I noted your e-mail about deaths in 1864. I already transcribe (done about 20,000). Are these records handwritten or typed (I prefer handwritten). In any case I am willing to transcribe a few sheets for you. Regards Peter Goggin -----Original Message----- From: Allan Raymond [mailto:allan_raymond@btinternet.com] Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2006 9:38 AM To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: 'black holes' Mike Jeff Coleman has pointed to you to the standard response to your query plus Dave Mayall has just responded in a similar vein. The "black holes" for births are now the top of my agenda and as soon as scans become available I can start allocating these to Syndicates. I have no date at the moment for arrival of these scans. However, I'm sure there is some poor soul looking to have the "black holes" for 1864 June/Sep Deaths filled in. With one of my other hats on I look after a number of "Orphan" Syndicates with the aim of filling in some of the "black holes". You are most welcome to help me out in transcribing 1864 June/Sep Deaths, just let me know off list if you are interested? I'm only taking on "experienced" volunteers to help out my "Orphan" syndicates and you fall into this category. You can still continue with your existing Syndicate(s) whilst helping me out. Allan Raymond FreeBMD Co-ordinator of Syndicates ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Canny" <mcanny1931@yahoo.co.uk> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 23 January 2006 19:08 Subject: 'black holes' Hi, Can someone please enlighten me as to why we are transcribing records well into the 20th century while there remain a number of 'holes' in the 19th century transcriptions? For example there are almost no births transcribed for the period 1854 to 1858 - and I'm sure I'm not the only one whose research is handicapped by this sort of gap. When I began transcribing, I had the impression that the first priority for FreeBMD was to complete the pre-1901 data - has this changed? Thanks Mike --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/freebmd-admins ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== Want to help FreeBMD? Go to http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/Signup.html to find out how. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/236 - Release Date: 20/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/236 - Release Date: 20/01/2006

I would think that's a curly bracket } (my interpretation only of course. Others may disagree) Eric >From: "L&CE Mackrill" <fishes2@bigpond.net.au> >Reply-To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com >To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Entry Query >Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:10:53 +1000 > >I agree it looks the same as the capital B's on the page but if it is >supposed to be page 1034B why has the B been placed between the lines and >not after the 4? What does the squiggle denote? > >Leonard >Scan2 >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Eric Archer" <e_r_archer@hotmail.com> >To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 5:55 PM >Subject: RE: Entry Query > > >: Hi Leonard >: >: I read this as 1034B. Looking further up the page I see a couple of >: instances of the transcribers capital B and it looks the same to me. >: >: Eric >: >: >: >: >From: "L&CE Mackrill" <fishes2@bigpond.net.au> >: >Reply-To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com >: >To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com >: >Subject: Entry Query >: >Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:56:30 +1000 >: > >: >Marriages 1858 Fourth Quarter page 90. >: >Between SLANEY, Mary and SLANN, Jane Elizabeth in the page column ther >is >a >: >squiggle with either capital B or the number 13. Could anyone tell me >how >I >: >should handle this please. >: > >: >Leonard Mackrill >: >Scan2 > > >==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== >Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the >Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors >at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk

Leonard The squiggle is a right handed brace, I would say, intended to indicate that the two lines should be taken together. As to why the author penned the 'B' on a separate line, maybe he was neat and didn't want to run over the column's right hand line? Or perhaps he was trying to make it stand out? Hope this helps. Robin ______________________________________________________________________________ From: "L&CE Mackrill" <fishes2@bigpond.net.au> Reply-To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Entry Query Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:10:53 +1000 I agree it looks the same as the capital B's on the page but if it is supposed to be page 1034B why has the B been placed between the lines and not after the 4? What does the squiggle denote? Leonard Scan2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Archer" <e_r_archer@hotmail.com> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 5:55 PM Subject: RE: Entry Query : Hi Leonard : : I read this as 1034B. Looking further up the page I see a couple of : instances of the transcribers capital B and it looks the same to me. : : Eric : : : : >From: "L&CE Mackrill" <fishes2@bigpond.net.au> : >Reply-To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com : >To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com : >Subject: Entry Query : >Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:56:30 +1000 : > : >Marriages 1858 Fourth Quarter page 90. : >Between SLANEY, Mary and SLANN, Jane Elizabeth in the page column ther is a : >squiggle with either capital B or the number 13. Could anyone tell me how I : >should handle this please. : > : >Leonard Mackrill : >Scan2 ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

This has been brought up before with FreeBMD but their response then, as it will no doubt be this time, was 'If you can't find it you shouldn't be using it' Yes I know - a callous answer, but the distinct impression I got when I was given this reply before was 'we designed this - don't question what we have done' Stephen Rowe RaceTime / RaceNews Melbourne Australia Family Web: http://rowe.racetime.com.au web : http://www.racetime.com.au email: stephen@racetime.com.au -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Richards [mailto:cmr1ch6rd7@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2006 4:31 AM To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: {not a subscriber} Attempted Correction Failure I wanted to support Marsha Stringer's comment about how difficult it is to spot the box to be ticked that says "I've read and understood where infomation about corrections must come from". I know it is there but still sometimes find it hard to spot. Would it be possible to redesign the form slightly so as to make it easier to see - without making it so easy that people tick it without reading the blurb. Christopher Richards ----- Original Message -----

Hi Leonard I read this as 1034B. Looking further up the page I see a couple of instances of the transcribers capital B and it looks the same to me. Eric >From: "L&CE Mackrill" <fishes2@bigpond.net.au> >Reply-To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com >To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Entry Query >Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:56:30 +1000 > >Marriages 1858 Fourth Quarter page 90. >Between SLANEY, Mary and SLANN, Jane Elizabeth in the page column ther is a >squiggle with either capital B or the number 13. Could anyone tell me how I >should handle this please. > >Leonard Mackrill >Scan2 > > >==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== >Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the >Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk

Thanks to Jeff, Dave and Allan for very informative replies. I can live with the situation knowing it's 'in hand'. Mike Dave Mayall <david.mayall@ukonline.co.uk> wrote: Quoting Michael Canny : > Hi, > > Can someone please enlighten me as to why we are transcribing records well > into the 20th century while there remain a number of 'holes' in the 19th > century transcriptions? For example there are almost no births transcribed > for the period 1854 to 1858 - and I'm sure I'm not the only one whose > research is handicapped by this sort of gap. When I began transcribing, I had > the impression that the first priority for FreeBMD was to complete the > pre-1901 data - has this changed? Priorities are a complex business, and what comes next is rarely as simple as we might wish! Broadly, we have three things which guide us; 1) In general, we want to transcribe earlier stuff first. 2) We must ensure that we always have new source available. 3) We need to get source available without vast cost. Earlier source (at 40 entries per page) as compared to later source (at 325 entries per page) is expensive in both time and money. Our strategy has centred on utilising the free scanning that has been made available by ACDB to best effect with a mix of older and newer source so as to minimise the amount of source that has had to be scanned commecially. I expect that this year will see us opening up some of the older years. -- Dave Mayall ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== Want to help FreeBMD? Go to http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/Signup.html to find out how. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now.

Quoting Ted Harding <ejh99@blueyonder.co.uk>: > Am I missing something here. Yes > Ancestry do not have a commercial product for BMD without access to FreeBMD Ancestry don't have a commercial product even with FreeBMD. It is a condition of their use of FreeBMD data that they provide access to it free of charge. > FreeBMD on the other is not dependent on Ancestry. Without the involvement of Ancestry, FreeBMD would have to spend a great deal more time and effort securing funding to keep the site up and running. > So why can't FreeBMD charge Ancestry for the COMMERCIAL use of FreeBMD. Use of FreeBMD data by Ancestry is governed by an agreement between both sides. This agreement includes a financial element. However.... 1) As with all commercial agreements, discussion of the full terms of that agreement in a public forum would be entirely inappropriate. 2) So far as the relationship between FreeBMD and Ancestry is not governed by commercial confidentiality, this list is not the place for such discussions (the discuss list is) Suffice it to say that our agreement with Ancestry is such as to be mutually beneficial. -- Dave Mayall ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net

Quoting Stephen Rowe <stephen@racetime.com.au>: > Dave, > > You are seeing it from the viewpoint of someone who uses that system > regularly or had a hand in designing it. Indeed, from the viewpoint of somebody who redesigned the form over many itterations to *finally* cut the utter dross out. > A first timer reading those instructions can, and will, get confused very > easily. Only the first timer who arrives with the attitude that "I want to tell them that they have the name wrong, because it's spelt differently in the Family Bible, and I don't need to read any damned instructions" > They are NOT clear; on modern sized screens the text is crowded and confused > and even if you DO read all the instructions, that particular section is NOT > easily identified. If you believe that you can make them clearer, then feel free to submit what they should look like. As to that section not being easiliy identified, I repeat what I said before. It is not designed so as to be easily spotted on skim reading the instructions. > I made the comment when I first read (and missed) this section - if any of > my programmers EVER submitted a screen design to me for a web page and > 'insisted' this is how it should be, he (or she) would be looking for a new > job straight away. If you can think of a better way, then feel free. However, any way which makes it less likely that people will read the instructions is unworkable. > This is a very narrow minded view that appears to come from someone or some > group who know everything and can never accept that maybe, just maybe, they > are wrong. I accept that the design is not the best of all possible designs. However, until such time as you can ensure that people won't ignore instructions, it is vital for our continued sanity. -- Dave Mayall ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net

Stephen I guess you'd be the first to complain about censorship if that happenned! Please read the email that Allan posted which explained which lists exist, and what their purpose is. They are not "distributed", people subscribe to the lists. It is quite a standard practice to move a discussion from an inappropriate list to an appropriate list. The place for discussions is the discuss list, as Dave wrote in the mail to which you replied (see below), and I refer you to Allan's email for details of how to subscribe or unsubscribe. Please desist from further emails on this subject on this list. Past experience shows that all that happens is that a number of people who are subscribed here for advice with their transcribing problems get fed-up with the amount of unwanted email and unsubscribe, or even leave the project. I hope you agree that this is the last thing you intend to happen, but if you reply here (by lazily pressing the Reply button instead of considering what you are doing) and not on the discuss list people must draw their own conclusions about your intentions. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Rowe" <stephen@racetime.com.au> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:48 AM Subject: RE: {not a subscriber} Attempted Correction Failure > Dave, > > With respect - the way these lists are distributed and named, one really has > no idea which list you are answering to or from. > > However, given the number of 'complaints' lately maybe it is about time the > 'admins' started to moderate or censor them before they go out. That should > stop the complaints, shouldn't it? > > > Stephen Rowe > RaceTime / RaceNews > Melbourne Australia > Family Web: http://rowe.racetime.com.au > web : http://www.racetime.com.au > email: stephen@racetime.com.au > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Mayall [mailto:david.mayall@ukonline.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2006 9:08 AM > To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: {not a subscriber} Attempted Correction Failure > > Quoting Stephen Rowe <stephen@racetime.com.au>: > > > This has been brought up before with FreeBMD but their response then, > > as it will no doubt be this time, was 'If you can't find it you > > shouldn't be using it' > > > > Yes I know - a callous answer, but the distinct impression I got when > > I was given this reply before was 'we designed this - don't question > > what we have done' > > Not at all. > > However, if you wish to question and argue the merits of what has been done, > the Admins list is not the place. Such discussions must take place on the > discuss list. > > > ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== > Want to help FreeBMD? > Go to http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/Signup.html to find out how. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

John, as soon as I find the time (between searching for others and transcribing for OGSPI and my family newsletter), I'll get in touch with you again, get trained and tested and get started. You can put me in charge of anything you wish. Nothing bothers me. Myra Herron ----- Original Message ----- From: John Slann<mailto:john.slann@btinternet.com> To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:26 AM Subject: Re: 'black holes' Dear Peter, I couldn't help responding to this, you can help my syndicate if you like!! Cheers John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Goggin" <prgoggin@swiftdsl.com.au<mailto:prgoggin@swiftdsl.com.au>> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:49 PM Subject: RE: 'black holes' >I noted your e-mail about deaths in 1864. I already transcribe (done > about 20,000). Are these records handwritten or typed (I prefer > handwritten). In any case I am willing to transcribe a few sheets for > you. > > Regards > > > Peter Goggin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Allan Raymond [mailto:allan_raymond@btinternet.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2006 9:38 AM > To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: 'black holes' > > Mike > > Jeff Coleman has pointed to you to the standard response to your query > plus Dave Mayall has just > responded in a similar vein. > > The "black holes" for births are now the top of my agenda and as soon as > scans become available I > can start allocating these to Syndicates. I have no date at the moment > for arrival of these scans. > > However, I'm sure there is some poor soul looking to have the "black > holes" for 1864 June/Sep Deaths > filled in. > > With one of my other hats on I look after a number of "Orphan" > Syndicates with the aim of filling in > some of the "black holes". > > You are most welcome to help me out in transcribing 1864 June/Sep > Deaths, just let me know off list > if you are interested? > > I'm only taking on "experienced" volunteers to help out my "Orphan" > syndicates and you fall into > this category. > > You can still continue with your existing Syndicate(s) whilst helping me > out. > > Allan Raymond > FreeBMD Co-ordinator of Syndicates > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Canny" <mcanny1931@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:mcanny1931@yahoo.co.uk>> > To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: 23 January 2006 19:08 > Subject: 'black holes' > > > Hi, > > Can someone please enlighten me as to why we are transcribing records > well into the 20th century > while there remain a number of 'holes' in the 19th century > transcriptions? For example there are > almost no births transcribed for the period 1854 to 1858 - and I'm sure > I'm not the only one whose > research is handicapped by this sort of gap. When I began transcribing, > I had the impression that > the first priority for FreeBMD was to complete the pre-1901 data - has > this changed? > > Thanks > > Mike > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with > voicemail > > > ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/freebmd-admins<http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/freebmd-admins> > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. 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Stephen When the correction screen was less cluttered people sent in abysmal corrections totally ignoring the advice given on the screen. It is because of this lack of reading the simple instructions that it was gradually necessary to add the tick box and other additions to the screen message. The correction screen was changed by an iterative process until the vast majority of corrections now received meet the requirements. The tick box was only added in August 2005 (in fact about a month before you made your first comment) because "a large percentage of individuals were not reading and conforming to the instructions associated with submission of corrections". The situation is now reversed in that the number of valid corrections is quite high. This sort of debate is proper to our DISCUSS list which I've copied to, if anyone has any further queries regarding the corrections process please post to the DISCUSS list. To join the DISCUSS list please subscribe via: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/lists.html which also give guidance on what is appropriate to each of our mailing lists. Luckily our programmers and all other individuals involved in FreeBMD give their time free so you would have one mighty task to make them look for a new job. Allan Raymond FreeBMD Co-ordinator of Syndicates ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Rowe" <stephen@racetime.com.au> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 24 January 2006 00:52 Subject: RE: {not a subscriber} Attempted Correction Failure Dave, You are seeing it from the viewpoint of someone who uses that system regularly or had a hand in designing it. A first timer reading those instructions can, and will, get confused very easily. They are NOT clear; on modern sized screens the text is crowded and confused and even if you DO read all the instructions, that particular section is NOT easily identified. I made the comment when I first read (and missed) this section - if any of my programmers EVER submitted a screen design to me for a web page and 'insisted' this is how it should be, he (or she) would be looking for a new job straight away. This is a very narrow minded view that appears to come from someone or some group who know everything and can never accept that maybe, just maybe, they are wrong. Stephen Rowe RaceTime / RaceNews Melbourne Australia Family Web: http://rowe.racetime.com.au web : http://www.racetime.com.au email: stephen@racetime.com.au -----Original Message----- From: Dave Mayall [mailto:david.mayall@ukonline.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2006 9:05 AM To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: {not a subscriber} Attempted Correction Failure In a word.... "no" The whole point of the box is that it shouldn't be easy to see at a glance. It should only be spotted by somebody who is reading the instructions. Trust me, if you had to read through the utter dross that used to be submitted by people who ignored the instructions, you'd see the point.

(This really belongs on the DISCUSS List) They do. (Sort of?) Look at FreeBMD's Home Page for the sponsors. Website hosted by The Bunker. Archive CD Books help with the scanning. Ancestry.co.uk (and I don't mean the advert at the very top of the page...) appear next. They get the data (belatedly) in return for sponsoring us, and their having the data also lifts a lot of the load from FreeBMD's servers, which must be worth a lot. And at the bottom of the page appears the strapline: FreeBMD is kindly sponsored by RootsWeb, www.Ancestry.co.uk and The Bunker One of the Trustees will be able to give a more complete answer I am sure. -- Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Harding" <ejh99@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:26 PM Subject: Ancestry and FreeBMD > Am I missing something here. > I subscribe to and use Ancestry every day for work on several family > trees. > It is excellent for census data but useless for BMD. > On the other hand I turn to FreeBMD when I have a real problem and the > answer is not in > a census form. > Ancestry do not have a commercial product for BMD without access to > FreeBMD > FreeBMD on the other is not dependent on Ancestry. > So why can't FreeBMD charge Ancestry for the COMMERCIAL use of FreeBMD. > Ted

Mike Jeff Coleman has pointed to you to the standard response to your query plus Dave Mayall has just responded in a similar vein. The "black holes" for births are now the top of my agenda and as soon as scans become available I can start allocating these to Syndicates. I have no date at the moment for arrival of these scans. However, I'm sure there is some poor soul looking to have the "black holes" for 1864 June/Sep Deaths filled in. With one of my other hats on I look after a number of "Orphan" Syndicates with the aim of filling in some of the "black holes". You are most welcome to help me out in transcribing 1864 June/Sep Deaths, just let me know off list if you are interested? I'm only taking on "experienced" volunteers to help out my "Orphan" syndicates and you fall into this category. You can still continue with your existing Syndicate(s) whilst helping me out. Allan Raymond FreeBMD Co-ordinator of Syndicates ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Canny" <mcanny1931@yahoo.co.uk> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 23 January 2006 19:08 Subject: 'black holes' Hi, Can someone please enlighten me as to why we are transcribing records well into the 20th century while there remain a number of 'holes' in the 19th century transcriptions? For example there are almost no births transcribed for the period 1854 to 1858 - and I'm sure I'm not the only one whose research is handicapped by this sort of gap. When I began transcribing, I had the impression that the first priority for FreeBMD was to complete the pre-1901 data - has this changed? Thanks Mike --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/freebmd-admins ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Quoting Michael Canny <mcanny1931@yahoo.co.uk>: > Hi, > > Can someone please enlighten me as to why we are transcribing records well > into the 20th century while there remain a number of 'holes' in the 19th > century transcriptions? For example there are almost no births transcribed > for the period 1854 to 1858 - and I'm sure I'm not the only one whose > research is handicapped by this sort of gap. When I began transcribing, I had > the impression that the first priority for FreeBMD was to complete the > pre-1901 data - has this changed? Priorities are a complex business, and what comes next is rarely as simple as we might wish! Broadly, we have three things which guide us; 1) In general, we want to transcribe earlier stuff first. 2) We must ensure that we always have new source available. 3) We need to get source available without vast cost. Earlier source (at 40 entries per page) as compared to later source (at 325 entries per page) is expensive in both time and money. Our strategy has centred on utilising the free scanning that has been made available by ACDB to best effect with a mix of older and newer source so as to minimise the amount of source that has had to be scanned commecially. I expect that this year will see us opening up some of the older years. -- Dave Mayall ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net

Quoting Stephen Rowe <stephen@racetime.com.au>: > This has been brought up before with FreeBMD but their response then, as it > will no doubt be this time, was 'If you can't find it you shouldn't be using > it' > > Yes I know - a callous answer, but the distinct impression I got when I was > given this reply before was 'we designed this - don't question what we have > done' Not at all. However, if you wish to question and argue the merits of what has been done, the Admins list is not the place. Such discussions must take place on the discuss list. -- Dave Mayall ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net

Quoting Christopher Richards <cmr1ch6rd7@blueyonder.co.uk>: > I wanted to support Marsha Stringer's comment about how difficult it is to > spot the box to be ticked that says "I've read and understood where > infomation about corrections must come from". > I know it is there but still sometimes find it hard to spot. > Would it be possible to redesign the form slightly so as to make it easier > to see - without making it so easy that people tick it without reading the > blurb. In a word.... "no" The whole point of the box is that it shouldn't be easy to see at a glance. It should only be spotted by somebody who is reading the instructions. Trust me, if you had to read through the utter dross that used to be submitted by people who ignored the instructions, you'd see the point. -- Dave Mayall ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net

Try http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/vol_faq.html#13j for the answer. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Canny" <mcanny1931@yahoo.co.uk> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:08 PM Subject: 'black holes' > Hi, > > Can someone please enlighten me as to why we are transcribing records > well into the 20th century while there remain a number of 'holes' in the > 19th century transcriptions? For example there are almost no births > transcribed for the period 1854 to 1858 - and I'm sure I'm not the only > one whose research is handicapped by this sort of gap. When I began > transcribing, I had the impression that the first priority for FreeBMD was > to complete the pre-1901 data - has this changed? > > Thanks > > Mike > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with > voicemail > > > ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== > List archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/freebmd-admins > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

May I make a plea on behalf of the 99% of the subscribers to the admin list that are neither affected by, nor interested in, the subject matter of recent e-mails. This weekend alone there were 30+ messages, all of which should have been dealt with off list. Having just checked, a further 10+ today. The admin list is for the dissemination of IMPORTANT information to transcribers. It is a bona fide use to request help but, having got a response, thereafter it should be one-to-one. I resent having to read and delete this pointless information: I have far better uses for my time. If this "world gone mad" scenario continues I for one shall "unsubscribe". That would, potentially, be my loss but that is better than this continuing time wasting. Can't management issue or re-affirm guidelines for the use of the admin list? Trevor ----- Original Message ----- From: anthony.gillett1@ntlworld.com<mailto:anthony.gillett1@ntlworld.com> To: FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 23 January 2006 07:43 Anthony i have had to rebuild my compurter and forgot to save the page for uploading pages to Derek and downloading file, could you send me the address for this page please. ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com<http://www.ntlworld.com/> Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security<http://www.ntlworld.com/security> for more information ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== Need to get a fast answer to your transcribing problems? Go to the Transcribers Knowledge Base at http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/vol_faq.html<http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/vol_faq.html> ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx>

Hi Louise & Tim, TWYS means Type what you see. Regards David Jenkins. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louise & Tim Atherton" <athertonlt@optusnet.com.au> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:44 PM Subject: Abbreviations > Could someone please inform me what TWYS means? > I have looked up all the email abbreviations & couldn't find it on any of > the website lists. > Louise > > > ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== > FreeBMD Transcribers homepage > http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/vindex.shtml > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

TWYP = Type what you see Regards Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louise & Tim Atherton" <athertonlt@optusnet.com.au> To: <FreeBMD-Admins-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:14 PM Subject: Abbreviations > Could someone please inform me what TWYS means? > I have looked up all the email abbreviations & couldn't find it on any of > the website lists. > Louise > > > ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== > FreeBMD Transcribers homepage > http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/vindex.shtml > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >