Geoffrey... Talk about serendipity! I didn't think to ask about it in the particular message you responded to, but I have been trying to discover what and where Pope's was and have been asking around. I saw the signature... and figure that he probably also had a store or "trading post". Could you tell me exactly where (in today's terms) your 2-great grandfather's home was...? It's not that I particularly expect that you can... but I can always hope. <G> RW Geoffrey Pope wrote: > Dear Richard and Friends: > The "Pope's Fayette County" Treaty with the Apalachicola rang a bell, as > Fayette County was of course a short-lived carve-out most of which was and > is in present-day Jackson County, and my second great-grandfather, William > Stuart Pope 1789-1837, lived there. > > This treaty was done at "Pope's in Fayette County" and, sure enough, Wm. S. > Pope signed the treaty and is designated as "sub-agent." (Thanks, Richard, > for the URL to the treaty texts). > > William and wife Harriet Scurlock were amongst the earliest settlers in > Jackson/Gadsden in 1820, their descendants occupy a good part of the Pope > Cemetery nr. Sneads, and I am curious regarding William's activities in > respect of the Native Americans, and also the possible cause of his death in > 1837 age only about 48. > > Anyone that can illuminate either of these issues, or has any other info > regarding William, is asked to kindly share it with me. > > My line, by the way, is Samuel I Pope d. Craven Co. NC 1758 and wife Sarah; > Samuel II Pope b. Craven Co. 1752? d. Barnwell Dist. SC 1818 and wife > Margaret 1765?-d. Savannah 1819; William (I) Stuart and Harriet; William > Samuel 1824-1904 and Mary Rowe 1841-1882 d/o Stephen Hiram Rowe and Nancy > Bird; William (II) Stuart 1864-1949 and Macy Ivester from Habersham Co., GA > 1892-1953; William (III) Pope b. Sneads 1922, my father, m. Ann Waid > 1926-1986 from PA which is why I live Up Nawth. > > Best wishes. > > Geoffrey Pope > White Plains, NY > > al Message ----- > From: "Richard White" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 1:30 PM > Subject: Re: [FLJACKSO] Choconeola Reservation > > > > June... > > > > I will do MUCH better than giving you treaty dates... > > > > Here is an URL from which you can read the entire text of all of these > > treaties... actually all US treaties with Native Americans: > > http://www.councilfire.com/treaty/index.html > > > > Just remember that the first one, Moultrie Creek, was in essence revoked > by > > the other three that I named: Tallahassee, Pope's Fayette County, and > Payne's > > Landing. > > > > As to still residing on the Reservations (there were 4 reservations set > > aside... 1 of which was I believe essentially forfeited by Neamathla after > he > > plotted to kill Governor DuVal and destroy Tallahassee)... No. The > > Reservations were gone. The Creeks living on them were supposedly Removed > to > > Texas (then a part of Mexico) in 1834 or to Arkansas Territory, now the > state > > of Oklahoma)... and were reclassified as Seminoles by the government in > the > > process. But oral history and some written history indicates that some > never > > left and that others came back to the Apalachicola/Chattahoochee River > area. > > Many folks living in the area still today, or coming from the area, know > of > > their Creek ancestry and have a living tradition as Creeks going > continuously > > back to these times and before. But others... and I think that my Hair(e) > > family was one... forfeited their Creek culture and history in an attempt > to > > pass as White. In doing this, they didn't do it just because they up and > > wanted to... but because it was illegal to be Creeks or Seminoles living > in > > Florida (or Georgia) and because they were liable to have their property > > confiscated and themselves perhaps even physically branded and definitely > > shipped to Indian Territory. There were advertisements in the newspapers > as > > late as the 1860s, and the laws were still on the books into the mid-20th > > century. > > > > I don't know how anyone else feels about that, but I consider it to be a > > tragedy in and among and capping many other tragedies going back over a > > long-long period time, in the history of the Native Americans of the > > Southeast. > > > > RW > > > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 11/6/01 10:01:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > > [email protected] writes: > > > > > > << hese Reservations were > > > later revoked by the treaties of Tallahassee, Pope's Fayette County, > and > > > Payne's Landing. >> > > > > > > Very interesting and could someone pls post the dates of the revocation > of > > > these treaties and IF any native americians continued to reside on this > > > reservation til the 1900's. Thanks, June.