web: http://rowe.racetime.com.au web : http://www.racetime.com.au email: stephen@racetime.com.au -----Original Message----- From: Barry Callaghan [mailto:BarryC@dsl.pipex.com] Sent: Saturday, 14 January 2006 9:23 AM To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Ancestry database Stephen The figure comes from the 'Distinct' category in the FreeBMD entry totals for 27 Dec 2004. The definition of these reads as follows: "... the number of records counting multiple keyings of a record only once (i.e. this is the number of records that would be returned from a search)." It is these records I assume Ancestry holds as they clearly would not want millions of duplicates. Regards Barry

Barry, Where did you find the figure of 92 million for Dec 2004? FreeBMD's site gives the number of records at 24/8/2004 as 100,000,000 - although, if you plot the growth of records, this figure is out of whack with the growth in record numbers both before and after. Either way though - given the number of records as at Dec 5 2005 was 134,984,907 - this is more than twice the number Ancestry are stating. Stephen Rowe RaceTime / RaceNews Melbourne Australia Family Web: http://rowe.racetime.com.au web : http://www.racetime.com.au -----Original Message----- From: Barry Callaghan [mailto:BarryC@dsl.pipex.com] Sent: Friday, 13 January 2006 11:23 PM To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Ancestry database Allan As a comparative newcomer to the transcriber ranks, my first uploads were not until March 2005, but I can confirm that none of my transcriptions have yet made it onto Ancestry. However, you are correct to say that their total is much higher than 62 million. Taking Martin's date of 24 Dec 2004 as a guide, it seems likely that Ancestry's version of the database dates back to FreeBMD's update of 27 Dec 2004. At that time there were 92,560,889 distinct records on FreeBMD. So FreeBMD currently has 19 million more entries than Ancestry, representing 17% of the total. Regards Barry Callaghan

Stephen The figure comes from the 'Distinct' category in the FreeBMD entry totals for 27 Dec 2004. The definition of these reads as follows: "... the number of records counting multiple keyings of a record only once (i.e. this is the number of records that would be returned from a search)." It is these records I assume Ancestry holds as they clearly would not want millions of duplicates. Regards Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Rowe" <stephen@racetime.com.au> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 9:28 PM Subject: RE: Ancestry database > Barry, > > Where did you find the figure of 92 million for Dec 2004? FreeBMD's site > gives the number of records at 24/8/2004 as 100,000,000 - although, if you > plot the growth of records, this figure is out of whack with the growth in > record numbers both before and after. > > Either way though - given the number of records as at Dec 5 2005 was > 134,984,907 - this is more than twice the number Ancestry are stating. > > > Stephen Rowe > RaceTime / RaceNews > Melbourne Australia > Family Web: http://rowe.racetime.com.au > web : http://www.racetime.com.au > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Callaghan [mailto:BarryC@dsl.pipex.com] > Sent: Friday, 13 January 2006 11:23 PM > To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Ancestry database > > Allan > > As a comparative newcomer to the transcriber ranks, my first uploads were > not until March 2005, but I can confirm that none of my transcriptions > have > yet made it onto Ancestry. > > However, you are correct to say that their total is much higher than 62 > million. Taking Martin's date of 24 Dec 2004 as a guide, it seems likely > that Ancestry's version of the database dates back to FreeBMD's update of > 27 > Dec 2004. At that time there were 92,560,889 distinct records on FreeBMD. > So FreeBMD currently has 19 million more entries than Ancestry, > representing > 17% of the total. > > Regards > Barry Callaghan > > > ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== > Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the > Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >