June... I will do MUCH better than giving you treaty dates... Here is an URL from which you can read the entire text of all of these treaties... actually all US treaties with Native Americans: http://www.councilfire.com/treaty/index.html Just remember that the first one, Moultrie Creek, was in essence revoked by the other three that I named: Tallahassee, Pope's Fayette County, and Payne's Landing. As to still residing on the Reservations (there were 4 reservations set aside... 1 of which was I believe essentially forfeited by Neamathla after he plotted to kill Governor DuVal and destroy Tallahassee)... No. The Reservations were gone. The Creeks living on them were supposedly Removed to Texas (then a part of Mexico) in 1834 or to Arkansas Territory, now the state of Oklahoma)... and were reclassified as Seminoles by the government in the process. But oral history and some written history indicates that some never left and that others came back to the Apalachicola/Chattahoochee River area. Many folks living in the area still today, or coming from the area, know of their Creek ancestry and have a living tradition as Creeks going continuously back to these times and before. But others... and I think that my Hair(e) family was one... forfeited their Creek culture and history in an attempt to pass as White. In doing this, they didn't do it just because they up and wanted to... but because it was illegal to be Creeks or Seminoles living in Florida (or Georgia) and because they were liable to have their property confiscated and themselves perhaps even physically branded and definitely shipped to Indian Territory. There were advertisements in the newspapers as late as the 1860s, and the laws were still on the books into the mid-20th century. I don't know how anyone else feels about that, but I consider it to be a tragedy in and among and capping many other tragedies going back over a long-long period time, in the history of the Native Americans of the Southeast. RW [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 11/6/01 10:01:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > << hese Reservations were > later revoked by the treaties of Tallahassee, Pope's Fayette County, and > Payne's Landing. >> > > Very interesting and could someone pls post the dates of the revocation of > these treaties and IF any native americians continued to reside on this > reservation til the 1900's. Thanks, June.

Dear Richard and Friends: The "Pope's Fayette County" Treaty with the Apalachicola rang a bell, as Fayette County was of course a short-lived carve-out most of which was and is in present-day Jackson County, and my second great-grandfather, William Stuart Pope 1789-1837, lived there. This treaty was done at "Pope's in Fayette County" and, sure enough, Wm. S. Pope signed the treaty and is designated as "sub-agent." (Thanks, Richard, for the URL to the treaty texts). William and wife Harriet Scurlock were amongst the earliest settlers in Jackson/Gadsden in 1820, their descendants occupy a good part of the Pope Cemetery nr. Sneads, and I am curious regarding William's activities in respect of the Native Americans, and also the possible cause of his death in 1837 age only about 48. Anyone that can illuminate either of these issues, or has any other info regarding William, is asked to kindly share it with me. My line, by the way, is Samuel I Pope d. Craven Co. NC 1758 and wife Sarah; Samuel II Pope b. Craven Co. 1752? d. Barnwell Dist. SC 1818 and wife Margaret 1765?-d. Savannah 1819; William (I) Stuart and Harriet; William Samuel 1824-1904 and Mary Rowe 1841-1882 d/o Stephen Hiram Rowe and Nancy Bird; William (II) Stuart 1864-1949 and Macy Ivester from Habersham Co., GA 1892-1953; William (III) Pope b. Sneads 1922, my father, m. Ann Waid 1926-1986 from PA which is why I live Up Nawth. Best wishes. Geoffrey Pope White Plains, NY al Message ----- From: "Richard White" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [FLJACKSO] Choconeola Reservation > > June... > > I will do MUCH better than giving you treaty dates... > > Here is an URL from which you can read the entire text of all of these > treaties... actually all US treaties with Native Americans: > http://www.councilfire.com/treaty/index.html > > Just remember that the first one, Moultrie Creek, was in essence revoked by > the other three that I named: Tallahassee, Pope's Fayette County, and Payne's > Landing. > > As to still residing on the Reservations (there were 4 reservations set > aside... 1 of which was I believe essentially forfeited by Neamathla after he > plotted to kill Governor DuVal and destroy Tallahassee)... No. The > Reservations were gone. The Creeks living on them were supposedly Removed to > Texas (then a part of Mexico) in 1834 or to Arkansas Territory, now the state > of Oklahoma)... and were reclassified as Seminoles by the government in the > process. But oral history and some written history indicates that some never > left and that others came back to the Apalachicola/Chattahoochee River area. > Many folks living in the area still today, or coming from the area, know of > their Creek ancestry and have a living tradition as Creeks going continuously > back to these times and before. But others... and I think that my Hair(e) > family was one... forfeited their Creek culture and history in an attempt to > pass as White. In doing this, they didn't do it just because they up and > wanted to... but because it was illegal to be Creeks or Seminoles living in > Florida (or Georgia) and because they were liable to have their property > confiscated and themselves perhaps even physically branded and definitely > shipped to Indian Territory. There were advertisements in the newspapers as > late as the 1860s, and the laws were still on the books into the mid-20th > century. > > I don't know how anyone else feels about that, but I consider it to be a > tragedy in and among and capping many other tragedies going back over a > long-long period time, in the history of the Native Americans of the > Southeast. > > RW > > [email protected] wrote: > > > In a message dated 11/6/01 10:01:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > << hese Reservations were > > later revoked by the treaties of Tallahassee, Pope's Fayette County, and > > Payne's Landing. >> > > > > Very interesting and could someone pls post the dates of the revocation of > > these treaties and IF any native americians continued to reside on this > > reservation til the 1900's. Thanks, June. > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 >