Marianne, 1- David Copeland does not appear in the index for 1877-1916. These are very scattered and spotty early records. All forty years' worth of extant records are indexed on ten microfiche. 2- If the two Tanners are listed (not very likely), they are on fiche #9 of the ten. That fiche is missing, misfiled, or stolen. The Jacksonville Public Library would probably check their copy for you. Don't be overly optimistic about finding them, though. 3- Have you tried the mortality schedule of the 1880 US census? If David Copeland died in FL in the year preceding the actual census enumeration, he SHOULD be in the mortality census (no guarantees, of course). 4- There are some published cemetery surveys or indexes, I think, for Tampa and Hillsborough County. I would query the Special Collections folks at the Tampa Public Library if I were you. Allbest, Brian Michaels *********************************************** James Crews wrote: > > Dear Brian, > Would you please check the FL death records indexes for: > > 1. David Copeland -b. SC-We have been told he disappeared in June 1879 and > would like to know if a death was reported about then. He lived in Columbia > Co. this man was my great grandfather and no one would ever talk about > this. I am having no luck locating him and decided this is a long shot but > who knows at this point? > > 2. Alfred Tanner-b. NC or VA died 1887-88. He is buried in Hillsborough > Co. I need to get a death certificate hoping to learn his parents names. > > 3. William Charles Tanner-b. NC, died in Tampa, Fl. 1903-04. I need to > know if the death certificate is on file. > > Thank you for your time. > > Marianne Crews > mjcrews@cimtel.net

Rhonda, I checked 1925-29 and 1935-39. I found several Creals and Creels. There were Willies, Sarahs, Levis, Harriets, Ellas, Ray Huldens, Marys, Beulahs, Lotties, Charleses, D.C.s, B.F.s, and one Charles Erastus. They were spread all over the state. Anybody sound familiar? There was no William H. There was a William L. ("white male") in '28 in Escambia (Pensacola, county seat). There was a William J. in 1929. There was a William Creal ("black male") in Liberty in 1937. If this were my problem, I would check the 1935 Florida state census in the most likely counties suggested by family members or known locations. If you find him there, we've looked too early; if you don't find him, it doesn't prove anything. Unfortunately, 1935 is not indexed, but if you know about where to look it can be done. Have you found him in the 1920? The USPC of Florida is indexed for 1900, 1910, and 1920. The 1930 won't be released until 2002. Have you tried city directories where he lived--or deeds--or tax rolls--or voting rolls--or the probate court in his county? Wish I could have found him for you. Good luck.... --Brian Michaels ***************************************************** Rhonda D King wrote: > > Brian, > I saw your reply to Bobbye and was just wondering if I too might impose > on you to check something for me in Fl. My gggrandfather was William H. > Creel. My mother said she thought William H. Creel died around the time > she was born which was 1931. However checking the years 1930-1934 > revealed no listing in the Fl. death index. Since Creel is not one of > the top ten names in the US, do you think you could check the years > 1925-1929 and maybe 1935-1939. If this is asking too much please just > reply to me personally and I will understand. I am a little embarassed > asking you to do this for mr because I do realize it is a major > undertaking. > Thanks for taking the time to read this, > Rhonda

Rob, unfortunately, the 1967-vintage FL Death Index lists only what you already have: "3/67." And that's also what the SSI Death Index has. The FL record is in vol. 2936, cert. #15598, however, and that should answer your question--for a few bucks paid to the Vital Statistics folks. I should think that the Orange County Public Library might have an index that could help. Failing that, they may be able to give you the address of the most likely newspaper whose film or morgue might help. Or some exceedingly kind soul near Orlando or near the P.K. Yonge Library newspaper collection in Gainesville might be willing to run through the SENTINEL for the month until he or she finds it. Best I can do; Good Luck! --Brian Michaels ********************************************** Rob Gregg wrote: > > I am looking for information about HARRY MILLS GREGG, born 25 April 1885 in > Goffstown, Hillsboro, NH; married 28 September 1914 in Goffstown Margaret > M. O'Brien; their issue was Margaret Mary born 13 May 1916; died ? March > 1967 in Maitland, Orange, FL. His last known residence was Winter Park, > Orange, FL. > > I am specifically looking for this information. > 1. Exact date of his death, and location of burial. > 2. Any information about his wife's death. > 3. Any information about their daughter. > > Perhaps someone would be good enough to research his obituary. > > Thank you for your help. > > Rob Gregg > Medfield, MA

I would like to kindly request we keep politics and sports out of this column. Thanks. Bobbie

Am I the only one upset with Mr. Oliver's "America's First Families" posts to the FL list? Have visited his site quite a few times. Right or wrong, have surmised,from his site for $ amount, you can get a fancy certificate that says you descend from one of America's first families as listed on Mr. Oliver's web page. From what I've seen so far, Mr. Oliver is building a database from folks that have sent gedcoms of their ancestry. Mr. Oliver's recent post to this list mentions a FL descendant who "nominated an ancestor" and he was inducted into "America's First Families". Anne

Anne, I have been to this site and searched and searched. But couldn't find any individual ones of James Calkins. And group shots usually don't list everyone. I'm not done with this site though. I think the photos and other stuff in the archives is really neat. Thanks for your help. And who said Gator fans weren't too smart? (must have been my mother - a FSCW/FSU grad) Sue Ann >I'm another Gator offering Sue help <G>. The FL State Library has a web site >for their photographic collection. Probably not all they have but worth a >try. URL is > >http://www.dos.state.fl.us/fpc/ > >Anne in "Gator Country" -------------------------------------------------------------- Sue Ann Sanders Duval Co, FL GenWeb Coordinator sasanders@wisc-dtp.com http://www.rootsweb.com/~flduval Rootsweb Sponsor SANDERS, PHILLIPS, COPELAND, WALL --------------------------------------------------------------

Anne, good idea! Mr. Calkins is not indexed in the card file in the collection at all, and the photos I found don't appear to be online. There is something on the order of 1% of the holdings on at present (as of yesterday), according to Jody Norman of the Photographic Collection, but they're scanning madly and it's growing all the time. Periodic rechecks are certainly in order! As we say "round here," "Go, Gators!" Brian (Palatka, 45 miles east of "The Swamp") ******************************************** afutch wrote: > > Brian wrote; > > >"Go, Noles?" Sue Ann, my dear, we Gators are ALWAYS happy to tell the > >"noles" where they can go! > > > >I've just returned from a foray into enemy territory, and while I was at > >the state archives I checked the photographic collection. Found montage > >photos of the members of the Florida House of Representatives for 1907 > >and 1909, with James Ernest Calkins in both. In 1907, lots of hair; > >1909, less hair. Found him in similar pieces when Senate > >president-pro-tempore in 1915 (much less hair) and as member in 1921 > >(still less hair). > > I'm another Gator offering Sue help <G>. The FL State Library has a web site > for their photographic collection. Probably not all they have but worth a > try. URL is > > http://www.dos.state.fl.us/fpc/ > > Anne in "Gator Country"

Bobbye, I'll be happy to check the index for you. Unfortunately, though, I'll need some close estimates of death dates. The index is mostly year by year and on microfiche. And since Williams is one of the top ten US surnames by frequency, there'll be bunches of each of them--more than one might reasonably expect to be able to sort out. If you can give me some better parameters, I'll do my best. Good luck! --Brian Michaels (Palatka, FL) *************************************************************** BOBBYE wrote: > > Would some some please look on the Fl. death index for death dates of > : > Fletcher Williams born in Al. @ 1823 > Hannah Williams born @ in Ga. about 1839 > Wilson C. Williams born Ga. @1803-4 > > Fletcher Williams born Fl. @1870-71 > James Williams born Fl. @ 1876-77 > Walter william born Fl. @ 1870-71 > Any help greatly appreciated. I am a long way from Florida. > Bobbye

BettyMae, New River (now Bradford, post-1861) was created by a law passed on 21 Dec 1858 from Columbia County; probably actual birthdate was c. February of 1859. There have been at least five boundary changes, including creation of Baker and Union from Bradford. They are clearly depicted in what I consider the new authority on such matters, FLORIDA ATLAS OF HISTORICAL COUNTY BOUNDARIES, ed. John H. Long, 1997 (one of a wonderful new series of state volumes from the Newberry Library and Scribner's). I've copied the three most-pertinent pages for you, which I'll send if you'll give me your snail address. Hope this will help. Brian Michaels (Palatka) ****************************************** BettyMaeS@aol.com wrote: > > New River Co., FL was created in 1858 from what county? > > Part of New River Co., FL went to Bradford Co., FL and part went to Baker Co., > FL in 1861. > > We looked in the New Genealogical Helper and it did not show were New River > came from. > > Thanks Betty

Pat, Heavenly days, no! Of course, it's not MY list--I'm just a subscriber--but I think I can safely say that one is not restricted, even by custom, from asking for help on collaterals. It is certainly acceptable--indeed, appropriate--to ask for whatever you need. Since you have only been with us two days, you had not seen the several exchanges between me and Sue Ann. I made a number of suggestions and have happily checked several things for her and sent the results. The reason for the question was my horrendous schedule at the moment. I was trying to determine whether I should attempt to access several books in the Florida Collection at the State Library in Tallahassee, (books which I would have checked yesterday before leaving had they not been closed) or just send her the bibliographic entries and let her request them through ILL. If Mr. Calkins had been a direct-line ancestor, I would have gotten the library to send the books (180 miles) to me and I would have copied any resulting entries and snailed them to her. The reason for the distinction in my world is that the most urgent requests--to my mind, at least--are those dealing with direct lines. I'll shortly be sending Sue Ann a packet of several things which I hope will be helpful, but I'll just send the other citations to her so that the library staff can simply copy any references to Mr. Calkins and send them directly to her, saving both me and the library some precious moments. I hope that Sue Ann was not put off by that question; I'll help any way that I can, any time, collateral or direct. And I'm sorry if my question implied in any way that I or any other listers might "treat you badly" or that collaterals are in any way off-limits (even for 'Noles). Thanks for the opportunity to clarify! I'll take the liberty of posting this to the list, too, in case I inadvertently misled anybody else. --Brian in Palatka ****************************************** Pat Stoewe wrote: > > Hi > I am really new to your list...2 days... but not new to genealogy or > other lists and was wondering if I might ask you a question? > > I just saw your response to Sue Ann and am wondering if it is only > appropriate to ask for assistance if it is for a direct ancestor, rather > than a collateral line. This is not sarcastic. Every list works > differently and I do not want to ask for assistance and be treated > badly. So, was hoping you might give me some guidance and keep me from > being flamed or, in the least, embarrassed. > > Thanks > Pat > PS...I am the mother of a 'Nole and a Gator, so have no real allegiance!

Brian wrote; >"Go, Noles?" Sue Ann, my dear, we Gators are ALWAYS happy to tell the >"noles" where they can go! > >I've just returned from a foray into enemy territory, and while I was at >the state archives I checked the photographic collection. Found montage >photos of the members of the Florida House of Representatives for 1907 >and 1909, with James Ernest Calkins in both. In 1907, lots of hair; >1909, less hair. Found him in similar pieces when Senate >president-pro-tempore in 1915 (much less hair) and as member in 1921 >(still less hair). I'm another Gator offering Sue help <G>. The FL State Library has a web site for their photographic collection. Probably not all they have but worth a try. URL is http://www.dos.state.fl.us/fpc/ Anne in "Gator Country"

Caleb CHURCH (1646-c1722) of Massachusetts has been inducted into AMERICA'S FIRST FAMILIES ANCESTOR ROLL OF HONOR. Caleb CHURCH was nominated by his 12th Generation Great Grandson , Graham Ingersoll WARDEN of Satellite Beach, Florida Interested parties may view the brief bio and listings of children of Caleb CHURCH and other early Ancestors at America's First Families web site at. http://www.linkline.com/personal/xymox/ On the opening page, scroll down almost to the bottom where you will find the Ancestor Roll of Honor. Enjoy Harold Oliver Director

Sharon, A.G. Broward is listed as having died in Jacksonville in 1922. His death is recorded in Volume 157, Certificate 6576. Jax Public Library's Florida Room has index to FLORIDA TIMES-UNION and can probably provide an obituary microprint through Interlibrary Loan. Phone orders won't do, they tell me. Good luck! Brian Michaels in Palatka ********************************************* sadav wrote: > > Can someone please tell me if A. G. BROWARD d. 15 July 1922 is on the > Florida Death Index. > Need to confirm to order death record. Thanks for your help. > > Sharon Broward Davis

I am looking for information about HARRY MILLS GREGG, born 25 April 1885 in Goffstown, Hillsboro, NH; married 28 September 1914 in Goffstown Margaret M. O'Brien; their issue was Margaret Mary born 13 May 1916; died ? March 1967 in Maitland, Orange, FL. His last known residence was Winter Park, Orange, FL. I am specifically looking for this information. 1. Exact date of his death, and location of burial. 2. Any information about his wife's death. 3. Any information about their daughter. Perhaps someone would be good enough to research his obituary. Thank you for your help. Rob Gregg Medfield, MA

>Who was J.E. Calkins to you, anyway? Well, Mr. Calkins was my ggUncle (I believe). He was my greatGrandmother's (May (Calkins) Phillips Randle's) brother. Sometimes I get my "great's" mixed up. Seems my Calkins and Phillips lines were pretty much city-slickers (compared to the FL rednecks on my Father's side). The Phillips that May married (Walter Myles Phillips) ended up being the Mayor of Jacksonville Beach. So, if he hadn't of died so abruptly... I could've been famous or wealthy or both. Oh well... Thanks again. Sue Ann -------------------------------------------------------------- Sue Ann Sanders Duval Co, FL GenWeb Coordinator sasanders@wisc-dtp.com http://www.rootsweb.com/~flduval Rootsweb Sponsor SANDERS, PHILLIPS, COPELAND, WALL --------------------------------------------------------------

Well, I believe the Cummer Co. may have started in Ontario. They were for sure in Michigan (Cadillac) and in the Jax area. Actually, I believe they had several offices throughout FL. At one time, I had at least 4 relatives (all Phillips') working there. They all lived in a town called Milldale. I have a Wedding Announcement posted in the Bios section of the Duval pages here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Fl/DuvalBios?read=2 Here's a quote from it regarding Milldale: "There was no reception at the bride¹s home, because of the very long distance out to Milldale, the pretty little Cummer¹s mill settlement, where all of the participants live." This was from 1905 I also did a search on the internet once and the Cummer name came up a lot. They talk about Cummer closing in Cadillac MI but I couldn't find any info on what happened in FL. Here's some of the info I found (this all came from different websites).... HAMILTON, ONTARIO The Cummers owned houses in Waterdown CADILLAC, MI The first sawmill was built by a Mr. Yale in the fall of 1871, the site being nearly the same as that now occupied by what is designated as Cobbs and Mitchell's little mill. It would be impossible to give in detail the vast lumbering operations that have been built up and still largely sustain the thriving city by the lake. For nearly thirty-two years, summer and winter, and many times day and night, has the work gone on. Some idea may be formed of the vast proportions of this business from a present description of some of the mills. For years the Cummer interest ran two mills, cutting from two hundred thousand to two hundred and fifty thousand feet of lumber per day. Two years ago one of these mills ceased doing business, for the reason that the pine timber had become exhausted. The other mill runs on hardwood and hemlock, cutting about sixty thousand feet of the former or one hundred and thirty feet of the latter per day. PASCO CO, FL Most of the communities of the 1880's and 1890's disappeared when the virgin pine forests were cut down or after the "great freeze" of 1895, which severely damaged the citrus industry in the area. Tobacco became a principal crop for a period of around twenty years following the "great freeze". The pine lumber and turpentine industries developed more slowly and after 1923, centered around the Cummer Company in Lacoochee, a major employer in the area until the 1960's. Both pine and cypress are still being logged in Pasco County. Sue Ann >In a message dated 3/27/99 10:56:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, sasanders@wisc- >dtp.com writes: > ><< Cummer Lumber Company >> >I just started researching this project and would like to know about the >Cummer Lumber Co. Where was it located ? >Betty -------------------------------------------------------------- Sue Ann Sanders Duval Co, FL GenWeb Coordinator sasanders@wisc-dtp.com http://www.rootsweb.com/~flduval Rootsweb Sponsor SANDERS, PHILLIPS, COPELAND, WALL --------------------------------------------------------------

I don't know if this is old news and new news; however, it was new news to be so I decided to share with everyone. This is from an article that is in the Ft Walton Beach Daily News, 28 March 1999, by Tracy Wenzel Conner (Daily News Business Editor): "The name of Spyder Graphics Inc's Web site, passedaway.com, gives a pretty big hint as to the nature of the business. "The company, based in Janesville, Wis, publishes online obituaries. "Listings stay posted for about 30 days and are accessible to anyone with an Internet connection. "For people who have friends and relatives all over the place, it's an ideal way to honor a loved one's memory, says R Dale Moore, Spyder Graphics Inc's chief executive officer. ""The pages are designed to bring our mobile society together," Moore explains. "It's just a wonderful way to communicate with family and friends and pull them together." "The online obits are not designed to replace newspaper obituaries. "But, Moor says, death notices posted on passedaway.com have the potential of reaching a much large audience that your average daily newspaper. ""Many of the people who line in Fort Walton Beach would have relatives (scattered) around the country," he points out. "You wouldn't be able to put an obit in every one of the newspapers" in every one of the towns. "The idea was born when Mark F Meacham, who is president of Spyder Graphics, lost his grandmother. ""I printed fliers for by grandmother's funeral and thought, 'Well gee, I could put this online,'" he recalls. "According to the research Meacham and Moore have done, baby boomers are using the Internet in growing numbers. "They are growing older and more mobile, says Moore, who contends that "It is a natural extension of this to have your obituary online." "Like most newspapers, Spyder Graphics accepts obituaries only from funeral directors. "That failsafe is to guard against fraud and hoaxes. "Online obits cost anywhere from $15 to $50, depending on their length. The price includes one color photograph. "In addition, Spyder Graphics can put together an electronic picture board -- photographs of the deceased in different phases of life -- for an additional charge. "The company also publishes tributes on the anniversary of people's deaths, on their birthday or on other special days. ""We're finding that there's a real need for families to do something in remembrance," Moore says. "An anniversary is coming up or their birthday and they want to do something for them." "Moore says some of the company's clients buy the online obituaries as a gift to the family, in lieu of flowers. "Funeral directors have been accommodating so far, he says. ""We've only had one funeral director object," Moore reports. "He just couldn't understand why there was a need for this kind of thing at all." "At a family behest, a funeral director can fax an obit to 608-758-2816, e- mail it to passedaway@passedaway.com of Federal Express it to PO Box 1858, Janesville, WI, 53547-1858. "People who read the obits electronically will be able to immediately e-mail their condolences to the family." I realize that this is a little bit long, but I thought that this information was worthwhile to get out to as many people as possible. Cathy Strickland Popp Co-Coordinator, Holmes County FLGENWeb

Listers: I bought a 1969 Ft. Myers City Directory for $10.00 in antique store; will do look ups. MaisieAnn@aol.com

Would some some please look on the Fl. death index for death dates of : Fletcher Williams born in Al. @ 1823 Hannah Williams born @ in Ga. about 1839 Wilson C. Williams born Ga. @1803-4 Fletcher Williams born Fl. @1870-71 James Williams born Fl. @ 1876-77 Walter william born Fl. @ 1870-71 Any help greatly appreciated. I am a long way from Florida. Bobbye

manumission ..........These were papers the enslaved received when they were freed by their owner either by deed or if the enslaved purchased his/her freedom. Betty