A question, Dale: Was the pilot in question U.S. or Chinese? I understand that a goodly number of Nationalist Chinese pilots were trained at Dale Mabry Field in Tallahassee. Some of my roommates at FSU in the late 1960s were ROTC cadet officers. They used 1940s reports of a downed training aircraft the crash site of which was not located then, and recovered the remains of a Nationalist Chinese pilot. I believe that the crash site was in Wakulla County... but it might have been southern Leon County... I wish that I had paid more attention back then. These same guys had something to do with getting the battle streamer for FSU ROTC units. RW DNDothan@cs.com wrote: >I am trying to find the location of a 1944 military plane crash that happened in or near Two Egg. Does anyone know anything about this? > >It was a training aircraft that struck a tree when the pilots where buzzing local homes for practice. The nephew of one of the men killed is trying to find the location so he can visit the place this fall. > >If anyone has any memories or has heard anything about this, please drop me a line. > >Thanks, >Dale Cox >

Hi! Were you able to find that data about the vigilante lynching where Billy Bazzell was murdered by that dude abt 1860? Cuz. ----- Original Message ----- From: <DNDothan@cs.com> To: <fljackso@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: [FLJACKSO] 1944 Two Egg Plane Crash > I am trying to find the location of a 1944 military plane crash that happened in or near Two Egg. Does anyone know anything about this? > > It was a training aircraft that struck a tree when the pilots where buzzing local homes for practice. The nephew of one of the men killed is trying to find the location so he can visit the place this fall. > > If anyone has any memories or has heard anything about this, please drop me a line. > > Thanks, > Dale Cox > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FLJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I believe you will find mention of it in an old Dothan Eagle. Those files are in Genealogy.Com, historical newspapers. Some of them have been listed on Houston Co web site for past few months. Do remember one crash from there mentioned, but not sure if it was Two Egg. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

I am trying to find the location of a 1944 military plane crash that happened in or near Two Egg. Does anyone know anything about this? It was a training aircraft that struck a tree when the pilots where buzzing local homes for practice. The nephew of one of the men killed is trying to find the location so he can visit the place this fall. If anyone has any memories or has heard anything about this, please drop me a line. Thanks, Dale Cox

Cindy, I ordered one of those SS-5's in 1996. It gives the person's name & address at the time of the application; employer's name & address, age and date and place of birth of applicant; father's name; mother's maiden name; sex; color; date of employment; if a card like this has been filled out before; date signed and has the applicant's signature. I suppose the value of it depends upon whether or not one already has that information. Cynthia

This is most helpful, thank you very much. This seems to be what I am looking for....... Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Dean" <cgdean@bellsouth.net> To: <fljackso@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [FLJACKSO] Shouppe family > Sylvia, > Do you have access to the census records? I have some notes that show > a John C. Shouppe in the 1900 census (p. 208 b.) of Jackson Co. FL, b. > c1881. Son of John Shouppe (b. 1849) and Roxy A. [Wells] (b. 1861, who > were married 20 Apr. 1886 in Jack. Co. Book F, p. 284.) > > Children shown for John and Roxy: > John C. 19 > Jeff D. 17 > Erasmus 15 > Wesley 13 > Lewis 11 > Marvin 8 > James 6 > Vassey 4 [b. 1895. m. Lee Ferney Barrentine. He's a Jarman > descendant, which he > why I suppose I have this.] > Nora 2 > Wheeler 1 > > In 1910, John C. Schoupp's wife is called Ola (b. 1885) with children > Beatrice, Ruth and Loyd, so I would look at the Isaac M. Toole family > of 1900 with a daughter Ola b. 1885. > > Cynthia > > John C. Shouppe married Viola Toole in 1902 in Jackson county, and they > had ten children, of which two still remain. > If anyone has any information on John or Viola parents, brothers and > sisters, > I would be most interested. > My private email address is: raamses@cfl.rr.com. > thank you, Sylvia > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FLJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sylvia, Do you have access to the census records? I have some notes that show a John C. Shouppe in the 1900 census (p. 208 b.) of Jackson Co. FL, b. c1881. Son of John Shouppe (b. 1849) and Roxy A. [Wells] (b. 1861, who were married 20 Apr. 1886 in Jack. Co. Book F, p. 284.) Children shown for John and Roxy: John C. 19 Jeff D. 17 Erasmus 15 Wesley 13 Lewis 11 Marvin 8 James 6 Vassey 4 [b. 1895. m. Lee Ferney Barrentine. He's a Jarman descendant, which he why I suppose I have this.] Nora 2 Wheeler 1 In 1910, John C. Schoupp's wife is called Ola (b. 1885) with children Beatrice, Ruth and Loyd, so I would look at the Isaac M. Toole family of 1900 with a daughter Ola b. 1885. Cynthia John C. Shouppe married Viola Toole in 1902 in Jackson county, and they had ten children, of which two still remain. If anyone has any information on John or Viola parents, brothers and sisters, I would be most interested. My private email address is: raamses@cfl.rr.com. thank you, Sylvia

John C. Shouppe married Viola Toole in 1902 in Jackson county, and they had ten children, of which two still remain. If anyone has any information on John or Viola parents, brothers and sisters, I would be most interested. My private email address is: raamses@cfl.rr.com. thank you, Sylvia

My boyfriend has a John Allen in his genealogy, may not be the same John , his email is BagleyCherokee@aol.com. -----Original Message----- From: Julia Cadenhead <guragaith@cox.net> To: FLJACKSO@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:18 am Subject: [FLJACKSO] Harvard/Habbard/Harbed Looking for members of this family ca 1900 or later. Possible first names are Patsy, John, Allen. Trying to connect Miss Tish Ann Habbard of Portland, FL with family members. Her parents may have been Henry Brown and Sarah J. Harvard Brown. Any help will be appreciated. Judy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FLJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Looking for members of this family ca 1900 or later. Possible first names are Patsy, John, Allen. Trying to connect Miss Tish Ann Habbard of Portland, FL with family members. Her parents may have been Henry Brown and Sarah J. Harvard Brown. Any help will be appreciated. Judy

Hello fellow genealogists, Since getting active with research again, I thought I'd pass along a little bit of information that might be interesting to everyone. Has anyone had success with the social security death index as a resource tool? Has anyone ever ordered a SS-5 (social security number application)? Well, I was met with "sticker shock" when I looked tonight - the cost is now $27.50! ouch! The last SS-5 I ordered a few years ago was a whopping $7.50, and I thought that was pricey compared to the $5 for a Florida Death Certificate. Anyway, I found a couple of web sites that some of you might find interesting: _http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html_ (http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html) _http://www.socialsecurity.gov/employer/stateweb.htm_ (http://www.socialsecurity.gov/employer/stateweb.htm) Happy researching! Cindy ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Ron, Thank you for the information. I have utilized some of the 1935 and 1945 census records - both have been very helpful. I do admit that all I have seen of the 1935 census has been quite difficult to read since it is filmed in negative format. I posted my question to the Jackson County list because I've taken some time away from genealogy (frankly, I had burned out for a while) and since returning to the "hot pursuit" of those "pesky, secretive ancestors and elusive kinfolk", I wondered if someone had seen a 1955 Florida census. A few years ago, I remembered there being a 72-year privacy law regarding the release of Federal Census enumerations, and 50-year privacy for Florida state census records. Doing the math, I figured that perhaps during my "hiatus" I had missed the release of the 1955 census. Our group on this discussion list has always proved to be well-informed and most-helpful. The last few times I had ventured to the State Archives I did find the staff not as helpful as in years past. One area, for instance, I am researching is Broward County - there are no county records for Broward at the State Archives. No one has been able to tell me why those are absent or if those will ever be obtained for that repository. I had never seen anything that might exist for the 1867 and 1875 Florida census enumerations. Has anyone else? According to the document I saw on a roll of 1935 census film, "Portions of the 1885, 1867, and 1875 censuses were filed with the Secretary of State." I would love to see what exists of censuses for 1867 and 1875. You all know what they say about curiosity! <grin> Cindy <meow> In a message dated 8/12/2007 2:03:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, skipper@satx.rr.com writes: Hello, I have some information on what is available from the Florida State Census on one of my web pages. First let me mention that there was no 1955 census. The state abolished the census in 1949. Not much survives but two of the really good ones are the 1935 and 1945. Unlike the federal government there is no 72 year waiting period and these can be viewed now. The information on the web page came from the State Archives site but appears to no longer be available there. The microfilm is available there and possibly elsewhere. < http://www.psy.fsu.edu/~thompson/info/fl_census.html > Ron ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Hello, I have some information on what is available from the Florida State Census on one of my web pages. First let me mention that there was no 1955 census. The state abolished the census in 1949. Not much survives but two of the really good ones are the 1935 and 1945. Unlike the federal government there is no 72 year waiting period and these can be viewed now. The information on the web page came from the State Archives site but appears to no longer be available there. The microfilm is available there and possibly elsewhere. < http://www.psy.fsu.edu/~thompson/info/fl_census.html > Ron Wakulla County FL < http://mailer.fsu.edu/~rthompso/wakulla.html > Franklin County, FL < http://mailer.fsu.edu/~rthompso/franklin.html > Florida US Civil War Genealogy < http://www.psy.fsu.edu/~thompson/fl_acw/fl_acw.html > Copied this from http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/FLORIDA/1998-12/0912686162. Hope this helps. GW Skipper -----Original Message----- From: fljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fljackso-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of SeaGee69@aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 6:46 PM To: FLJACKSO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [FLJACKSO] Census Information After a fruitless trip to the State Archives in Tallahassee today, I did find an answer to my question about the 1955 Florida census. According to the Florida State Archives (as printed in the beginning of the 1935 census): "The first state census was authorized by the Constitution of 1838 (Article 9, Sections 1, 2) to commence in 1845 and to be continued at ten year intervals...Each of the succeeding constitutions, 1861, 1865 (provided for an 1867 census), 1868, and 1885, provided for the call for a census to the Legislature, who in turn, by individual acts, delegated the enumerations responsibilities to the Secretary of State and the Commissioner of Agriculture, with the latter carrying out the majority of the work. In 1949, the 1885 Constitution was amended (Article 7, section 5) to make the Federal census and the state census one in the same. Very few of the earlier census records have been located. Portions of the 1885, 1867 and 1875 censuses were filed with the Secretary of State. In some instances census enumerations, which were carried out on the county level, were kept with the counties. In April of 1935, the Legislature passed an act (Chapter 17269, Fla. Laws) to provide for the taking of the population census of the State of Florida for the year 1935.... The census records are arranged alphabetically by county and then geographically by election precinct...." I do know there is a 1945 census for Florida but am uncertain about a 1955. Anyone??? Thanks, Cindy ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FLJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You're right again! I've found this discussion group to be an excellent source of information from a wide variety of mostly valid sources. The people I've heard from are genuinely interested in the topics. I'm glad to see you realize the value of the subscribers to this list. Regards, Stephanie ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Well, I reckon that those of you who find asking the people who know to be too troublesome could always just keep asking one another. That appears to have been really productive so far. Jack Butler ----- Original Message ----- From: <WNCSteph@aol.com> To: <fljackso@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [FLJACKSO] Census Information > Of course you are right. Everyone knows government employees are most > helpful and efficient! :-) > > Regards, > Stephanie > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FLJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Of course you are right. Everyone knows government employees are most helpful and efficient! :-) Regards, Stephanie ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

No offense, folks, but this isn't brain surgery. Yes, the Archives uses interns and student assistants who might not know about all of the contents housed by the Archives. Indeed, even the professional archivists cannot be expected to know about all available resources off the tops of their heads. The trick, of course, is when you get an "I don't know" answer is to ask whomever you are talking to to check with people who would know. Answers are available - the place exists to provide answers. Jack Butler ----- Original Message ----- From: <WNCSteph@aol.com> To: <fljackso@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [FLJACKSO] Census Information > "I still say that if a 1955 Census occurred, the State Archives would know > about it." > ********* > It depends on who you ask at the archives. One time I asked about the > State > Census and the person behind the counter had no idea that any existed at > all. > > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FLJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

"I still say that if a 1955 Census occurred, the State Archives would know about it." ********* It depends on who you ask at the archives. One time I asked about the State Census and the person behind the counter had no idea that any existed at all. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Yeah, I did a typo - the meaning remains the same. Jack Butler ----- Original Message ----- From: <SeaGee69@aol.com> To: <fljackso@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 12:59 AM Subject: Re: [FLJACKSO] Census Information > > In a message dated 8/11/2007 7:09:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > jackvbutler@comcast.net writes: > > If they could not tell you at the State Archives whether or not a 1945 > census exists, I would bet against there being one. > > Jack Butler > > > > The 1945 does exist.... I was questioning a 1955. > > Cindy > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FLJACKSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 8/11/2007 7:09:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jackvbutler@comcast.net writes: If they could not tell you at the State Archives whether or not a 1945 census exists, I would bet against there being one. Jack Butler The 1945 does exist.... I was questioning a 1955. Cindy ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour