Hi I preserve my old photos by having them put onto Compact Disks "CD'S. Anyone interested in the procedure, contact me. Aubrey G. Cloud

You might try some of the methods you mentioned but I don't think you will get the copies you want. If the photos are good and clear and lie flat you might be able to scan them if you have someone knowledgeable enough to adjust everything to make them good. (This can be done in you computer and then printed out on photographic type paper We did some that were over 50 years old.) If you do decide to take them to a photographer, be sure to take them to someone who specializes in copying old pictures. A photographer ruined one of my friends old pictures trying to make it lie flat. He told her he could do this but did not have the skills. I would ask to see work the photographer has done. I just read your second post and don't believe the copier will get the results you want. Take a computer and a scanner to the reunion and scan the photographs. these can be adjusted to get clear copies later. We have several that are better than the originals after my granddaughter worked on shadowing, etc. (I wish I knew how.) Marianne Crews mjcrews@cimtel.net

There is probably no one single answer to the question of preserving old family photographs, because each of us has our own capability to bear costs associated with the technology and because some of us are more comfortable working with the technology and some of us just want somebody else to do it for us. But I will try to give an answer covering as much of this as possible. First, I would reject a photocopier (what many people call a "Xerox machine" out of hand. It simply does not make very good copies, and the paper generally used (recycled pulpwood) does not have a long life expectancy. But even in saying that, if it came down to making a "Xerox" copy or none at all... The "Xerox" photocopy would be infinitely superior. Second, there are two problems inherent in digital photography at this point in time that should be considered. They are the cost of a technically adequate camera, and the uncertain longevity of digital media. Digital cameras that are anywhere nearly as good in producing or reproducing an image as an ordinary 35 mm camera are quite expensive at this time... probably out of the price range of most people interested in preserving family pictures. The ordinary 35 mm camera makes a much better photograph than the digital cameras you see around at the $300 to $500 price range... although as with all technology this can and probably will change drastically for the better in just a few years. Digital scanners that are quite inexpensive can make a better quality copy than your run-of-the-mill digital camera, but copying pictures that are not entirely flat is a risky business at best on a scanner. You might damage the old photo, and a 35 mm camera would almost undoubtedly make a better copy. But the biggest problem with digital copies of any kind may be the lack of longevity of the digital media. Properly maintained in a temperature and humidity controlled environment, film... particularly black-and-white film, can be considered a "permanent" medium. The diskette or laser disk (CD ROM, whatever) may last 10 or 20 years, but there is more to be concerned about than survival of the medium itself. Film and traditional photography are technically simple processes that continue on with little change and the photo itself can be copied back to film with only a small loss of image clarity if well-done. But is the CD ROM as we know it going to be around in 20 years... 50 years... 100 years? Probably not. You might get around that by copying to new digital media as they arise, but woe to you if some granddaughter forgets to do that and your great grandson ends up with an unreadable digital record. <G> The analogy is with those 45 RPM single records you collected in the 1950s. Try sticking that in your CD player and playing it now. <G> My personal preference is to try to preserve photos both in film and digital forms. Over the long-long haul, there may be less loss of clarity with a digital copy... but from where we sit now, that is hard to say. To copy old photographs I would (and do) use a 35 mm SLR (Single Lens Reflex) camera. I recommend a SLR because you sight through the actual camera lens and there is no problem with parallax. Sighting through a separate but parallel sight device causes a small offset in what you see and what you get, and this problem is at its very worse on close-up photography such as copying old photos. Grandma's picture doesn't look so good when the top of her head is cut out of the copy. <G> You can use a camera that is not SLR, but if you do you should take it from farther away and leave a good space between the edge of the photo and the edge of your sight when taking the picture. You should use black and white film if the original photo is black and white. By using the smallest possible lens aperture you minimize the effects of any bending of the old photo or any other potential focusing problems. I recently copied my grandparents hand-colorized wedding picture (circa 1914). It has been in an oval frame with glass that curves out as much as two inches away from the picture in the center, and over the years the picture itself had sagged outwards towards the glass leaving a half inch of outward curvature around the edge of the picture and the center of the picture curved outwards about another half-inch. My copy is almost perfect... the main flaw being some damage to the water-colors, mostly where they chipped off around the edge of the frame. After great hesitation and concern I did take that picture out of the frame to copy it. I don't think it would have copied any other way. But in general it is a bad idea to take pictures out of the frame. Very often they are stuck to the glass and you lose chunks in the process of trying to separate the photo from the glass. I used a copy stand that I mostly built for myself using a base and upright given to me by a camera shop many years ago. You can buy portable copy stands at good camera shops, with lights included. I used pure natural sunlight and made the copies in my driveway. My advice is: Either make your own copies or take them to a reputable photographer to make them, but in any case making them with a film-type camera is best. Digital copies are handy to have too, though. Richard White Tallahassee AHall10643@aol.com wrote: > > Please post your answers to the list, I am interested and I imagine there > are others that are interested, also I am thinking about renting a copier to > take to a family reunion where I have thought about asking all participants to > bring their old pictures, any suggestions here? > > > Subj: Saving Old Family Photos > > Date: 2/27/99 6:44:13 AM Eastern Standard Time > > From: SForeh4055@aol.com > > To: FLORIDA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Hey Florida list members, I am in the process of trying to copy many > > old > > family photos and wanted to check with the Genealogy Community to see what > > the > > best meathod of copying would be. Most of the oldest photos are in the > > possession of grandparents and great aunts; however, many are hesitant > about > > loaning the old pictures out for professional copying. I have considered > > buying a portable copy-machine, digital camera or using my cam-corder and > > transferring the pictures on to my computer. All of this is very expensive. > > I > > feel I am running out of time, because several of the great-Aunts are in > > their > > mid to late 80's and not in the best health. What is the best way to go > > into > > a home and get good copyies that are of good quality? Has anyone elese ran > > into this Problem? I have about 200, pictures between 4 people that need to > > be > > copied and shared with the rest of the family, some of these pictures are > > over > > 70 years old!!!!! I know once these relative pass- on their children will > > divide the photos up and spread the originals out to all four corners of > the > > world. Now is the perfect time to document my photo heritage. Any > ideas????? > > Thanks so very much, Steven Glen Forehand of Panama City FL. > > > > > > > > >

OOPS!! Forgot!! The piece of clear glass is to put over the phots in case they are slightly curled. Holds them flat while you shoot them. Mary Ellen e-mail: mewexler@buffnet.net Co-host Okaloosa County FLGenWeb page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~flokaloo/Okaloosa.htm Edge mailing list: EDGE-L@rootsweb.com Harvey mailing list: HARVEY-L@rootsweb.com EDGE/HARVEY family page: http://www.buffnet.net/~mewexler/ Genealogy Help page: http://www.buffnet.net/~mewexler/help_pg.htm

I have had great results scanning old family photos, some over 100 yrs old. My siblings & cousins have been delighted with the results, some better than others, of course. The tough thing for me was to find a paper I liked. I don't like the glossy photo paper nearly as much as the HP matte photo paper. It comes in different sizes. Costs about $1.00 per sheet in 8.5 x 11. I use an HP 4100C, for which I paid 199. (I don't work for HP, but had another brand before this and really like this one.) For Christmas, I made photo albums for my siblings with my scans. Being the oldest, and the family genealogist, I wound up with most of the family pics, so it seemed only fair to share them. I persuaded a cousin in Ocala to lend me some others (she was reluctant) and returned them to her in a notebook with copies (and originals, of course) in plastic pages, along with a family tree print out. I'm hoping that will inspire her to lend me some more, but am trying not to be pushy! The old family home in Ocala has been restored (no longer owned by family) and my cousin took copies of my scans of our grandparents to the new owner, which I assume he is now displaying. I also sent some of the scans (via the internet ) to a cousin in VA whom I have never met. So, you see, there is no end to the possibilities & pleasures of scanning old pictures!! Sorry this is so long, but I AM enthusiatic about this. I'm not an expert but will be glad to try answer questions. Peggy Munroe peggy@talstar.com -----Original Message----- From: AHall10643@aol.com <AHall10643@aol.com> To: FLORIDA-L@rootsweb.com <FLORIDA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, February 27, 1999 7:54 AM Subject: Re: Saving Old Family Photos >Please post your answers to the list, I am interested and I imagine there >are others that are interested, also I am thinking about renting a copier to >take to a family reunion where I have thought about asking all participants to >bring their old pictures, any suggestions here? > >> Subj: Saving Old Family Photos >> Date: 2/27/99 6:44:13 AM Eastern Standard Time >> From: SForeh4055@aol.com >> To: FLORIDA-L@rootsweb.com >> >> Hey Florida list members, I am in the process of trying to copy many >> old >> family photos and wanted to check with the Genealogy Community to see what >> the >> best meathod of copying would be. Most of the oldest photos are in the >> possession of grandparents and great aunts; however, many are hesitant >about >> loaning the old pictures out for professional copying. I have considered >> buying a portable copy-machine, digital camera or using my cam-corder and >> transferring the pictures on to my computer. All of this is very expensive. >> I >> feel I am running out of time, because several of the great-Aunts are in >> their >> mid to late 80's and not in the best health. What is the best way to go >> into >> a home and get good copyies that are of good quality? Has anyone elese ran >> into this Problem? I have about 200, pictures between 4 people that need to >> be >> copied and shared with the rest of the family, some of these pictures are >> over >> 70 years old!!!!! I know once these relative pass- on their children will >> divide the photos up and spread the originals out to all four corners of >the >> world. Now is the perfect time to document my photo heritage. Any >ideas????? >> Thanks so very much, Steven Glen Forehand of Panama City FL. >> >> > >> >> > >

Peggy... In a word "YES". You have to go sifting back through time to any previous county's records if your ancestor lived in a county split off from an earlier county. It is even more complicated if you find a record in a particular county that later split, but you do not know which part of the original county the person(s) lived in. You also need to be aware of any burned courthouses... and other wrinkles in the record. RW Peggy Munroe wrote: > > On the wonderful Alachua Co page maintained by Jim Powell, there are maps of > FL dating back to 1824. If, for instance, someone was born in the Tampa Bay > area when that was part of Alachua Co, would those records still show up in > Alachua Co? > > Peggy Munroe

If you have a good regular camers, get a set of extension lenses (sometimes called closeup lenses) a tripod and a piece of clear glass. Should cost under $75 for the whole kit. You then photograph each one onsite and you'll have the added bonus of negatives. Sending it to a place that uses Kodak's processing will give you another usefull item -- a thumnail of each photo. You can take that and copy it to distribute to relatives and ask if they want copies, or if they can identify some of the folks. Good luck! Mary Ellen e-mail: mewexler@buffnet.net Co-host Okaloosa County FLGenWeb page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~flokaloo/Okaloosa.htm Edge mailing list: EDGE-L@rootsweb.com Harvey mailing list: HARVEY-L@rootsweb.com EDGE/HARVEY family page: http://www.buffnet.net/~mewexler/ Genealogy Help page: http://www.buffnet.net/~mewexler/help_pg.htm

Need information on a Asa Holt Shepard married to a Catherine Chestnutt. Thanks. Annette in Florida

Please post your answers to the list, I am interested and I imagine there are others that are interested, also I am thinking about renting a copier to take to a family reunion where I have thought about asking all participants to bring their old pictures, any suggestions here? > Subj: Saving Old Family Photos > Date: 2/27/99 6:44:13 AM Eastern Standard Time > From: SForeh4055@aol.com > To: FLORIDA-L@rootsweb.com > > Hey Florida list members, I am in the process of trying to copy many > old > family photos and wanted to check with the Genealogy Community to see what > the > best meathod of copying would be. Most of the oldest photos are in the > possession of grandparents and great aunts; however, many are hesitant about > loaning the old pictures out for professional copying. I have considered > buying a portable copy-machine, digital camera or using my cam-corder and > transferring the pictures on to my computer. All of this is very expensive. > I > feel I am running out of time, because several of the great-Aunts are in > their > mid to late 80's and not in the best health. What is the best way to go > into > a home and get good copyies that are of good quality? Has anyone elese ran > into this Problem? I have about 200, pictures between 4 people that need to > be > copied and shared with the rest of the family, some of these pictures are > over > 70 years old!!!!! I know once these relative pass- on their children will > divide the photos up and spread the originals out to all four corners of the > world. Now is the perfect time to document my photo heritage. Any ideas????? > Thanks so very much, Steven Glen Forehand of Panama City FL. > > > >

Hey Florida list members, I am in the process of trying to copy many old family photos and wanted to check with the Genealogy Community to see what the best meathod of copying would be. Most of the oldest photos are in the possession of grandparents and great aunts; however, many are hesitant about loaning the old pictures out for professional copying. I have considered buying a portable copy-machine, digital camera or using my cam-corder and transferring the pictures on to my computer. All of this is very expensive. I feel I am running out of time, because several of the great-Aunts are in their mid to late 80's and not in the best health. What is the best way to go into a home and get good copyies that are of good quality? Has anyone elese ran into this Problem? I have about 200, pictures between 4 people that need to be copied and shared with the rest of the family, some of these pictures are over 70 years old!!!!! I know once these relative pass- on their children will divide the photos up and spread the originals out to all four corners of the world. Now is the perfect time to document my photo heritage. Any ideas????? Thanks so very much, Steven Glen Forehand of Panama City FL.

Hey Man, no question was as dumb as my Sonville question last week! Sue Ann >On the wonderful Alachua Co page maintained by Jim Powell, there are maps of >FL dating back to 1824. If, for instance, someone was born in the Tampa Bay >area when that was part of Alachua Co, would those records still show up in >Alachua Co? > >Peggy Munroe > -------------------------------------------------------------- Sue Ann Sanders sasanders@wisc-dtp.com WebMaster Wisconsin Desktop Publishing Rootsweb Sponsor SANDERS, PHILLIPS, COPELAND, WALLS --------------------------------------------------------------

On the wonderful Alachua Co page maintained by Jim Powell, there are maps of FL dating back to 1824. If, for instance, someone was born in the Tampa Bay area when that was part of Alachua Co, would those records still show up in Alachua Co? Peggy Munroe

This has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with genealogy, but I could not resist. Forgive me!!! >WHAT'S Y'ALL'S SIGN? It has become pretty obvious to us Southerners that >our present astrological signs have served their purpose and that we >should get rid of them. When I'm out driving around I'll see bulls, and >once in a great while I suppose I'll even see a ram. Up the street from >me there's some twins, but I don't see them much. The rest of these >things are just too obscure. You only see crabs on vacation. There are >no lions or scorpions, not many archers and no water bearers. SO, what >we need here is some relevance. We need things we can recognize up there >in the night sky. > > >************************************************** > YOUR >SOUTHERN HOROSCOPE > >OKRA -- Dec 22 - Jan 20 Although you appear crude, you are actually very >slick on the inside. Okrans have tremendous influence. An older Okra can >look back over his life and see the seeds of his influence everywhere. >Stay away from Moon Pies. > >CHITLIN -- Jan 21 - Feb 19 Chitlins often come from humble backgrounds. >Many times they're uncomfortable talking about just where they came >from. A chitlin, however, can make something of himself if he's >motivated and has plenty of seasoning. When it comes to dealing with >Chitlins, be very careful. Chitlins can burn and then erupt like >Vesuvius, and this can make for a really terrible mess. Chitlins are >best with Catfish and Okra. Remember that when marriage time rolls >around. > >BOLL WEEVIL -- Feb 20 - Mar 20 You have an overwhelming curiosity. >You're unsatisfied with the surface of things, and you feel the need to >bore deep into the interior of everything. Needless to say, you are very >intense and driven as if you had some inner hunger. Nobody in their >right mind is going to marry you, so don't worry about it. > >MOON PIE -- Mar 21 - Apr 20 You're the type that spends a lot of time on >the front porch. It's a cinch to recognize the physical appearance of >Moon Pies. "Big" and "round" are the key words here. You should marry >anybody who you can get remotely interested in the idea. It's not going >to be easy. This might be the year to think about aerobics. Maybe not. > >POSSUM -- Apr 21 - May 21 When confronted with life's difficulties, >possums have a marked tendency to withdraw and develop a "don't - bother >- me - about -it" attitude. Sometimes you become so withdrawn, people >actually think you're dead. This strategy is probably not >psychologically healthy, but seems to work for you. One day, however, it >won't work, and you may find your problems actually running you over. > >CRAWFISH -- May 22 - Jun 21 Crawfish is a water sign. If you work in an >office, you're always hanging around the water cooler. Crawfish prefer >the beach to the mountains, the pool to the golf course, the bathtub to >the living room. You tend not to be particularly attractive physically, >but you have very good heads. > >COLLARDS -- Jun 22- Jul 23 Collards have a genius for communication. >They love to get in the "melting pot" of life and share their essence >with the essences of those around them. Collards make good social >workers, psychologists, and baseball managers. As far as your personal >life goes, if you are Collards, stay away from Moon Pies. It just won't >work. Save yourself a lot of heartache. > >CATFISH -- Jul 24 - Aug 23 Catfish are traditionalists in matters of the >heart, with one exception: Whiskers may cause problems for loved ones. >You catfish are never easy people to understand. You prefer the muddy >bottoms to the clear surface of life. Above all else, Catfish should >stay away from Moon Pies. > >GRITS -- Aug 24 - Sep 23 Your highest aim is to be with others like >yourself. You like to huddle together with a big crowd of other Grits. >You love to travel, though, so maybe you should think about joining a >club. Where do you like to go? Anywhere they have cheese or gravy or >bacon or butter or eggs. If you can go somewhere where they have all >these things, that serves you well. > >BOILED PEANUTS -- Sep 24 - Oct 23 You have a passionate desire to help >your fellow man. Unfortunately, those who know you best - your friends >and loved ones - may find that your personality is much too salty, and >their criticism will probably affect you deeply because you are really >much softer than you appear. You should go right ahead and marry anybody >you want to because in a certain way, yours is a charmed life. On the >road of life, you can be sure that people will always pull over and stop >for you. > >BUTTER BEAN -- Oct 24 - Nov 22 Always invite a Butter Bean because >Butter Beans get along well with everybody. You, as a Butter Bean, >should be proud. You've grown on the vine of life and you feel at home >no matter what the setting. You can sit next to anybody. However, you, >too, shouldn't have anything to do with Moon Pies. > >ARMADILLO -- Nov 23 - Dec 21 You have a tendency to develop a tough >exterior, but you are actually quite gentle. A good evening for you? Old >friends, a fire, some roots, fruit, worms and insects. You are a >throwback. You're not concerned with today's fashions and trends. You're >not concerned with anything about today. You're really almost >prehistoric in your interests and behavior patterns. You probably want >to marry another Armadillo, but Possum is another, somewhat kinky, >mating possibility. > > > >

Looking for information on Jerry KEELEY,I don't know anything about him other than he was born in Oakley,Hazelton, Haley Idaho.1900s movedto San ose,CA. married and had a son named Dale divorced and remarried moved to Florida and I think he died there.also looking for spouse and children by second wife. Thank you Happy

HELLO FOLKS, WE ARE SEARCHING FOR DESCENDANTS AND AFFILIATED FAMILIES OF JOSEPH TANNER AND MARY ANN UNKNOWN, CHILDREN (1) ISHAM T., (2) ELLIFAIR T., (3) WILLIAM R. T. b 1831 m. MARY HART, (4) THOMAS TANNER. WE HAD KNOWN FAMILY LIVING IN THE MONTICELLO JEFFERSON CO FL UNTIL ABT 1918. I AM A DIRECT DESCENDANT OF WILLIAM R. TANNER AND WOULD APPRECIATE ANY INFO WHICH YOU MAY HAVE TO SHARE. ALSO SEARCHING COLLATERAL LINES OF: HART - TANNER - PRICE - SAULS - BARNS - BARRETT - ANDERSON - KIFF - DAVIS IN BOTH JEFFERSON CO FL AND THOMAS CO GA. YOURS RELATIVELY STEVE TANNER STFLA@JUNO.COM ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Need information on a Sauls married to a Margaret ??? Moved to Jefferson Co. about 1850.

I need a lookup as well for Clarence Buford Sherwood, Sr. who died probably in 1965. He was a resident of Miami, FL. A marriage and/or death/obit would be welcome. Jennifer Sherwood Braswell ---------- > From: Waynanc@aol.com > To: FLORIDA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: DADE COUNTY OBIT LOOKUP > Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 1:37 AM > > I need someone willing to lookup and email or send me the information in the > obituary of: > Kenneth DIEMER > DIED: Dade County (probably Miami) 14 Feb. 1972 >

I am putting my surname list up again hoping to maybe get some information. ECROYD, any and all ECROYD, Elizabeth may have moved to Leon County, Florida after 1903 ECROYD, James (b-1846 England, disappeared after 1864 from PA. ACROYD, any and all BOND, descendants from William, sr (1783-1862 ) BRELAND, Descendants from Absalom ( 1750-1830-35) BRELAND, Pauline (husband died in 1898, Perry County, Mississippi ) CRENSHAW, Gus, Gussie, Wylie ( last known information he died in 1969 but do not know where, most possible Mobile, Alabama. Would someone be so kind and see if they can find death obit in the Mobile paper for January 1969 ? Dowie Owner of mail-list ECROYD-L@rootsweb or ECROYD-D@rootsweb

Hello Everyone, Just started researching this branch of the old family tree. Nathaniel Green Renfroe married Mary Crews July 11, 1860 in Levy County, FL. They had a daughter (my Great Grandmother) Lucretia Evelina Renfroe on October 31, 1861. Since Nathaniel and Mary Crews were not together in 1866, as Nathaniel married Mary Wilkinson (guess he liked the name Mary), I'm needing to know what happened to Mary Crews Renfroe. Verbal family history says her mother was Mary Ann Tyer b. May 20, 1830 in Bartow, Florida. Would there be divorce records for this period of time? And would love to find parents of both these people. If these sound familiar, please e-mail me at worldview@mediaone.net. Thanks in advance for any help. Brenda Collins Researching Florida; Crews, Elliott, Faulkner, Hart, Herring, Taylor, Tyer

I need someone willing to lookup and email or send me the information in the obituary of: Kenneth DIEMER DIED: Dade County (probably Miami) 14 Feb. 1972